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Principia Discordia => Aneristic Illusions => Topic started by: Cain on October 29, 2009, 09:43:56 AM

Title: I am shocked and utterly surprised by this story
Post by: Cain on October 29, 2009, 09:43:56 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/28/world/asia/28intel.html?_r=2&pagewanted=1&hpm

QuoteAhmed Wali Karzai, the brother of the Afghan president and a suspected player in the country's booming illegal opium trade, gets regular payments from the Central Intelligence Agency, and has for much of the past eight years, according to current and former American officials.

Gosh.  Are they sure?  This doesn't seem like something the CIA would approve of.
Title: Re: I am shocked and utterly surprised by this story
Post by: Elder Iptuous on October 29, 2009, 04:49:10 PM
who coordinates to make sure that the DEA and the CIA aren't continuously fighting?
especially when they are both over in a foreign environment like Afghanistan....
Title: Re: I am shocked and utterly surprised by this story
Post by: Cain on October 29, 2009, 04:54:16 PM
I'm not sure, actually.  In theory, I would assume it was the Director of National Intelligence, currently Dennis C. Blair who was formally with the ONI.  But I don't know if he appoints people on a regional basis, like with the Af-Pak area, or if it would fall under the remit of McChrystal due to the ongoing occupation.
Title: Re: I am shocked and utterly surprised by this story
Post by: Halfbaked1 on October 29, 2009, 04:58:59 PM
In the past the CIA has operated on its own and provided the military with operational data on a need to know basis, so I would not doubt that they were paying someone on Karzais side of things and the money went to him.  But like I have told folks, if you only want to deal with Afghans who have had nothing to do with the opium trade then you are going to be a very lonely person in that country.
Title: Re: I am shocked and utterly surprised by this story
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 29, 2009, 05:08:26 PM
Quote from: Halfbaked1 on October 29, 2009, 04:58:59 PM
In the past the CIA has operated on its own and provided the military with operational data on a need to know basis, so I would not doubt that they were paying someone on Karzais side of things and the money went to him.  But like I have told folks, if you only want to deal with Afghans who have had nothing to do with the opium trade then you are going to be a very lonely person in that country.

Not the point.  The point is, we now have two agencies in the same government fighting a proxy war with each other.

If that ain't proof of Eris, nothing is.
Title: Re: I am shocked and utterly surprised by this story
Post by: Cain on October 29, 2009, 05:11:05 PM
I assumed this was the case in 2007, when the CIA helped take down an anti-drug warlord the British military had been courting.

It's nice to know I was right, even if it did take over two years to be proven.
Title: Re: I am shocked and utterly surprised by this story
Post by: Elder Iptuous on October 29, 2009, 09:36:21 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 29, 2009, 05:08:26 PM
Not the point.  The point is, we now have two agencies in the same government fighting a proxy war with each other.

If that ain't proof of Eris, nothing is.

of course, this has been the case for decades with the Cocaine Import Agency undermining the efforts of the DEA. (or alternatively, providing them job security....)
Title: Re: I am shocked and utterly surprised by this story
Post by: Jenne on October 30, 2009, 02:22:40 AM
Quote from: Iptuous on October 29, 2009, 09:36:21 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 29, 2009, 05:08:26 PM
Not the point.  The point is, we now have two agencies in the same government fighting a proxy war with each other.

If that ain't proof of Eris, nothing is.

of course, this has been the case for decades with the Cocaine Import Agency undermining the efforts of the DEA. (or alternatively, providing them job security....)

Ha, that's what I thought of this afternoon when I read this thread and just forgot to say anything about it.  That drug war documentary/movie (The Great White Hype) drove that home in many ways for me.