Relevant posts from the Today I Learned thread (starting with this post (http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=16801.msg803640#msg803640)):
Quote from: Darth Cupcake on January 05, 2010, 05:02:29 PM
Quote from: Cainad on January 05, 2010, 04:40:17 PM
Quote from: Triple Zero on January 05, 2010, 02:04:01 PM
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on January 05, 2010, 08:11:17 AM
Today I learned
Or re-learned
That I am very tired of being a novelty.
How are you a novelty?
- "look guys what a funny novel friend I made last week, she's small cute looks a bit like an angry eskimo and has a nose ring"
- "OOOOOOOOOOoooooooooO000Ooo can I feed her?"
- "well ... okay, but NEVER feed her kalamara olives after midnight!"
:?
I think that may be closer to the mark than you think, if I understand Nigel correctly. Sometimes people who act like they want to be your friend are secretly Normals with a desire to spend a little bit of time with a novelty Weirdo before going back to what's "safe."
Yeah. That's how a lot of my dating life used to go, when I still bothered with the damn thing.
"Oh hey, she's cute. And really different from what I'm used to. That's fun! And hey, she's comfortable with her sexuality. That's really neat! Oh man, she's exposing me to all these weird new experiences and ideas! She's so quirky and unique!" But then after a little while, they get bored of quirky and unique and new experiences and want to settle back down into normal. Except that this IS normal. They want THEIR idea of normal. So then you end up getting ditched. It goes from REALLY HOT (newness exciting shiny etc) to fleeing pretty quickly, sometimes.
I would hypothesize that is what Nigel means, and if so, she probably has it to a greater extent than I do, because I think she's more quirky and unique and artistic and whatnot than I am, so she probably gets it more intensely.
It's like the cliche in all those indie films about the Manic Sexy Pixie Savior thing whatever. Where some "crazy" girl comes in and saves the introspective, emotionally fragile male main character and brings life back into his, well, life (usually through sex and all her CRAAAAAAAAAAZY antics!) but then their relationship is doomed and she dies or leaves him or turns out to be a psychotic or something, and he moves on with his normal life, but feels re-energized thanks to her quirky ways. He is now a more interesting person, whereas she is a discarded freak, an objet d'art from the extreme of the spectrum, who has no place in his nice normal world. She was a learning experience, if you will.
This sounds so much angrier and more bitter than I intend for it to. I'm honestly just amused by that trope, not angry about it, so apologies if this comes off the wrong way.
That said... Nigel, anyone who sees you as a novelty should be punched in the face with a railroad spike.
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on January 06, 2010, 04:49:05 AM
Quote from: Triple Zero on January 05, 2010, 02:04:01 PM
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on January 05, 2010, 08:11:17 AM
Today I learned
Or re-learned
That I am very tired of being a novelty.
How are you a novelty?
- "look guys what a funny novel friend I made last week, she's small cute looks a bit like an angry eskimo and has a nose ring"
- "OOOOOOOOOOoooooooooO000Ooo can I feed her?"
- "well ... okay, but NEVER feed her kalamara olives after midnight!"
:?
Basically something like that. Straight guys or girls like my ex, who think they're "edgy" or "alternative" because they wear funny clothes and/or like the art/music scene and/or open relationships and/or dick meet me and think "oooh, cute eccentric girl! Look how funny she is, with her quirks and cones and lard and her thing about some obscure Greek goddess! This will make my life fun and exotic and cool." But they don't actually GET anything, and since actually at the end of the day they want to go home to Tami with an i and not really be challenged and gradually start to realize that it's 24/7 and not just a new kind of hipster, I start to grate on them. Because I'm still awake making something that's not even serious in Photoshop, and I am seriously going to leave those fucking cones on my roof FOREVER. And maybe, just maybe, I really am going to wear a moustache to a party, and fuck, how embarrassing is that? Plus the weird shit on my walls. It's funny at first, but it's so cluttery, and am I really going to leave that up for the dinner party?
They're like TGRR's perverts... just because they're perverts doesn't make them freaks. They just think freaks are so cool, you know, so they want a pocket one to take to parties. For a while. Or, sometimes, they have a whole STABLE of them they rotate through and invite to parties. You gotta check this chick out, man; she's such a trip.
But I'm starting to recognize it in advance, and learning how to cut it off at the pass. I will not be collected. Like a goddamn Beanie Baby.
For the record, neither Pinecone nor Mario ever treated me like a novelty. Because they are both also freaks. They get it. You get it. I just need to stick to my people. I'm lucky to have some.
This seems to be a common theme in the lives of several of us, and I put it here in Or Kill Me because I think it's something worth ranting about.
We like to talk, and complain, about the Normals, the Machine, the cabbages, and the Greyfaces... but honestly, true Greyfaces are rare in my experience. Even the dullest twerp I've met needs at least a little tiny bit of the weird and novel in his or her life. Just enough to keep them alive and feeling like a warm body. That's what we're here for, at least in their estimation. Weirdos are for keeping in neat little boxes, to be taken out and played with for a little while and do tricks before going back in the box so we don't dirty up the nice new couch.
Or so they think.
The Weird do not take well to being contained. The Normals, the cabbages think they can have us piecemeal because we are easily ignored. This is untrue; we just tend to leave them alone because they bore the everloving shit out of us most of the time. They take us for granted, and when they find out the hard way that we don't have an "Off" switch, they freak out. It bothers them and makes them uncomfortable to know that we don't ever STOP being so weird, that our tricks and quirks and funny little ways of doing things are not just for amusing people at parties, but rather that we actually
live that way, and we like it.
This is why I love the friends I have, and don't bother with people who flake. I'm friends with people who give me a run for my money when it comes to weirdness, people who see reality in such bizarre and shifting ways I can't help but be enchanted by them and call them my kin. Where the Normals laugh nervously and pull back, I tear up with joy and seek to embrace the weirdness in front of me. And it's only going to get stranger as the years go by, I'm sure of it.
:mittens:
This is something I've felt but have never been able to articulate.
Its worse when you can slowly watch it happening but can't stop yourself from going along with it anyway.
For the love of mittens, yes! That was well said.
Props also to Nigel and especially D-Cup--you guys totally called that.
I enjoyed very much. When I was a kid I used to fantasize about turning into Blastoise and going on a rampage.
Very nice Cainad!
I feel self-conscious when I talk about this stuff because of the us vs. them dichotomy, but at the same time I have realized that it's healthy for me to recognize it because I need to protect myself from getting emotionally engaged with someone who will inevitably, ultimately, tire of me.
I am not holding freakishness up as a higher state of being, because it often comes with drawbacks, sometimes major ones. Being high-strung or struggling or just plain crazy are not really things to idealize, and frankly, being weird in ways that permeate your life is not usually something that makes you feel good all the time. It's hard on you, and hard on your loved ones. And you get down on yourself, especially after the hundredth time you really liked someone and thought you had a connection with them and then they tire of your amusing antics and find someone else to spend time with.
But now is probably a good time to stop being down about it, and look around in the world at the other freaks, and realize that we're totally fucking okay, and not collectible novelties. We're not cute. We're not funny. We're just regular people who don't quite fit in with the other regular people.
(http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/5774/mittens2xi0.gif) for Nigel!
I don't like the Us vs. Them attitude most of the time either, and it is an oversimplification... there are degrees of Weirdness and freakishness, to be sure, but regardless it is a useful way to look at the world sometimes.
This is definitely WIN! :mittens:
That was amazingly put...
QuoteBut now is probably a good time to stop being down about it, and look around in the world at the other freaks, and realize that we're totally fucking okay, and not collectible novelties. We're not cute. We're not funny. We're just regular people who don't quite fit in with the other regular people.
Amen! The regular people around are the ones with the quirks. The ones without are just plain weird, imo.
People have known my antics for a long time. I have dumped alot of my old-school friends because I was only ever invited when they needed livening up. I can't be assed to be a clown for them.
But, I have a whole new circle now - and I love my friends to death. We all understand each other, and do stupid things together :)
some reason after reading that my first thoughts were, am i in my mint condition box?
Shit I wish I could actually draw. I have this picture in my head, regarding this. I may WRATH something up.
If there is a set of collective "objective and normal behaviours and thoughts" from which if there is a deviation its called a "weirdo"...
I rather be "me the freak" than "us the normals"
The few friends i have are either goths (not by their definition; by my definition), masons/jews, spanish exiledes grandsons, german/canadian/russian foreigners or musicians.
In an "objective" sense, they are intrinsecally "weird" due to aesthetic inclinations, religious/family/cultural background or by life priorities/styles.
Outcasts, pariahs, misfits, outsiders. What else can we be other than this? In a cultural setting where the norm is being catholic; the objective of life is having as much money as possible; where if you arent a "macho" you are a faggot; if you arent a good housekeeping "hembra" you are a lesbian; if you like to stay awake during the night and sleep during the day (even while keeping up with responsabilities) you are either a "vampire" or a "criminal".
This is my definition of "us"; fuck "them" if they think im just a walking circus show for their enternment purposes and that i should go along with their stupid game of "objective normality".
(http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb163/wompcabal/ValleyOfWeirdnessA.png)
(http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb163/wompcabal/ValleyOfWeirdnessB.png)
...Or something.
complaining about how ones weirdness is a burden in social interaction seems terribly 'high school' to me.
and upon further consideration complaining that complaining about how ones weirdness is a burden in social interaction seems terribly 'college' to me.
but, now, complaining that complaining about complaining about how ones weirdness is a burden in social interaction? That indicates that i am now a normal fully mature adult.
Payne that picca is AEWSOIEM
Quote from: Iptuous on January 06, 2010, 02:31:14 PM
complaining about how ones weirdness is a burden in social interaction seems terribly 'high school' to me.
and upon further consideration complaining that complaining about how ones weirdness is a burden in social interaction seems terribly 'college' to me.
but, now, complaining that complaining about complaining about how ones weirdness is a burden in social interaction? That indicates that i am now a normal god-fearing, law-abiding republican fully mature adult.
Fixed.
Quote from: Iptuous on January 06, 2010, 02:31:14 PM
complaining about how ones weirdness is a burden in social interaction seems terribly 'high school' to me.
and upon further consideration complaining that complaining about how ones weirdness is a burden in social interaction seems terribly 'college' to me.
but, now, complaining that complaining about complaining about how ones weirdness is a burden in social interaction? That indicates that i am now a normal fully mature adult.
I must be a senior citizen, cuz all I do is complain about you! :D
As soon as I meet a "Normal", I intend to bag them and take them into the EPA. Once we prove the species still exists, we can get them put on the endngered list.
Fair "My own experience" dose here, but just about everyone will take a jaunt unto the weird form time to time. Like dressing up fancy for a good dinner, or "slumming it", they put on the face for awhile, and then take it off once they've had their fun. What makes the "US" different from the "THEM"? Tolerance, maybe. We have more for the us, less for the them. We can tolerate the atmosphere that the rest of them breath and give majority positive reviews too for a time, but we still have to shove our faces into a puddle or gutter every so often to catch our breath. Dry, flavorless air and the flat sky full of fake stars that most of THEM love, it just dries out and chafes on me after awhile.
I doubt there even is an us or them anymore. The freaks are too prosaic now, the normals too strange.
Quote from: Richter on January 06, 2010, 03:19:09 PM
As soon as I meet a "Normal", I intend to bag them and take them into the EPA. Once we prove the species still exists, we can get them put on the endngered list.
Fair "My own experience" dose here, but just about everyone will take a jaunt unto the weird form time to time. Like dressing up fancy for a good dinner, or "slumming it", they put on the face for awhile, and then take it off once they've had their fun. What makes the "US" different from the "THEM"? Tolerance, maybe. We have more for the us, less for the them. We can tolerate the atmosphere that the rest of them breath and give majority positive reviews too for a time, but we still have to shove our faces into a puddle or gutter every so often to catch our breath. Dry, flavorless air and the flat sky full of fake stars that most of THEM love, it just dries out and chafes on me after awhile.
I doubt there even is an us or them anymore. The freaks are too prosaic now, the normals too strange.
From an abstract concept of "what is normal" there are two main positions/stances:
Group A believes "what is normal" exists, and actively tries to be it.
Group B does not believe "what is normal" exists, and thus doesnt try to be it.
I'd call both groups pretty fucking normal.
Black sheep are still sheep.
Quote from: JohNyx on January 06, 2010, 03:34:09 PM
Quote from: Richter on January 06, 2010, 03:19:09 PM
As soon as I meet a "Normal", I intend to bag them and take them into the EPA. Once we prove the species still exists, we can get them put on the endngered list.
Fair "My own experience" dose here, but just about everyone will take a jaunt unto the weird form time to time. Like dressing up fancy for a good dinner, or "slumming it", they put on the face for awhile, and then take it off once they've had their fun. What makes the "US" different from the "THEM"? Tolerance, maybe. We have more for the us, less for the them. We can tolerate the atmosphere that the rest of them breath and give majority positive reviews too for a time, but we still have to shove our faces into a puddle or gutter every so often to catch our breath. Dry, flavorless air and the flat sky full of fake stars that most of THEM love, it just dries out and chafes on me after awhile.
I doubt there even is an us or them anymore. The freaks are too prosaic now, the normals too strange.
From an abstract concept of "what is normal" there are two main positions/stances:
Group A believes "what is normal" exists, and actively tries to be it.
Group B does not believe "what is normal" exists, and thus doesnt try to be it.
Proposition: Everyone should be awake during the day, and asleep at night.
Group A says: Yes, it is our biological imperative, for we are diurnal creatures, and also because thats when work happens and all businesses are open.
Group B says: No, just because we are
biologically diurnal creatures, does not mean that the biological part of our being dictates everything, for we are also cultural beings that surpass that. Besides, theres no noise pollution at night, or sunlight to distract me from what im doing.
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on January 06, 2010, 03:37:34 PM
I'd call both groups pretty fucking normal.
Black sheep are still sheep.
I think thats an oversimplification in the context of this thread. And you fall under my abstract categories as Group B (does not believe "what is normal" exists).
Thus, from your worldview that thinks that "what is normal does not exist", the definition of "normal" for you changes to "ones own quirks" instead of "the desired behaviour/thoughts"
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on January 06, 2010, 06:48:05 AM
Very nice Cainad!
I feel self-conscious when I talk about this stuff because of the us vs. them dichotomy, but at the same time I have realized that it's healthy for me to recognize it because I need to protect myself from getting emotionally engaged with someone who will inevitably, ultimately, tire of me.
Yes. I HATE having the "us vs. them" idea, because I really don't think it's that clear cut or simple. However, it's true that you can find people who share your "weirdness," people who are entertained by your "weirdness," and people who are entertained by your "weirdness" and therefore want to share it. The first and the last are gravy. It's the ones in the middle that you have to watch out for.
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I am not holding freakishness up as a higher state of being, because it often comes with drawbacks, sometimes major ones. Being high-strung or struggling or just plain crazy are not really things to idealize, and frankly, being weird in ways that permeate your life is not usually something that makes you feel good all the time. It's hard on you, and hard on your loved ones. And you get down on yourself, especially after the hundredth time you really liked someone and thought you had a connection with them and then they tire of your amusing antics and find someone else to spend time with.
But now is probably a good time to stop being down about it, and look around in the world at the other freaks, and realize that we're totally fucking okay, and not collectible novelties. We're not cute. We're not funny. We're just regular people who don't quite fit in with the other regular people.
Drawbacks are part of what keep weirdness a novelty item, though. If there weren't drawbacks, everyone would be weird. But the worst part is, the drawbacks become almost fetishized--like the idea that you can't be a really talented writer or artist or musician or whatever if you aren't depressed and tortured. So people will foster problems in the idea that they'll become weird, and they'll fetishize these drawbacks in others. Until they realize there's reality to it, and the drawbacks aren't just another novelty.
Did that make sense? But anyways, I LOVE the "we're just regular people who don't quite fit in with the other regular people." That's great.
Quote from: JohNyx on January 06, 2010, 03:34:09 PM
From an abstract concept of "what is normal" there are two main positions/stances:
Group A believes "what is normal" exists, and actively tries to be it.
Group B does not believe "what is normal" exists, and thus doesnt try to be it.
I love that way of looking at it.
Quote from: JohNyx on January 06, 2010, 03:43:22 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on January 06, 2010, 03:37:34 PM
I'd call both groups pretty fucking normal.
Black sheep are still sheep.
I think thats an oversimplification in the context of this thread. And you fall under my abstract categories as Group B (does not believe "what is normal" exists).
Thus, from your worldview that thinks that "what is normal does not exist", the definition of "normal" for you changes to "ones own quirks" instead of "the desired behaviour/thoughts"
Maybe not expressing this the best way. I'll try from another angle - normal only exists if you care about normal. If being normal is not important to you then there ceases to be such a thing. "Normal" people may well disagree with you about this but fuck 'em, they're weird.
"Normal" is where you decided to stop screaming :wink:
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on January 06, 2010, 04:04:00 PM
Quote from: JohNyx on January 06, 2010, 03:43:22 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on January 06, 2010, 03:37:34 PM
I'd call both groups pretty fucking normal.
Black sheep are still sheep.
I think thats an oversimplification in the context of this thread. And you fall under my abstract categories as Group B (does not believe "what is normal" exists).
Thus, from your worldview that thinks that "what is normal does not exist", the definition of "normal" for you changes to "ones own quirks" instead of "the desired behaviour/thoughts"
Maybe not expressing this the best way. I'll try from another angle - normal only exists if you care about normal. If being normal is not important to you then there ceases to be such a thing. "Normal" people may well disagree with you about this but fuck 'em, they're weird.
Everyone is weird.
Quote from: Daisy Chainsaw
I was waiting all my life
to start living
when I am a child
I understand living
Everyone is weird
Everyone is weird
Everyone is so very weird
Then they all
with hand-me downs
destroy living
I was waiting all my life
to find my home
Everyone is weird
Everyone is weird
Everyone is so very weird
We were all handed-down an idea of "normal" that doesnt work. (In varying degrees, depending who the person is and what "normal" is trying to be imposed.
I'm normal to the floor...
Iptuous,
surprised nobody has made a stupid 'normal' joke yet...
Quote from: Iptuous on January 06, 2010, 04:44:46 PM
I'm normal to the floor...
Iptuous,
surprised nobody has made a stupid 'normal' joke yet...
No. You were normal, before you cut your mustache off.
I got a full beard on now...
mustache just isn't curly...
Iptuous,
curious as to whether TGRR got the math pun.
Quote from: Richter on January 06, 2010, 03:19:09 PM
As soon as I meet a "Normal", I intend to bag them and take them into the EPA. Once we prove the species still exists, we can get them put on the endngered list.
Fair "My own experience" dose here, but just about everyone will take a jaunt unto the weird form time to time. Like dressing up fancy for a good dinner, or "slumming it", they put on the face for awhile, and then take it off once they've had their fun. What makes the "US" different from the "THEM"? Tolerance, maybe. We have more for the us, less for the them. We can tolerate the atmosphere that the rest of them breath and give majority positive reviews too for a time, but we still have to shove our faces into a puddle or gutter every so often to catch our breath. Dry, flavorless air and the flat sky full of fake stars that most of THEM love, it just dries out and chafes on me after awhile.
I doubt there even is an us or them anymore. The freaks are too prosaic now, the normals too strange.
:mittens:
I can attest to the existence of at least one Normal; I met him in a chemistry class one day. He wasn't a Normal based on any intrinsic property, characteristic, or genetic defect (in fact, he's seen as a bit strange by many people); he was a Normal because of his attitude.
I agree that nearly everyone takes a jaunt into the weird every once in a while. As I said in the OP, nearly everyone needs a little bit of it every once in a while to stay alive.
The PD does say, after all, that cabbages are simply dressed up as human beings by Greyfaced orders, not that anyone who is boring or not a Discordian is a cabbage. The horrifying part isn't that we're a few lively humans surrounded by cabbages; it's that we're a few humans with a high tolerance for new and unusual experiences surrounded by humans with a low tolerance for that sort of thing. Or maybe it's not horrifying. I suppose that depends on whether or not it bothers you to be sharing a species.
"Us" vs. "Them" in this context is not a real, arbitrary boundary between people who are somehow inherently deviant from the mainstream and people who spend most of their time in the mainstream. Hell, we've often discussed whether or not there even is a mainstream anymore in the Strange Times. I would propose, as a tentative definition, that the people we are casually sticking with the label of "Them" in this context are people who DO believe there is still a mainstream to follow, and that they feel most comfortable when they think they are following it (regardless of how much time they actually spend directly following it; after all, doing everything exactly opposite the mainstream is the same as following it, since you're still using it as your primary point of reference).
Quote from: Darth Cupcake on January 06, 2010, 03:43:53 PM
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on January 06, 2010, 06:48:05 AM
Very nice Cainad!
I feel self-conscious when I talk about this stuff because of the us vs. them dichotomy, but at the same time I have realized that it's healthy for me to recognize it because I need to protect myself from getting emotionally engaged with someone who will inevitably, ultimately, tire of me.
Yes. I HATE having the "us vs. them" idea, because I really don't think it's that clear cut or simple. However, it's true that you can find people who share your "weirdness," people who are entertained by your "weirdness," and people who are entertained by your "weirdness" and therefore want to share it. The first and the last are gravy. It's the ones in the middle that you have to watch out for.
Quote
I am not holding freakishness up as a higher state of being, because it often comes with drawbacks, sometimes major ones. Being high-strung or struggling or just plain crazy are not really things to idealize, and frankly, being weird in ways that permeate your life is not usually something that makes you feel good all the time. It's hard on you, and hard on your loved ones. And you get down on yourself, especially after the hundredth time you really liked someone and thought you had a connection with them and then they tire of your amusing antics and find someone else to spend time with.
But now is probably a good time to stop being down about it, and look around in the world at the other freaks, and realize that we're totally fucking okay, and not collectible novelties. We're not cute. We're not funny. We're just regular people who don't quite fit in with the other regular people.
Drawbacks are part of what keep weirdness a novelty item, though. If there weren't drawbacks, everyone would be weird. But the worst part is, the drawbacks become almost fetishized--like the idea that you can't be a really talented writer or artist or musician or whatever if you aren't depressed and tortured. So people will foster problems in the idea that they'll become weird, and they'll fetishize these drawbacks in others. Until they realize there's reality to it, and the drawbacks aren't just another novelty.
Did that make sense? But anyways, I LOVE the "we're just regular people who don't quite fit in with the other regular people." That's great.
Quote from: JohNyx on January 06, 2010, 03:34:09 PM
From an abstract concept of "what is normal" there are two main positions/stances:
Group A believes "what is normal" exists, and actively tries to be it.
Group B does not believe "what is normal" exists, and thus doesnt try to be it.
I love that way of looking at it.
What D-Cup said!
This is not about "Normals" or "Cabbages" or "Grayface". This is about being treated like a novelty act, a freak, rather than someone to really connect with and understand as a human being, and recognizing when that's happening and walking away from it, and embracing that you're OK even when it happens rather than feeling bad about it.
Exactly.
Unfortunately, wishful thinking makes it a lot harder to tell when people consider you a novelty.
this fread is :mittens::1fap:
Im sure this was stated in a similar fashion somewhere else and perhaps several times but id like to give it a small spin:
Normal is a mask that people like to wear, so that they dont become the tallest stem of grass (which is always the first one to be cut, metaphorically speaking).
Id like to think most of us can see thru the masks and therefore know its just a facade and not the actual person. Some people use this facade for its benefits, while others think its the ideal that they should become.
I.E. wearing a suit, clean-trim hair and a stoic expression, compared with long multicolored hair, piercings, makeup while laughing maniacally.
This entire thread is :mittens:
Quote from: JohNyx on January 06, 2010, 08:31:03 PM
Im sure this was stated in a similar fashion somewhere else and perhaps several times but id like to give it a small spin:
Normal is a mask that people like to wear, so that they dont become the tallest stem of grass (which is always the first one to be cut, metaphorically speaking).
Id like to think most of us can see thru the masks and therefore know its just a facade and not the actual person. Some people use this facade for its benefits, while others think its the ideal that they should become.
I.E. wearing a suit, clean-trim hair and a stoic expression, compared with long multicolored hair, piercings, makeup while laughing maniacally.
It's really not about what you wear or your style choices. I LOOK like a completely nice normal 30-something mom. Even with the nose ring, which most people don't notice at first (It's gold, people are oddly trained to disregard gold). It's about who you are when your guard is let down, in interpersonal relationships. When people see you as a fun novelty act, they are probably expecting you to drop that act when you're at home relaxing, and if you continue to be what they consider "eccentric" after that point, then, after a few months when they realize you're not doing it to entertain them, they'll find it difficult to be around. Kind of like how I find it difficult to be around someone who comes home and sits their ass in front of a TV with a bowl of Cheetos. We all pretty much just want to spend our downtime with people who are enough like us that they don't tax us. The more out of sync with society you are internally, the harder it will be to find someone like that, although often people who are more in sync will find your out-of-syncness is appealing. For a while.
They gather round me like moths around a flame. Just like the moths they know if they get too close or if they stay too long they'll burn up but something deep inside compels them to stick around. For as long as they can handle the heat.
They call me crazy but it's not the kind of crazy where they elbow their friend and tell them not to look at the guy with his trousers round his ankles, pissing in the middle of a crowded street and screaming his head off. It's not that kind of crazy. Same ballpark, different rules.
This is the kind of crazy that they love to be around but they prefer to do it in groups. In case something bad happens. The kind of thing I have no fear of, for instance but it terrifies the living shit out of them. They don't want to be alone with me when I do the kind of insane shit that they need the safety of numbers to protect them from but they want to see it.
So I serve the function and attend the drinking session or the party or whatever the hell they figured would be more fun with the crazy guy there and I dunno if it's more fun cos I just do what I do and shit happens and we go for a swim and they suddenly find themselves out of their depth.
I do it cos I love to see the looks on their faces when they realise they can't reach the bottom anymore. :evil:
In all honesty, I have no idea what text-book "normal" is. I always thought just to act myself. I was "normal" to my parents, and they were "normal" to me. But once I started school I realized that not everyone acts the same way that my family did. The perspective changed a whole hell of a lot once I started observing others. Its really something that goes along with perspective. What your definition of "normal" is. I don't fit in with alot of the people in this city. But the people I do fit in with accept me for what I am and what I stand for etc. And if they really don't like it then just let it go. I don't try to act different or normal. I just act myself. That's so much more easier than trying to be something I'm not.
On the same subject though, I DO NOT keep people around me that only like me for the novelty. Just because I may be a little different than what they are used to I refuse to tolerate anyone using me just as a way to get out of their monotonous lives. This doesn't mean that I kick everyone to the curb that enjoys my presence. If I did that then I would not have any friends. Its just that after a while you learn the earmarks of a real friend and someone that just wants you around to liven their life up for a short time.
Some people just can't appreciate other people's ability to act themselves. Hell, they think its taboo and kreee-aaazy to act like your own person. God forbid you think for yourself.
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on January 06, 2010, 06:48:05 AM
We're just regular people who don't quite fit in with the other regular people.
I really like this.
And thumbs up to the thread in general.
My weirdness is a weird weirdness. I am not the type that associates with the perverts, the fetishists, the psychedelic flower children, or your run-of-the-mill freaks. No, mine is far quieter than any of those. It's just that somehow, I feel as though I don't much fit.
It was abundantly obvious to me that I was different from the rest at a young age, in various ways. While all the other kids liked going to youth group or sniffing gasoline I liked flowers. While other kids were at afterschool practice, I was reading about classical Japanese literature. And being the only gay kid at Christian school didn't bolster my feelings of belonging. I was well like by my peers, yet somehow distanced from them. People regarded me as something unique but inaccessible, someone fun to have but no fun to have as a friend. As I grew a bit older I became disappointed in people who didn't understand the delight in uncommon things, who are of course so many in this mediocre world. I became shy, knowing that no one would understand if I would share myself with them, even find it repulsive. Even today I find myself over analyzing what I say and do, afraid that if someone were to find out what I were really like, they would no longer like me.
The irony about that, Nasturtiums, is that it's when you do drop those filters and be the real you, people like you more. Sometimes even people who really like you for you, and not just as a novelty.
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on January 07, 2010, 05:01:03 AM
The irony about that, Nasturtiums, is that it's when you do drop those filters and be the real you, people like you more. Sometimes even people who really like you for you, and not just as a novelty.
This is so true. The more you try to act the way you think people want you to act the less respect they have for you. If you just act yourself people tend to have a bit more respect for you.
Nasturtiums, I can relate to you. As Nigel has said - when you DO drop those filters and be the raw unprocessed you, people just somewhat begin to open to you more and you become more recieved.
As you have mentioned that your main concern is not being well recieved anymore, do you feel like your putting up a front for the benefit of it for others? That people wouldn't like you for being you? It is harder when you feel like you don't belong. But, here you are sharing yourself Nasturtiums, and here people are being given a glimpse into a part of you and I am certain there is an understanding. I know for certain I can see it.
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on January 07, 2010, 05:01:03 AM
The irony about that, Nasturtiums, is that it's when you do drop those filters and be the real you, people like you more. Sometimes even people who really like you for you, and not just as a novelty.
I have found this to be true, mostly in my career.
I get repeat clients.
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on January 07, 2010, 05:01:03 AM
The irony about that, Nasturtiums, is that it's when you do drop those filters and be the real you, people like you more. Sometimes even people who really like you for you, and not just as a novelty.
It's true, it really is something I have to work on. I'm beginning to tire of closing up like some sort of socially reticent bivalve around people when I feel I'm not fun enough, interesting enough, or conventional enough for.
Quote from: NotPublished on January 07, 2010, 05:16:46 AM
Nasturtiums, I can relate to you. As Nigel has said - when you DO drop those filters and be the raw unprocessed you, people just somewhat begin to open to you more and you become more recieved.
As you have mentioned that your main concern is not being well recieved anymore, do you feel like your putting up a front for the benefit of it for others? That people wouldn't like you for being you? It is harder when you feel like you don't belong. But, here you are sharing yourself Nasturtiums, and here people are being given a glimpse into a part of you and I am certain there is an understanding. I know for certain I can see it.
Well, one of the reasons I like these forums is because I do feel comfortable amongst you spags. I can be my faggy-ass self and not have to worry about rolling eyes or weird stares, or offending someone's delicate sensibilities. I feel a sense of contentment knowing that I am amongst fellow weirdos.
Quote from: Nasturtiums on January 07, 2010, 05:32:23 AM
Well, one of the reasons I like these forums is because I do feel comfortable amongst you spags. I can be my faggy-ass self and not have to worry about rolling eyes or weird stares, or offending someone's delicate sensibilities. I feel a sense of contentment knowing that I am amongst fellow weirdos.
Ah :) That makes sense.
But I would like to say one thing - Do not feel like that other people are easily offended or put off. If they are, its their own fault. You shouldn't feel responsible for causing the offense. People usually shrug it off, or they might not even find it offending but something that could be refreshing or truly humourous. You never know - you may just meet someone who secretly is the same on the inside but they are putting up a front for the sake of not losing grace. But ask yourself, is this how you want to be in life?
I've seen some of your humour around the forums, and it makes me laugh. You shouldn't feel that you aren't a fun person, or not interesting etc - The interests you stated earlier has me damn curious for sure! What your saying, could very well end up being excuses which you made so that you can hold yourself back. Now I'm not going to say I know you personally, but it is just a thought to ponder with.
That is one thing, depending where you live, that makes it hard no matter how you express yourself.
If you just have that build, or that voice, or I guess that feel to you, the one that sends homophobes (or the mindlessly uncomfortable) into mouth frothing rage.
Just a swish of the hips is all it takes. I don't really identify with my sexuality very much anymore, but that's all some people leave you with, all that bounces off them like a fun-house mirror.
And then, when I dated women in the same small town, everybody lost their shit. No "friends" left, nobody to endlessly marvel at my safely stereotypically queer quirkiness, just my SO's who all found that the novelty of being with a delicate, still quite queer man to be just that, novelty.
Well fuck that. And fuck them all.
Tolerance. My. Ass.
Fuck that shit! Tolerance is a load of shit sometimes...
I know I am gay, but alot of the times I get questioned if I am just going through a phase - I get told "Oh but I don't get the vibe from you"... Now some people I know had the nerve to say "Ohh he's becomming a party Gay. I saw this from the start" - BUT THEY were the people who said I was straight. Hahahahahaa.
You know, all I wanted to do was go out clubbing and I bought some new clothes so I could look good.
But it isn't stopping me, I just lost respect for them. I don't see it as a big deal, but leave me the fuck alone!
Where you live does make a huge difference in how well whatever it is that makes you different is tolerated.
I couldn't tell you exactly what my eccentricities are (though I have grown accustomed to the "oh, you're so cute!" laugh when I am being totally serious, also sometimes when I am being a total asshole), but one that I am very aware of is that I am often silent for extended periods of time. This makes a lot of people really uncomfortable. It quite possibly stems from the chronic tonsillitis I had for about 20 years, when if I talked too much my throat would get really really raw. Or I just get overstimulated, or I need to think for a while. Whatever the reason, this means my close friends are either comfortable with extended periods of complete silence, are comfortable just talking and telling me stories so I can listen and not talk, or do both.
Sometimes I do go on talking sprees, especially with some people or at dinner parties where there is a rapid flow of ideas. But, for a lot of people, silence = discomfort and they find it awkward.
When I have nothing to say I don't say it. I sometimes wish everyone was like that. Inane chatter does my head in and makes me want to use a chainsaw in ways that directly contravene the safety instructions. :argh!:
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on January 07, 2010, 08:55:29 AM
When I have nothing to say I don't say it. I sometimes wish everyone was like that. Inane chatter does my head in and makes me want to use a chainsaw in ways that directly contravene the safety instructions. :argh!:
:lulz: i have to agree
Quote from: Nasturtiums on January 07, 2010, 04:41:59 AM
My weirdness is a weird weirdness. I am not the type that associates with the perverts, the fetishists, the psychedelic flower children, or your run-of-the-mill freaks. No, mine is far quieter than any of those. It's just that somehow, I feel as though I don't much fit.
It was abundantly obvious to me that I was different from the rest at a young age, in various ways. While all the other kids liked going to youth group or sniffing gasoline I liked flowers. While other kids were at afterschool practice, I was reading about classical Japanese literature. And being the only gay kid at Christian school didn't bolster my feelings of belonging. I was well like by my peers, yet somehow distanced from them. People regarded me as something unique but inaccessible, someone fun to have but no fun to have as a friend. As I grew a bit older I became disappointed in people who didn't understand the delight in uncommon things, who are of course so many in this mediocre world. I became shy, knowing that no one would understand if I would share myself with them, even find it repulsive. Even today I find myself over analyzing what I say and do, afraid that if someone were to find out what I were really like, they would no longer like me.
Sexual orientation makes you intrinsecally different from the norm.
Showing how you truly are to others, puts you in a more vulnerable position, but i think it can pay off; good and bad reactions is better than no reaction (id say).
Quote from: NotPublished on January 07, 2010, 05:50:40 AM
I know I am gay, but alot of the times I get questioned if I am just going through a phase
I think everyone here got questioned in this manner about our quirks at one time or another.
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on January 07, 2010, 08:19:26 AM
Where you live does make a huge difference in how well whatever it is that makes you different is tolerated.
I am often silent for extended periods of time. This makes a lot of people really uncomfortable.
Sometimes I do go on talking sprees, especially with some people or at dinner parties where there is a rapid flow of ideas. But, for a lot of people, silence = discomfort and they find it awkward.
Im kinda schizoid and introverted and i only like to talk with people im close or interested in.
To me it seems that the more time one spends talking, the less time one gets for introspection; talking and spending all the time interacting with someone else can be a defense-mechanism, so those "bad thoughts" dont emerge.
Culturally speaking, me being schizoid is a negative deviation; psycho-pathologically speaking, its not negative necessarily.
Being homosexual is bad either if its by choice or if its intrinsical: if its by choice, they are sick perverts; if its intrinsical, that means they are just freaks of nature.
People that are homosexual its because of how their triangulation within the Oedipus complex turned out (i think) which responds to randomness rather than choice by the child or parents. Its :horrormirth: to see the DSM-IV still listed it as a fetish/perversion (changed in the recent DSM-IVTR).
Its a monkey reaction to view it as bad, because it derives from religious ideology that states man should be with woman, it also derives from ancient nomad times when there was a lot of mortality, and a lot of babies were needed if the tribe was not to be exterminated by the animals and environment, survival through numbers. But if we arent kind to that religious ideology, and we arent ancient nomad tribes, then why should we stick to that idea? Id wish more people were gay, so we didnt have a fucking overpopulation boom, which only reduces the value of each individual to those in power, and is raping the limited resources we have.
My psych professors gave a great overview of "Normal".
Normal can be defined by averages, and statistics. This is a pitfall though, as it tries to describe pathology, or normality based on a one time analysis of the occurence of a given trait in a (hopefully) representative sample. History, especially recently, has proven that most people shouldn't be trusted with statistics. (Lack of appropriately rigorous scientific thinking.)
They presented a definition, especially for clinical work, or normality as functionality. Can a person, despite their unique combinations of nature and nurture, circumstance and hangups, act positively in society with others? (Ex: You could hallcinate a jabberwocky stalking you every day to try to eat you. If you are OK with this, or can function because you always carry a pack of bubblegum (A little known natural jabberwock repelant.), then no worries.)
It was an important distinction, I thought. Individual preferences, quirks, beliefs, or traits, regardless of their rarity, mean NOTHING until they become harmful to the person or others.
Quote from: Richter on January 07, 2010, 02:49:36 PM
My psych professors gave a great overview of "Normal".
Normal can be defined by averages, and statistics. This is a pitfall though, as it tries to describe pathology, or normality based on a one time analysis of the occurence of a given trait in a (hopefully) representative sample. History, especially recently, has proven that most people shouldn't be trusted with statistics. (Lack of appropriately rigorous scientific thinking.)
They presented a definition, especially for clinical work, or normality as functionality. Can a person, despite their unique combinations of nature and nurture, circumstance and hangups, act positively in society with others? (Ex: You could hallcinate a jabberwocky stalking you every day to try to eat you. If you are OK with this, or can function because you always carry a pack of bubblegum (A little known natural jabberwock repelant.), then no worries.)
It was an important distinction, I thought. Individual preferences, quirks, beliefs, or traits, regardless of their rarity, mean NOTHING until they become harmful to the person or others.
Isnt that the associated in the sense of definition to "addiction"?; "Its only addiction when it impairs your functioning and wellbeing"
And yes, if "normality" was defined as "functionality/satisfaction of needs" i wouldnt have a problem with it.
You guys are all really fucking weird.
Quote from: LMNO on January 07, 2010, 03:15:12 PM
You guys are all really fucking weird.
Of course YOU'D say that. You filthy statistical outlier.
DOES THE SANCTITY OF THE BELL CURVE MEAN NOTHING TO YOU?
I FUCK JOHANN CARL FRIEDRICH GAUSS IN THE ASS!
:aaa:
Quote from: JohNyx on January 07, 2010, 03:09:51 PM
Isnt that the associated in the sense of definition to "addiction"?; "Its only addiction when it impairs your functioning and wellbeing"
And yes, if "normality" was defined as "functionality/satisfaction of needs" i wouldnt have a problem with it.
Addiction has connotation of tolerance, percieved need, and withdrawl symptoms beyond the basic need / function view of it. "Functional addiction" is a bit of a psychological cryptid, IMHO, since it's very hard to accurately observe and report on. Ethical hell would result from trying to do a serious study of this, and that's only IF you could get said highly functioning yet addictive behavior individuals to own up to their vices.
It's sort of the more serious side of the pills discussion with TGRR. I start to doubt if many people can naturally cope with the anxiety and stresses of some job expectations without some for of medication, perscribed or self, which further introduces the environmental complications to a discussion of normality, pathology, or addicition. (I had a job once myself where I was functional only by virtue of the drink. Very possible I buzzed alchoholism, but I was still doing the job.) (Beyond addiction, even, you have to consider environment in just about ANY analysis of people. Even pedophiles can site environments where they are "Normal".)
Very complicated issue; im just gonna agree, because i only have my personal experiences without much systemization.
Quote from: JohNyx on January 07, 2010, 02:10:21 PM
Quote from: NotPublished on January 07, 2010, 05:50:40 AM
I know I am gay, but alot of the times I get questioned if I am just going through a phase
I think everyone here got questioned in this manner about our quirks at one time or another.
Still do.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 07, 2010, 03:53:25 PM
Quote from: JohNyx on January 07, 2010, 02:10:21 PM
Quote from: NotPublished on January 07, 2010, 05:50:40 AM
I know I am gay, but alot of the times I get questioned if I am just going through a phase
I think everyone here got questioned in this manner about our quirks at one time or another.
Still do.
Well duh, Roger, its just a phase, you just havent got over it yet.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 07, 2010, 03:53:25 PM
Quote from: JohNyx on January 07, 2010, 02:10:21 PM
Quote from: NotPublished on January 07, 2010, 05:50:40 AM
I know I am gay, but alot of the times I get questioned if I am just going through a phase
I think everyone here got questioned in this manner about our quirks at one time or another.
Still do.
I
still think Roger's heterosexuality is a phase.
Quote from: JohNyx on January 07, 2010, 03:51:05 PM
Very complicated issue; im just gonna agree, because i only have my personal experiences without much systemization.
:| :cry:
Quote from: Richter on January 07, 2010, 04:25:16 PM
Quote from: JohNyx on January 07, 2010, 03:51:05 PM
Very complicated issue; im just gonna agree, because i only have my personal experiences without much systemization.
:| :cry:
Well, lol, i didnt want to stir shit again on that issue.
I personally just feel the need to smoke and use Atarax
tm, to cope with stress and to relax (and be able to sleep while under stress; also to counter my allergic reaction that happens in my eyes because of the contamination).
I quit cocaine and pot some years ago; cocaine because i feel its too harmful, pot just because i dont have junkie friends anymore and its not readily available, i would like to smoke a bud about once a month.
And in my case, i think i am able to cope with life without any other substances than the ones im using; even so, cigarrettes are my crutch in times of crisis and pressure, and i manage to quit in periods of 6 months with relapses of 3 months.
Potato - potato.....
The real question to me is "Why give a flying fuck?"
If you are happy with you fuck them.
If you aren't happy, change what you can and deal with the rest. It may not be fun, but it's usually better than the alternative.
Quote from: Khara on January 07, 2010, 04:43:14 PM
Potato - potato.....
The real question to me is "Why give a flying fuck?"
If you are happy with you fuck them.
If you aren't happy, change what you can and deal with the rest. It may not be fun, but it's usually better than the alternative.
If you dont give a "flying fuck", then why "fuck them" if you are so indifferent indeed?
Oh ok, ill change to fit in, and "spread em" for what i cant change. Yeah, because only
pussies are themselves.
Quote from: Khara on January 07, 2010, 04:43:14 PM
Potato - potato.....
The real question to me is "Why give a flying fuck?"
If you are happy with you fuck them.
If you aren't happy, change what you can and deal with the rest. It may not be fun, but it's usually better than the alternative.
Hey, then you've definitely got plenty of persepctive on the issue, compared to my stint in a bottle.
As long as you're doing it with intellignet discussion, stir away. I was more worried I had killed the the discussion getting too clinical.
Quote from: JohNyx on January 07, 2010, 04:47:52 PM
Quote from: Khara on January 07, 2010, 04:43:14 PM
Potato - potato.....
The real question to me is "Why give a flying fuck?"
If you are happy with you fuck them.
If you aren't happy, change what you can and deal with the rest. It may not be fun, but it's usually better than the alternative.
If you dont give a "flying fuck", then why "fuck them" if you are so indifferent indeed?
Oh ok, ill change to fit in, and "spread em" for what i cant change. Yeah, because only pussies are themselves.
I think there are some vague terms being tossed around.
The real question to me is "Why give a flying fuck
about what other people think?"
If you are happy with
who you
are, then fuck them
that think differently than you.
Hope that helps.
Quote from: JohNyx on January 07, 2010, 03:59:03 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 07, 2010, 03:53:25 PM
Quote from: JohNyx on January 07, 2010, 02:10:21 PM
Quote from: NotPublished on January 07, 2010, 05:50:40 AM
I know I am gay, but alot of the times I get questioned if I am just going through a phase
I think everyone here got questioned in this manner about our quirks at one time or another.
Still do.
Well duh, Roger, its just a phase, you just havent got over it yet.
Yep. I've been a freak since I could talk, so maybe another 39 years will cure me.
Quote from: LMNO on January 07, 2010, 04:21:30 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 07, 2010, 03:53:25 PM
Quote from: JohNyx on January 07, 2010, 02:10:21 PM
Quote from: NotPublished on January 07, 2010, 05:50:40 AM
I know I am gay, but alot of the times I get questioned if I am just going through a phase
I think everyone here got questioned in this manner about our quirks at one time or another.
Still do.
I still think Roger's heterosexuality is a phase.
Heh. I'm so heterosexual that I don't hate gays.
Quote from: LMNO on January 07, 2010, 04:51:00 PM
Quote from: JohNyx on January 07, 2010, 04:47:52 PM
Quote from: Khara on January 07, 2010, 04:43:14 PM
Potato - potato.....
The real question to me is "Why give a flying fuck?"
If you are happy with you fuck them.
If you aren't happy, change what you can and deal with the rest. It may not be fun, but it's usually better than the alternative.
If you dont give a "flying fuck", then why "fuck them" if you are so indifferent indeed?
Oh ok, ill change to fit in, and "spread em" for what i cant change. Yeah, because only pussies are themselves.
I think there are some vague terms being tossed around.
The real question to me is "Why give a flying fuck about what other people think?"
If you are happy with who you are, then fuck them that think differently than you.
Hope that helps.
Thanks LMNO, I thought it was understandable, but I guess not. :?
S'ok, I'm out of it.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 07, 2010, 04:54:02 PM
Quote from: LMNO on January 07, 2010, 04:21:30 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 07, 2010, 03:53:25 PM
Quote from: JohNyx on January 07, 2010, 02:10:21 PM
Quote from: NotPublished on January 07, 2010, 05:50:40 AM
I know I am gay, but alot of the times I get questioned if I am just going through a phase
I think everyone here got questioned in this manner about our quirks at one time or another.
Still do.
I still think Roger's heterosexuality is a phase.
Heh. I'm so heterosexual that I don't hate gays.
This needs to be a T-Shirt.
Quote from: LMNO on January 07, 2010, 04:51:00 PM
Quote from: JohNyx on January 07, 2010, 04:47:52 PM
Quote from: Khara on January 07, 2010, 04:43:14 PM
Potato - potato.....
The real question to me is "Why give a flying fuck?"
If you are happy with you fuck them.
If you aren't happy, change what you can and deal with the rest. It may not be fun, but it's usually better than the alternative.
If you dont give a "flying fuck", then why "fuck them" if you are so indifferent indeed?
Oh ok, ill change to fit in, and "spread em" for what i cant change. Yeah, because only pussies are themselves.
I think there are some vague terms being tossed around.
The real question to me is "Why give a flying fuck about what other people think?"
If you are happy with who you are, then fuck them that think differently than you.
Hope that helps.
Why care? Because getting into the narcissistic
facade of "fuck everyone, i dont need anyone and it doesnt affect me!" is just overcompensation.
I should go live in a fucking mountain as a hermit, so that nothing that anyone thinks or does will affect me.
Quote from: JohNyx on January 07, 2010, 04:47:52 PM
Quote from: Khara on January 07, 2010, 04:43:14 PM
Potato - potato.....
The real question to me is "Why give a flying fuck?"
If you are happy with you fuck them.
If you aren't happy, change what you can and deal with the rest. It may not be fun, but it's usually better than the alternative.
If you dont give a "flying fuck", then why "fuck them" if you are so indifferent indeed?
Oh ok, ill change to fit in, and "spread em" for what i cant change. Yeah, because only pussies are themselves.
Grow the fuck up.
Christ on a crutch, bitch moan and whine because you're weird and they don' like you. You took what I said and turned it around. I didn't say change to fit in you stupid fuck, I said change to be
happy. LEARN TO FUCKING READ. If you can't change it and be happy, then deal with it, or choose your route and whine like a little fucking bitch. Grown ups have to deal with shit every fucking day that they don't like and can't change. IT IS CALLED LIFE!
Pussies aren't themselves, it takes a lot of strength to be yourself.
There is no fucking normal because every single person has their own definition of what is normal.
We're all weird! Or we're all normal. It depends on the day, time, and what the fuck your doing.
I need people to hate. I hate some people more than others, so I do care what they think.
Quote from: JohNyx on January 07, 2010, 04:56:58 PM
Quote from: LMNO on January 07, 2010, 04:51:00 PM
Quote from: JohNyx on January 07, 2010, 04:47:52 PM
Quote from: Khara on January 07, 2010, 04:43:14 PM
Potato - potato.....
The real question to me is "Why give a flying fuck?"
If you are happy with you fuck them.
If you aren't happy, change what you can and deal with the rest. It may not be fun, but it's usually better than the alternative.
If you dont give a "flying fuck", then why "fuck them" if you are so indifferent indeed?
Oh ok, ill change to fit in, and "spread em" for what i cant change. Yeah, because only pussies are themselves.
I think there are some vague terms being tossed around.
The real question to me is "Why give a flying fuck about what other people think?"
If you are happy with who you are, then fuck them that think differently than you.
Hope that helps.
Why care? Because getting into the narcissistic facade of "fuck everyone, i dont need anyone and it doesnt affect me!" is just overcompensation.
I should go live in a fucking mountain as a hermit, so that nothing that anyone thinks or does will affect me.
...ok, I got nuthin.
I was trying to say that if you're comfortable with who you are and you're not hurting anyone, you shouldn't feel guilty about it, no matter what some people might say.
But maybe I should just call you El Topo.
Maybe we all should shut the fuck up.
Because obviously discussing about the processes of social stigmatization that affect us all in some form or other are not important.
And God forbid im a psychology student and i have interest in the subject, instead of living out a confrontational attitude with anyone that doesnt think like me.
Quote from: JohNyx on January 07, 2010, 05:11:43 PM
Maybe we all should shut the fuck up.
Because obviously discussing about the processes of social stigmatization that affect us all in some form or other are not important.
And God forbid im a psychology student and i have interest in the subject, instead of living out a confrontational attitude with anyone that doesnt think like me.
What's the root word of "discordianism", Johnny?
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 07, 2010, 05:13:04 PM
Quote from: JohNyx on January 07, 2010, 05:11:43 PM
Maybe we all should shut the fuck up.
Because obviously discussing about the processes of social stigmatization that affect us all in some form or other are not important.
And God forbid im a psychology student and i have interest in the subject, instead of living out a confrontational attitude with anyone that doesnt think like me.
What's the root word of "discordianism", Johnny?
Its disco :argh!:
Quote from: Khara on January 07, 2010, 05:02:33 PM
Quote from: JohNyx on January 07, 2010, 04:47:52 PM
Quote from: Khara on January 07, 2010, 04:43:14 PM
Potato - potato.....
The real question to me is "Why give a flying fuck?"
If you are happy with you fuck them.
If you aren't happy, change what you can and deal with the rest. It may not be fun, but it's usually better than the alternative.
If you dont give a "flying fuck", then why "fuck them" if you are so indifferent indeed?
Oh ok, ill change to fit in, and "spread em" for what i cant change. Yeah, because only pussies are themselves.
Grow the fuck up.
Christ on a crutch, bitch moan and whine because you're weird and they don' like you. You took what I said and turned it around. I didn't say change to fit in you stupid fuck, I said change to be happy. LEARN TO FUCKING READ. If you can't change it and be happy, then deal with it, or choose your route and whine like a little fucking bitch. Grown ups have to deal with shit every fucking day that they don't like and can't change. IT IS CALLED LIFE!
Pussies aren't themselves, it takes a lot of strength to be yourself.
There is no fucking normal because every single person has their own definition of what is normal.
We're all weird! Or we're all normal. It depends on the day, time, and what the fuck your doing.
Yea, because obviosly
having a discussion of what is normal is
whining like a little bitch.And we should all bow down to Queen Khara when she decides to stomp in and tell us to stop talking about non-sense.
...and to the left, we can see JohNyx becoming completely unhinged for no apparent reason...
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holy shit guys
chill
Ain't nobody gonna get their Pope card revoked based on their attitude towards social interaction as expressed ITT.
Quote from: JohNyx on January 07, 2010, 05:17:47 PM
Quote from: Khara on January 07, 2010, 05:02:33 PM
Quote from: JohNyx on January 07, 2010, 04:47:52 PM
Quote from: Khara on January 07, 2010, 04:43:14 PM
Potato - potato.....
The real question to me is "Why give a flying fuck?"
If you are happy with you fuck them.
If you aren't happy, change what you can and deal with the rest. It may not be fun, but it's usually better than the alternative.
If you dont give a "flying fuck", then why "fuck them" if you are so indifferent indeed?
Oh ok, ill change to fit in, and "spread em" for what i cant change. Yeah, because only pussies are themselves.
Grow the fuck up.
Christ on a crutch, bitch moan and whine because you're weird and they don' like you. You took what I said and turned it around. I didn't say change to fit in you stupid fuck, I said change to be happy. LEARN TO FUCKING READ. If you can't change it and be happy, then deal with it, or choose your route and whine like a little fucking bitch. Grown ups have to deal with shit every fucking day that they don't like and can't change. IT IS CALLED LIFE!
Pussies aren't themselves, it takes a lot of strength to be yourself.
There is no fucking normal because every single person has their own definition of what is normal.
We're all weird! Or we're all normal. It depends on the day, time, and what the fuck your doing.
Yea, because obviosly having a discussion of what is normal is whining like a little bitch.
And we should all bow down to Queen Khara when she decides to stomp in and tell us to stop talking about non-sense.
FUCK YOU!
I wasn't being a bitch until you took my words and twisted them into what you wanted them to say.
My point was, you can't let that shit get to you, because normal is relative. But you couldn't just take that, oh no, you had to get all snarky and shitty.
So FUCK YOU asshole, I hope you die screaming and twisting in a vat of acid!
Because im telephatic and know what you mean when you type ambiguous phrasings.
Sorry.
WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
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THIS FREAD FUCKING PWNS!
:popcorn:
WE'RE ALL TOO WEIRD TO EVER COMMUNCIATE WITH EACH OTHER!
OUR DIFFERENCE DOOMS US TO INEVITABLE FAILURE!
SUCH EVIL FATE THE GODS HAVE CAST UPON HUMANITY!
WE'RE ALL FUCKED!
/
:richter:
Yes, use your fists and not your mouth.
-JohNyx,
means it for oral sex too.
Quote from: JohNyx on January 07, 2010, 05:49:42 PM
Yes, use your fists and not your mouth.
-JohNyx,
means it for oral sex too.
Hey, Johnny...why are you picking fights? I'm just curious.
I'm kind of thinking that it may be time to call "Daruko".
If it is him, kudos on keeping it together this long.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 07, 2010, 06:09:37 PM
I'm kind of thinking that it may be time to call "Daruko".
If it is him, kudos on keeping it together this long.
It would fit the pattern, in that I was just starting to like him.
Quote from: Cainad on January 07, 2010, 06:12:02 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 07, 2010, 06:09:37 PM
I'm kind of thinking that it may be time to call "Daruko".
If it is him, kudos on keeping it together this long.
It would fit the pattern, in that I was just starting to like him.
Daruko was saying he had another account. And Johhny went from nice guy to raging asshat in 2 seconds flat, which also fits the pattern.
Not to mention a sudden, uncalled-for suggestion that the person he's arguing with should suck it:
Quote from: JohNyx on January 07, 2010, 05:49:42 PM
Yes, use your fists and not your mouth.
-JohNyx,
means it for oral sex too.
That was Daruko's favorite fallback.
If not Durk, then an uncanny resemblance.
Quote from: Cainad on January 07, 2010, 06:27:09 PM
Not to mention a sudden, uncalled-for suggestion that the person he's arguing with should suck it:
Quote from: JohNyx on January 07, 2010, 05:49:42 PM
Yes, use your fists and not your mouth.
-JohNyx,
means it for oral sex too.
That was Daruko's favorite fallback.
If not Durk, then an uncanny resemblance.
Well, when I get to my home comp tonight, I'll track his IP. If it's around Chicago, then we know the deal.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 07, 2010, 06:17:31 PM
Quote from: Cainad on January 07, 2010, 06:12:02 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 07, 2010, 06:09:37 PM
I'm kind of thinking that it may be time to call "Daruko".
If it is him, kudos on keeping it together this long.
It would fit the pattern, in that I was just starting to like him.
Daruko was saying he had another account. And Johhny went from nice guy to raging asshat in 2 seconds flat, which also fits the pattern.
I was thinking along these lines as, like cainad, while not liking, I was finding him more tolerable than the average monkey. Eh I don't care, he is dead in a vat of acid to me. My lullaby shall be his hideous screams begging for death as he melts.... :evil:
I dunno, maybe I'm a softy (definite possibility), but I think everyone's getting super over reactive over something really rather small.
Also, I don't think the "means it for oral sex too" comment was meant to mean "suck it," I think it was an attempt at making a joke. Not that Khara should perform oral sex on him, but that were he approaching someone for oral sex he would ALSO say "use your fists and not your mouth" in that situation.
Bad timing and placement for said joke? Probably. *shrug* But I don't think that was a "suck it" comeback.
Quote from: Khara on January 07, 2010, 06:30:24 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 07, 2010, 06:17:31 PM
Quote from: Cainad on January 07, 2010, 06:12:02 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 07, 2010, 06:09:37 PM
I'm kind of thinking that it may be time to call "Daruko".
If it is him, kudos on keeping it together this long.
It would fit the pattern, in that I was just starting to like him.
Daruko was saying he had another account. And Johhny went from nice guy to raging asshat in 2 seconds flat, which also fits the pattern.
I was thinking along these lines as, like cainad, while not liking, I was finding him more tolerable than the average monkey. Eh I don't care, he is dead in a vat of acid to me. My lullaby shall be his hideous screams begging for death as he melts.... :evil:
Meh. If it's Daruko, I'll just ban him per RCH's instructions. If it's not, I'll just write him off as the next Daruko/Dead Kennedy/Lamanite, and ignore whatever else he may have to say in the future.
Quote from: Darth Cupcake on January 07, 2010, 06:32:28 PM
I dunno, maybe I'm a softy (definite possibility), but I think everyone's getting super over reactive over something really rather small.
Also, I don't think the "means it for oral sex too" comment was meant to mean "suck it," I think it was an attempt at making a joke. Not that Khara should perform oral sex on him, but that were he approaching someone for oral sex he would ALSO say "use your fists and not your mouth" in that situation.
Bad timing and placement for said joke? Probably. *shrug* But I don't think that was a "suck it" comeback.
It's not just that, DC. He's been an ass for several days now, for no reason whatsoever.
"PLEASE KEEP ALL LIMBS INSIDE THE VEHICLE AT ALL TIMES."
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Wow.
I have to say, I totally see JohNyx's perspective in all this. Khara's post really did read like "Who cares if people don't like you? Fuck 'em, or change" which is, I think, what he was responding to.
The deal here seems to be, some people here feel alienated from the majority. Others don't, or think there's a simple solution to that feeling.
The people who do feel alienated perceive that as an attempt to invalidate their feelings.
I was pretty sure the conversation had drifted into "personal consumption of certain chemicals" territory, the behavior and judgement of which was the subject of Jenne's post.
Also, I think that you guys who are jumping on him are totally wrong, and being complete fuckheads while you're at it.
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on January 07, 2010, 07:18:23 PM
Wow.
I have to say, I totally see JohNyx's perspective in all this. Khara's post really did read like "Who cares if people don't like you? Fuck 'em, or change" which is, I think, what he was responding to.
The deal here seems to be, some people here feel alienated from the majority. Others don't, or think there's a simple solution to that feeling.
The people who do feel alienated perceive that as an attempt to invalidate their feelings.
I'm done!
I wasn't nasty in my post. And if we go with it is so EASY to see I meant something I didn't, maybe asking a question or something instead of being a complete ass in his response would have been better.
I guess, as the fuckhead I am, I'll just walk away.
I will however make sure I misconstrue other people's posts to the way I want them to read on a regular basis from this point forward!
Quote from: LMNO on January 07, 2010, 07:20:46 PM
I was pretty sure the conversation had drifted into "personal consumption of certain chemicals" territory, the behavior and judgement of which was the subject of Jenne's post.
Even that was part of discussion of normal vs. abnormal as far is it went when addiction was involved, and if a functional addiction could be covered under functional quirks. Seemed on topic to me
I think that a fairly minor misunderstanding has blown up into a witchhunt.
Khara, I meant no offense to you, I'm just saying that I could totally see how he took your post. You clarified later, but then he got stuck on defending himself. Add a very small language barrier (his English seems perfect, but I've noticed some colloquial differences) and it turns into two people never quite getting what the other is trying to say, and a peanut gallery of assholes trying to find someone to burn.
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on January 07, 2010, 07:26:27 PM
I think that a fairly minor misunderstanding has blown up into a witchhunt.
Khara, I meant no offense to you, I'm just saying that I could totally see how he took your post. You clarified later, but then he got stuck on defending himself. Add a very small language barrier (his English seems perfect, but I've noticed some colloquial differences) and it turns into two people never quite getting what the other is trying to say, and a peanut gallery of assholes trying to find someone to burn.
Wow. Forget I said anything. Consider the matter dropped.
TGRR,
Asshole in the peanut gallery.
Quote from: Khara on January 07, 2010, 07:22:04 PM
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on January 07, 2010, 07:18:23 PM
Wow.
I have to say, I totally see JohNyx's perspective in all this. Khara's post really did read like "Who cares if people don't like you? Fuck 'em, or change" which is, I think, what he was responding to.
The deal here seems to be, some people here feel alienated from the majority. Others don't, or think there's a simple solution to that feeling.
The people who do feel alienated perceive that as an attempt to invalidate their feelings.
I'm done!
I wasn't nasty in my post. And if we go with it is so EASY to see I meant something I didn't, maybe asking a question or something instead of being a complete ass in his response would have been better.
I guess, as the fuckhead I am, I'll just walk away.
I will however make sure I misconstrue other people's posts to the way I want them to read on a regular basis from this point forward!
Khara, can you show me where he was a complete ass before you got nasty with him? I came into this late and read the whole thing, and I didn't see him getting nasty with you... at least not until after you told him to grow the fuck up.
FOR THE FUCKING RECORD....
In really simple words this time......
I do not understand or comprehend, (in other words I don't get it) why anyone cares about what other people think about them IF they are happy with themselves.
If they are not happy with themselves, then they can make an effort to change what they are not happy about with themselves in order to BE happy with themselves.
If they can't change it because of WHATEVER reason, environmental, socialogical, emotional, whatever reason, then they will have to deal with it, as the options of NOT dealing with it are usually hazardous to one's health.
Everyone at some point feels alienated in their lives.
No one can define normal for anyone except themselves. HOWEVER because I think one thing is normal doesn't make people who do not fall into that category weird.
Is that simple enough for everyone because if it isn't HA HA HA
I don't give a flying fuck! :lulz:
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 07, 2010, 07:29:08 PM
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on January 07, 2010, 07:26:27 PM
I think that a fairly minor misunderstanding has blown up into a witchhunt.
Khara, I meant no offense to you, I'm just saying that I could totally see how he took your post. You clarified later, but then he got stuck on defending himself. Add a very small language barrier (his English seems perfect, but I've noticed some colloquial differences) and it turns into two people never quite getting what the other is trying to say, and a peanut gallery of assholes trying to find someone to burn.
Wow. Forget I said anything. Consider the matter dropped.
TGRR,
Asshole in the peanut gallery.
We are all assholes in the peanut gallery sometimes. I am just calling it as I see it. It was a dogpile based on a fairly minor misunderstanding. If that guy is Daruko, I'll change my name to the Wrong Reverend Shitstain.
Dear Khara: Stop being so damn reasonable.
LMNO
-is joke.
Khara, do you understand why I used the word "feel" so much in my post?
Quote from: JohNyx on January 07, 2010, 04:47:52 PM
Quote from: Khara on January 07, 2010, 04:43:14 PM
Potato - potato.....
The real question to me is "Why give a flying fuck?"
If you are happy with you fuck them.
If you aren't happy, change what you can and deal with the rest. It may not be fun, but it's usually better than the alternative.
If you dont give a "flying fuck", then why "fuck them" if you are so indifferent indeed?
Oh ok, ill change to fit in, and "spread em" for what i cant change. Yeah, because only pussies are themselves.
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on January 07, 2010, 07:30:19 PM
Khara, can you show me where he was a complete ass before you got nasty with him? I came into this late and read the whole thing, and I didn't see him getting nasty with you... at least not until after you told him to grow the fuck up.
Nigel - Please see above!
Quote from: Khara on January 07, 2010, 07:30:57 PM
FOR THE FUCKING RECORD....
In really simple words this time......
I do not understand or comprehend, (in other words I don't get it) why anyone cares about what other people think about them IF they are happy with themselves.
If they are not happy with themselves, then they can make an effort to change what they are not happy about with themselves in order to BE happy with themselves.
If they can't change it because of WHATEVER reason, environmental, socialogical, emotional, whatever reason, then they will have to deal with it, as the options of NOT dealing with it are usually hazardous to one's health.
Everyone at some point feels alienated in their lives.
No one can define normal for anyone except themselves. HOWEVER because I think one thing is normal doesn't make people who do not fall into that category weird.
Is that simple enough for everyone because if it isn't HA HA HA
I don't give a flying fuck! :lulz:
People want to be liked, and loved, by other people. It is a human need.
Is is very obvious that you don't understand. Maybe you should leave it at that.
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on January 07, 2010, 07:33:11 PM
Khara, do you understand why I used the word "feel" so much in my post?
HUH?
Where?
Quote from: Khara on January 07, 2010, 07:34:23 PM
Quote from: JohNyx on January 07, 2010, 04:47:52 PM
Quote from: Khara on January 07, 2010, 04:43:14 PM
Potato - potato.....
The real question to me is "Why give a flying fuck?"
If you are happy with you fuck them.
If you aren't happy, change what you can and deal with the rest. It may not be fun, but it's usually better than the alternative.
If you dont give a "flying fuck", then why "fuck them" if you are so indifferent indeed?
Oh ok, ill change to fit in, and "spread em" for what i cant change. Yeah, because only pussies are themselves.
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on January 07, 2010, 07:30:19 PM
Khara, can you show me where he was a complete ass before you got nasty with him? I came into this late and read the whole thing, and I didn't see him getting nasty with you... at least not until after you told him to grow the fuck up.
Nigel - Please see above!
How was that being nasty to you? Because he made a sarcastic comment about how only pussies are themselves? How did that attack you? I mean, come on. That was not an attack.
It made it clear how he misunderstood your post, and a reasonable response would have been simply "No, that's not what I meant."
This post, Khara.
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on January 07, 2010, 07:18:23 PM
Wow.
I have to say, I totally see JohNyx's perspective in all this. Khara's post really did read like "Who cares if people don't like you? Fuck 'em, or change" which is, I think, what he was responding to.
The deal here seems to be, some people here feel alienated from the majority. Others don't, or think there's a simple solution to that feeling.
The people who do feel alienated perceive that as an attempt to invalidate their feelings.
Also, Khara, I'd like to point out that right now is a really good example of caring about people not understanding you. If you don't give a flying fuck whether people understand you, why are you making so many posts trying to clarify yourself?
I honestly don't believe that you "don't give a flying fuck". I think that's something people say to make themselves feel less vulnerable, because feeling alienated or misunderstood is a vulnerable position.
I'll apologize to JonNyx for jumping on him, since I was mostly peeved at having a thread I was enjoying sidetracked into shitflinging and wanted to blame someone. In retrospect, flinging my own shit wasn't exactly a brilliant way to go about expressing myself. :lulz:
I'm so sorry I was such a fucking bitch.
Please accept my apologies for hurting anyone's feelings.
I will refrain from any further sarcastic smartass posts in my responses as they are obviously only funny to me.
Now, is everyone all happy warm and fuzzy now?
As for caring Nigel, yes, there are people whose opinion of me I care about.
I also care that the one day, because we have snow and no phone calls, I am able to get on here and actually post a bit, it all goes to shit.
I've apologized, and as I said, I'm done.
Likewise.
OK, cool. I'm sorry if anything I said hurt anyone's feelings.
I had a thought a moment ago, which is that ultimately, this thread is not about "weirdness", it's about being liked, or loved, not for who you are, but for what you do.
It's pretty universal to want to be loved for who you are. Being loved for what you do makes you feel like a circus pony. Or, perhaps, an entertaining freak.
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on January 07, 2010, 07:57:58 PM
OK, cool. I'm sorry if anything I said hurt anyone's feelings.
I'm certain I'll get over it.
Oh, goddamnit!
I was just looking for a good spot the jump my happy little peanut ass into the fray, and you bastards decide to go all apologies and shit?!
wtf?
ok. i would like to apologize for the one post that i made in this thread, just in case it offended anybody and added to the air of aggression...
Sorry I contributed to shamelessly throwing up doomspeak and irrelevant emoticons. It was funny at the time.
Hey, Iptuous.
GO FUCK YOURSELF, MAN!
LMNO
-Just trying to help.
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on January 07, 2010, 07:57:58 PM
I had a thought a moment ago, which is that ultimately, this thread is not about "weirdness", it's about being liked, or loved, not for who you are, but for what you do.
It's pretty universal to want to be loved for who you are. Being loved for what you do makes you feel like a circus pony. Or, perhaps, an entertaining freak.
Oohhh. Yes.
That is well-put.
LMNO,
NO YUO!
Insensitive prick!
im sorry.
sorry man.
i really like your weirdness. it's just that i get so choked up about this shit man.
sorry.
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on January 07, 2010, 07:46:50 PM
Also, Khara, I'd like to point out that right now is a really good example of caring about people not understanding you. If you don't give a flying fuck whether people understand you, why are you making so many posts trying to clarify yourself?
I honestly don't believe that you "don't give a flying fuck". I think that's something people say to make themselves feel less vulnerable, because feeling alienated or misunderstood is a vulnerable position.
QFT!
Not having a dig at Khara, just human nature in general. I've met a lot of people who "couldn't give a fuck" so much they cried themselves to sleep over it
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on January 07, 2010, 08:43:46 PM
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on January 07, 2010, 07:46:50 PM
Also, Khara, I'd like to point out that right now is a really good example of caring about people not understanding you. If you don't give a flying fuck whether people understand you, why are you making so many posts trying to clarify yourself?
I honestly don't believe that you "don't give a flying fuck". I think that's something people say to make themselves feel less vulnerable, because feeling alienated or misunderstood is a vulnerable position.
QFT!
Not having a dig at Khara, just human nature in general. I've met a lot of people who "couldn't give a fuck" so much they cried themselves to sleep over it
That is not what I cry myself to sleep over.... For the record!
This-
Quote from: JohNyx on January 07, 2010, 05:49:42 PM
Yes, use your fists and not your mouth.
-JohNyx,
means it for oral sex too.
was a joke in response to:
Quote from: RichterWE'RE ALL TOO WEIRD TO EVER COMMUNCIATE WITH EACH OTHER!
OUR DIFFERENCE DOOMS US TO INEVITABLE FAILURE!
In which i meant that seeing how communication is not possible, we should just resort to violence and confrontation to prove our own points.
And i metaphorically extended the "not communicating/shutting up/not using your mouth" to never using your mouth even for situations that require it, such as oral sex, and implyied that if you have oral sex with someone, you should either fist their vagina or punch their dicks.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 07, 2010, 06:08:27 PM
Quote from: JohNyx on January 07, 2010, 05:49:42 PM
Yes, use your fists and not your mouth.
-JohNyx,
means it for oral sex too.
Hey, Johnny...why are you picking fights? I'm just curious.
And im not picking fights.
I have been posting more recently and things that actually have more meaning and value to me, so when i run into racists like Da6s i feel compelled to oppose it, or when i feel im being told to STFU i respond agressively.
Other than that, i dont think i have stirred much shit; even so, notice how i tiptoed around Richter trying to not invoke agression and was done more so ok.
I dont know if i should be insulted by the comparison to Daruko.
Go ahead and check, im not him.
Quote from: Khara on January 07, 2010, 08:47:38 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on January 07, 2010, 08:43:46 PM
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on January 07, 2010, 07:46:50 PM
Also, Khara, I'd like to point out that right now is a really good example of caring about people not understanding you. If you don't give a flying fuck whether people understand you, why are you making so many posts trying to clarify yourself?
I honestly don't believe that you "don't give a flying fuck". I think that's something people say to make themselves feel less vulnerable, because feeling alienated or misunderstood is a vulnerable position.
QFT!
Not having a dig at Khara, just human nature in general. I've met a lot of people who "couldn't give a fuck" so much they cried themselves to sleep over it
That is not what I cry myself to sleep over.... For the record!
Srsly - flamewarshitfestassbagconvention turned up greater truth of human nature. Thot it was worth quoting. The target of your sleeptears is irrelevant to my post.
Quote from: JohNyx on January 07, 2010, 08:54:22 PM
I dont know if i should be insulted by the comparison to Daruko.
Go ahead and check, im not him.
I don't care.
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on January 07, 2010, 08:55:41 PM
Quote from: Khara on January 07, 2010, 08:47:38 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on January 07, 2010, 08:43:46 PM
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on January 07, 2010, 07:46:50 PM
Also, Khara, I'd like to point out that right now is a really good example of caring about people not understanding you. If you don't give a flying fuck whether people understand you, why are you making so many posts trying to clarify yourself?
I honestly don't believe that you "don't give a flying fuck". I think that's something people say to make themselves feel less vulnerable, because feeling alienated or misunderstood is a vulnerable position.
QFT!
Not having a dig at Khara, just human nature in general. I've met a lot of people who "couldn't give a fuck" so much they cried themselves to sleep over it
That is not what I cry myself to sleep over.... For the record!
Srsly - flamewarshitfestassbagconvention turned up greater truth of human nature. Thot it was worth quoting. The target of your sleeptears is irrelevant to my post.
And again I will refrain from commenting because my sarcasm is only funny to me.... :|
I'd like to point out that I was mad because Nigel was right.
Sorry, Nigel.
TGRR,
OOK OOK.
It's OK Rog. :) Thanks for sayin' it.
Nigel, also a monkey
Ook ook
Goddammit I really like where this thread was going. I haven't actually gotten much of a chance to get in on a good thread like this since I got here. They were all old threads or they were over my head in alot of respects. I read the whole thing from where it fell apart. And I have to say Bravo, Nigel! for bringing everything to light for everyone. You are truly awesome for your ability to see passed the shit and get to the bottom. Seriously, Bravo! I hope this thread can be salvaged. :(
:oops: Thanks, Nivek.
I was going to suggest the thread be split, but oddly, it seems like even the momentary divergence has relevance to the OP. So maybe it should be left in.
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on January 07, 2010, 11:34:50 PM
:oops: Thanks, Nivek.
I was going to suggest the thread be split, but oddly, it seems like even the momentary divergence has relevance to the OP. So maybe it should be left in.
Going meta would be interesting, but im seeing if its possible without provoking anger.
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on January 07, 2010, 11:34:50 PM
:oops: Thanks, Nivek.
I was going to suggest the thread be split, but oddly, it seems like even the momentary divergence has relevance to the OP. So maybe it should be left in.
It shows human nature beyond the weird. It didn't completely derail it.
This thread really has taken some turns since I was last on. It may be too late to say this, but I would like to thank everyone in this thread for their encouragement and advice.
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on January 07, 2010, 10:56:50 PM
It's OK Rog. :) Thanks for sayin' it.
Nigel, also a monkey
Ook ook
No sweat. One common monkey failing is that most people will kill you before they'll admit they were wrong.
I was wrong. It's easier to admit it and move on, than to dig in your heels and ride it down in flames.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 08, 2010, 01:51:36 AM
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on January 07, 2010, 10:56:50 PM
It's OK Rog. :) Thanks for sayin' it.
Nigel, also a monkey
Ook ook
No sweat. One common monkey failing is that most people will kill you before they'll admit they were wrong.
I was wrong. It's easier to admit it and move on, than to dig in your heels and ride it down in flames.
Oh, GODS yes. I'm still working on that myself, but yes.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 08, 2010, 01:51:36 AM
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on January 07, 2010, 10:56:50 PM
It's OK Rog. :) Thanks for sayin' it.
Nigel, also a monkey
Ook ook
No sweat. One common monkey failing is that most people will kill you before they'll admit they were wrong.
I was wrong. It's easier to admit it and move on, than to dig in your heels and ride it down in flames.
A-friggin-men. That's one of those things I'm working on. I spent a huge amount of my life having too much pride/too much of a stick up my ass to ever admit I was wrong.
I'm wrong a lot.
Thus, a problem. :lol:
Every time I manage to admit I was wrong and move on... It's pretty cool. I like working on getting better at it.
The other end of the spectrum is people who have such low self esteem they can't imagine ever being right. They can be quite amusing in a - laughing at cripples - kinda way