http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nation-world/sns-dc-robertson-haiti,0,1175550.story
how can Amurrica expect to be taken seriously as a world power when it demonstrates this level of moronic superstitious crap on a daily basis? I just want to keep banging my head against a wall until the pain goes away
aaaaarrrrrrghh!!!
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I have only one thing to say.
PAT FUCKING ROBERTSON!
Except that the video is absolutely hilarious, what he says anyway. Too bad people take this guy seriously.
Hum ...
Its one thing to say it in humour, but another to rub it in on people who are already down...
QuoteIn the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina in 2005, Robertson seemed to link the storm to abortion. About the same time, he called on the U.S. to assassinate Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez.
:sad:
Quote from: MMIX on January 14, 2010, 01:15:15 AM
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nation-world/sns-dc-robertson-haiti,0,1175550.story
how can Amurrica expect to be taken seriously as a world power when it demonstrates this level of moronic superstitious crap on a daily basis? I just want to keep banging my head against a wall until the pain goes away
aaaaarrrrrrghh!!!
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The rest of the world takes us seriously
because we are morons, and we are very dangerous.
Quote from: Felix on January 14, 2010, 01:35:23 AM
Quote from: MMIX on January 14, 2010, 01:15:15 AM
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nation-world/sns-dc-robertson-haiti,0,1175550.story
how can Amurrica expect to be taken seriously as a world power when it demonstrates this level of moronic superstitious crap on a daily basis? I just want to keep banging my head against a wall until the pain goes away
aaaaarrrrrrghh!!!
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The rest of the world takes us seriously because we are morons, and we are very dangerous.
fuck . . . I'm gonna need a bigger wall. I think you have put your finger on it there Felix. Thinking about it what really disturbs me about this is the way that his softly spoken down home "niceness" and gosh darned reasonableness, his quiet caring mania just hangs in the air like the sword of Damocles . . . and Robertson is far from alone in his frootloopery you just know that behind him there are rank upon rank, battalion upon battalion of christ's soldiers just itching to get it on with the bad guys. And increasingly I feel like one of the bad guys because doesn't Luke 11:23 have Jeezus says: "He who is not with Me is against Me", and I'm sure as all hell not on the same side as Robertson.
Speaking of wall headbanging, have you actually ever done that?
not to excess . . . why do you ask?
Don't really know. ;-_-
Nothing to see here, move along.
Quote from: Mistress Freeky on January 14, 2010, 02:12:42 AM
Don't really know. ;-_-
Nothing to see here, move along.
yeah I guess the Devil must have made me do it . . . [/televangelist]
Quote from: MMIX on January 14, 2010, 02:18:43 AM
Quote from: Mistress Freeky on January 14, 2010, 02:12:42 AM
Don't really know. ;-_-
Nothing to see here, move along.
yeah I guess the Devil must have made me do it . . . [/televangelist]
That gave me a flashback :eek:
Did someone make an impact with the drywall, signed in blood? :lulz:
Fridge doors and countertops are harder than drywall.
Just sayin'.
Wouldn't have worked with the joke though, because drywall rhymes with devil, kind of.
...Nevermind. I make jokes at inappropriate moments. :(
Quote from: Felix on January 14, 2010, 02:33:12 AM
Wouldn't have worked with the joke though, because drywall rhymes with devil, kind of.
...Nevermind. I make jokes at inappropriate moments. :(
dammit man you're a discordian . . . you gave up your rights to inapproprateness when you picked up your pope card
MMIX can't stretch to another pun about pacts WTF is RWHN when we need him . . . ?
http://www.buzznews.net/buzz-extra/general/9835-haitis-real-deal-with-the-devil
QuotePat Robertson thinks that Haiti is poverty stricken (and earthquake-stricken) because the country made a deal with Satan to help them overthrow the French.
Back in May, the Times Online provided some slightly better insight (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6281614.ece) into Haiti's past. Beyond a vague assumption that Imperialism had probably screwed Haiti somehow, I didn't know much about the country's history. Reading this story has been nothing short of nauseating.
Summary: Haiti was forced to pay France for its freedom. When they couldn't afford the ransom, France (and other countries, including the United States) helpfully offered high-interest loans. By 1900, 80% of Haiti's annual budget went to paying off its "reparation" debt. They didn't make the last payment until 1947. Just 10 years later, dictator François Duvalier took over the country and promptly bankrupted it, taking out more high-interest loans to pay for his corrupt lifestyle. The Duvalier family, with the blind-eye financial assistance of Western countries, killed 10s of thousands of Haitians, until the Haitian people overthrew them in 1986. Today, Haiti is still paying off the debt of an oppressive dictator no one would help them get rid of for 30 years.
The rest of the world refuses to forgive this debt.
So, in a way, maybe Robertson is right. Haiti is caught in a deal with the devil, and the devil is us.
I watched the video on Countdown last night and I felt a little bad for the "anchor" woman or whatever she was sitting next to him. She kind of had that look of "man, I'd really like to be ANYWHERE but here right now."
Also, I can only assume that Pat Robertson has some kind of deal with the devil. It's the only explanation I can come up with for why he is alive.
[francejoke]Obviously the only way to beat the French is with the Devil's help :roll:[/francejoke]
Nevermind.
He's probably talking about the aforementioned Papa Doc, who was into Voodoo and made himself out to be a god. He had a personality cult, so there might be people who like him, but there are people who like Stalin too. The majority of the country hates him, I'm sure. Not that this matters to Pat.
Hm. After he died, his son took over. An outbreak of swine flu fever made the US insist that Haiti exterminate all of its pigs. Bet they loved that.
The son is currently an illegal immigrant in Paris.
There were some pretty nasty rumors about Baby Doc before he was deposed, as well. Of course, I really question whether much of it was simply political scare tactics for controlling the population.
Either way, Haiti is scary as fuck.
Hearsay: Robertson thinks that Haitians used Voodoo to overcome their French slavemasters in 1791. Voodoo is of course Satanic as he sees it. Anybody have backup for that?
(If I remember my history classes, that would mean that Robertson's existence is indirectly reliant on Satanism, because Haitian revolution -> Napoleon gives up dreams of empire in the Americas -> Napoleon sells Louisiana -> Robertson's ancestors not slaughtered in French-American War)
My knowledge of the religion is sketchy, but I think voodoo is specifically the 'bad' version of magic in it (the acceptable stuff is called Hoodoo), So linking Voodoo with devil stuff isn't entirely inappropriate (though still technically incorrect).
Of course, Pat probably lumps Hoodoo in with Devil stuff too. This is the guy who claims I'm part of a secret Cabal of Devil worshipers because of my D&D book collection.
Quote from: Requia ☣ on January 15, 2010, 05:12:26 AM
My knowledge of the religion is sketchy, but I think voodoo is specifically the 'bad' version of magic in it (the acceptable stuff is called Hoodoo), So linking Voodoo with devil stuff isn't entirely inappropriate (though still technically incorrect).
Of course, Pat probably lumps Hoodoo in with Devil stuff too. This is the guy who claims I'm part of a secret Cabal of Devil worshipers because of my D&D book collection.
You are, did we forget to teach you the secret handshake? You have been sacrificing the requisite amount of virgins haven't you?
(see! There's a reason that stereotype about D&Ders never getting laid exists)
Vodou is the African-based Haitian religion. Hoodoo is African-American folk magic. Voodoo is the African-American version of Vodou.
Ok, so he's probably just ripping on them for having the wrong religion in general, wonderful of him to do really, we can't have smudgy people who think differently from us white folk.
Olbermann brings the PAIN down on Robertson and Limbaugh:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPoWOw8Jm5w&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPoWOw8Jm5w&feature=player_embedded)
Very well said.
Quote from: The Fundamentalist on January 15, 2010, 03:18:57 AM
Hearsay: Robertson thinks that Haitians used Voodoo to overcome their French slavemasters in 1791. Voodoo is of course Satanic as he sees it. Anybody have backup for that?
(If I remember my history classes, that would mean that Robertson's existence is indirectly reliant on Satanism, because Haitian revolution -> Napoleon gives up dreams of empire in the Americas -> Napoleon sells Louisiana -> Robertson's ancestors not slaughtered in French-American War)
Its true. Religion played a large part in helping make the revolt popular. I've actually been doing some reading on Haitian politics and religion recently, so I'll transcribe some of what I've learnt either this evening or tomorrow (busy night ahead of me, in theory).
And yes, Papa Doc was big into voodoo as well, he was part of a Haitian intellectual circle who were pretty nationalistic, wanted to rely on a Haitian concept of culture and identity. The book deals with that as well, so I'll throw that in for good measure.
OK, here we go.
On the 14th of August 1791, in Bois Caiman in Haiti, the Voudon god of war, Ogun, was invoked by Dutty Boukman, a Jamaican follower of the religion to initiate war against the colonial French. A pig was sacrificed, and slave-leaders from plantations all over northern Haiti swore alleigance to him.
One week later, over 1800 plantations had been destroyed and 1000 slaveholders killed, so it was pretty successful.
As for Papa Doc...he was, in addition to a medical doctor, a keen enthnologist specializing in Haitian culture. Before Duvalier became President, Voudon groups were broken up, their ceremonies banned and their instruments burned. Once Papa Doc became leader though, he invited hundreds of Houngans to the Presidential palace, and gave many government positions and titles. It was widely believed by Haitians that Duvalier's Tonton Macoutes were recruited from the Bizango secret society, a Voudon cult that relied on both mundane and occult methods of murder, and were responsible for discovering the method of creating zombies. Duvalier himself cultivated the idea that he was the earthly representation of Baron Samedi. He also believed that his Voudon workings were responsible for the assassination of President Kennedy, even going so far as to point out the date on which Kennedy died was the 22nd, 22 being a number of some importance to Duvalier and Voudon practitioners, to the point that Duvalier himself had it on his limosuine licence plate.
I hereby nominate Pat Robertson for Discordian Sainthood. He's obviously earned it. Anyone who can convince people that he's being dead ass serious when he attributes the movements of the Earth's plates to a centuries old "deal with the Devil" is deserving of our utmost respect. We should at least name a medal after him or something. Perhaps the "The Pat Robertson Failed Prophecy" award or the "Pat Robertson widely ridiculous statement by a public figure" award.
Quote from: Cain on January 16, 2010, 07:00:36 PM
OK, here we go.
On the 14th of August 1791, in Bois Caiman in Haiti, the Voudon god of war, Ogun, was invoked by Dutty Boukman, a Jamaican follower of the religion to initiate war against the colonial French. A pig was sacrificed, and slave-leaders from plantations all over northern Haiti swore alleigance to him.
One week later, over 1800 plantations had been destroyed and 1000 slaveholders killed, so it was pretty successful.
As for Papa Doc...he was, in addition to a medical doctor, a keen enthnologist specializing in Haitian culture. Before Duvalier became President, Voudon groups were broken up, their ceremonies banned and their instruments burned. Once Papa Doc became leader though, he invited hundreds of Houngans to the Presidential palace, and gave many government positions and titles. It was widely believed by Haitians that Duvalier's Tonton Macoutes were recruited from the Bizango secret society, a Voudon cult that relied on both mundane and occult methods of murder, and were responsible for discovering the method of creating zombies. Duvalier himself cultivated the idea that he was the earthly representation of Baron Samedi. He also believed that his Voudon workings were responsible for the assassination of President Kennedy, even going so far as to point out the date on which Kennedy died was the 22nd, 22 being a number of some importance to Duvalier and Voudon practitioners, to the point that Duvalier himself had it on his limosuine licence plate.
Fascinating post Cain. You would think that as an MD Papa Doc would have realised that correlation does not imply causation. I surely would not have wanted to be one of his patients . . .
Thanks, but my sources (Samuel H Williams - Voodoo Roads, John K. Thornton - African Political Ideology and the Haitian Revolution, Peter Levenda's Sinister Forces Book Two and some half-remembered regional studies lectures) are the ones who really deserve the praise. There is a LOT more stuff on it out there, I just massively condensed the most relevant info.
And yeah, but it makes a great story for the grandchildren, doesnt it? "Hey kids, did I tell you about the time I killed President Kennedy with magic?" Or it would've done, if he hadn't died.
Quote from: Iason Ouabache on January 14, 2010, 08:51:44 AM
QuoteHaiti is caught in a deal with the devil, and the devil is us.
:aaa:
The more I look at international finance, the more I wonder why people don't just light the bankers on fire and be done with it.
^^^ This!
The one thing I'm really curious about is how Pat justifies God not just punishing the Haitians when they made the deal. You know, when the people who did it were still alive. I guess all these nasty atheists who haven't been praying lately must have freed up a lot of spare time for Him to enact His wrath.
Quote from: Shrunkenheadspace on January 18, 2010, 05:07:23 AM
The one thing I'm really curious about is how Pat justifies God not just punishing the Haitians when they made the deal. You know, when the people who did it were still alive. I guess all these nasty atheists who haven't been praying lately must have freed up a lot of spare time for Him to enact His wrath.
God's aim sucks. Plus he doesn't know how to tell time. A day to God is like a thousand years so he easily gets confused and whacks the wrong generation.
David Brooks has it all figured out. Its not because of God, or international financial institutions, its because nonwhite people are basically lazy (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/15/opinion/15brooks.html?adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1263823214-M9kAbtRAHjc/Y+XzFJYE6Q). And the best thing we can do for Haiti is ignore it until it goes away.
(http://i46.tinypic.com/mr5pux.jpg)
Also, didn't realize it until the guys from The Bugle mentioned it, but Napoleon III wasn't even born yet when Haiti overthrew the French. So Robertson's not only an evil fuck, but he's an ignorant evil fuck.
Quote from: Iason Ouabache on January 18, 2010, 05:06:18 PM
Also, didn't realize it until the guys from The Bugle mentioned it, but Napoleon III wasn't even born yet when Haiti overthrew the French. So Robertson's not only an evil fuck, but he's an ignorant evil fuck.
I am shocked, shocked I say . . .
Did Robertson claim they were fighting Napoleon the Third then? I never saw that, but I must admit I pay little attention to his twitterings at the best of times.
Of course, they were actually fighting the French Republic and Napoleon I, which is kind of ironic, since they were fighting them based on the ideals of the Revolution in the first place, which the Jacobins did not seem to consider fit to extend to foreign darkies. Then again, that still fits, since Robertson believes the Illuminati is a secret, satanic organisation which is behind the French revolution (see his book, The New World Order, for more).
Has Robertson ever actually mentioned the Illumanit or are you just saying that he subscribes to some sort of grand conspiracy theory in general?
Quote from: Cain on January 18, 2010, 11:30:21 PM
Did Robertson claim they were fighting Napoleon the Third then? I never saw that, but I must admit I pay little attention to his twitterings at the best of times.
I did rewatch the video and he did say that they were fighting Napoleon III, which would have been considered a bizarre thing for him to say were it not for all of the other batshit stuff he was able to stuff into a short couple of sentences.
QuoteOf course, they were actually fighting the French Republic and Napoleon I, which is kind of ironic, since they were fighting them based on the ideals of the Revolution in the first place, which the Jacobins did not seem to consider fit to extend to foreign darkies. Then again, that still fits, since Robertson believes the Illuminati is a secret, satanic organisation which is behind the French revolution (see his book, The New World Order, for more).
:lulz: I think I may actually miss Robertson when he finally kicks the bucket. The amount of lail he has produced over the years has been a thing of beauty. I still can't believe that he once claimed he could leg press 2000 lbs.
I had to count the 0s there three times before I realised ... wow wtf.
Quote from: Lord Quantum on January 19, 2010, 02:22:41 AM
Has Robertson ever actually mentioned the Illumanit or are you just saying that he subscribes to some sort of grand conspiracy theory in general?
He has mentioned the Illuminati in his 1994 book decrying the New World Order, and subscribes to a very specific (but wrong) grand conspiracy theory.
Just wondering...is there a very specific (but right) grand conspiracy theory?
You have to be a level three user to get an answer to that.
Quote from: Lord Quantum on January 19, 2010, 01:06:10 PM
Just wondering...is there a very specific (but right) grand conspiracy theory?
I don't think that I want to know the answer to that question. :tinfoilhat:
I've been trying to make a pact with the devil for years, he never answers his emails, voicemails or PMs.... :roll:
He came to me in my sleep and asked me to work for him :D
Is the pay any good?
Quote from: Lord Quantum on January 19, 2010, 01:06:10 PM
Just wondering...is there a very specific (but right) grand conspiracy theory?
All of em!
You know who is really to blame for Haiti? The lazy Haitians themselves:
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/haiti_true_curse_b2jXL3a8JoXWcLSC8wzuQI
QuoteThe sad truth about Haiti isn't simply that it is poor, but that it has a poverty culture. Yes, it has had awful luck. Absolutely, it has been exploited, abused and betrayed ever since its days as a slave colony. So, if it alleviates Western guilt to say that Haiti's poverty stems entirely from a legacy of racism and colonialism, fine. But Haiti has been independent and the poorest country in the hemisphere for a long time.
Even if blame lies everywhere except among the victims themselves, it doesn't change the fact that Haiti will never get out of grinding poverty until it abandons much of its culture.
When Haitians leave Haiti for the United States, they get richer almost overnight. This isn't simply because wages are higher here or welfare payments more generous. Coming to America is a cultural leap of faith, physically and psychologically.
FORGET BIBLES; WE NEED TO AIR DROP COPIES OF THE SECRET IN HAITI!
Of course, we should overlook that during this "independent" period Baby Doc ran up billions in debt to enrich his personal life (he is still living off the largesse of this loans, somewhere in Paris) and then left the Haitian serfs footing the bill. Just because Haiti is now in pretty much the same economic situation because any time it does make money it has to send it to its international creditors doesn't mean they are necessarily the cause of poverty. Correlation does not equal causation and all that. It is just as likely that they are lazy as fuck negroes who have never done an honest day's work in their life. It would be irresponsible not to speculate.
Quote from: MMIX on January 14, 2010, 01:57:35 AM
And increasingly I feel like one of the bad guys because doesn't Luke 11:23 have Jeezus says: "He who is not with Me is against Me", and I'm sure as all hell not on the same side as Robertson.
Robertson isn't on the same side as Jesus though.
I think the Haitian Ambassador, Raymond Joseph, had a nice response here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-A2q60qg0WA
Quote from: antyhero on January 21, 2010, 04:43:27 PM
Quote from: MMIX on January 14, 2010, 01:57:35 AM
And increasingly I feel like one of the bad guys because doesn't Luke 11:23 have Jeezus says: "He who is not with Me is against Me", and I'm sure as all hell not on the same side as Robertson.
Robertson isn't on the same side as Jesus though.
I think the Haitian Ambassador, Raymond Joseph, had a nice response here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-A2q60qg0WA
i like how he didn't deny the whole devil bit, he just went straight to what the US gained from it. That guy gained awesome points in my book. :lulz:
Quote from: Mistress Freeky on January 21, 2010, 04:58:43 PM
Quote from: antyhero on January 21, 2010, 04:43:27 PM
Quote from: MMIX on January 14, 2010, 01:57:35 AM
I think the Haitian Ambassador, Raymond Joseph, had a nice response here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-A2q60qg0WA
i like how he didn't deny the whole devil bit, he just went straight to what the US gained from it. That guy gained awesome points in my book. :lulz:
I like how the Haitian ambassador pretty much said that the U.S. and all of Latin America are essentially riding shotgun with the Devil. Which is of course true, since Hurricane Katrina hit where? Yes that's right folks, Voodoo town was hit. And obviously you all know about Castro's deal with the Devil, so there's really no need to go into that any further.