Senator Olympia Snowe from Maine says she will vote for the "Baucus Bill".
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33290417/ns/politics-health_care_reform/
QuoteWASHINGTON - A Republican senator says she will vote for a Democratic health care bill, breaking with her party on President Barack Obama's top legislative item.
Sen. Olympia Snowe kept virtually all of Washington guessing how she would vote until she announced it late in the Senate Finance Committee debate Tuesday. Until then, she told reporters, she had not even let Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, a Democrat, in on her secret.
She told her colleagues: "When history calls, history calls" even though she had some criticism of the bill.
Too bad so much of the farm had to be given away for this one vote.
Love it.
Olympia Snowe is great. She is the arch-traitor, if you listen to Limbaugh, Hannity, and that little freak Beck.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 13, 2009, 06:35:40 PM
Love it.
Olympia Snowe is great. She is the arch-traitor, if you listen to Limbaugh, Hannity, and that little RAPIST* Beck.
*Allegedly.
And here's what Fox News readers have to say about Snowe:
QuoteOlympia Snowe how can this B@#$%RTGHE%TU be called a republican?! This is the clearly the most left wing bs in the history of this country. What a spineless pig I use to like Maine now I do not. ALL YOUR FAULT SNOWE FLAKE
QuoteOlympia Snowe... YOU ARE HISTORY. Please start packing your stuff and head back to Main. I am so disappointed. GOD BLESS AMERICA
QuoteSenator Snowe, Just join Spector on the other side of the aisle. You would be more honest than pretending to be something other than a big government Democrat.
QuoteOlympia Snowe is a disgrace and embarrassment to the Republican Party and the FREE people of America. She is a fascist in a GOP mask. My friends, how can you get free market from a fascist? Simply put, you cannot!
QuoteIt's quite clear by now... Olympia Snowe votes repeatedly (that means over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again) if not always with Senate Democrats. So, once the Republicans up there in Maine realize that THEIR voting for Olympia Snowe is really a vote for Democrats and Democratic policies, then and only then will THEIR vote actually mean something.
Umm, no dumbass! Maine is a centrist state. A right-winger will get clobbered running against Snowe in a primary. Just as all of the lefties who run against her in the general electino get their asses handed to them. Read up a little more on Maine politics.
Snowe is going to get purged.
One way or another. Nothing less than complete ideological purity, comrades fellow Real Americans.
Someone want to tell me why anyone should give a fuck about how Snowe votes on this? No offense, I'm sure she is a fine lady, but did the Democrats somehow forget that they have 60 senators on their side?
Quote from: Iason Ouabache on October 13, 2009, 08:13:34 PM
Someone want to tell me why anyone should give a fuck about how Snowe votes on this? No offense, I'm sure she is a fine lady, but did the Democrats somehow forget that they have 60 senators on their side?
The dems got addicted to kissing GOP ass.
Quote from: Iason Ouabache on October 13, 2009, 08:13:34 PM
Someone want to tell me why anyone should give a fuck about how Snowe votes on this? No offense, I'm sure she is a fine lady, but did the Democrats somehow forget that they have 60 senators on their side?
Some Blue Dogs won't vote the party line, probably.
Dunno about the Senate, but in the house whats his face from Utah (our only democrat), is refusing healthcare reform.
Hatch would probably support a single payer system, but only if it included no reforms meant to combat price. His loyalty to big pharma beats everything else.
Isn't the Baucus Bill the "pay for insurance or go to prison" bill anyway?
Heavily fined, but yeah.
And if you can't pay that fine....?
Because lets face it, there is a correlation between people without money, people without health insurance and people hit hardest in a recession.
Not that I'm defending the bill, but there are subsidies for certain income levels, with that in mind.
It will be very interesting to see what will happen around tax season if this passes. I'm sure the news cycle will have a freaking anurysm.
Only 5% of Americans will qualify for the subsidy to my understanding. Given that much more than 5% have no income at all...
Quote from: LMNO on October 13, 2009, 08:40:52 PM
Not that I'm defending the bill, but there are subsidies for certain income levels, with that in mind.
Not the point.
Quote from: Requia ☣ on October 13, 2009, 08:41:56 PM
Only 5% of Americans will qualify for the subsidy to my understanding. Given that much more than 5% have no income at all...
Where did you get that stat? It's an interesting one.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 13, 2009, 08:44:05 PM
Quote from: LMNO on October 13, 2009, 08:40:52 PM
Not that I'm defending the bill, but there are subsidies for certain income levels, with that in mind.
Not the point.
Agreed. Like I said, I'm not defending it.
Quote from: LMNO on October 13, 2009, 08:45:32 PM
Quote from: Requia ☣ on October 13, 2009, 08:41:56 PM
Only 5% of Americans will qualify for the subsidy to my understanding. Given that much more than 5% have no income at all...
Where did you get that stat? It's an interesting one.
NPR. (This may also have changed, Whenever I really dig in and follow a bill I always see people ranting about problems with early versions).
Hmm. I wonder if there's a way to get my hands on the bill that just passed.
Quote from: Requia ☣ on October 13, 2009, 08:53:06 PM
Quote from: LMNO on October 13, 2009, 08:45:32 PM
Quote from: Requia ☣ on October 13, 2009, 08:41:56 PM
Only 5% of Americans will qualify for the subsidy to my understanding. Given that much more than 5% have no income at all...
Where did you get that stat? It's an interesting one.
NPR. (This may also have changed, Whenever I really dig in and follow a bill I always see people ranting about problems with early versions).
Look here.
http://www.census.gov/prod/2008pubs/p60-235.pdf
This health care bill is shit.
Quote from: Kai on October 13, 2009, 09:24:10 PM
This health care bill is shit.
:lulz:
Grab yer ankles, America.
:lulz:
Quote from: LMNO on October 13, 2009, 08:59:37 PM
Hmm. I wonder if there's a way to get my hands on the bill that just passed.
Every bill goes up on Thomas: http://thomas.loc.gov/
Quote from: LMNO on October 13, 2009, 08:45:32 PM
Quote from: Requia ☣ on October 13, 2009, 08:41:56 PM
Only 5% of Americans will qualify for the subsidy to my understanding. Given that much more than 5% have no income at all...
Where did you get that stat? It's an interesting one.
I heard it from Obama's mouth.. can't remember which speech, but it was about a month ago.
Now Susan Collins is signaling, though with more caveats, that she might be able to support the bill:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33308113/ns/politics-health_care_reform/
There must be some polling here in Maine that is making these two open to the bills. Or, they really hate the rest of their party and want to fuck with them. I would like to think it's a little of both but who knows.
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on October 14, 2009, 05:22:44 PM
Now Susan Collins is signaling, though with more caveats, that she might be able to support the bill:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33308113/ns/politics-health_care_reform/
There must be some polling here in Maine that is making these two open to the bills. Or, they really hate the rest of their party and want to fuck with them. I would like to think it's a little of both but who knows.
Olympia Snowe is a towering colossus that brooks no shit, particularly from republican swine that think she isn't ideologically "pure" enough.
Good on her.
YES.
Too bad the bill is such a piece of shit.
Yet another way the dems can be attacked. "We didn't let you pass what you wanted, and now that it's imperfect, we're going to complain about it."
Not only that, but they didn't need Snowe's vote to get it through--she just made the odds look better--14 to 9 vs 13 to 10. :|
Not to mention the blatantly laughable "bi-partisan" label.
Yeah, the bill's a total joke. Which message I hope gets through. Though my increasingly jaded mindset says "even if it does it won't make much difference."
Quote from: LMNO on October 15, 2009, 07:38:15 PM
Not to mention the blatantly laughable "bi-partisan" label.
The Dems are such pussies. :lulz:
Who the hell can anyone turn to anymore? The Republicans don't give a shit about anyone else and the Dems fold up like a cheap card table. And Obama almost feels like he's the Steward of America, not President. Like he's a placeholder or something. Jesus, this whole thing sucks!