I suspect/hope this is the right place to ask these questions.
I would like to know the source of the yin-yang within a yin-yang on page 23
and the bit on p. 26 about when the power goes out.
'cus i like those.
thanks.
the yin yang - unsure - i probably found that image with an image search and did not note the source
perhaps some string like "fractal yin yang"
the electricity going out bit,
that's by vexati0n, from this thread:
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=11542.msg358680#msg358680
thanks!
I just wanna know what the main demographic for TBIP is... The first few pages seem to be targeting depressed teens from the early '90s. Why try to convert? If someone isn't smart enough to find their way around theology do you really give a Potter Stewart if they are walking around with a Gold Apple embossed on their Starter-brand hoodie? Not trying to flame or anything, all of hell knows I can be a prick though. I realize people worked hard on TBIP, and applaud the effort, but the number of posts on this thread may give a clue to the actual VALIDITY of the thing. I'm probably not the one to say anything beings if I'd modernize the PD I'd just write "5 tons of flax" a few times and discredit all sources in the bibliograpy
Quote from: Daego on January 13, 2010, 04:08:18 AM
I just wanna know what the main demographic for TBIP is... The first few pages seem to be targeting depressed teens from the early '90s. Why try to convert? If someone isn't smart enough to find their way around theology do you really give a Potter Stewart if they are walking around with a Gold Apple embossed on their Starter-brand hoodie? Not trying to flame or anything, all of hell knows I can be a prick though. I realize people worked hard on TBIP, and applaud the effort, but the number of posts on this thread may give a clue to the actual VALIDITY of the thing. I'm probably not the one to say anything beings if I'd modernize the PD I'd just write "5 tons of flax" a few times and discredit all sources in the bibliograpy
Interestingly, those of my friends who have reacted most positively to the BIP tend to be the older ones. Fortyish.
I still haven't read it.
And frankly, I don't see much value in the "if they're not smart enough to get it on their own, we don't want them" elitist attitude. Everyone starts from somewhere.
Quote from: Daego on January 13, 2010, 04:08:18 AM
I just wanna know what the main demographic for TBIP is... The first few pages seem to be targeting depressed teens from the early '90s. Why try to convert? If someone isn't smart enough to find their way around theology do you really give a Potter Stewart if they are walking around with a Gold Apple embossed on their Starter-brand hoodie?
from "Who Wrote This":
QuoteWhat we have observed is that the more people are able to think for themselves, the less willing they become to exhaust themselves at someone else’s command. An open-minded person is better able to see past the illusions that have this civilization headed toward what seems to be a fiery demise, and may even do something about it.
We acknowledge that it would be in everybody best interests if there were more creative and critical thinkers analyzing the situation and broadcasting their observations.
that's the real point of the BIP piece.
People joke about the darkness of the pamphlet. "What's your target audience, angsty teens?" When I read the BIP, I was out of college, and (long story short) suffering. The core idea, that you can take control of that misery, really electrified me. Maybe it didn't help you? That's okay - there are people out there that need the wake-up call.
QuoteI realize people worked hard on TBIP, and applaud the effort, but the number of posts on this thread may give a clue to the actual VALIDITY of the thing.
not really sure what the number of posts in this thread has to do with the price of tea in china.
QuoteI'm probably not the one to say anything beings if I'd modernize the PD I'd just write "5 tons of flax" a few times and discredit all sources in the bibliograpy
and if you had never read the PD before, would you read the phrase "5 tons of flax" and suddenly be electrified? would you suddenly come into accord with disorder? nah
I wasn't here when they wrote the first Black Iron Prison pamphlet, but the idea was to NOT repeat the old jokes from the
Principia. There's a great message in the Principia (a couple of them, actually), and Mal and Omar have never had a monopoly on this message. They used silliness and absurdity to present their message, but it is by no means the only possible presentation. So what other forms can the signal take?
Personally, I think there's something holy about producing original content. What better way is there to Think For Yourself, Shmuck? You're a Discordian and you're online, so you've probably noticed that most Internet Discordians don't produce much other than references to the Principia. It's like hanging out with Monty Python fans who can only repeatedly quote the Holy Grail and the Life of Brian until they've sucked all the fun out of it. I feel like the same thing is happening to the Principia - a lot of Discordians are married to this one document, and it's a great document, but it's not the be-all-end-all of Discordia. And if all we Discordians can do is rehash the Principia, then Discordia died a long long time ago.
Quote from: Daego on January 13, 2010, 04:08:18 AM
I just wanna know what the main demographic for TBIP is... The first few pages seem to be targeting depressed teens from the early '90s. Why try to convert? If someone isn't smart enough to find their way around theology do you really give a Potter Stewart if they are walking around with a Gold Apple embossed on their Starter-brand hoodie? Not trying to flame or anything, all of hell knows I can be a prick though. I realize people worked hard on TBIP, and applaud the effort, but the number of posts on this thread may give a clue to the actual VALIDITY of the thing. I'm probably not the one to say anything beings if I'd modernize the PD I'd just write "5 tons of flax" a few times and discredit all sources in the bibliograpy
I think it's because that when you get to a point where you understand the potential and ability to Think For Yourself and Reconstruct your Prison, the world looks a lot brighter and full of potential. So you look back at the way you used to think, and you see the stifling entrapment your life used to be. Damn
right it should be dark... What, you think that if we said "being a passive consumer is great, but so is this" that it would reach
anyone?
Secondly, you seem to believe that Discordia has a "theology". Which brings into question what you actually learned from the Principa.
And don't think we missed your weak
Illuminatus! reference, either.
Quote from: LMNO on January 13, 2010, 02:30:31 PM
Quote from: Daego on January 13, 2010, 04:08:18 AM
I just wanna know what the main demographic for TBIP is... The first few pages seem to be targeting depressed teens from the early '90s. Why try to convert? If someone isn't smart enough to find their way around theology do you really give a Potter Stewart if they are walking around with a Gold Apple embossed on their Starter-brand hoodie? Not trying to flame or anything, all of hell knows I can be a prick though. I realize people worked hard on TBIP, and applaud the effort, but the number of posts on this thread may give a clue to the actual VALIDITY of the thing. I'm probably not the one to say anything beings if I'd modernize the PD I'd just write "5 tons of flax" a few times and discredit all sources in the bibliograpy
I think it's because that when you get to a point where you understand the potential and ability to Think For Yourself and Reconstruct your Prison, the world looks a lot brighter and full of potential. So you look back at the way you used to think, and you see the stifling entrapment your life used to be. Damn right it should be dark... What, you think that if we said "being a passive consumer is great, but so is this" that it would reach anyone?
Secondly, you seem to believe that Discordia has a "theology". Which brings into question what you actually learned from the Principa.
And don't think we missed your weak Illuminatus! Schrödinger's Cat reference, either.
Fixed, but yes, still weak.
Quote from: Hoopla on January 13, 2010, 02:54:52 PM
Quote from: LMNO on January 13, 2010, 02:30:31 PM
Quote from: Daego on January 13, 2010, 04:08:18 AM
I just wanna know what the main demographic for TBIP is... The first few pages seem to be targeting depressed teens from the early '90s. Why try to convert? If someone isn't smart enough to find their way around theology do you really give a Potter Stewart if they are walking around with a Gold Apple embossed on their Starter-brand hoodie? Not trying to flame or anything, all of hell knows I can be a prick though. I realize people worked hard on TBIP, and applaud the effort, but the number of posts on this thread may give a clue to the actual VALIDITY of the thing. I'm probably not the one to say anything beings if I'd modernize the PD I'd just write "5 tons of flax" a few times and discredit all sources in the bibliograpy
I think it's because that when you get to a point where you understand the potential and ability to Think For Yourself and Reconstruct your Prison, the world looks a lot brighter and full of potential. So you look back at the way you used to think, and you see the stifling entrapment your life used to be. Damn right it should be dark... What, you think that if we said "being a passive consumer is great, but so is this" that it would reach anyone?
Secondly, you seem to believe that Discordia has a "theology". Which brings into question what you actually learned from the Principa.
And don't think we missed your weak Illuminatus! Schrödinger's Cat reference, either.
Fixed, but yes, still weak.
Yep, I thought I smelled fried onions in this thread.
It's all the same damn book, anyway.
But point taken.
Quote from: LMNO on January 13, 2010, 03:12:15 PM
It's all the same damn book, anyway.
But point taken.
s'OK LMNO... I always get my quotes from them mixed up as well... Except for the Flying Rehnquist :lulz:
Quote from: Daego on January 13, 2010, 04:08:18 AM
I realize people worked hard on TBIP, and applaud the effort, but the number of posts on this thread may give a clue to the actual VALIDITY of the thing.
My 2 cents: This sentence suggests that you have not considered the possibility that we've already discussed the hell out of it. I mean, damn, the current PDF layout is from July 2007. This thread was started at the beginning of this month, in 2010.
Frankly, I'd be a little weirded out if we were still making 20-page threads talking excitedly about the BIP, 3 years later. The BIP is still relevant, and valid, and the source of an assload of really good discussion which I have had the pleasure to witness and even contribute a tiny bit (I joined the party late), but we, like most people, eventually move on to talk about other things.
What was the original BIP article?
I think he means the first pamphet we slapped together.
Quote from: LMNO on January 13, 2010, 07:17:53 PM
I think he means the first pamphet we slapped together.
Link? I think I was still being a prize ass when that came together.
Yeah I wouldn't mind taking another look at the original again either.
Click the "THE BLACK IRON PRISON: Discordia Revisited" in my sig.
Quote from: LMNO on January 13, 2010, 07:57:09 PM
Click the "THE BLACK IRON PRISON: Discordia Revisited" in my sig.
:cry: Link unresponsive :cry:
hopefully that's just 'cause of the huge flow of traffic . . .
PLUS I was trying to compare the versions this morning and the original version was down:-
http://www.blackironprison.com/index.php?title=Black_Iron_Prison_pamphlets
Works for me now.
Quote from: Felix on January 13, 2010, 11:22:10 PM
Works for me now.
Yus, me too but the original doc still seems to be down
http://poee.co.uk/site/index.php?option=com_rsfiles&task=files.download&path=...Ancient_Erisian_Texts...bip-a4.pdf&Itemid=28
POEE seems to be down.
no its not backwards looking people, its BIP
Quote from: Cain on January 14, 2010, 10:55:52 AM
POEE seems to be down.
Jesus, I hope that's not permanent.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 19, 2010, 09:08:32 PM
Quote from: Cain on January 14, 2010, 10:55:52 AM
POEE seems to be down.
Jesus, I hope that's not permanent.
It's back up now, at least for me.
~~~Payne: Is assuming it's not only open for Spiritual Reasons.
So I guess "Daego" was a hit and run, huh?
Quote from: Payne on January 19, 2010, 09:10:27 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 19, 2010, 09:08:32 PM
Quote from: Cain on January 14, 2010, 10:55:52 AM
POEE seems to be down.
Jesus, I hope that's not permanent.
It's back up now, at least for me.
~~~Payne: Is assuming it's not only open for Spiritual Reasons.
Still not open for me. All I get is
QuoteNot Found
The requested URL / was not found on this server.
Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.
Apache/2.2.11 (Unix) mod_bwlimited/1.4 mod_ssl/2.2.11 OpenSSL/0.9.8k Server at www.poee.co.uk Port 80
Quote from: Cain on January 20, 2010, 08:23:34 PM
Quote from: Payne on January 19, 2010, 09:10:27 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 19, 2010, 09:08:32 PM
Quote from: Cain on January 14, 2010, 10:55:52 AM
POEE seems to be down.
Jesus, I hope that's not permanent.
It's back up now, at least for me.
~~~Payne: Is assuming it's not only open for Spiritual Reasons.
Still not open for me. All I get is
QuoteNot Found
The requested URL / was not found on this server.
Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.
Apache/2.2.11 (Unix) mod_bwlimited/1.4 mod_ssl/2.2.11 OpenSSL/0.9.8k Server at www.poee.co.uk Port 80
Reply in MSN with Syn:
QuotePayne: hey dude, fucking around with POEE?
synaptyx: Ja!
synaptyx: New forumness!
synaptyx: :D
synaptyx: just fixing stuff up
Should be back up soon.
Tell him to quit broadcasting the server versions and patch levels in error messages!
Quote from: Cramulus on January 20, 2010, 07:06:53 PM
So I guess "Daego" was a hit and run, huh?
Oh not at all, I'm just paying attention. I asked questions and they really haven't been answered yet, execpt some self-important dude said something about a 40 yr old but I found that irrelevant.
The BIP is written for people that respond to that sort of writing. It's not written for people that don't respond to that sort of writing. Some of my friends really like it. My friend that is 8 weeks away from his Phd in Psychology hands copies out at his Catholic Church at Sunday Mass. He thinks its far better than the PD to hit people in the head with.Whereas I tened not to go for the hit people in the head model. So I use the BiP concepts for myself... While he uses on other people.
Quote from: Daego on January 21, 2010, 12:54:07 AM
Quote from: Cramulus on January 20, 2010, 07:06:53 PM
So I guess "Daego" was a hit and run, huh?
Oh not at all, I'm just paying attention. I asked questions and they really haven't been answered yet, execpt some self-important dude said something about a 40 yr old but I found that irrelevant.
Quote from: Daego on January 13, 2010, 04:08:18 AM
I just wanna know what the main demographic for TBIP is... The first few pages seem to be targeting depressed teens from the early '90s.
I'm not sure I understand you... Essay one gives a rough outline of the premise: That your psychology and biology shape they way you view the world, and if you don't recognize that, things will never change. Essay two gives a Realist summation of the ideological majority. Essays three and four are rants against the kinds of corporate comfort that blind us into seeing the issues raised in essays one and two. And so on. Perhaps you haven't gotten an answer to this question because you're not really sure what you're asking... or maybe we considered it more of a broad-sided insult rather than an honest inquiry.
QuoteWhy try to convert?
For several reasons. But before I get into that, there are a lot of unspoken and vague ideas behind that question. Like, are we converting cabbages into Discordians, or Discordians into something else? Is "convert" even the right word to use, since "think for yourself" is one of the main points? And are we even
trying to convert, or did we just want to spread some ideas?
So, in an attempt to answer: First and foremost because we think we have the beginnings of a good idea, and would like other people to know about that good idea. Second, because we see a lot of people who are acting without thinking, and are making life harder for the rest of us by doing so. Thirdly, because we are creative people who like seeing our stuff in print.
QuoteIf someone isn't smart enough to find their way around theology do you really give a Potter Stewart if they are walking around with a Gold Apple embossed on their Starter-brand hoodie?
I'm curious why you think the BIP pamphlet has anything to do with theology. The only mention of Discordianism in there is the piece that starts with the Hesse quote, and that's a
rejection of religion.
Also, the question itself is a little puzzling... You seem to have reached a conclusion that we're trying to convince stupid people to act stupidly in a different way; as if a stupid person reading the BIP would suddenly change their behavior, but only superficially. Not only that, but that we would want this stupid person to ignore the anti-consumerism tilt of the pamphlet, and brand-whore themselves.
So, it appears that you may have missed a few salient points in the pamphlet, and this question doesn't really apply to anything in the BIP itself, though it may apply to some thoughts inside your own head.
QuoteNot trying to flame or anything, all of hell knows I can be a prick though. I realize people worked hard on TBIP, and applaud the effort, but the number of posts on this thread may give a clue to the actual VALIDITY of the thing.
I think this has been addressed previously, but if you visit http://www.blackironprison.com/index.php?title=Main_Page you'll find compilations of myriad threads, essays, and extensive speculation and tangents relating to the initial BIP project. In particular, if your measure of an idea's worthiness is post count, the Discussions/Questions/Threadjacks section at http://www.blackironprison.com/index.php?title=Literature compiles some of the better threads together into semi-cohesion.
Incidentally, that wasn't a question.
QuoteI'm probably not the one to say anything beings if I'd modernize the PD I'd just write "5 tons of flax" a few times and discredit all sources in the bibliograpy
So, the fifth pentabarf, the Law of Fives, Starbuck's Pebbles, the Sermon on Ethics and Love, and the (An)Eristic Illusions aren't important to you?
You might have been trying for snark, but there are Discordians who truly believe that the
Principia is nothing but a collection of non-sequitor humor and a silly parody of religion that allows people to act foolish. Which is fine. However, a lot of us call those kinds of Discordians "Pinealists", and tend to ignore or mock them, because let's face it: We've heard the jokes dozens of times before, and they don't have much else to offer.
One reason you haven't gotten any response to your questions may be that you finished off your post with that, which would lead a lot of us to consider you thus, and so not really worth a response, as you'd probably reply with something like "FNORD 23 SKIDOO" or some such.
Anyway, there are your answers, from one of many. Don't take what I say as the definitive answer, however. I don't speak for the board.
I kind of suspect this guy is an alt, but it doesn't really matter -- there have been some good answers here!
Yeah, it doesn't matter. To me, this isn't a troll yet; I'm not annoyed, nor frustrated. Answering questions like that helps me re-think and refine my ideas. In a way, they're more self-help than anything else.
Thank you for your time! That was an awesome response. Perhaps you are right, and I've mis-interperted what I've read. I'm probably gonna have to re- read it.
I'm not sure it would do any good to say what I got from the PD and how I use it, butt fuck it, i will. People that frequent this forum seem to think pagans and mystics are a nuisaince. YEAH YEAH YEAH I know, i'm just a dumb rube that fell into another scam of power or what-ever, a D&D-playing wand-waver or whatever. Fine by me. The PD just pleases me, a mind-fuck and a joke. It helped light the way to the duality of things; light/dark, up/down, ugly/pretty, serious/absurd. I like to concentrate on the dark and absurd, kinda like taping an emo kid to a tree. It pleases me, and that's all that matters :D So, yes, I do invoke Eris from time to time, and the "erisian movement' seems as good a "religion" as any (scratch that, gotta be better than mormons! j/k). I seriously joke absurdly grim. Don't you belive me? :evil: DON'T YOU BELIVE ME! :x
oh yeah, the bad referance was a lame attempt on my part as a test. :fnord: don't panic :fnord: :wink:
This is why we leave the speedballs alone, kids.
Well Daego, now we know where you stand.
And since you don't buy into the direction we're going, I can trust you won't be getting involved with any of our discussions relating to that direction; because it won't do either of us any good.
My advice is to stick to the Apple Talk and O:M subforums. They're a delightful lark that don't require an excess of thought.
I never said I don't "buy" into "creative people who like seeing our stuff in print" or their ideas. It seems you've failed to notice that my e-tongue is firmly lodged in my e-cheek. Also failed to realize how easily discord meshes with the arcane. Whether you agree or not is your problem, but I kinda figured if anyone would be open to an Idea as brash and totally "out there" as "magick", it would probably be a discordian. Definitely not the first time I've overestimated a group of people, though. I'm gonna have to agree with you that I won't be getting involved in your discussions on trolling satanism sites, your hierarchy, your unoriginal corporate conspiracy theories, ships and shoes and ceiling wax, cabbages and kings. Mainstream quote in 3 2 1 why so serious?
I just erased about 3 paragraphs of what might, to the paranoid and closed minded, be considered trolling as I cross referenced your responses here with your posts elsewhere. All I asked was DO YOU REALLY CARE? I sure seems you do, and the energy is a waste, but that's your bucket of smegma. I still keep an open mind, and make an honest attempt to learn anything, even from the simplest people and books. Thus my time spent on the internet.
Sure, I may be irritating and make you feel that you need to defend yourself, (yeah reactions I get out here aren't the most positive either, Americans don't like to be confronted) but I really have no ill intentions. I like to think. I like to watch others think and hear what they've dredged up. Character is easiest to decipher when in conflict. Mild taunts[broadsidedinsults] are always fun. Keeps stagnate wit and dried up emotions fresh. You might even learn something from someone else's choice to be an assoholic. So if you would please, not for my sake but for your own, lighten the fuck up. All the world's a stage and every man and woman a sub-par stand-up comedian.
Well I suppose that I'll leave that rant for what it is and thank you for your insight. I'm sure I'm quite finished with this thread, unless someone decides to place a witty remark that needs a shitty retort.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 22, 2010, 07:16:02 PM
This is why we leave the speedballs alone, kids.
I don't mix cocaine with my heroin. I don't even think I've ever even seen coke.
It's sort of like he's trying to pull a DK, but falls short of that threshold where I feel peeved enough to pick apart his post and thus spark a feud.
What's a DK?
Quote from: Mistress Freeky on January 23, 2010, 01:05:26 AM
What's a DK?
Dead Kennedy. One of the most epic asshats to appear on this forum since I've been here. He got under a
lot of people's skin. He's also an absolutely horrible person if any of the opinions he claimed to have were sincere, but damn could he get people pissed off at him.
Ah. He kind of reminds me of the examples TGRR gives of REALLY REAL DISCORDIANS, with that crap about
QuoteI kinda figured if anyone would be open to an Idea as brash and totally "out there" as "magick", it would probably be a discordian.
And the rest of it made me :|
So now I've seen one up close. Huh.
Quote from: Mistress Freeky on January 23, 2010, 01:28:52 AM
Ah. He kind of reminds me of the examples TGRR gives of REALLY REAL DISCORDIANS, with that crap about
QuoteI kinda figured if anyone would be open to an Idea as brash and totally "out there" as "magick", it would probably be a discordian.
And the rest of it made me :|
So now I've seen one up close. Huh.
Pretty underwhelming, innit?
Yes.
Quote from: Cainad on January 23, 2010, 01:01:56 AM
It's sort of like he's trying to pull a DK, but falls short of that threshold where I feel peeved enough to pick apart his post and thus spark a feud.
DK doesnt write like a wiki entry ;)
plus dont think he would GO so low as to do a pineapple troll
Quote from: Daego on January 23, 2010, 12:22:00 AM
I'm gonna have to agree with you that I won't be getting involved.
Good.
I perceive discordianism as a mind-set that logically imposes an ultra-realistic viewpoint on its user, so I'm always amused that it attracts so many mhadjickqians.
Quote from: Emerald City Hustle on January 25, 2010, 07:12:56 PM
I perceive discordianism as a mind-set that logically imposes an ultra-realistic viewpoint on its user, so I'm always amused that it attracts so many mhadjickqians.
It's interesting because I perceive Discordianism as a mind-set which imposes an absurd viewpoint on the user and therefore interacting with absurd views of reality like magic seems reasonable. That is, its all maps and models, as long as the Discordian groks that, any map and any model is up for play.
QuoteAnd so it is that we, as men, do not exist until we do; and then it is that we play with our world of existent things, and order and disorder them, and so it shall be that Non-existence shall take us back from Existence, and that nameless Spirituality shall return to Void, like a tired child home from a very wild circus.
I like the freak show as much as I like the Big Top. :lulz:
Hell, I even like the "games of chance"... and those are totally a scam.
[Wishy-washy synthesist]
Discordianism is the open-source religion, in that most people who adopt it and use it seriously bring their own flavour and new ideas to it, improving it and making it their own. ECH's personality is starkly realistic and practical, so his version mirrors that. Ratatosk's worldview is closer to the original recipe by Thornley. Cosmic poetic absurdism with a dash of mysticism.
Other Discordian practices incorporate a fundamentalistic view of Eris as an unkind goddess of disruption and strife, a doctrine which finds favor quite naturally among the ranks of trolls. Some people (myself) take Discordianism as a foil for a Vonnegut-esque worldview.
(Regardless of how accurate my assessment of their actual tastes, the point is nevertheless illustrative of how different people use and abuse Discordianism.)
[/Wishy-washy synthesist]
:mittens:
Wishy-Washy Mittens for Wishy-Washy Win
Quote from: Daego on January 23, 2010, 12:22:00 AM
I never said I don't "buy" into "creative people who like seeing our stuff in print" or their ideas. It seems you've failed to notice that my e-tongue is firmly lodged in my e-cheek. Also failed to realize how easily discord meshes with the arcane. Whether you agree or not is your problem, but I kinda figured if anyone would be open to an Idea as brash and totally "out there" as "magick", it would probably be a discordian. Definitely not the first time I've overestimated a group of people, though. I'm gonna have to agree with you that I won't be getting involved in your discussions on trolling satanism sites, your hierarchy, your unoriginal corporate conspiracy theories, ships and shoes and ceiling wax, cabbages and kings. Mainstream quote in 3 2 1 why so serious?
Thats a pretty broad brush you're painting with there, amigo. I happen to not consider "magick" a waste of time, but I don't like your attitude, so don't expect to discuss it with me.
Quote from: Hoopla on January 27, 2010, 06:52:50 PM
Quote from: Daego on January 23, 2010, 12:22:00 AM
I never said I don't "buy" into "creative people who like seeing our stuff in print" or their ideas. It seems you've failed to notice that my e-tongue is firmly lodged in my e-cheek. Also failed to realize how easily discord meshes with the arcane. Whether you agree or not is your problem, but I kinda figured if anyone would be open to an Idea as brash and totally "out there" as "magick", it would probably be a discordian. Definitely not the first time I've overestimated a group of people, though. I'm gonna have to agree with you that I won't be getting involved in your discussions on trolling satanism sites, your hierarchy, your unoriginal corporate conspiracy theories, ships and shoes and ceiling wax, cabbages and kings. Mainstream quote in 3 2 1 why so serious?
Thats a pretty broad brush you're painting with there, amigo. I happen to not consider "magick" a waste of time, but I don't like your attitude, so don't expect to discuss it with me.
Right there with ya Hoops... Dunno how someone would think this board is anti-magic when we regulars get into 50+ page debates on the topic ;-)
.....Aaaaand we're off again!
:shoots self in head:
:x
...sorry.
Quote from: LMNO on January 27, 2010, 07:36:03 PM
.....Aaaaand we're off again!
:shoots self in head:
Wait, what? Off to where? I wasn't intending that to be a slam on anything. The dude is painting us all as X when the debates we've had seem to indicate that we aren't all X.
Or did I miss something?
It's only to be expected.
...And just to get the playing field correct:
Group A thinks that Magic is a collective noun describing heavy-handed techniques of NLP, self-hypnosis, intentional self delusion, and psychology.
Group B thinks that Magic is describes non-local events of things that cannot be currently explained.
Group C thinks that Group A are a bunch of silly bastards to willfully use terms and techniques that are outdated, crude, and misleading.
And everyone thinks Group B are fucking morons.
Quote from: Ratatosk on January 27, 2010, 07:49:57 PM
Quote from: LMNO on January 27, 2010, 07:36:03 PM
.....Aaaaand we're off again!
:shoots self in head:
Wait, what? Off to where? I wasn't intending that to be a slam on anything. The dude is painting us all as X when the debates we've had seem to indicate that we aren't all X.
Or did I miss something?
No, it's just that the conversation is back again.
And it was so productive last time.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 27, 2010, 07:54:52 PM
Quote from: Ratatosk on January 27, 2010, 07:49:57 PM
Quote from: LMNO on January 27, 2010, 07:36:03 PM
.....Aaaaand we're off again!
:shoots self in head:
Wait, what? Off to where? I wasn't intending that to be a slam on anything. The dude is painting us all as X when the debates we've had seem to indicate that we aren't all X.
Or did I miss something?
No, it's just that the conversation is back again.
And it was so productive last time.
Oh I thought this was a meta conversation... in that we can all agree that we fight like hell over some topics of conversation ;-)
Quote from: LMNO on January 27, 2010, 07:53:20 PM
It's only to be expected.
...And just to get the playing field correct:
Group A thinks that Magic is a collective noun describing heavy-handed techniques of NLP, self-hypnosis, intentional self delusion, and psychology.
Group B thinks that Magic is describes non-local events of things that cannot be currently explained.
Group C thinks that Group A are a bunch of silly bastards to willfully use terms and techniques that are outdated, crude, and misleading.
And everyone thinks Group B are fucking morons.
Group D: People who wish this shit would stop sucking the life out of every other part of the board.
I am in this group.