It seems PD.com posters are not the only people with an unreasonable fascination with Lady Gaga. So do philosophers
http://naughtthought.wordpress.com/2009/10/07/the-splendid-rot-of-fame/
QuoteIn one of her Warholesque short films used on her most recent tour, Lady Gaga mentions that after being eviscerated (and the organs consumed) by the monster known as Pop what remains is not an emptiness but a freedom and a desire for the fame. The immediate image one draws up is a Schreber-like insanity where ones insides are filled with bright rays but not of the sun but of a purified desire, not be to be famous (being itself is too cumbersome) but to want fame as an object.
Lady Gaga's approach to pop clearly recognizes the double short circuit of fame – the short circuit of the meaningless and the meaningfull and the short circuit between the intentional and the accidental. This two procedures are carried out by LG in her simple act of going crazy before she actually did – where the popular psychological explanation of the odd behaviors of celebrities (Spears' shaved head, MJ's everything, and any other eccentricity) is often that fame got to them, LG simply smashes the two together – the pursuit of fame itself is maddening and always already mad. Gaga's performance at the most recent VMAs is telling – as she bled out in one performance and in another appeared as a vaguely Burtonesque red queen.]
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A true icon of the post-everything century.
Meh, I don't see the fascination.
Everything she does has been done better already.
Quote from: Hoopla on December 21, 2009, 05:17:59 PM
Meh, I don't see the fascination.
Everything she does has been done better already.
Out of curiosity, by whom?
Quote from: LMNO on December 21, 2009, 06:07:53 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on December 21, 2009, 05:17:59 PM
Meh, I don't see the fascination.
Everything she does has been done better already.
Out of curiosity, by whom?
Off the top of my head, I would say David Bowie and Grace Jones to start.
Mind you, I feel I should state I have nothing against Lady Gaga, I just don't understand the hype. I've yet to hear a song from her that I thought was at all catchy, and that's what the worth of a musician is to me.
Quote from: Hoopla on December 21, 2009, 06:33:02 PM
Mind you, I feel I should state I have nothing against Lady Gaga, I just don't understand the hype. I've yet to hear a song from her that I thought was at all catchy, and that's what the worth of a musician is to me.
Music? THIS IS POMO!!
It's all about image. She's not selling records, she's selling a persona.
-toa,
has a poke-her face
Quote from: the other anonymous on December 21, 2009, 06:44:31 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on December 21, 2009, 06:33:02 PM
Mind you, I feel I should state I have nothing against Lady Gaga, I just don't understand the hype. I've yet to hear a song from her that I thought was at all catchy, and that's what the worth of a musician is to me.
Music? THIS IS POMO!!
It's all about image. She's not selling records, she's selling a persona.
-toa,
has a poke-her face
Well, I'm not buying.
While the songs musically are pretty much simple Dance songs, her lyrics can be interesting. Plus, she has flat-out said that the songs are only the first step, with the videos and live performances being meta-commentary and transgressive subversion.
But, if you're just looking for superb musicianship, you probably won't like it.
For what it's worth, she doesn't lip-synch, so that could be a point in her favor.
Quote from: LMNO on December 21, 2009, 06:52:12 PM
For what it's worth, she doesn't lip-synch, so that could be a point in her favor.
Well that's a plus. I'll give her another try.
Quote from: Hoopla on December 21, 2009, 06:45:48 PM
Quote from: the other anonymous on December 21, 2009, 06:44:31 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on December 21, 2009, 06:33:02 PM
Mind you, I feel I should state I have nothing against Lady Gaga, I just don't understand the hype. I've yet to hear a song from her that I thought was at all catchy, and that's what the worth of a musician is to me.
Music? THIS IS POMO!!
It's all about image. She's not selling records, she's selling a persona.
-toa,
has a poke-her face
Well, I'm not buying.
SOCIALIST!!! WHY DO YUO HATE
AMERICAN POP CULTURE!??
-toa,
support our dupes
Quote from: Hoopla on December 21, 2009, 06:53:14 PM
Quote from: LMNO on December 21, 2009, 06:52:12 PM
For what it's worth, she doesn't lip-synch, so that could be a point in her favor.
Well that's a plus. I'll give her another try.
My advice would to watch her videos or live performances, not just the mp3s. Also, it helps if you gay it up a little bit.
Quote from: the other anonymous on December 21, 2009, 06:54:11 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on December 21, 2009, 06:45:48 PM
Quote from: the other anonymous on December 21, 2009, 06:44:31 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on December 21, 2009, 06:33:02 PM
Mind you, I feel I should state I have nothing against Lady Gaga, I just don't understand the hype. I've yet to hear a song from her that I thought was at all catchy, and that's what the worth of a musician is to me.
Music? THIS IS POMO!!
It's all about image. She's not selling records, she's selling a persona.
-toa,
has a poke-her face
Well, I'm not buying.
SOCIALIST!!! WHY DO YUO HATE AMERICAN POP CULTURE!??
-toa,
support our dupes
Do you know anything about me?
Quote from: Hoopla on December 21, 2009, 07:03:44 PM
Do you know anything about me?
Since this is a philosophy thread, I have to ask if any of us can ever really know anything?
-toa,
needs to pay more attention
Quote from: the other anonymous on December 21, 2009, 07:06:25 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on December 21, 2009, 07:03:44 PM
Do you know anything about me?
Since this is a philosophy thread, I have to ask if any of us can ever really know anything?
-toa,
needs to pay more attention
Yes, I know you are fucking annoying. End of Discussion.
Quote from: Hoopla on December 21, 2009, 07:11:02 PM
Quote from: the other anonymous on December 21, 2009, 07:06:25 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on December 21, 2009, 07:03:44 PM
Do you know anything about me?
Since this is a philosophy thread, I have to ask if any of us can ever really know anything?
-toa,
needs to pay more attention
Yes, I know you are fucking annoying. End of Discussion.
You're right. I need a better persona, this one ain't selling.
-toa,
has brand recognition
(http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/4668/thispleasesgaga.jpg)
Yet another thread tooboxed by TOA.
And just when LMNO and Hoopla's discussion looked to be going somewhere, too.
It was interesting, I used to dislike Lady Gaga for reasons beyond thought.
But after observing her, I love her persona. I even find her music refreshing
She's done many things which make you question her -
One of my favourites is that she was doing a concert and said "I hear you muslims have big ones. Ok guys get your cocks out!" ~ Something along those lines.
Oh and also when asked if she has a penis - "my beautiful vagina is offended"
Is she really a Discord? Well she should be!
Would they buy it if someone sent the papers that Lady Gaga is a Discordian? (That could be a GASM :P) .. she did write a song about Discordia.
And its not too hard to believe either
I was interested by LG for a short period while I thought there was something "to get" in the message she puts out there. But I now think she's inviting her audience to lo5 her and attribute increasingly deeper meanings and "messages" where really you just have some fine showmanship. Now this is only maintainable when you uphold the "limited interaction/personal information exchange" model we traditionally impose on all celebrities - if she tweeted and blogged every last mundane detail of her life and demonstrated a knowledge of the symbolism which didn't extend very far other than the aesthetic, then would she not lose that "mysterious" or "WTF?" image she has built?
Although sometimes I wonder how much of it is there to intentionally tease/mislead and provoke an older mindset to seek deeper meaning or be offended, a nod/in-joke to a younger mindset which hasn't had all the "for the fun of it" drilled out yet and which can be entertained without needing to know why.
I saw her on the VMA awards (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ec4j24d6yQ). For a couple of minutes she made pretty consumerised fluff look ugly.
:mittens:
I hope she never does decide to Tweet or Bog, yes she has built up a very powerful image of mysteriousness. What the hell lurks underneath those psycho clothes? So far - a hermaphrodite nymphomaniac that only likes big dick.
Quote from: NotPublished on December 21, 2009, 09:35:14 PM
I hope she never does decide to Tweet or Bog, yes she has built up a very powerful image of mysteriousness. What the hell lurks underneath those psycho clothes? So far - a hermaphrodite nymphomaniac that only likes big dick.
So far as you know.
Oops, thats what I was ment to add in.
She is damn graceful and LOVES rumours by the looks of it. I think that in itself show a strong personality that she could have.
Quote from: NotPublished on December 21, 2009, 09:22:19 PM
she did write a song about Discordia.
wtf are you talking about?
Quote from: JohNyx on December 22, 2009, 12:11:58 AM
Quote from: NotPublished on December 21, 2009, 09:22:19 PM
she did write a song about Discordia.
wtf are you talking about?
Your right, what the fuck am I talking about. Cheers on that
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on December 21, 2009, 09:32:43 PM
I saw her on the VMA awards (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ec4j24d6yQ). For a couple of minutes she made pretty consumerised fluff look ugly.
:mittens:
She was the ritual sacrifice!
http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=2191 :lol:
You posted a link and now I want to kill every man woman and child on the face of this fucking planet.
I hope you're pleased with yourself :argh!:
There's a link off there to "Lady Gaga, the Illuminati Puppet" :lulz:
http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=1676
I LOVE the internet.
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on December 22, 2009, 11:07:20 AM
You posted a link and now I want to kill every man woman and child on the face of this fucking planet.
I hope you're pleased with yourself :argh!:
Oh it wasn't that before?
Also blame Iason i found the site from him.
Quote from: Darth Cupcake on December 22, 2009, 03:58:54 PM
There's a link off there to "Lady Gaga, the Illuminati Puppet" :lulz:
http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=1676
I LOVE the internet.
Lol, yeah she's apparently a Monarch Child :lol:
We are all children of the monarch.
Quote from: phode on December 22, 2009, 08:36:39 PM
We are all children of the monarch.
Ooh! Can I be Dr. Mrs. The Other Woman?