So, I dont know if anyone has heard of the zero-point energy generator or whatever its called. Its some magnetic generator that is "SUPPOSED" (big quotes) to generate more energy than it needs to run itself, providing free energy or whatever. Anyway, its called Magniwork, and I have the pdf, its right here...
http://rapidshare.de/files/48898391/lycotree.pdf.html
Someone mentioned that they were an engineer somewhere, I tried to find the post so I could just emai the link, but then I thought there are probably more people who may be interested. I would just like someone with some knowledge of electrical systems to give it a look and tell me if its bullshit. Sounds like bullshit, but, you never know, I guess...
Ah yeah that thing, it would totally revolutionize human technology and culture as well as solve all our energy problems for the generations to come. Unfortunately the project is being silenced by the radical arm of the eco-lobby as they just made a deal with the manufacturers of fairy-powered reactors.
1. High Weirdness board.
2. Can't read it right now, but I presume it assumes you can get energy from permanent magnets without consuming them.
Oh, permanent-magnet motors, where were we before people started believing in you?
3. I think zero-point energy is just used as a buzzword, if it's just a permanent magnet motor.
Fairy-powered engines. :x
Thats what this thing is. And with my VERY limited knowledge of these things, it seems it just uses magnets to spin the generator around. You just need a spark to turn it over, and you're golden. So, it would work, then?
Permanent magnet motors end up either being god bearings or good brakes. They don't work for the purpose their designers expect them to.
magnetism = cool and weird and may someday give us awesomest tech
this = perpetual motion machine
So I guess solar panels and batteries are still the closest you can get to free electricity. That technology seems to be getting a little cheaper at least, and more efficient.
Also, I read somewhere that zero-point energy was impossible because it was the lowest point and so there would be no energy to use. Otherwise violate the laws of thermodynamics or something.
Quote from: yhnmzw on December 27, 2009, 04:10:43 AM
Permanent magnet motors end up either being god bearings or good brakes. They don't work for the purpose their designers expect them to.
TITCM. Magnet motors are interesting but you can't do anything with them other than looking cool. As soon as you try to do any work with them friction/heat brings the thing to a grinding halt. There's no such thing as a free lunch (except for solar power and that still sucks).
I think the technology is available to wire up your house with solar panels though, right? I've heard they can generate enough electricity to make your meter run backwards at some points. You would probably need batteries to store the electricity generated form the panels, and Im still thinking it would be in the neighborhood of about 10 grand or more, for a 2-3 bedroom house.
I seem to have heard closer to twenty or thirty thousand dollars.
Also, you don't need batteries if you're staying on the grid, i.e., YOU HAVE A METER. You just sell your extra energy to the power company...
Protip:
Home Power Magazine.
for practical up to date info on all your home power generation questions. Solar, hydro, geothermal, etc.
"Zero point" generators are crap. EOT.
What I gather from the technobabble is that it's magnet/flywheel based, with the magnets pulsing on/off.
Basically,
Battery -> Variable Magnet -> Flywheel -> Battery.
The theory is that since the magnet only pulses half the time, and the flywheel is always turning, then it is creating more energy than it is losing.
But that's not the case. Conservation of Energy wins.
IIR, Mythbusters kicked this one in the balls.
Quote from: BAI on December 29, 2009, 05:02:47 AM
http://www.steorn.com/orbo/
this ones on demo in Ireland.
Shame they wont say how it works. And that the demonstration is not doing nothing we could fap out with a 9v battery some magnets and a little copper ring or three for some wireless power antics.
Next Week @ Waterways visitor center, Psychic Surgery & Snake Oil Sale!
Oh yeah, those guys. The Skeptic's Guide to the Universe does an update about them every 9 months or so. For instance:
http://www.theness.com/neurologicablog/?p=1362
QuoteWell – Steorn is back in the news again with a slick ad campaign and fresh promises about a demonstration. This video by Steorn pushes me in the direction of concluding the latter – that Steorn knows exactly what they are doing.
Rather than addressing the concerns of their critics, they have chosen to mock them – ironically embracing the terms used to mock Steorn's claims. It's a clever gambit – too clever, if you know what I mean. For example, they show their Orbo engine happily spinning away, and then quotes from critics calling the technology "fairy-powered" and "powered by blarney." It is a version of the Galileo gambit – trying to make it seem as if those who are criticizing your pseudoscience are simply blind to your visionary genius. Michio Kaku says Orbo is a "fraud", but here it is "working."
Nice try, Steorn.
The bottom line is the same – generate demonstrable usable energy, or there is no other reasonable conclusion than your technology is a fraud. Showing a motor spinning is useless, until independent scientists can satisfy themselves that the motor is truly over-unity – that all sources and outputs of energy have been accounted for.
After viewing Steorn's explanation of the technology, I am totally underwhelmed. It's just another magnet scheme – really, Steorn, that's it? Magnets? They hook up a motor to a battery. The battery spins the motor, which they also hook up to a generator, which returns some of the energy back to the battery. Wow. This is not even an original free energy scam. This is old-school nonsense in slick new packaging. And yet they would have us believe that this simple scheme has somehow broken the laws of physics.
Thanks everyone, thats exactly why I posted the link. I appreciate all of your insights. It sounds like a great idea, and I had a feeling that if it was a plausible device then why arent there more of them or whatever, why isnt EVERYONE using them...
So, this just brings me to another question; has anyone heard of the Tesla electric motor that Tesla supposedly invented and took to an oval track. He then proceeded to attach the small generator to the engine of a car somehow, and this device apparently worked by picking up ambient electricity in the air and atmosphere around the car, using this electricity to propel it. Then he got mad for some reason, took his toys and went home, and no one has ever been able to repeat his results. Does that ring any bells?
RF interference.
X-ray generation. Or maybe that's fluorescent lights.
From what I gather (i.e. I haven't read up on it recently), the Tesla thing works, but it's not an over unity device because it relies on a transmitter to provide the power. But I'm not sure if that's the question you were asking.
Ok, a quick search shows that wireless energy transfer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_energy_transfer) is indeed possible, and technologies are still being developed.
Quote from: LMNO on January 04, 2010, 03:17:22 PM
Ok, a quick search shows that wireless energy transfer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_energy_transfer) is indeed possible, and technologies are still being developed.
well duh, its what a lightbulb and a solar panel will do.
the trick is to make it efficient.
inductive charging of device batteries are slated to be ubiquitous within the next couple of years. (available on a few early adopter models already, i thought...)
that's wireless power.
in a similar manner, my foot up your ass is also wireless energy transfer.
:lol: :| :?
Quote from: Iptuous on January 05, 2010, 01:29:04 PM
inductive charging of device batteries are slated to be ubiquitous within the next couple of years. (available on a few early adopter models already, i thought...)
that's wireless power.
That's what Tesla said, about a century ago :(
Quote from: Iptuous on January 05, 2010, 02:14:50 PM
:lol: :| :?
Ok unless you count shoelaces, perhaps.
But they have velcro for that!
Oh...
Ok.
For a bit I thought there was actual antagonism, which didn't seem to fit...
Well, if the shoe fits ...
regardless of whether it fits or not the prospect of velcro being stuck in my ass hair is not pretty...
Quote from: Triple Zero on January 05, 2010, 04:28:45 PM
Well, if the shoe fits ...
... it probably doesn't have metal-filament laces.
Whilst I agree that over unity or zero point is pie in the sky, physics defying bullshit there's something that not a lot of people have cottoned on to. Build a device that's as close to zero point as you can get then add a solar panel and a small wind turbine to the circuit.
Bingo - free energy the cheats way.
There's a lot of real fucking efficient motors out there these days - doesn't take much to tip the balance. All perpetual motion needs is a little push :wink:
I ran this by my mate, who's into all this magnetic induction bullshit. "Yeah but that isn't genuinely zero point - you're cheating".
"The objective isn't zero-point, dumbass - it's powering my house for fuck-all"
The problem as I see it is that these generators use their energy to feed the battery that powers the generator. If you try to bleed off any of that energy to power your house, you're just running off battery power.
Battery <-> Generator
Battery -> Generator -> House
While we're on the subject there was something else my mate was going on about. I think he called it a Bendini circuit or something similar (sounded like an italian trapeze act anyway)
WTF is all that about and why do these zero point freaks shoot their spooge over it?
Because if you can get over-unity, you can power your house for free.
You can do that anyway. Without the elaborate, perpetual motion bullshit.
Yeah, with like, solar panels and batteries and stuff, right? Its just fucking EXPENSIVE.
I think he means by the skill called "hacking the grid", or maybe even the subtle art of "having someone else pay for it".
Nah man, I was talking about windmills and solar panels and shit. Sure it costs moneys but offset that against the saving in utilities and it's worth it.
Yeah, I know there are methods from meter dragging with a nail to 'hacking the grid' as you put it, LMNO, but I was talking about solar panels and shit. It is pricey, but eventually pays for itself, I would imagine. I wouldn't want to do it unless I owned my own home, that's for sure. I still don't think the technology is past the charging batteries with solar panels stage, so you're really just running off a bank of really big rechargeable batteries. I don't know how efficient it is so far, but it seems like they're getting somewhere with cars recently. Ive seen a few sporty electric models lately. I just remember the only people that had solar when I was younger really just used it to heat their back yard pools. I've heard that now you can get it to where it spins your meter backwards and the electric company actually pays you for feeding the grid. You know, with solar panels and stuff.
Protip: Solar panels are free in this country. They leave them lying at the side of the road, powering speed cameras and shit. If harvesting please remember not to approach from the road or you'll get caught on camera then the price rises dramatically :wink:
camel dung batteries are cheaper the solar panels
now THAT'S a miracle.
Quote from: Pēleus on May 21, 2010, 11:32:27 AM
camel dung batteries are cheaper the solar panels
They are also quite a bit smellier.
:vom: