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Principia Discordia => Two vast and trunkless legs of stone => Topic started by: Cain on November 22, 2009, 04:43:24 PM

Title: A reasonable and proportional use of force
Post by: Cain on November 22, 2009, 04:43:24 PM
I'm sure this was totally necessary:

http://www.4029tv.com/news/21638427/detail.html

QuoteOzark police said they were called to a home where a mother asked for help with her unruly child, but the 10-year-old's father said he's outraged at the force police used against his daughter.

"I would like to say Ozark police Tased this little girl right here. Ten years old and [they] shot electricity through her body, and I want to know how the heck in God's green earth can they get away with this," said the girl's father, Anthony Medlock.

Medlock said his daughter was at her mother's house when Ozark police Officer Dustin Bradshaw shocked her in the back with a Taser and arrested her.

"If you can't pick the kid up and take her to your car, handcuff her, then I don't think you need to be an officer," Medlock said.

Medlock said his daughter does show signs of having emotional issues, but she "doesn't deserve to be treated like a dog. She's not a tiger."

According to a police report, the officer was called to the home by the mother and witnessed the child kicking and screaming.

The officer's statement said the girl's mother, Kelly Hamlert, told him to use a Taser on her if he needed to.

The officer did shock the girl after he said she kicked him in the groin.

"He had no other choice. He had to get the child under control," said Ozark police Chief Jim Noggle.

Noggle said the officer shocked the girl for about a second.

Ozark police said it is their policy to use a Taser on someone who is a threat to others, no matter their age.

Noggle said simply restraining the child could be harmful.

"Well, if he tried to restrain her, he might hurt her by restraining her. If you grab somebody, you can slip an arm out of joint. They can slip from you and fall on the ground," Noggle said.

"I don't know what kind of policy it is. I don't think it's right," Medlock said.

Medlock said this is not the first time the girl's mother has called police to take her daughter to a juvenile facility. He said he will now try to get custody of his daughter.

"She just wants somebody to love her, and I do," he said.

40/29 News checked with several other police agencies about their taser policies. The Fort Smith Police Department said it will only uses a Taser on a person 14 years old or older if they are a threat to someone.

Fort Smith Police said it's usually the discretion of each police department to make their own policies on using a Taser.

Noggle said no action is being taken against the Ozark officer who used the Taser on the girl, and he said her case will go before the juvenile court system.

Naturally, the socialism on display here disgusts me.  She should buy her own tazer and electrocute her daughter herself, and not rely on the Nanny State to do everything for her.
Title: Re: A reasonable and proportional use of force
Post by: Reginald Ret on November 22, 2009, 05:37:16 PM
Quote from: Cain on November 22, 2009, 04:43:24 PM
I'm sure this was totally necessary:

http://www.4029tv.com/news/21638427/detail.html

QuoteOzark police said they were called to a home where a mother asked for help with her unruly child, but the 10-year-old's father said he's outraged at the force police used against his daughter.

"I would like to say Ozark police Tased this little girl right here. Ten years old and [they] shot electricity through her body, and I want to know how the heck in God's green earth can they get away with this," said the girl's father, Anthony Medlock.

Medlock said his daughter was at her mother's house when Ozark police Officer Dustin Bradshaw shocked her in the back with a Taser and arrested her.

"If you can't pick the kid up and take her to your car, handcuff her, then I don't think you need to be an officer," Medlock said.

Medlock said his daughter does show signs of having emotional issues, but she "doesn't deserve to be treated like a dog. She's not a tiger."

According to a police report, the officer was called to the home by the mother and witnessed the child kicking and screaming.

The officer's statement said the girl's mother, Kelly Hamlert, told him to use a Taser on her if he needed to.

The officer did shock the girl after he said she kicked him in the groin.

"He had no other choice. He had to get the child under control," said Ozark police Chief Jim Noggle.

Noggle said the officer shocked the girl for about a second.

Ozark police said it is their policy to use a Taser on someone who is a threat to others, no matter their age.

Noggle said simply restraining the child could be harmful.

"Well, if he tried to restrain her, he might hurt her by restraining her. If you grab somebody, you can slip an arm out of joint. They can slip from you and fall on the ground," Noggle said.

"I don't know what kind of policy it is. I don't think it's right," Medlock said.

Medlock said this is not the first time the girl's mother has called police to take her daughter to a juvenile facility. He said he will now try to get custody of his daughter.

"She just wants somebody to love her, and I do," he said.

40/29 News checked with several other police agencies about their taser policies. The Fort Smith Police Department said it will only uses a Taser on a person 14 years old or older if they are a threat to someone.

Fort Smith Police said it's usually the discretion of each police department to make their own policies on using a Taser.

Noggle said no action is being taken against the Ozark officer who used the Taser on the girl, and he said her case will go before the juvenile court system.

Naturally, the socialism on display here disgusts me.  She should buy her own tazer and electrocute her daughter herself, and not rely on the Nanny State to do everything for her.

for some reason that made me laugh.
Title: Re: A reasonable and proportional use of force
Post by: Sir Squid Diddimus on November 22, 2009, 05:45:35 PM
For real? You have to have the cops come out and help discipline your kid?
I've never even had to use the "don't make me call santa claus" shit.

Learn to parent.

Also tazing a kid is just stupid. Seriously. Unless that 10 yr old is like six foot and two fifty, there's no need. Man up.
Title: Re: A reasonable and proportional use of force
Post by: Triple Zero on November 22, 2009, 06:10:09 PM
Quote from: Squid on November 22, 2009, 05:45:35 PM
For real? You have to have the cops come out and help discipline your kid?
I've never even had to use the "don't make me call santa claus" shit.

Learn to parent.

Also tazing a kid is just stupid. Seriously. Unless that 10 yr old is like six foot and two fifty, there's no need. Man up.

They should watch The Pacifier. Fucking Vin Diesel knows to deal with kids kicking him in the groin!
Title: Re: A reasonable and proportional use of force
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 23, 2009, 02:18:03 PM
Quote from: Squid on November 22, 2009, 05:45:35 PM


Learn to parent.


Stupid people breed.
Title: Re: A reasonable and proportional use of force
Post by: Richter on November 23, 2009, 02:55:02 PM
...and we're making it easier and safer so they can.

Cain:  :lulz:

I'm no policeman, and no badass, but restraining a small child without major risk or injury is possible.  If they're on the ground kicking and screaming, then they're just done difficult part of it for you.

EMT's for a mental health emergency may have been a more apt call, (still doesn't excuse the parents for being unable to deal with a tantrum though).  Unless this kid is armed and harming themselves or others, I don't see why an officer was sent. 
Title: Re: A reasonable and proportional use of force
Post by: Elder Iptuous on November 23, 2009, 03:07:41 PM
3/4 of children deserve it....

from just the first page google results of 'police taser child'.....

a six year old and 12 year old (separate incidents):
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,138488,00.html

an 11 year old boy:
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/10424467/detail.html

a 10 year old girl:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34014497/ns/us_news-life/


From:
http://www.mahalo.com/tasered-children
Quote#
Tasers, non-lethal electroshock weapons used to subdue potentially dangerous subjects, are currently in use by an estimated 11,000 law enforcement agencies in 44 countries but increasing reports of Taser use on children, some as young as six years old, are seen as a cause for concern for some parents and organizations.

The regulations surrounding Taser use vary among states and countries, but many have not banned their use on children despite warnings that an electrical shock of such magnitude could trigger a heart attack in youngsters, which was evidenced when a 14-year-old Chicago boy went into cardiac arrest after being Tasered in 2005. Taser International maintains that the device is safe to use on anyone who weighs over 60 pounds.

Tasers work by firing two small electrodes, which deliver 50,000 volts from up to 21 feet away. The resulting shock is meant to stun and incapacitate the recipient, but not cause any permanent damage.
#
Fast Facts:

   1. The United States does not consider Tasers to be firearms
   2. The United Nations has deemed Taser use a form of torture
   3. Amnesty International alleges that Taser use is "inhumane"
   4. The Taser was invented by Jack Cover in 1969
   5. According to Amnesty International, Tasers have been responsible for 220 deaths in America from 2001-2007
Title: Re: A reasonable and proportional use of force
Post by: Cramulus on November 23, 2009, 03:32:09 PM
the cops are taught that the taser is a humane way of restraining. I guess that checks out if their usual protocol is to grind the person's face into the cement with their jackboots.


My buddy is a cop and tased a 70 year old man the other week.

"WHY ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH ARE YOU TASING THE ELDERLY?" I asked, flabbergasted

"I didn't want to hurt him!" he said. "If I had to wrestle him into handcuffs I probably would have broken his arm!"


:horrormirth:
Title: Re: A reasonable and proportional use of force
Post by: Richter on November 23, 2009, 03:41:18 PM
I want a taser now.  For NO good reason, and a few good ones.  Better get 2, so I have a spare. 
Title: Re: A reasonable and proportional use of force
Post by: -Kel- on November 23, 2009, 03:46:31 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 23, 2009, 02:18:03 PM
Quote from: Squid on November 22, 2009, 05:45:35 PM


Learn to parent.


Stupid people breed.

QFT

And what happened to letting a child just go threw the tantrum and chill out on their own? Stuff like this pisses me off, more so due to the fact that tax payer money got wasted because a parent couldn't discipline nor handle they're own kid.
Title: Re: A reasonable and proportional use of force
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on November 23, 2009, 04:22:25 PM
Stupid people have to breed. Otherwise we'd run out of stupid people.
Title: Re: A reasonable and proportional use of force
Post by: Cainad (dec.) on November 23, 2009, 04:23:52 PM
Why the hell did the cops even waste their time with this? Are they in such a safe area that using police time and resources to restrain a 10 year old isn't considered criminally wasteful?


Wait...


We now officially live in a world where parents call the cops on their own children to discipline them. :lulz: :lulz: I can't stop the screaming laughter!
Title: Re: A reasonable and proportional use of force
Post by: LMNO on November 23, 2009, 04:25:51 PM
I'd just like to remind everyone that the article said that the mother requested the cops to use the taser "if they needed to."


There really is no stronger bond than between a mother and her children, is there?
Title: Re: A reasonable and proportional use of force
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 23, 2009, 04:30:16 PM
Quote from: LMNO on November 23, 2009, 04:25:51 PM
I'd just like to remind everyone that the article said that the mother requested the cops to use the taser "if they needed to."


There really is no stronger bond than between a mother and her children, is there?

Have I ever mentioned that I LOVE this decade?   :lulz:
Title: Re: A reasonable and proportional use of force
Post by: Shibboleet The Annihilator on November 23, 2009, 04:41:20 PM
+10 internets to anyone that digs up the police reports on these incidents.
Title: Re: A reasonable and proportional use of force
Post by: Elder Iptuous on November 23, 2009, 04:44:36 PM
Quote from: Richter on November 23, 2009, 03:41:18 PM
I want a taser now.  For NO good reason, and a few good ones.  Better get 2, so I have a spare. 

just get yerself some Taser shotgun shells!
(http://blog.taser.com/files/2009/07/xrep-close-up.jpg)
http://www.taser.com/products/law/Pages/TASERXREP.aspx
nevermind the fact that they have had spotty testing with high variation in the duration of shock...
nevermind the fact that Taser has recently reduced the 'target area' that you are supposed to shoot at from the entire body below the neck, to now the limbs and back.  and that this is a low speed projectile that will have far from flat balistics, so good luck trying to aim for someones arm....
Title: Re: A reasonable and proportional use of force
Post by: Triple Zero on November 23, 2009, 05:34:26 PM
Quote from: Richter on November 23, 2009, 03:41:18 PM
I want a taser now.  For NO good reason, and a few good ones.  Better get 2, so I have a spare. 

I want a taser for all the bad reasons.
Title: Re: A reasonable and proportional use of force
Post by: Reginald Ret on November 23, 2009, 08:36:28 PM
Taser + remote controlled toy
Title: Re: A reasonable and proportional use of force
Post by: Bruno on November 23, 2009, 08:39:20 PM
web-enabled remote tazer controlled by cellphone  :fap: :fap:
Title: Re: A reasonable and proportional use of force
Post by: LMNO on November 23, 2009, 08:40:47 PM
Quote from: Jerry_Frankster on November 23, 2009, 08:39:20 PM
web-enabled remote tazer controlled by cellphone  :fap: :fap:

And the dream of reaching through my monitor and bitch-slapping fools comes one step closer...
Title: Re: A reasonable and proportional use of force
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 23, 2009, 08:41:20 PM
A taser collar that shocks you if you're up from your desk or stop typing for too long.

:)
Title: Re: A reasonable and proportional use of force
Post by: Cain on November 23, 2009, 08:45:14 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 23, 2009, 08:41:20 PM
A taser collar that shocks you if you're up from your desk or stop typing for too long.

:)

Not necessary (for some jobs).

I was reading about how at..Starbucks, I think, they introduced a new system where the tills would register how much sales were done by a particular person in the store at a particular time, and then generate their hours from that, so the company could save money by sending them home the minute their wages started to cost more than they were getting in from the customers.
Title: Re: A reasonable and proportional use of force
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 23, 2009, 08:50:11 PM
Quote from: Cain on November 23, 2009, 08:45:14 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 23, 2009, 08:41:20 PM
A taser collar that shocks you if you're up from your desk or stop typing for too long.

:)

Not necessary (for some jobs).

I was reading about how at..Starbucks, I think, they introduced a new system where the tills would register how much sales were done by a particular person in the store at a particular time, and then generate their hours from that, so the company could save money by sending them home the minute their wages started to cost more than they were getting in from the customers.

United Airlines corporate office employees have to wear a transponder that rats them out if they're too far away from their desk for too long.

Title: Re: A reasonable and proportional use of force
Post by: Cain on November 23, 2009, 08:52:03 PM
That's pretty fucked up.

I, on the other hand, sign myself in 10 minutes early every day, with the approval of my bosses.
Title: Re: A reasonable and proportional use of force
Post by: Bruno on November 23, 2009, 09:21:11 PM
Quote from: LMNO on November 23, 2009, 08:40:47 PM
Quote from: Jerry_Frankster on November 23, 2009, 08:39:20 PM
web-enabled remote tazer controlled by cellphone  :fap: :fap:

And the dream of reaching through my monitor and bitch-slapping fools comes one step closer...

Wouldn't be that hard, really. A relatively short python script, servo controller, and a couple of servos.

It's been on my to-do list for a while.
Title: Re: A reasonable and proportional use of force
Post by: Shibboleet The Annihilator on November 24, 2009, 05:27:36 AM
The real trick would be getting people to buy it.

I would suggest starting with a clever marketing campaign, the actual engineering of the product would be easy.
Title: Re: A reasonable and proportional use of force
Post by: Bruno on November 24, 2009, 11:10:03 AM
I wasn't really thinking of selling them.

The liability insurance on something like that would be astronomical.  Not to mention patent fees.
Title: Re: A reasonable and proportional use of force
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on November 24, 2009, 12:30:05 PM
I bet you're all thinking of this tiny little 10 year old brutally being zapped while the police officer guffaws through his moustache.

Suppose this 10 year old girl is a manatee, though.

Have you ever tried to restrain even a small manatee?

I thought not.

Remember, this is Arkansas. Whales drive around on personal mobility vehicles with their blubber flopping over their spandex pants jiggling down their legs and dragging on the ground. They congregate at strip malls and fast food joints. In most parts of the country you occasionally see a real fatty. But in the south, there is fat and    G E T    B A C K    I N N A    O C E A N    F A T. Trust me, I've been to the Dallas Airport.


Cut this cop some slack. It may have been a manatee.

In which case it was lucky it didn't get the outboard motor.
Title: Re: A reasonable and proportional use of force
Post by: Elder Iptuous on November 24, 2009, 02:40:45 PM
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on November 24, 2009, 12:30:05 PM
I bet you're all thinking of this tiny little 10 year old brutally being zapped while the police officer guffaws through his moustache.

Suppose this 10 year old girl is a manatee, though.

Have you ever tried to restrain even a small manatee?

I thought not.

Remember, this is Arkansas. Whales drive around on personal mobility vehicles with their blubber flopping over their spandex pants jiggling down their legs and dragging on the ground. They congregate at strip malls and fast food joints. In most parts of the country you occasionally see a real fatty. But in the south, there is fat and    G E T    B A C K    I N N A    O C E A N    F A T. Trust me, I've been to the Dallas Airport.


Cut this cop some slack. It may have been a manatee.

In which case it was lucky it didn't get the outboard motor.

Yeah, but that's precisely the reason that we are required by law in the south to have at least one (1) adult manatee on the local police force.  You think they are stuffing their faces with Krispy Kreme donuts dipped in country cream gravy because they like it?!?
nonono.... it's for the kids.
this was a failure to properly implement our Corpulent Cop program, and was inexcusable.
Title: Re: A reasonable and proportional use of force
Post by: Richter on November 24, 2009, 03:51:16 PM
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on November 24, 2009, 12:30:05 PM
I bet you're all thinking of this tiny little 10 year old brutally being zapped while the police officer guffaws through his moustache.

Suppose this 10 year old girl is a manatee, though.

Have you ever tried to restrain even a small manatee?

I thought not.

Remember, this is Arkansas. Whales drive around on personal mobility vehicles with their blubber flopping over their spandex pants jiggling down their legs and dragging on the ground. They congregate at strip malls and fast food joints. In most parts of the country you occasionally see a real fatty. But in the south, there is fat and    G E T    B A C K    I N N A    O C E A N    F A T. Trust me, I've been to the Dallas Airport.


Cut this cop some slack. It may have been a manatee.

In which case it was lucky it didn't get the outboard motor.

:mittens:

This is the best goddamn thing I have read all week. 
The land behemoths supported by their social securiy and their mechanical contrivance would become the scowling overlords of us all, given half a chance.  How long until they start mounting WEAPONS when these bloated sacks bleat and yammer that they have no other recourse?
Their bloated forms would sap consumables while their ever more oppulent conveyance would soak up industry.

I salute this sentiment.

Chaplain, "three passes around the legs, cut the cable, and let the fucker fall", Richter
Title: Re: A reasonable and proportional use of force
Post by: Dalek on November 24, 2009, 04:56:15 PM
Some time ago, parents could just beat the crap out of their children with a fucking steel-pipe.
Title: Re: A reasonable and proportional use of force
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 24, 2009, 04:57:08 PM
Quote from: DALEKK on November 24, 2009, 04:56:15 PM
Some time ago, parents could just beat the crap out of their children with a fucking steel-pipe.

Yeah, and what a society we had!

:lulz:

It couldn't last, though.  Too many people walking around with dented heads.  The Haberdashery Union eventually stepped in and ruined it for everyone.