Last night, my friend decided that my dozing off on the common area couch was not acceptable, seeing as the night was still very young. She retreated into her room and returned with a small chocolate-coated candy that contained the same amount of caffeine as two normal cups of coffee. Now, normally I'm not dumb enough to let my self-destructive impulses direct me to consume caffeine in the evening when I have class the next morning, but something about this friend brings out the worst in me.
Within fifteen minutes, I had bolted out of the building and climbed into a tree, jittering in quiet reflection of what an incredibly bad idea it was to eat that stupid candy. When they finally found me, she directed me to eat not one, not two, but THREE more of these infernal caffeine bombs. I don't recall a time when I have ever consumed more than four cups of coffee in a day, and now I've just had twice that much in the span of half an hour.
I spend the next hour or so jumping about the common area, providing entertainment as the drugged chimpanzee for my awful friends. After climbing on the pipes that line the ceiling ceased to be sufficient distraction, I attempted to hide in my armoire, insisting that there were leprechauns out there who wanted to eat my spleen. Of course I didn't really think that, so much as I was trying to convince them that I was in no fit state to interact with my fellow humans and should be allowed to twitch in peace. I was dragged out against my will and told to go bother a friend of mine across the hall who was trying to do a project for his biology class. I attempted to resist, but repeated insistence overcame what paltry defense I had against bad ideas. Also, it seemed like a funny thing to do at the time.
Now, my friend across the hall very quickly picked up on the fact that I was in a bad way, and placated me for a full five mintues by playing "The Sinister Minister" on YouTube on his computer while he spoke with my caffeine-pushing friend about what the fuck she had done to me. Once these five mintutes had passed, something snapped. I removed my shirt, took off my shoes and put them on my hands. I then burst out of the room into the common area, my bare torso and arms covered in bright red welts from the previous day's paintball antics, screaming "WHERE IS YOUR RELIGION NOW?! I AM YOUR GOD, AND THE WORLD IS MY CHURCH!" I graced their sinful, filthy beings with the cleansing touch of my divinely imbued hand-shoes before curling up in the fetal position on the floor, contented with my work.
When I finally was able to rise and walk about again, the friend I had come to disturb from his work said to the caffiene pusher, "Now is an appropriate time." The caffeine pusher nodded, looked me in the face, and she told me there was no caffeine in those candies.
I have never been so happy in my entire life.
:lulz:
It's SCIENCE, bitches.
DO NEVAR fuck with the placebo effect. It opens your brain to Roger's mind control rays.
That, or I actually had that much crazy in my brain already, just waiting for an excuse to go out and play.
I kind of wanted to ask that girl to marry me right then and there when she told me. I don't know if I will ever be jaked that beautifully ever again.
Wow :lulz:
- You're doing it right.
- The power was within you all along.
- Punish your friend.
Quote from: Richter on October 26, 2009, 04:06:29 PM
Wow :lulz:
- You're doing it right.
- The power was within you all along.
- Punish your friend.
That was your 7000th post, so I must accept that it is all Truth. But I kind of want to have her babies as much as I want to get Biblical revenge.
Knock her up. Two birds, one stone.
Quote from: Cainad on October 26, 2009, 04:03:48 PM
DO NEVAR fuck with the placebo effect. It opens your brain to Roger's mind control rays.
That, or I actually had that much crazy in my brain already, just waiting for an excuse to go out and play.
I kind of wanted to ask that girl to marry me right then and there when she told me. I don't know if I will ever be jaked that beautifully ever again.
1. I'm not responsible for that shit, Nivek is. She does that shit all the time.
2. Marry her.
:mittens:
We were discussing this last night. We could put out a vat of non-alcoholic cider and tell people that it contained Everclear, and watch as people got "drunk".
Quote from: Suu on October 26, 2009, 04:59:50 PM
We were discussing this last night. We could put out a vat of non-alcoholic cider and tell people that it contained Everclear, and watch as people got "drunk".
I've always wanted to see this happen. I wonder what would happen if you convinced people they were drunk and hopped up on caffeine at the same time.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 26, 2009, 04:32:02 PM
Quote from: Cainad on October 26, 2009, 04:03:48 PM
DO NEVAR fuck with the placebo effect. It opens your brain to Roger's mind control rays.
That, or I actually had that much crazy in my brain already, just waiting for an excuse to go out and play.
I kind of wanted to ask that girl to marry me right then and there when she told me. I don't know if I will ever be jaked that beautifully ever again.
1. I'm not responsible for that shit, Nivek is. She does that shit all the time.
2. Marry her.
Send Nivek my heartfelt appreciatioUUUUUUUUUUUUUNNNNNNNG! :mind ray:
:mittens:
I kind of wonder though, placebo seems to never really work for me. Maybe I'm just believing stuff wrong.
Quote from: Triple Zero on October 26, 2009, 09:09:10 PM
:mittens:
I kind of wonder though, placebo seems to never really work for me. Maybe I'm just believing stuff wrong.
How do you know?
well on impulse i bought a bottle of valerian pills, for stress relief, but later on i read they are really just homeopathic and don't actually do anything much except for placebo effect. but I also recently read that the placebo effect can be really strong (as Cainad just demonstrated), so I figured I'm gonna try them anyway, cause if they work I don't care if they don't work physiologically but just psychologically.
so I'm taking two every day but they don't seem to do shit.
however fuck it, the bottle was 3 euros and I'm gonna go on until it's empty.
Quote from: Triple Zero on October 26, 2009, 09:50:20 PM
well on impulse i bought a bottle of valerian pills, for stress relief, but later on i read they are really just homeopathic and don't actually do anything much except for placebo effect. but I also recently read that the placebo effect can be really strong (as Cainad just demonstrated), so I figured I'm gonna try them anyway, cause if they work I don't care if they don't work physiologically but just psychologically.
so I'm taking two every day but they don't seem to do shit.
however fuck it, the bottle was 3 euros and I'm gonna go on until it's empty.
Valerian root. LOL.
I take horse tranquilizers every fucking night and then God beats me unconscious with a hammer the size of Cleveland, and look at the shape I'm in!
TGRR,
Walking ad for Big Pharma.
Quote from: Triple Zero on October 26, 2009, 09:50:20 PM
well on impulse i bought a bottle of valerian pills, for stress relief, but later on i read they are really just homeopathic and don't actually do anything much except for placebo effect. but I also recently read that the placebo effect can be really strong (as Cainad just demonstrated), so I figured I'm gonna try them anyway, cause if they work I don't care if they don't work physiologically but just psychologically.
so I'm taking two every day but they don't seem to do shit.
however fuck it, the bottle was 3 euros and I'm gonna go on until it's empty.
AFAIK it doesn't work if you know it's a placebo; you have to be fooled. Unless, I suppose, you do some hypno-trance-psychosomatic-somatopsychic-voodoo-smokeweedandlistentoPinkFloyd mind games stuff.
Looking back, the fact that my heart rate was not through the fucking roof should have been a tip that I wasn't quite as hopped up as I thought I was, but hey.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 26, 2009, 10:01:45 PM
Valerian root. LOL.
I take horse tranquilizers every fucking night and then God beats me unconscious with a hammer the size of Cleveland, and look at the shape I'm in!
TGRR,
Walking ad for Big Pharma.
Yeah, didn't you once get phony pills and couldn't sleep because of it? Sometimes it's matter over mind, plain and simple.
:mittens:
Noone pulls the wool over your eyes quite like yourself.
Quote from: Cainad on October 26, 2009, 10:54:14 PM
Yeah, didn't you once get phony pills and couldn't sleep because of it? Sometimes it's matter over mind, plain and simple.
How does one follow the other? I couldn't sleep, so I took pills. The pills were fake, and I didn't sleep.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 27, 2009, 03:52:43 AM
Quote from: Cainad on October 26, 2009, 10:54:14 PM
Yeah, didn't you once get phony pills and couldn't sleep because of it? Sometimes it's matter over mind, plain and simple.
How does one follow the other? I couldn't sleep, so I took pills. The pills were fake, and I didn't sleep.
I think he was saying that sometimes, you really
do need medication (matter) to pimp-slap your brain (mind), and no amount of trickery will overcome that.
So, it sounds like you're both in agreement.
Quote from: Cainad on October 26, 2009, 10:54:14 PM
AFAIK it doesn't work if you know it's a placebo; you have to be fooled. Unless, I suppose, you do some hypno-trance-psychosomatic-somatopsychic-voodoo-smokeweedandlistentoPinkFloyd mind games stuff.
well that sucks then.
basically means you can't do it on your own, then?
unless you sort of mix real pills 50/50 with fake ones maybe?
Placebo effect requires both believing and wanting said drug to work, to put it bluntly. People getting high of talcum powder they're told is cocaine is a fine example of this.
With real drugs, as TGRR has often said, if you want it or not, the chemical hammer comes DOWN.
Quote from: Triple Zero on October 27, 2009, 12:32:46 PM
basically means you can't do it on your own, then?
This is pretty much the entire point of NLP, self-hypnosis, and "madjyqkuie".
It
is possible to fool yourself, but it's not easy.
Quote from: LMNO on October 27, 2009, 12:42:33 PM
Quote from: Triple Zero on October 27, 2009, 12:32:46 PM
basically means you can't do it on your own, then?
This is pretty much the entire point of NLP, self-hypnosis, and "madjyqkuie".
It is possible to fool yourself, but it's not easy.
I KNOW
SO HOW DO I THAT?
INVOKE OFTEN.
That is, tell yourself out loud three times every day, that the pills will do what they say they will. Also, tell your friends that you're taking medication to help you with your stress. Take your pills in front of them. Basically, create a superstition around them. Fetishize them. Eventually, your belief in them will slip under the bullshit filter in your brain, and you'll be convinced they're doing something, even though you don't "actually" believe in them.
Good luck un-convincing yourself, though.
Quote from: LMNO on October 27, 2009, 12:42:33 PM
Quote from: Triple Zero on October 27, 2009, 12:32:46 PM
basically means you can't do it on your own, then?
This is pretty much the entire point of NLP, self-hypnosis, and "madjyqkuie".
It is possible to fool yourself, but it's not easy.
THIS. I think the will to ignore what your brain knows to be true and the ability to "pretend" yourself into reality plays a huge role in this. And I admire people able to do this because I'm not sure I can.
Jenne,
Total ControlFreak
TM
From my own experience and reading, any "mind over body" becomes a lot easier when it's something necessary.
Getting rid of a common cold, for instance, will be REAL hard to focus on, since it's just an inconvenience and likely to clear up on it's own, whereas dropping your breathing, panic levels and blood pressure to ride out an asthma attack carries a lot more weight when you need to do it.
Well, in that light, Richter, then perhaps I have done that a bit. I called it "visualization" back in the day, but it's how I got through 3 root canals and my tattoos. Just thought of something that wasn't germaine to the task at hand, and it got my mind off the pain.
Though I must've lost my touch because the last time some asshole drilled in my mouth without benefit of local anesthesia, I was WRITHING in pain. So I got the gas this time and it worked like a charm. Maybe that was mind over matter as well. Telling myself I got the gas, so it won't hurt as bad. I still ended up with 10 shots to the jaw and major stiffness afterward, but the experience itself was much better.
Placebo effect also doesn't always work even if the patient both believes in and want the medicine. However, when it does work it can do AMAZING things. My stepmom, who is a Reiki healer, fixed... really physically fixed... my dad's damaged heart valve with what I suspect is the power of placebo. His doctors have been wanting to do surgery for over a year, they put him on meds which he took for a while but then quit because he hated them, and then my stepmom put him on a special diet and gave him fish oil and reiki healing, and after two months, when he went to the doctor, his heart valve problem was cured. Maybe it was the special diet. Maybe it was the fish oil. Who knows.
IIRC there was a Scientific American article which talked about the physical effects they could measure in placebo testing.
Ah found it: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=placebo-effect-a-cure-in-the-mind
There was another article which covered a study that claimed you could get the placebo effect even if you KNEW... as long as you still took your meds regularly and pretended that it would work....
Can't find it in a quick search though... I'll keep looking.
Quote from: LMNO on October 27, 2009, 12:01:36 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 27, 2009, 03:52:43 AM
Quote from: Cainad on October 26, 2009, 10:54:14 PM
Yeah, didn't you once get phony pills and couldn't sleep because of it? Sometimes it's matter over mind, plain and simple.
How does one follow the other? I couldn't sleep, so I took pills. The pills were fake, and I didn't sleep.
I think he was saying that sometimes, you really do need medication (matter) to pimp-slap your brain (mind), and no amount of trickery will overcome that.
So, it sounds like you're both in agreement.
This. I think my communication skills broke for a moment back there.
Quote from: Richter on October 27, 2009, 12:36:29 PM
Placebo effect requires both believing and wanting said drug to work, to put it bluntly. People getting high of talcum powder they're told is cocaine is a fine example of this.
With real drugs, as TGRR has often said, if you want it or not, the chemical hammer comes DOWN.
There's no requirement to *want* the placebo to work. Its very easy to get nausea/vomiting from a placebo effect.
oh yeah, that's right if I eat food that I *think* is spoiled or somehow otherwise bad, I can get pretty nauseous.
until I convince myself otherwise and then I feel better :)
Chi is powerful shit.
Quote from: Cainad on October 26, 2009, 10:54:14 PM
AFAIK it doesn't work if you know it's a placebo; you have to be fooled. Unless, I suppose, you do some hypno-trance-psychosomatic-somatopsychic-voodoo-smokeweedandlistentoPinkFloyd mind games stuff.
There is some evidence that even if you KNOW it is a placebo, it still can produce
measurable physiological effects.http://www.leecrandallparkmd.net/researchpages/placebo1.html
Quote from: Richter on October 27, 2009, 12:36:29 PM
Placebo effect requires both believing and wanting said drug to work, to put it bluntly.
What evidence are you basing this on?
I thought you have a degree in psychology?
On that note, it's interesting how even medical doctors get infested with myths. (http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2009-05-25-medical-myths_N.htm)