http://www.boingboing.net/2009/11/03/secret-copyright-tre.html (http://www.boingboing.net/2009/11/03/secret-copyright-tre.html)
QuoteThe internet chapter of the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement, a secret copyright treaty whose text Obama's administration refused to disclose due to "national security" concerns, has leaked. It's bad. It says:
* * That ISPs have to proactively police copyright on user-contributed material. This means that it will be impossible to run a service like Flickr or YouTube or Blogger, since hiring enough lawyers to ensure that the mountain of material uploaded every second isn't infringing will exceed any hope of profitability.
* * That ISPs have to cut off the Internet access of accused copyright infringers or face liability. This means that your entire family could be denied to the internet -- and hence to civic participation, health information, education, communications, and their means of earning a living -- if one member is accused of copyright infringement, without access to a trial or counsel.
* * That the whole world must adopt US-style "notice-and-takedown" rules that require ISPs to remove any material that is accused -- again, without evidence or trial -- of infringing copyright. This has proved a disaster in the US and other countries, where it provides an easy means of censoring material, just by accusing it of infringing copyright.
* * Mandatory prohibitions on breaking DRM, even if doing so for a lawful purpose (e.g., to make a work available to disabled people; for archival preservation; because you own the copyrighted work that is locked up with DRM)
None of this strikes me as being even remotely legal. Will it fly? Will the internets be killed by Grayface? Who the hell knows anymore?
STAY TUNED.
More links:
http://torrentfreak.com/secret-anti-piracy-treaty-turns-isps-into-pirates-091104/ (http://torrentfreak.com/secret-anti-piracy-treaty-turns-isps-into-pirates-091104/)
http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/4510/125/ (http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/4510/125/)
http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/11/leaked-acta-internet-provisions-three-strikes-and- (http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/11/leaked-acta-internet-provisions-three-strikes-and-)
That sounds brilliant! You mean I would be able to lodge thousands of complaints of copyright violation a day against any company or person who annoys me and without trial or supporting evidence they will have to go through the rigmarole of trying to get it sorted out before their ISP blocks them?
This sounds like the most fun law ever.
Quote from: ☂Faust☂ on November 04, 2009, 08:02:42 PM
That sounds brilliant! You mean I would be able to lodge thousands of complaints of copyright violation a day against any company or person who annoys me and without trial or supporting evidence they will have to go through the rigmarole of trying to get it sorted out before their ISP blocks them?
This sounds like the most fun law ever.
Nah, it won't be quite that awesome. You see, they won't have the option of sorting it out: the ISPs have to banzor them as soon as the unsupported claim is made. If they don't, the ISPs themselves are considered pirates. Awesome, eh?
:mittens: to faust
unmittens to the treaty
everybody might as well piss in the pool before it gets closed and we have to move onto internet#2
Quote from: ☂Faust☂ on November 04, 2009, 08:02:42 PM
That sounds brilliant! You mean I would be able to lodge thousands of complaints of copyright violation a day against any company or person who annoys me and without trial or supporting evidence they will have to go through the rigmarole of trying to get it sorted out before their ISP blocks them?
This sounds like the most fun law ever.
It sounds like the end of
Doctor Strangelove, just waiting to happen. :lulz:
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 04, 2009, 08:11:54 PM
Quote from: ☂Faust☂ on November 04, 2009, 08:02:42 PM
That sounds brilliant! You mean I would be able to lodge thousands of complaints of copyright violation a day against any company or person who annoys me and without trial or supporting evidence they will have to go through the rigmarole of trying to get it sorted out before their ISP blocks them?
This sounds like the most fun law ever.
It sounds like the end of Doctor Strangelove, just waiting to happen. :lulz:
How I learned to Stop Worrying and Love my Cellmate?
We should start a campaign to complain against everybody and get everybody's internet blocked.
Quote from: Nigel on November 04, 2009, 08:19:36 PM
We should start a campaign to complain against everybody and get everybody's internet blocked.
Starting with everyone who votes/has voted for this?
I like it.
So...to save the internet, we have to burn it down?
Easy solution to get this repealed if it actually goes into effect - accuse all .gov ISPs of copyright infringement. Better than DoS attacks! Hell, the last bullet point (archiving material, disability access, etc.) is essentially the Library of Congress, HUD, HHS, etc. main reason for existing, so they'll be able to be used to shut down all of it.
Gotta love all this :lulz:
Quote from: Nigel on November 04, 2009, 08:19:36 PM
We should start a campaign to complain against everybody and get everybody's internet blocked.
What I said. Dr Strangelove ending, nukes everywhere, no survivors.
INTERNETS ORVER.
Dibs on the Slim Pickins role.
Quote from: LMNO on November 04, 2009, 08:55:37 PM
Dibs on the Slim Pickins role.
FUCK! :crankey:
TGRR,
Behind the 8 ball, as usual.
I have faith in the creativity of internet users. Enforcing that all content on the internet is policed somehow will take an army of people. An ARMY. In the end, the good data will be hidden by encyrption and darknets. People will flock from the commercial web onto the less regulated sites. The internet is, in some ways, a form of communication. I would bet good money that the government simply cannot regulate that any more than they can stop me from recording songs I hear on the radio and selling the tapes on the street.
The illusion of control, however, can be very effective.
Holywood has been creating computer generated actors for a good few years now, increasingly lifelike too. Then you have something like Poser (http://poser8.smithmicro.com/), with its ability to generate lifelike people for under $500. So I wonder what the state of open-source rendering/blender will look like in 10 years. Because pretty darn soon, we're going to have the ability to easily create our own tv shows and movies with lifelike actors, and it'll cost peanuts to make. This will inevitably make the youtube of today look like a goddamn shining beacon of cultural beauty.
But there will be groups of people who will take the time to script and direct. Some of these people will start creating content which outshines that offered commercially. If they offer it for free, with or without advertising, it needn't even be better than commercial content.
An analogy might be with the current state of the newspaper industry - they set up paywalls, and people started finding out that they can get a different take on the same news from another source or blog. This in turn built up the blog infrastructure to the point where everybody is slowly cluing in to the fact that paper news is in rapid decline. So we'll support musicians who don't pay into their protection racket, and we'll support free content producers while the copyright holders rot slowly away. Celebrity culture is in its burnout phase. A generation from now will look back on us with the same bemusement as we do on Beatlemania.
But my point is - fuck them and their stupid copyright laws. They're fucked already. The revolution has already started and it'll be the lowliest of monkeys tearing them down and nibbling on their bones.
Quote from: ☂Faust☂ on November 04, 2009, 08:02:42 PM
That sounds brilliant! You mean I would be able to lodge thousands of complaints of copyright violation a day against any company or person who annoys me and without trial or supporting evidence they will have to go through the rigmarole of trying to get it sorted out before their ISP blocks them?
This sounds like the most fun law ever.
Oh don't worry, I'm sure that some provision will be passed in the law so that only major corporations can file the complaints. Otherwise anyone could shut down websites, even no good terrorists who hate American Values
TM.
In times like this, I feel happy that I live in this shithole, Bulgaria, where no law is ever followed and where this will never happen. Tough when that law is active I guess the upload to torrent trackers will go down, and we wont have much to download :sad: I can't imagine my life without piracy, where a videogame costs about 1/2 of a minimal wage.
Wow. I am actually left speechless by this one. I didn't think something like this would come along for a long time. I'll have to get myself a pair of wading boots to get through all the bull-shit that's going to come with this. I'mma just hope that it doesn't
actually go through.
Quote from: LMNO on November 04, 2009, 08:55:37 PM
Dibs on the Slim Pickins role.
Well thank goodness SOMEONE will be ridin' the bomb. Be sure to bring your cowboy apparel to the occasion.
1. What's anything of this got to do with counterfeiting? Why are all these American laws (or proposals or whatever) always named after something that has nothing to do with what they're about?
2. Learn to encrypt. Now. Get GPG, get one of the related tools and the firefox extension, make sure your email client can handle it, and start encrypting the fuck out of everything. Not really related to filesharing, but related to all the scary plans They have for the internets in general.
3. If we gonna do Faust's suggestion, I suggest we destroy Google and other search engines first. Let em try to ban shit if they can't find it :-P
But then, in other news, the EU decision on the telecom package went surprisingly well:
http://christianengstrom.wordpress.com/2009/11/05/telecom-package-final-agreed-text/
Mexico is a piracy beast - that none will tame in the near future.
Also, didnt the piratebay.xxx move to some international waters nuclear bunker?
Quote from: Chief Uwachiquen on November 05, 2009, 09:18:49 AM
Quote from: LMNO on November 04, 2009, 08:55:37 PM
Dibs on the Slim Pickins role.
Well thank goodness SOMEONE will be ridin' the bomb. Be sure to bring your cowboy apparel to the occasion.
I made some improvements. For example: Assless Chaps.
Quote from: Triple Zero on November 05, 2009, 11:21:54 AM
1. What's anything of this got to do with counterfeiting? Why are all these American laws (or proposals or whatever) always named after something that has nothing to do with what they're about?
Because pissing on Orwell's grave is our national sport.
Quote from: JohNyx on November 05, 2009, 01:44:59 PM
Mexico is a piracy beast - that none will tame in the near future.
Also, didnt the piratebay.xxx move to some international waters nuclear bunker?
yeah, the pirate bay is now hosted in a cyberbunker (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CyberBunker) in russia
Quote from: Triple Zero on November 05, 2009, 12:35:16 PM
But then, in other news, the EU decision on the telecom package went surprisingly well:
http://christianengstrom.wordpress.com/2009/11/05/telecom-package-final-agreed-text/
Good stuff. It's a step in the right direction.
Quote from: Cramulus on November 05, 2009, 02:37:19 PM
Quote from: JohNyx on November 05, 2009, 01:44:59 PM
Mexico is a piracy beast - that none will tame in the near future.
Also, didnt the piratebay.xxx move to some international waters nuclear bunker?
yeah, the pirate bay is now hosted in a cyberbunker (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CyberBunker) in russia
:lulz:
Piratebay.org: Now immune to direct nuclear strike!
It's getting worse: http://www.boingboing.net/2009/11/04/more-on-secret-copyr.html (http://www.boingboing.net/2009/11/04/more-on-secret-copyr.html)
I hope to Goddess that this thing never sees the light of day.
This shit will be unenforceable.
Quote from: Slanket the Destroyer on November 05, 2009, 06:21:26 PM
This shit will be unenforceable.
You might be surprised. 850,000 people went to jail last year for possessing the leaves of a plant (marijuana).
I seriously doubt it and when it hits the courts they can't just ignore all of the precedence. If the supreme court doesn't end up shooting this down if it passes and is challenged then I'll be fucking amazed.
Quote from: Slanket the Destroyer on November 05, 2009, 06:33:20 PM
I seriously doubt it and when it hits the courts they can't just ignore all of the precedence. If the supreme court doesn't end up shooting this down if it passes and is challenged then I'll be fucking amazed.
If it's a ratified treaty, SCOTUS can't do anything about it, as per article VI of the constitution.
Now now now...let's remember what happened yesterday (http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE5A40SQ20091105) in Italy. That shit was awesome, and we'll see what the fall-out from that is.
I'm not saying SCOTUS will follow suit, but shit damn fuck it was still great to see. Not that I really believe those CIA fucks will do any or much time at all.
Quote from: Cramulus on November 05, 2009, 02:37:19 PM
Quote from: JohNyx on November 05, 2009, 01:44:59 PM
Mexico is a piracy beast - that none will tame in the near future.
Also, didnt the piratebay.xxx move to some international waters nuclear bunker?
yeah, the pirate bay is now hosted in a cyberbunker (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CyberBunker) in russia
Except that it's in the Netherlands, first we took IKEA, and now the PirateBay.
YEAH YOU SISSY VIKINGS ITS PAYBACK TIME
Anyone know if there's any more cool shit we could pillage from that place?
France already passed one of these, the EU declared it a violation of human rights (no trial).
Quote from: Triple Zero on November 06, 2009, 01:07:17 AM
Anyone know if there's any more cool shit we could pillage from that place?
Some brands of vodka, I think. And ennui. And trees.
lutefisk?
Quote from: Sir Remington III on November 04, 2009, 08:05:08 PM
Quote from: ☂Faust☂ on November 04, 2009, 08:02:42 PM
That sounds brilliant! You mean I would be able to lodge thousands of complaints of copyright violation a day against any company or person who annoys me and without trial or supporting evidence they will have to go through the rigmarole of trying to get it sorted out before their ISP blocks them?
This sounds like the most fun law ever.
Nah, it won't be quite that awesome. You see, they won't have the option of sorting it out: the ISPs have to banzor them as soon as the unsupported claim is made. If they don't, the ISPs themselves are considered pirates. Awesome, eh?
Dude, that is twice as awesome.
How many government sites you thnk have copyrighted material?
Quote from: Cain on November 07, 2009, 09:16:22 PM
Quote from: Triple Zero on November 06, 2009, 01:07:17 AM
Anyone know if there's any more cool shit we could pillage from that place?
Some brands of vodka, I think. And ennui. And trees.
And Loki worship
Quote1. "Win thine Will," shall
be all the ur-Law;
that gives no ur-Law
over "win thine Will."
Love is the ur-Law--
Love under Will--
Love without sorrow.
http://ragnarokr.com/cult/
http://ragnarokr.com/
(i cant find another way of navigating between those, other than manually altering the url)
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on November 07, 2009, 10:30:26 PM
Quote from: Sir Remington III on November 04, 2009, 08:05:08 PM
Quote from: ☂Faust☂ on November 04, 2009, 08:02:42 PM
That sounds brilliant! You mean I would be able to lodge thousands of complaints of copyright violation a day against any company or person who annoys me and without trial or supporting evidence they will have to go through the rigmarole of trying to get it sorted out before their ISP blocks them?
This sounds like the most fun law ever.
Nah, it won't be quite that awesome. You see, they won't have the option of sorting it out: the ISPs have to banzor them as soon as the unsupported claim is made. If they don't, the ISPs themselves are considered pirates. Awesome, eh?
Dude, that is twice as awesome.
How many government sites you thnk have copyrighted material?
Oh, don't worry. The law won't apply to them.
All we need is the IP addresses of the politicians families, cousins and ssuch that will call up their family to bitch but ren't on0 special lists (read, getting free internet as a bribe) with the companies.
Quote from: Cain on November 07, 2009, 09:16:22 PM
Quote from: Triple Zero on November 06, 2009, 01:07:17 AM
Anyone know if there's any more cool shit we could pillage from that place?
Some brands of vodka, I think. And ennui. And trees.
Salmiaki korskenkova
Quote from: Regret on November 09, 2009, 11:29:54 PM
Quote from: Cain on November 07, 2009, 09:16:22 PM
Quote from: Triple Zero on November 06, 2009, 01:07:17 AM
Anyone know if there's any more cool shit we could pillage from that place?
Some brands of vodka, I think. And ennui. And trees.
And Loki worship
Quote1. "Win thine Will," shall
be all the ur-Law;
that gives no ur-Law
over "win thine Will."
Love is the ur-Law--
Love under Will--
Love without sorrow.
http://ragnarokr.com/cult/
http://ragnarokr.com/
(i cant find another way of navigating between those, other than manually altering the url)
Why are they using Crowley's laws?
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on November 11, 2009, 06:35:48 AM
Quote from: Regret on November 09, 2009, 11:29:54 PM
Quote from: Cain on November 07, 2009, 09:16:22 PM
Quote from: Triple Zero on November 06, 2009, 01:07:17 AM
Anyone know if there's any more cool shit we could pillage from that place?
Some brands of vodka, I think. And ennui. And trees.
And Loki worship
Quote1. "Win thine Will," shall
be all the ur-Law;
that gives no ur-Law
over "win thine Will."
Love is the ur-Law--
Love under Will--
Love without sorrow.
http://ragnarokr.com/cult/
http://ragnarokr.com/
(i cant find another way of navigating between those, other than manually altering the url)
Why are they using Crowley's laws?
Probably because they thought it was funny, Loki worshippers are strange.
BABABABUMP
Anyone have any news on this?
Quote from: Sigmatic on July 08, 2010, 02:10:09 AM
BABABABUMP
Anyone have any news on this?
ACTA proceeding as planned. When it all comes to fruitation, Congress won't have the chance to vote on it. It can be adopted via executive order, apparently, so 10:1 chance says it will be.
since when can the Prez agree to a treaty w/o congressional approval?
Quote from: Iptuous on July 08, 2010, 05:10:06 AM
since when can the Prez agree to a treaty w/o congressional approval?
Executive order, although it was hearsay via a news article and I may have been mistaken.
Quote from: Remington on July 08, 2010, 06:34:22 AM
Quote from: Iptuous on July 08, 2010, 05:10:06 AM
since when can the Prez agree to a treaty w/o congressional approval?
Executive order, although it was hearsay via a news article and I may have been mistaken.
An executive order can't agree to a treaty.
perhaps they are calling it something else?
Quote from: Iptuous on July 08, 2010, 05:10:06 AM
since when can the Prez agree to a treaty w/o congressional approval?
Since he apparently turned into a God-Emperor, only distinctly more lame when compared with the likes of the Pharaohs, Caesars or Warhammer 40K Emperor. So, uh, the 60s?