No, seriously, where were you guys?
I'm going to guess jacking off into your socks whilst watching Fox News, but that is because I am generally unsympathetic to people who have only just realized something is seriously wrong with their country, 8 years after everyone else.
http://www.lvrj.com/news/oath-keepers-pledges-to-prevent-dictatorship-in-united-states-64690232.html
QuoteDepending on your perspective, the Oath Keepers are either strident defenders of liberty or dangerous peddlers of paranoia.
Launched in March by Las Vegan Stewart Rhodes, Oath Keepers bills itself as a nonpartisan group of current and retired law enforcement and military personnel who vow to fulfill their oaths to the Constitution.
More specifically, the group's members, which number in the thousands, pledge to disobey orders they deem unlawful, including directives to disarm the American people and to blockade American cities. By refusing the latter order, the Oath Keepers hope to prevent cities from becoming "giant concentration camps," a scenario the 44-year-old Rhodes says he can envision happening in the coming years.
It's a Cold War-era nightmare vision with a major twist: The occupying forces in this imagined future are American, not Soviet.
"The whole point of Oath Keepers is to stop a dictatorship from ever happening here," Rhodes, a former Army paratrooper and Yale-trained lawyer, said in an interview with the Review-Journal. "My focus is on the guys with the guns, because they can't do it without them.
"We say if the American people decide it's time for a revolution, we'll fight with you."
I say: get back in line. We figured it out first, we're your betters, that means we get first dibs.
I was wondering when the Militia-Men idea would come back in vogue...
Oh its been going on for months now. Just a few weeks ago, the "National Militia, Soldiers of Freedom" told Obama and his supporters to leave the country by October 15th, or " 'We, The People' will systematically dismantle you, destroy you and reclaim what is rightfully ours."
I like these guys. They're special.
...Ignoring the 9,000,000 vote margin of victory, of course...
So it's basically a weird kind of union?
Quote from: LMNO on October 27, 2009, 04:53:18 PM
...Ignoring the 9,000,000 vote margin of victory, of course...
Those were all fake votes cast by Acorn. Obama is a usurper.
Quote from: Cain on October 27, 2009, 04:51:47 PM
Oh its been going on for months now. Just a few weeks ago, the "National Militia, Soldiers of Freedom" told Obama and his supporters to leave the country by October 15th, or " 'We, The People' will systematically dismantle you, destroy you and reclaim what is rightfully ours."
I like these guys. They're special.
Allrighty, our American members (such as myself) must remind them that we (or other fictitious Americans) also have rightful claim to what they want to take. Threaten, hilariously, a court order to stop them from taking anything.
or
???
It's been going on for a lot longer than 'months', now.
also, i would say that, although in the minority, a decent number of these people were just as dissatisfied with Bush as they are with Obama, in regards to the direction the state is headed. (and believe things would be largely the same under McCain...)
lastly, i would say that it would be wise not to laugh these guys off. It may be the case that in the 90's when the militia movement was pumped the overall feeling was that they were getting ready for a revolution that 'would come' or a disaster that 'would happen'. the sentiment now is qualitatively different. it seems to be growing towards a more active stance. Whether one agrees with them at all, it must be recognized that the perception of these fellows is that things are, at a rapidly increasing pace, approaching the territory where it is their moral duty to initiate an overthrown of the govt.
just a couple zincolns from me.....
...Ruby Ridge, anyone?
Quote from: Jenne on October 27, 2009, 06:17:10 PM
...Ruby Ridge, anyone?
??
What are you saying?
he wasn't militia afaik....
are you saying that it might not have ended so badly if it was an Oath Keeper rather than Lon Horiuchi?
??
Pretty damn close to militia...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_Ridge
Quote from: LMNO on October 27, 2009, 06:23:26 PM
Pretty damn close to militia...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_Ridge
from my understanding of the story and lack of willingness to read the whole wiki article, i would ask, how so?
he was a white seperatist, as i understand it...
and he distrusted the govt. (for good reason by the accounts i've heard)
but what makes him 'close to militia' (wait.... what does that
mean?)
Quote from: Iptuous on October 27, 2009, 06:21:06 PM
Quote from: Jenne on October 27, 2009, 06:17:10 PM
...Ruby Ridge, anyone?
??
What are you saying?
he wasn't militia afaik....
are you saying that it might not have ended so badly if it was an Oath Keeper rather than Lon Horiuchi?
??
What do YOU think? And yeah, I think this is pretty damned parallel. Clinton was lambasted for what happened there, but I'm thinking there were other paramilitary "incidents" that led up to how this was handled. Also, isn't this sort of how the whole Timothy McVeigh
incident (woah, what a misnomer) happened? Militia-type brainwashing and subesquent military training of a person so broken he decided to set off bombs?
Yeah, I'm thinking this is all very similar. Shades of the early 90's happening today shouldn't make anyone comfortable.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militia_movement
QuoteThe Militia movement is a paramilitary outgrowth of the independent survivalist movement, tax-protester movement and other movements in the subculture in the United States....Some Militia groups saw the Davidians and the Weaver family as martyrs,[4] and used Ruby Ridge and Waco as examples of the federal government's threat to people who refused to conform, and additionally those two events became a rallying cry to form militias to defend the people against the forces of a government perceived as hostile.
ah. it was just a general type comment. i was looking into your comment too much...
sry. :oops:
Is good to question.
Quote from: LMNO on October 27, 2009, 04:48:05 PM
I was wondering when the Militia-Men idea would come back in vogue...
The moment a democrat got elected.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 27, 2009, 08:13:31 PM
Quote from: LMNO on October 27, 2009, 04:48:05 PM
I was wondering when the Militia-Men idea would come back in vogue...
The moment a democrat got elected.
Right on the money, Rog.
Racial and religious nuttery aside, militias wouldn't be so bad, if not for the inconsistent way they seem to percieve where threats to liberty are actually, you know, coming from ie; both parties who form the Washington Duopoly, not just the crypto-Marxist, Satanic, Baby-Eating Dems. After all, the GOP has its own crypto-Marxist, Satanic Baby-eaters too.
As they exist though, they're pretty much an unofficial arm of the Republican Party.
Quote from: Cain on October 27, 2009, 08:31:36 PM
Racial and religious nuttery aside, militias wouldn't be so bad, if not for the inconsistent way they seem to percieve where threats to liberty are actually, you know, coming from ie; both parties who form the Washington Duopoly, not just the crypto-Marxist, Satanic, Baby-Eating Dems. After all, the GOP has its own crypto-Marxist, Satanic Baby-eaters too.
As they exist though, they're pretty much an unofficial arm of the Republican Party.
Yep, a,long with many of the other 'liberty' focused Americans... they have had the Blue = Commie drilled into their brains for so long they miss Red= Gestapo Boot Squad.
I mean really, Public Option Healthcare versus The USA PATRIOT ACT, or, Auto Bailout versus Holding US Citizens for years without charges or trial... now which impinges on personal freedom and liberty?
Quote from: Cain on October 27, 2009, 08:31:36 PM
Racial and religious nuttery aside, militias wouldn't be so bad, if not for the inconsistent way they seem to percieve where threats to liberty are actually, you know, coming from ie; both parties who form the Washington Duopoly, not just the crypto-Marxist, Satanic, Baby-Eating Dems. After all, the GOP has its own crypto-Marxist, Satanic Baby-eaters too.
As they exist though, they're pretty much an unofficial arm of the Republican Party.
THANK YOU! EXACTLY! (but the Libertarians will EVER say that's a NAY)
Quote from: Doctor Rat Bastard on October 27, 2009, 08:39:33 PM
Quote from: Cain on October 27, 2009, 08:31:36 PM
Racial and religious nuttery aside, militias wouldn't be so bad, if not for the inconsistent way they seem to percieve where threats to liberty are actually, you know, coming from ie; both parties who form the Washington Duopoly, not just the crypto-Marxist, Satanic, Baby-Eating Dems. After all, the GOP has its own crypto-Marxist, Satanic Baby-eaters too.
As they exist though, they're pretty much an unofficial arm of the Republican Party.
Yep, a,long with many of the other 'liberty' focused Americans... they have had the Blue = Commie drilled into their brains for so long they miss Red= Gestapo Boot Squad.
I mean really, Public Option Healthcare versus The USA PATRIOT ACT, or, Auto Bailout versus Holding US Citizens for years without charges or trial... now which impinges on personal freedom and liberty?
I feel for certain a lot of these folks are pretty much in line with the thinking that only CERTAIN Americans DESERVE those so-called liberties and freedoms.
Quote from: Jenne on October 27, 2009, 08:41:33 PM
Quote from: Doctor Rat Bastard on October 27, 2009, 08:39:33 PM
Quote from: Cain on October 27, 2009, 08:31:36 PM
Racial and religious nuttery aside, militias wouldn't be so bad, if not for the inconsistent way they seem to percieve where threats to liberty are actually, you know, coming from ie; both parties who form the Washington Duopoly, not just the crypto-Marxist, Satanic, Baby-Eating Dems. After all, the GOP has its own crypto-Marxist, Satanic Baby-eaters too.
As they exist though, they're pretty much an unofficial arm of the Republican Party.
Yep, a,long with many of the other 'liberty' focused Americans... they have had the Blue = Commie drilled into their brains for so long they miss Red= Gestapo Boot Squad.
I mean really, Public Option Healthcare versus The USA PATRIOT ACT, or, Auto Bailout versus Holding US Citizens for years without charges or trial... now which impinges on personal freedom and liberty?
I feel for certain a lot of these folks are pretty much in line with the thinking that only CERTAIN Americans DESERVE those so-called liberties and freedoms.
I get a sneaking suspicion that you're right.
Quote from: Jenne on October 27, 2009, 08:41:33 PM
Quote from: Doctor Rat Bastard on October 27, 2009, 08:39:33 PM
Quote from: Cain on October 27, 2009, 08:31:36 PM
Racial and religious nuttery aside, militias wouldn't be so bad, if not for the inconsistent way they seem to percieve where threats to liberty are actually, you know, coming from ie; both parties who form the Washington Duopoly, not just the crypto-Marxist, Satanic, Baby-Eating Dems. After all, the GOP has its own crypto-Marxist, Satanic Baby-eaters too.
As they exist though, they're pretty much an unofficial arm of the Republican Party.
Yep, a,long with many of the other 'liberty' focused Americans... they have had the Blue = Commie drilled into their brains for so long they miss Red= Gestapo Boot Squad.
I mean really, Public Option Healthcare versus The USA PATRIOT ACT, or, Auto Bailout versus Holding US Citizens for years without charges or trial... now which impinges on personal freedom and liberty?
I feel for certain a lot of these folks are pretty much in line with the thinking that only CERTAIN Americans DESERVE those so-called liberties and freedoms.
This shithole deserves everything it's begging for.
Lipservice to Liberties.
That's what they should be called. Instead of Militia Men.
So are they going to also swear not to violate the constitution on their own initiative? No? Why am I not surprised.
Where was I?
I was ranting to anyone who would listen that the Iraq war was a major mistake. I was happy to see Hussein get his, but i knew what the thing was about and I knew what would happen. So far I haven't been proven worng. We are still there, trying to help the government legitimize itself without having them look like they are a puppet state of the United States Government. The Middle East went from hating us to REALLY hating us. All in all, I really didn't like 2003.
Quote from: Iptuous on October 27, 2009, 05:47:52 PM
It's been going on for a lot longer than 'months', now.
also, i would say that, although in the minority, a decent number of these people were just as dissatisfied with Bush as they are with Obama, in regards to the direction the state is headed. (and believe things would be largely the same under McCain...)
lastly, i would say that it would be wise not to laugh these guys off. It may be the case that in the 90's when the militia movement was pumped the overall feeling was that they were getting ready for a revolution that 'would come' or a disaster that 'would happen'. the sentiment now is qualitatively different. it seems to be growing towards a more active stance. Whether one agrees with them at all, it must be recognized that the perception of these fellows is that things are, at a rapidly increasing pace, approaching the territory where it is their moral duty to initiate an overthrown of the govt.
just a couple zincolns from me.....
I think they are right, and we need to get them on our side. Tell them we are ready for the revolution and here are their marching orders.
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on October 28, 2009, 11:46:41 AMI think they are right, and we need to get them on our side. Tell them we are ready for the revolution and here are their marching orders.
Our side? what the cock is
our side? You jus better remember to stay off'n my prop'rty when TSHTF, lest i send some 7.62mm 'marching orders'
your way!
:wink:
Quote from: Jenne on October 27, 2009, 09:06:49 PM
Lipservice to Liberties.
That's what they should be called. Instead of Militia Men.
How about "Fat Insurance Salesmen Playing At Being Ernst Rohm"?
Hey guise!!!
hxxp://oathkeepers.org/oath/
They has a forum!
Quote from: Jerry_Frankster on October 28, 2009, 07:50:55 PM
Hey guise!!!
hxxp://oathkeepers.org/oath/
They has a forum!
Okay, I totally lied about never trolling with you guys again. On that shit tonight and Sunday.
Considering there's no WAY anyone there could have heard about TGRR, if you're outed then we know for sure.
Quote from: LMNO on October 28, 2009, 08:00:57 PM
Considering there's no WAY anyone there could have heard about TGRR, if you're outed then we know for sure.
Point. I will not log in as TGRR, but you'll all know who I am.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 28, 2009, 05:37:09 PM
Quote from: Jenne on October 27, 2009, 09:06:49 PM
Lipservice to Liberties.
That's what they should be called. Instead of Militia Men.
How about "Fat Insurance Salesmen Playing At Being Ernst Rohm"?
Mine is catchier. Just saying.
Quote from: Iptuous on October 27, 2009, 05:47:52 PM
It's been going on for a lot longer than 'months', now.
also, i would say that, although in the minority, a decent number of these people were just as dissatisfied with Bush as they are with Obama, in regards to the direction the state is headed. (and believe things would be largely the same under McCain...)
Actually, from reading some of their posts it seems pretty low on Obama hate and more general hate/dissatisfaction - pretty much what you're saying. I see a few rants against Bush and the Patriot act.. so I'm really not sure where to pigeon hole these people.
Quote from: Jenne on October 28, 2009, 09:04:06 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 28, 2009, 05:37:09 PM
Quote from: Jenne on October 27, 2009, 09:06:49 PM
Lipservice to Liberties.
That's what they should be called. Instead of Militia Men.
How about "Fat Insurance Salesmen Playing At Being Ernst Rohm"?
Mine is catchier. Just saying.
What's catchier than FISPABER?
Oh shit. Apparently I totally failed at being stupid and actually aided the conversation. At this rate I'll be on a watch list by weeks end. :horrormirth:
(http://i1008.photobucket.com/albums/af205/spiff_bucket/fcfail1.jpg)
On the plus side, I got three nice welcome messages on my "wall" and one friend request. 8)
Yep...they sound like my kind of people.
That is, they would be if I didn't have a problem joining groups and clubs and shit. It's either that, or my laziness. I think I might be serious, though. Have to look at more of their propaganda, as they seem to share some ideas with me.
Also for your browsing pleasure: http://pinkpistols.org/ (http://pinkpistols.org/)
I posted this 22 hours ago...
hxxp://oathkeepers.ning.com/forum/topics/has-anyone-contacted-the-daily
and then... [crickets]
Quote from: Jerry_Frankster on November 01, 2009, 06:13:28 PM
I posted this 22 hours ago...
hxxp://oathkeepers.ning.com/forum/topics/has-anyone-contacted-the-daily
and then... [crickets]
Can't log in, can't read. You want crickets from us, too?
Don't post links without also posting your password.
-toa,
or copy-pasta
Hadn't thought of that.
(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk316/Jerry_Frankster/OK1.jpg)
I've discovered there are quite a few members of this thing within my vicinity (I'm right next to a fort).
I'll try getting accepted in the Louisiana group's flock. I think they might plan on IRL meetings.
Quote from: Idem on November 02, 2009, 04:31:12 PM
I've discovered there are quite a few members of this thing within my vicinity (I'm right next to a fort).
I'll try getting accepted in the Louisiana group's flock. I think they might plan on IRL meetings.
And Idem was never seen again. :cry: