Do you use one? What kind? How do you like it? Does it have fart apps?
No, I'm too poor. Plus, I fail to see the need for fart apps, when real ones are funnier.
But, that said, iPhones can get viruses now:
http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/iphone/malicious-copycat-iphone-virus-unleashed-20091124-je7t.html
(That'll teach self righteous apple gits)
Quote from: Rumckle on November 25, 2009, 02:28:31 AM
(That'll teach self righteous apple gits)
No.
No it won't.
Quote from: Rumckle on November 25, 2009, 02:28:31 AM
No, I'm too poor. Plus, I fail to see the need for fart apps, when real ones are funnier.
But, that said, iPhones can get viruses now:
http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/iphone/malicious-copycat-iphone-virus-unleashed-20091124-je7t.html
(That'll teach self righteous apple gits)
It only affects phones that have been jailbroken and still have the default password set.
True, but it that is still a significant number of people from my experience. (probably about 20% of people I know with iPhones)
Anyway, I found it interesting.
Quote from: Slanket the Destroyer on November 25, 2009, 01:44:08 AM
Do you use one? What kind? How do you like it? Does it have fart apps?
Yes, iPhone, I like it, yes.
I'm still waiting for a usable release of the OpenMoko phone. :cry:
Actually, I've managed to survive without any mobile phone for about four years now. It's my own minor revolt, and becomes slightly less tenable by the day.
But if there were some sleek open source/open hardware device out there which wasn't crippled or restricted, then I'd be on that.. and I'm happy to wait in the meantime.
Quote from: Rumckle on November 25, 2009, 05:18:25 AM
True, but it that is still a significant number of people from my experience. (probably about 20% of people I know with iPhones)
Anyway, I found it interesting.
Well, sure but that's not Apple's fault specifically ;-)
I have the crackberry from work which is OK, I will be picking up an Android at some point in the near future to replace this personal crappy phone I currently have.
I also have mastered leaving my Crackberry by the door when I get home, I can hear pages, but ignore everything else... it is good.
I have a red blackberry curve, and I love it. Although, it must be said that somehow it set my dressage trainer's cell number on speed dial, and calls her every time I forget to turn on keylock. Plus, just last week I was going for a babysitting interview, and the damn GPS directed me into the middle of a business park.
My treo 755 never buttdialed anyone, despite the touch-screen, however it did not have gps at all, and the internet was fail.
Quote from: Slanket the Destroyer on November 25, 2009, 03:16:22 AM
Quote from: Rumckle on November 25, 2009, 02:28:31 AM
No, I'm too poor. Plus, I fail to see the need for fart apps, when real ones are funnier.
But, that said, iPhones can get viruses now:
http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/iphone/malicious-copycat-iphone-virus-unleashed-20091124-je7t.html
(That'll teach self righteous apple gits)
It only affects phones that have been jailbroken and still have the default password set.
Who the hell is smart enough to jailbreak their phone but too stupid to change the password?
Oh, and I have an iPhone, not jailbroken (I could give a flying fuck about apps), and I love it. I use the internet and GPS a lot. Also it was cool at the boxcar derby, I took a video and then emailed it to my friend.
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on November 25, 2009, 07:18:39 PM
Quote from: Slanket the Destroyer on November 25, 2009, 03:16:22 AM
Quote from: Rumckle on November 25, 2009, 02:28:31 AM
No, I'm too poor. Plus, I fail to see the need for fart apps, when real ones are funnier.
But, that said, iPhones can get viruses now:
http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/iphone/malicious-copycat-iphone-virus-unleashed-20091124-je7t.html
(That'll teach self righteous apple gits)
It only affects phones that have been jailbroken and still have the default password set.
Who the hell is smart enough to jailbreak their phone but too stupid to change the password?
Far too many people... thats what we get for making hacks publicly available... its so easy even morons can do it... (and they do!).
I read an article somewhere about jailbreaking iPhones where they was some unofficial survey which indicated a lot of people jailbreak the phone, but don't actually install anything that would require the phone to be broken.
:argh!: MONKEYS :argh!:
The only reason I'd jailbreak my phone would be for backgrounding, but I don't really need backgrounding that much, so I haven't bothered.
I'm thinking about picking up the Droid when my contract runs out. Full keyboard, google GPS, completely opensourced, mp3 player, and I think you might be able to call people with it as well.
Quote from: Rumckle on November 25, 2009, 05:18:25 AM
True, but it that is still a significant number of people from my experience. (probably about 20% of people I know with iPhones)
Anyway, I found it interesting.
Then tell the dumbasses to change their root password and they'll be fine.
Quote from: FP on November 25, 2009, 03:31:53 PM
I'm still waiting for a usable release of the OpenMoko phone. :cry:
Actually, I've managed to survive without any mobile phone for about four years now. It's my own minor revolt, and becomes slightly less tenable by the day.
But if there were some sleek open source/open hardware device out there which wasn't crippled or restricted, then I'd be on that.. and I'm happy to wait in the meantime.
Android seems to be the closest thing to that with WebOS, Moblin and LiMo trailing behind. I use WebOS on a Palm Pre, it's probably one of the slickest phone operating systems out there but it's still in its infancy and the Palm Pre has some build-quality issues. If they'd had built it more solidly it would be one of the best phones ever made. The sliding mechanism is kind of rickety and the stock battery sucks. After buying a 2600mAH battery (the phone lasts forever now) for it my only complaint is the crappy slider.
Hardware gripes aside, I love WebOS. The way it handles multitasking is great and the Pre's processor seems more than capable of handling it (provided I don't hack it too much and make the OS unstable... again...). The only time it seems to slow down at all is when I'm running the Pandora app and the IRC app at once (Pandora is resource intensive and IRC is still in early development). I'd bitch about it not having video recording, but now it does (PreCorder) so I guess I can't complain about that anymore. The camera on the Pre kicks all kinds of ass too, very very fast.
I used to have a Palm Centro and I loved it. It was solidly built but it wasn't as massive as the Treos. PalmOS wasn't pretty but it was fast, reliable and you could get to the app you wanted to use in 2 or 3 clicks. I would have kept it if it had decent GPS, WiFi and a good web browser. Compared to my old Centro, the Pre is definitely cooler, but it doesn't seem to have the same usability and it doesn't feel as solid. WebOS's web browser is easily one of if not the best mobile browser (the only one that even comes close is Safari on the iPhone). GPS works very well and the WiFi is probably the most efficient WiFi I've ever seen on a smartphone. I just wish the Pre's phone antenna was as good as the wireless, sometimes I have trouble with a weak signal indoors and it seems to eat up more battery than it should.
I thought about switching to the Droid but Verizon wants me to pay them $15 a month to sync with my exchange server, which is absolutely retarded because no other phone outside of the Blackberry EVER charges for exchange and Blackberry charges because they go through a proprietary service to do so. Android has no such thing and connects directly to the server. As good as their network is, I fucking hate Verizon because of their bullshit charges, high plan costs and the way they artificially cripple their phones (so they can add more bullshit charges if you want the phone uncrippled).
Quote from: LMNO on November 25, 2009, 02:02:31 PM
Quote from: Slanket the Destroyer on November 25, 2009, 01:44:08 AM
Do you use one? What kind? How do you like it? Does it have fart apps?
Yes, iPhone, I like it, yes.
How many of the apps out there are really worth it and how many are just more of the same?
I wanted to get an iPhone but the only carrier here is AT&t and they make you pay out the nose for a network that's pretty shitty in comparison to Verizon (a little cheaper) and Sprint (WAY cheaper). The 3GS is definitely the best phone I've seen so far in terms of what it can do (and if it had a physical keyboard I might even say fuck it, AT&T it is) but as it stands AT&T just isn't worth it.
I picked blackberry over Iphone since I have a hard time using the touch-screen. Didn't mind my palm treo755 because it came with the pen so I could poke the screen. But I'm ridiculously fail with Iphones.
Quote from: Slanket the Destroyer on November 26, 2009, 01:13:51 AM
I thought about switching to the Droid but Verizon wants me to pay them $15 a month to sync with my exchange server, which is absolutely retarded because no other phone outside of the Blackberry EVER charges for exchange and Blackberry charges because they go through a proprietary service to do so. Android has no such thing and connects directly to the server. As good as their network is, I fucking hate Verizon because of their bullshit charges, high plan costs and the way they artificially cripple their phones (so they can add more bullshit charges if you want the phone uncrippled).
I thought there were some aspects of Android which weren't open? Like, the provider retains the ability to disable functionality/apps? Looking at the wiki page though I don't see anything like that, so perhaps I just dreamt it?
Crippling drives me crazy, and it's the primary reason why I've held out for so long - I firmly believe that if I buy a device then I shouldn't have to outwit the provider just to get it to do what it is perfectly capable of doing.
I dunno.. I just find it hard to get excited about any of the phones out there.
With regards syncing exchange on android, do verizon actually block that traffic if you don't pay their extortion? If it's all open source, isn't there another way to do it? Encryption proxy?
Quote from: Slanket the Destroyer on November 26, 2009, 01:36:29 AM
Quote from: LMNO on November 25, 2009, 02:02:31 PM
Quote from: Slanket the Destroyer on November 25, 2009, 01:44:08 AM
Do you use one? What kind? How do you like it? Does it have fart apps?
Yes, iPhone, I like it, yes.
How many of the apps out there are really worth it and how many are just more of the same?
I wanted to get an iPhone but the only carrier here is AT&t and they make you pay out the nose for a network that's pretty shitty in comparison to Verizon (a little cheaper) and Sprint (WAY cheaper). The 3GS is definitely the best phone I've seen so far in terms of what it can do (and if it had a physical keyboard I might even say fuck it, AT&T it is) but as it stands AT&T just isn't worth it.
I heard some kind of rumor that the Apple contract with iPhone ends in July and they'll be available with other carriers after that. No idea its validity though. I guess I could look it up but I'm way too busy reading amusing blogs and posting here.
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on November 26, 2009, 08:34:50 AM
Quote from: Slanket the Destroyer on November 26, 2009, 01:36:29 AM
Quote from: LMNO on November 25, 2009, 02:02:31 PM
Quote from: Slanket the Destroyer on November 25, 2009, 01:44:08 AM
Do you use one? What kind? How do you like it? Does it have fart apps?
Yes, iPhone, I like it, yes.
How many of the apps out there are really worth it and how many are just more of the same?
I wanted to get an iPhone but the only carrier here is AT&t and they make you pay out the nose for a network that's pretty shitty in comparison to Verizon (a little cheaper) and Sprint (WAY cheaper). The 3GS is definitely the best phone I've seen so far in terms of what it can do (and if it had a physical keyboard I might even say fuck it, AT&T it is) but as it stands AT&T just isn't worth it.
I heard some kind of rumor that the Apple contract with iPhone ends in July and they'll be available with other carriers after that. No idea its validity though. I guess I could look it up but I'm way too busy reading amusing blogs and posting here.
When the iPhone first came out it was supposed to be ATT exclusive until 2010. It may very well still open up on other carriers, but chances are it won't be Verizon. Verizon and Apple have been at odds on the whole thing from the beginning. The Droid is basically Verizon's affirmation that they won't be getting the iPhone and they are going to attempt to kill it.
I have no idea why any of this is taking place.
Quote from: Slanket the Destroyer on November 26, 2009, 01:36:29 AM
Quote from: LMNO on November 25, 2009, 02:02:31 PM
Quote from: Slanket the Destroyer on November 25, 2009, 01:44:08 AM
Do you use one? What kind? How do you like it? Does it have fart apps?
Yes, iPhone, I like it, yes.
How many of the apps out there are really worth it and how many are just more of the same?
I wanted to get an iPhone but the only carrier here is AT&t and they make you pay out the nose for a network that's pretty shitty in comparison to Verizon (a little cheaper) and Sprint (WAY cheaper). The 3GS is definitely the best phone I've seen so far in terms of what it can do (and if it had a physical keyboard I might even say fuck it, AT&T it is) but as it stands AT&T just isn't worth it.
The apps I use the most are Facebook, GPS, "Around Me", Web browser, Weather Channel, ESPN, Pandora, YouTube, RSS feed reader, Epicurious, OpenTable, and iDrum.
I've found my phone useful enough to miss it when it's not around.
Quote from: LMNO on November 27, 2009, 02:13:06 PM
Quote from: Slanket the Destroyer on November 26, 2009, 01:36:29 AM
Quote from: LMNO on November 25, 2009, 02:02:31 PM
Quote from: Slanket the Destroyer on November 25, 2009, 01:44:08 AM
Do you use one? What kind? How do you like it? Does it have fart apps?
Yes, iPhone, I like it, yes.
How many of the apps out there are really worth it and how many are just more of the same?
I wanted to get an iPhone but the only carrier here is AT&t and they make you pay out the nose for a network that's pretty shitty in comparison to Verizon (a little cheaper) and Sprint (WAY cheaper). The 3GS is definitely the best phone I've seen so far in terms of what it can do (and if it had a physical keyboard I might even say fuck it, AT&T it is) but as it stands AT&T just isn't worth it.
The apps I use the most are Facebook, GPS, "Around Me", Web browser, Weather Channel, ESPN, Pandora, YouTube, RSS feed reader, Epicurious, OpenTable, and iDrum.
I've found my phone useful enough to miss it when it's not around.
Cool, guess I'm not missing out on too much since the only one of those the Pre doesn't have is iDrum and "Around Me". I do feel like I'm missing out on games though. What is "Around Me"?
StD, too lazy to google.
Quote from: FP on November 26, 2009, 05:41:06 AM
Quote from: Slanket the Destroyer on November 26, 2009, 01:13:51 AM
I thought about switching to the Droid but Verizon wants me to pay them $15 a month to sync with my exchange server, which is absolutely retarded because no other phone outside of the Blackberry EVER charges for exchange and Blackberry charges because they go through a proprietary service to do so. Android has no such thing and connects directly to the server. As good as their network is, I fucking hate Verizon because of their bullshit charges, high plan costs and the way they artificially cripple their phones (so they can add more bullshit charges if you want the phone uncrippled).
I thought there were some aspects of Android which weren't open? Like, the provider retains the ability to disable functionality/apps? Looking at the wiki page though I don't see anything like that, so perhaps I just dreamt it?
Crippling drives me crazy, and it's the primary reason why I've held out for so long - I firmly believe that if I buy a device then I shouldn't have to outwit the provider just to get it to do what it is perfectly capable of doing.
I dunno.. I just find it hard to get excited about any of the phones out there.
With regards syncing exchange on android, do verizon actually block that traffic if you don't pay their extortion? If it's all open source, isn't there another way to do it? Encryption proxy?
From what I understand, the only way they can do anything with an app is if it's installed through the official app store. If you install it on your own they can't touch it.
I would guess that it's just some flag on Verizon's modified OS and if you went into the code and commented it out, they would not be able to tell. I imagine that someone will eventually make a hack that circumvents Verizon's horseshit (and that's assuming they haven't already). If they made a 3rd party app that worked all by itself I don't see how they could tell what you were doing unless they actually started actively monitoring your activity (which takes effort and money and risks alienating their customers). It would be the same as when people use PDAnet on their phones - unless you do something stupid (like eat up 10 gigs of data streaming video or downloading torrents), you'll probably never be caught.
As it stands though, I don't really see any compelling reason to go through the trouble of paying or getting out of my early termination fee for Sprint to get a Motorola Droid. The Pre is far from perfect, but it's good enough for me at the moment. There will be plenty of other Android phones coming out in the next year or two and something is eventually going to put the Moto Droid to shame. We might see some pleasant surprises from Palm too.
From what I've heard about the iPhone, it looks like it will definitely end up on other U.S. carriers. The question is when. It was supposed to be some time in 2010 and I seem to remember hearing rumors about a CDMA iPhone (Verizon and Sprint both use CDMA networks), but I'm not holding my breath.
For those of you stoked about android (and WinMo... meh...):
http://www.slashgear.com/8-10-acer-smartphones-in-2010-more-balanced-between-android-and-winmo-2764542/
...and that's just one company. Other computer companies are also slated to release android phones in addition to the normal mobile phone companies.
Quote from: Slanket the Destroyer on November 27, 2009, 09:42:17 PM
Quote from: LMNO on November 27, 2009, 02:13:06 PM
Quote from: Slanket the Destroyer on November 26, 2009, 01:36:29 AM
Quote from: LMNO on November 25, 2009, 02:02:31 PM
Quote from: Slanket the Destroyer on November 25, 2009, 01:44:08 AM
Do you use one? What kind? How do you like it? Does it have fart apps?
Yes, iPhone, I like it, yes.
How many of the apps out there are really worth it and how many are just more of the same?
I wanted to get an iPhone but the only carrier here is AT&t and they make you pay out the nose for a network that's pretty shitty in comparison to Verizon (a little cheaper) and Sprint (WAY cheaper). The 3GS is definitely the best phone I've seen so far in terms of what it can do (and if it had a physical keyboard I might even say fuck it, AT&T it is) but as it stands AT&T just isn't worth it.
The apps I use the most are Facebook, GPS, "Around Me", Web browser, Weather Channel, ESPN, Pandora, YouTube, RSS feed reader, Epicurious, OpenTable, and iDrum.
I've found my phone useful enough to miss it when it's not around.
Cool, guess I'm not missing out on too much since the only one of those the Pre doesn't have is iDrum and "Around Me". I do feel like I'm missing out on games though. What is "Around Me"?
StD, too lazy to google.
It locates your position, and then shows you various pubs, theatres, bus stops, clubs, schools, ATMs, gas stations, taxis, etc, and how to get there.
Ah ok, there's a couple of apps like that for WebOS too. I usually just use google though. Have you ever tried BlockChalk? It's kind of like twitter but it's location based.
YOU'RE PHONES ARE FULL OF STUPID.
I have a blackberry.
I make phonecalls with it.
and when I get phonecalls it plays Heaving Earth Lava #1.
Thats about all I know.
I no longer seem to have my iPhone.
I don't know exactly what happened, except that I think I may have thrown it. Somewhere. Oh dear.
Try calling it with your ph-oh wait... :(
Found it.
And on it, the horrible things I texted.
Luckily, all is forgiven.
I spent an extended amount of time on my friend's motorola droid today and I think I like it better than both the Pre and the iPhone. Seriously thinking about getting one and selling my Pre.
I have T-mobile's "mytouch" with google android.
I have been using it for almost three months and absolutely love it. It runs very well, google has given it great functionality, and t-mobile, as far as I know, has not restricted any apps. Even if they did the android allows for apps to be installed outside of the app market, so no app can be blacklisted like they are for the iphone.
Many of the things released for the phone by either google or third parties are excellent. I used a few RSS services, a TED talks app, Pandora, a book reader, a wordpress updated, and a note taker most frequently.
It also works great just as a phone. Very happy with it. Also T-mobile's unlimited data plan is not overly expensive.
I have a love-hate relationship with my iPhone. I'm not an Apple person, but my husband's gone over to the dark side and has now bought not only iPhones but a Macbook as well. I just hate the disconnect between my PC and laptop and the iPhone technology. It sucks. And I've had to replace the hardware TWICE. I am going to re-up my warranty for this purpose alone, even though we get free phone upgrades with our contract in 6 mos.
I do miss it when I don't have it, I just am too lazy and full of fail to master the damned thing. I do love the apps in general, though.
http://www.htc.com/us/products/droid-eris-verizon#tech-specs
HTC busting out a Smartphone for She What Done It All...
Does anyone really want a piece of electronics that invokes Her?
Quote from: Jenne on December 09, 2009, 07:02:19 PM
I have a love-hate relationship with my iPhone. I'm not an Apple person, but my husband's gone over to the dark side and has now bought not only iPhones but a Macbook as well. I just hate the disconnect between my PC and laptop and the iPhone technology. It sucks. And I've had to replace the hardware TWICE. I am going to re-up my warranty for this purpose alone, even though we get free phone upgrades with our contract in 6 mos.
I do miss it when I don't have it, I just am too lazy and full of fail to master the damned thing. I do love the apps in general, though.
That's something I've never thought about; I have a Mac, so I just plug my phone in and it syncs and charges. I really appreciate when technology just sort of works, and I don't have to fuck around with making it work.
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on December 10, 2009, 03:55:51 PM
I really appreciate when technology just sort of works, and I don't have to fuck around with making it work.
If technology didn't consistently fail to "just work", then I'd be out of a job.
Hang on, that's kinda depressing actually.
I don't need a smart phone.
I just want the people that call me to be smart.
If you had a smartphone you could blacklist people who are not smart.
Also, if any of you have Android or Apple phones (coming to WebOS soon), check this out:
Augmented Reality
http://layar.com/
Trying to score an android, so that I can actually start debugging the AR app I started three or four years ago. It would be super-expensive to actually use it as a phone, so I don't plan to.
Quote from: Enki v. 2.0 on December 14, 2009, 05:59:47 PM
Trying to score an android, so that I can actually start debugging the AR app I started three or four years ago. It would be super-expensive to actually use it as a phone, so I don't plan to.
AR app?
Augmented Reality app. The idea right now is simple: use the internal GPS, compass, and three-access accelerometer to determine the position and orientation of the camera on the phone, look for 3d objects in the current 'skin' that would be visible, and put them in the place configured and at the size and orientation determined from the phone's gps, compass, and accelerometer readings, with a transparency level based on distance. In this way, you can 'skin' reality, by sticking three-dimensional images on top of the camera preview of real reality.
You know, even though I have very little idea of what you just said, I prefer it immensely to when you try to be "funny".
Quote from: LMNO on December 15, 2009, 02:45:32 PM
You know, even though I have very little idea of what you just said, I prefer it immensely to when you try to be "funny".
TL;DR version:
(http://namcub.accela-labs.com/pics/washington_monument_AR.jpg)
Quote from: Enki v. 2.0 on December 14, 2009, 09:04:04 PM
Augmented Reality app. The idea right now is simple: use the internal GPS, compass, and three-access accelerometer to determine the position and orientation of the camera on the phone, look for 3d objects in the current 'skin' that would be visible, and put them in the place configured and at the size and orientation determined from the phone's gps, compass, and accelerometer readings, with a transparency level based on distance. In this way, you can 'skin' reality, by sticking three-dimensional images on top of the camera preview of real reality.
It reminds me a bit of an article which went through slashdot a few weeks back about software which constructed and tweaked a point-cloud in real time then skinned that with textures obtained from the raw video - this was on a regular desktop machine. But presumably you'd need to solve some of the same problems but on a slower processor?
Quote from: FP on December 15, 2009, 03:16:03 PM
Quote from: Enki v. 2.0 on December 14, 2009, 09:04:04 PM
Augmented Reality app. The idea right now is simple: use the internal GPS, compass, and three-access accelerometer to determine the position and orientation of the camera on the phone, look for 3d objects in the current 'skin' that would be visible, and put them in the place configured and at the size and orientation determined from the phone's gps, compass, and accelerometer readings, with a transparency level based on distance. In this way, you can 'skin' reality, by sticking three-dimensional images on top of the camera preview of real reality.
It reminds me a bit of an article which went through slashdot a few weeks back about software which constructed and tweaked a point-cloud in real time then skinned that with textures obtained from the raw video - this was on a regular desktop machine. But presumably you'd need to solve some of the same problems but on a slower processor?
Not particularly, actually. The android java environment has a couple really interesting features: specifically, you can make a transparent content pane layered on top of an existing content pane, and you can draw openGL objects on any pane. More or less, I'm just taking the camera preview app, sticking a transparent pane over it, and drawing openGL objects on that transparent pane. The real work is determining what GPS coordinates would be in the range of the camera based on GPS coordinates, the compass, and the rotation of the phone (from the accelerometer) and how much to scale them -- and doing so without using a lot of division (since ARM chips lack hardware division).
EDIT: Realized I didn't quite answer your question.
I'm going
way out of my way to avoid trying to do any processing with a raw live video stream. It will be messy to code (I don't know enough about image recognition to do it sanely), and it will be quite slow. Without it, I can map 3d objects on top of 'real' objects reasonably well -- probably some jitters, and if the compass or accelerometer glitches or the GPS loses accessibility you will probably get some artifacts -- but it will be far faster, and much easier to code. We'll see if it's 'good enough' when I own a device and test it out -- it
might cause VR sickness in some situations.
Quote from: Enki v. 2.0 on December 14, 2009, 09:04:04 PM
Augmented Reality app. The idea right now is simple: use the internal GPS, compass, and three-access accelerometer to determine the position and orientation of the camera on the phone, look for 3d objects in the current 'skin' that would be visible, and put them in the place configured and at the size and orientation determined from the phone's gps, compass, and accelerometer readings, with a transparency level based on distance. In this way, you can 'skin' reality, by sticking three-dimensional images on top of the camera preview of real reality.
You could probably get a relatively cheap used HTC G1 these days.
Yep, BAM:
http://www.google.com/product_url?q=http://tracking.dotcells.com/cell_phones/49f63b0e9f74f/6aa9544c.html%3Fdata1%3DHTC_G1%2520Android_Black_UN_1&fr=AG541GWVcHmkId8VTSCwkTXhl48ks-YQQT9GocfKr8El7e_ZdSenmt4JX4nEX-mwlAnGb14dz9xqKVF5iAVtynu6VBdnkcRn6mAC3HJrFxAC1y8ujyyuMYjLNWO1buDitXA-p_ANh_Jlz-OdaQaleYKJWW1mOZIwTdMvOeLa7-mNGmk6if45rhVhS3tsCEZU6yj63E--FPceAAAAAAAAAAA&gl=us&hl=en&sa=title
(http://androgeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/middle-east-western-us-citieis-3g-speed-performancel.gif)
looks like someone has never heard of the visual wonder of a thing called a "bar chart" ...
...is that like a chart about drinking?
Resistive screens poised to make a big come-back?
http://mobileosnews.com/?p=1223
I have an ipod touch, jailbroke it, and love it. Except that it isn't that good at picking up faint wi-fi signals, and free games kill the battery and generally stink.
Cool thing is that when I do have wi-fi, it does skype. I plan to get a headset for it eventually.
Felix: You can actually get some headsets for pretty cheap. Like under $20.
Also, stand by for a comically bad comparison chart:
(http://images.pcworld.com//news/graphics/185741-droid_v_nexus_chart_original.jpg)
Why is that a bad chart?
Wife got a new phone gifted for Christmas. Locked down cheap piece of crap. Grrr. I dunno, I realise I have an abnormal anger with regards technology which some bastards have put in extra effort to lock down and prevent me from using the equipment I own to its full potential.
But anyway, I want a smartphone I can do anything with, even if I end up being too busy/lazy to do anything other than make calls with it. So the comparison chart is interesting as android looks like it could be the way to go for me - depending on the level of openness.
There are a lot of really jizzerific toys out lately, but I'll wait for 2011 to think about buying a really real smartphone. Just because I want AR to be more mature at first impressions, and I cannot abide low-res phone cameras any longer.
Um can't you go to some shady place and have a Turkish dude unlock it for you for ten bucks or so?
Granted, it's still too much cause it costs them absolutely zilch once you know the codes, but it's a lot less hassle than googling it for yourself.
Or are American phones not so easily unlocked?
Huh?
I have an iTouch. It doesn't have real phone tools, or even a camera. It's already jailbroken. A monkey could do it, but it can only do VOIP, and even then only over wifi.
I meant locked down in the sense of not being able to install my own OS/applications upon it, without having to worry about the carrier getting pissy and terminating my account, etc. Though I'm so out of the loop that I'm probably using the terminology incorrectly.
yeah, what does locked vs unlocked mean? humor me, my cell phone is basically a brick with some numbers drawn on, but I am pricing smartphones
Unlocked means it has been altered to allow unapproved apps to be intstalled.
I got a new iPhone just last month, a little 8gig baby but it suits me fine. Not jailbroken I fear the celluarial repo man too much.
Quote from: Felix on January 04, 2010, 12:47:33 AM
Unlocked means it has been altered to allow unapproved apps to be intstalled.
I internetted it. Unlocking is to do with freeing it to be used with any carrier, and jailbreaking is allowing any apps to be installed - possibly, but not definitely, including a new operating system.
An "open phone" would be something that you could do anything on. I was involved very peripherally with OpenMoko at the start - that was open source all the way, and even the hardware specs were open, not a single binary blob anywhere - not even the GPS or GSM code was locked. All in all, it's a shame it still isn't ready/polished/stable enough to be used as a primary phone.
Quote from: Ratssinis on January 04, 2010, 01:54:56 AM
I got a new iPhone just last month, a little 8gig baby but it suits me fine. Not jailbroken I fear the celluarial repo man too much.
A lot of iPhones are jailbroken, I saw a 5-8% estimate. Large enough that Apple probably won't cripple them due to the PR fallout.
Quote from: FP on January 04, 2010, 02:25:38 AM
Quote from: Felix on January 04, 2010, 12:47:33 AM
Unlocked means it has been altered to allow unapproved apps to be intstalled.
I internetted it. Unlocking is to do with freeing it to be used with any carrier, and jailbreaking is allowing any apps to be installed - possibly, but not definitely, including a new operating system.
That sounds about right.
My simple Samsung phone (plays mp3s, crappy camera, alarm+calender function, bluetooth) is unlocked but not jailbroken.
I wanted to try if I could run Java apps on it. Apparently it has the JVM to run Java [a few of the games it came with are in Java], and you can upload files to it using bluetooth but once the java app is on the phone there is no way to run it :) Think of it as having a windows file explorer that allows you to view photos and play mp3s but not doubleclick on any other application icons :)
So I googled on how to fix that.
Which is why I have respect for those Morrocans unlocking my phones, all those "codez" forums talking about this shit are a complete mess of kiddos begging for how to unlock their shit and it takes ages of browsing before you collect any useful information. I still think E10 is kind of much for something that is really simple once you know how to do it (you dont even need special hardware, usually), so I usually try to barter E15 to unlock two of them [easy enough if there's 3 of those shops in the same street].
Anyway it appears that if you download some tools to go lowlevel on the bluetooth connection, and then you use some special java diagnostic code *#JAVATEST* you can upload a .jar archive and get it to run. Except I haven't managed to pull it off but the fact that I do get into some special java test menu tells me that there's probably a solution there.
However when that didn't work after a few tries I was like fuck it, it's just simple java apps I can live without those. This thing makes phone calls and that's pretty cool.
Logitech android phone? My dick just twitched:
http://www.electronista.com/articles/10/01/04/job.posting.seeks.android.developer/
So I just found an app called Urban Spoon:
(http://www.androidcentral.com/sites/androidcentral.com/files/articleimage/Phil%20Nickinson/2010/02/Urbanspoon%20QR%20code.png)
You specify location, food type, and price range and then shake your phone. Your phone then spits out a food suggestion along with the establishment's rating, an address you can navigate to and their phone number. Seems like winsauce for any food dilemma.
So far it's available for Android and OS X Mobile. Scan the QR code if you've got an Android phone or search for it in the Market/App Store.
Quote from: Annabel the Destroyer on February 15, 2010, 12:28:14 AM
So I just found an app called Urban Spoon:
(http://www.androidcentral.com/sites/androidcentral.com/files/articleimage/Phil%20Nickinson/2010/02/Urbanspoon%20QR%20code.png)
You specify location, food type, and price range and then shake your phone. Your phone then spits out a food suggestion along with the establishment's rating, an address you can navigate to and their phone number. Seems like winsauce for any food dilemma.
So far it's available for Android and OS X Mobile. Scan the QR code if you've got an Android phone or search for it in the Market/App Store.
LOVE Urbanspoon, but I'm finding AroundMe is my newest love of app's--over Yelp that is.
Quote from: Ratssinis on January 04, 2010, 01:54:56 AM
I got a new iPhone just last month, a little 8gig baby but it suits me fine. Not jailbroken I fear the celluarial repo man too much.
My husband jailbroke his only to put it back about a week later. Instead of an apple, it had a pineapple when you turned it on/off. That made me :lol:
So uh, how bout that new nexus one? Looks neat.
If I had to get a phone right now, it'd be my choice. Though I still pine for a phone I can get root on, without voiding the warranty. :argh!:
If the Nexus 1 had a keyboard, I'd go for it.
AFAIK, rooting any Android phone will not void any warranties. Same goes for WebOS phones.
The only phone that you break the warranty by doing this is the iPhone.
Speaking of root:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/16/nokia-n900-gets-new-firmware-new-games-coming-too-video/
^this might be the phone that interests you. Maemo is another Linux-based mobile OS and Nokia is very hack friendly.
http://games.slashdot.org/story/10/02/25/0548259/Quake-3-For-Android
Squeee!
http://www.uquery.com/apps/303473157-beardme
http://www.slatetechpdx.com/kallisti.php
SWYPE is going to be all kinds of awesome:
http://www.androidcentral.com/interview-swype-keyboard-android-smartphones-ctia
Quote from: FP on January 04, 2010, 02:25:38 AM
Quote from: Felix on January 04, 2010, 12:47:33 AM
Unlocked means it has been altered to allow unapproved apps to be intstalled.
I internetted it. Unlocking is to do with freeing it to be used with any GSM carrier, and jailbreaking is allowing any apps to be installed - possibly, but not definitely, including a new operating system.
An "open phone" would be something that you could do anything on. I was involved very peripherally with OpenMoko at the start - that was open source all the way, and even the hardware specs were open, not a single binary blob anywhere - not even the GPS or GSM code was locked. All in all, it's a shame it still isn't ready/polished/stable enough to be used as a primary phone.
Fixed. The iPhone is GSM only at this point which means in the states you can only use it on AT&T and T-Mobile. Verizon and Sprint at CDMA, which requires a different hardware transmitter/receiver.
Installing a new OS on the iPhone (based on my installing OSes on other phones) may not actually require you to jailbreak. You might just overwrite everything. That said, there aren't any OSes aside from OS X mobile that will work with the iPhone's hardware. Keep in mind that I just do this for fun and have no professional training so take what I say with a grain of salt.
...speaking of other OSes on iPhones:
http://androidandme.com/2010/04/news/android-brings-new-life-to-old-iphones/
Also,
http://alldroid.org/wordpress/?p=447 :fap:
Dell making something awesome? :fap:
So with my contract renewal and other discounts I can get the spankin' new HTC Incredible for $150. I think thats reasonable, considering I could replace my mp3 player, phone, and get a GPS by doing so. But the problem I have is the extra $30/mo for data. With the lowest plan on Verizon that brings my monthly cell phone bill to $70-$80/mo. I'm not sure I can justify it, never mind afford it.
The Incredible supposedly lives up to its name though. It's replacing the Nexus One for Verizon release and the reviews I've seen are more positive than Droid and Nexus One.
The Incredible is definitely a kickass phone from what I have seen, but I'm sticking with my Droid simply because fuck touchscreen keyboards. If that's not a big deal to you, it's the best phone out there right now.