I wrote this as a final paper for my introductory philosophy class a while back. It's mostly BS, I think -- my concern was to construct the evidence for an implicit coherent system of epistemology in the SI's papers, not to determine whether or not one actually exists.
Link: http://namcub.accela-labs.com/stories/sit-epis-prettyprint.txt (recently prettyprinted version)
"Situationist Cultural Epistemology "
What the fuck does that actually mean?
It means that the french intellectuals and pseudo-intellectuals who took over Paris in 1968 had an unspoken agreement about what can and can't be known, and why.
Quote from: Enki v. 2.0 on January 19, 2010, 06:52:51 PM
It means that the french intellectuals and pseudo-intellectuals who took over Paris in 1968 had an unspoken agreement about what can and can't be known, and why.
This is why philosophy is unmitigated bullshit. It isn't art, and it has no application.
It is just another way to excuse holding your cigarettes backward and failing miserably at picking up chicks. Sort of like an Ayn Rand fan, only without the tweed.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 19, 2010, 07:10:44 PM
Quote from: Enki v. 2.0 on January 19, 2010, 06:52:51 PM
It means that the french intellectuals and pseudo-intellectuals who took over Paris in 1968 had an unspoken agreement about what can and can't be known, and why.
This is why philosophy is unmitigated bullshit. It isn't art, and it has no application.
It is just another way to excuse holding your cigarettes backward and failing miserably at picking up chicks. Sort of like an Ayn Rand fan, only without the tweed.
:lulz:
Quote from: Khara on January 19, 2010, 07:27:01 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 19, 2010, 07:10:44 PM
Quote from: Enki v. 2.0 on January 19, 2010, 06:52:51 PM
It means that the french intellectuals and pseudo-intellectuals who took over Paris in 1968 had an unspoken agreement about what can and can't be known, and why.
This is why philosophy is unmitigated bullshit. It isn't art, and it has no application.
It is just another way to excuse holding your cigarettes backward and failing miserably at picking up chicks. Sort of like an Ayn Rand fan, only without the tweed.
:lulz:
I swear, these philosophy geeks are the worst. When they aren't hanging around the philosophy section of Barnes and Noble trying to look intimidating, they're taking up all the good seats at the coffee shop. In a civilized nation, they'd all be put to sleep for their own good.
:lulz :lulz: :lulz:
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 19, 2010, 07:41:11 PM
Quote from: Khara on January 19, 2010, 07:27:01 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 19, 2010, 07:10:44 PM
Quote from: Enki v. 2.0 on January 19, 2010, 06:52:51 PM
It means that the french intellectuals and pseudo-intellectuals who took over Paris in 1968 had an unspoken agreement about what can and can't be known, and why.
This is why philosophy is unmitigated bullshit. It isn't art, and it has no application.
It is just another way to excuse holding your cigarettes backward and failing miserably at picking up chicks. Sort of like an Ayn Rand fan, only without the tweed.
:lulz:
I swear, these philosophy geeks are the worst. When they aren't hanging around the philosophy section of Barnes and Noble trying to look intimidating, they're taking up all the good seats at the coffee shop. In a civilized nation, they'd all be put to sleep for their own good.
You know my thoughts on that. I still think if you get enough signatures you should be able to have people put to sleep!
Quote from: Khara on January 19, 2010, 08:18:55 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 19, 2010, 07:41:11 PM
Quote from: Khara on January 19, 2010, 07:27:01 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 19, 2010, 07:10:44 PM
Quote from: Enki v. 2.0 on January 19, 2010, 06:52:51 PM
It means that the french intellectuals and pseudo-intellectuals who took over Paris in 1968 had an unspoken agreement about what can and can't be known, and why.
This is why philosophy is unmitigated bullshit. It isn't art, and it has no application.
It is just another way to excuse holding your cigarettes backward and failing miserably at picking up chicks. Sort of like an Ayn Rand fan, only without the tweed.
:lulz:
I swear, these philosophy geeks are the worst. When they aren't hanging around the philosophy section of Barnes and Noble trying to look intimidating, they're taking up all the good seats at the coffee shop. In a civilized nation, they'd all be put to sleep for their own good.
You know my thoughts on that. I still think if you get enough signatures you should be able to have people put to sleep!
Yarg.
Think of having that rule in October of 2001.
I'm sure I don't have to tell you this Enki, but you should ignore Roger's hatespew. Philosophy is, of course, the only way to really get anything done, but there is a certain ilk that is too impatient with philosophy to see the forest for the trees. But then again, it sounds almost as if he actually read your paper:)
A few notes: You talk about how SI is "morally constrained" at least in relation to post-modernists, but I'm a little perplexed at this considering in the preceding paragraph you quoted above that they are not interested in "moral punishment." I could be misunderstanding, because I am not at all familiar with the schools of thought you discuss here, but I find you conclusion paragraph at odds with the evidence you present. Maybe you could help me to understand it better?
One one hand without philosophy we might never have gotten logic, which was an early conceptual advancement that lead to logic circuits. You know, computers.
On the other hand, it's a bit of a stretch to give Aristotle any credit for the internet. Philosophy of science can be useful indirectly, but after trying to do philosophy almost my whole youth, I've come to the conclusion that one shouldn't learn philosophy until they've learned how to be useful in society and actually lived a little.
Quote from: Felix on January 20, 2010, 06:55:59 AM
Philosophy of science can be useful indirectly, but after trying to do philosophy almost my whole youth, I've come to the conclusion that one shouldn't learn philosophy until they've learned how to be useful in society and actually lived a little.
Point. Philosophy can lead to a cul-de-sac of misspent youth, but then again that's probably just going to happen with or without philosophy isn't it? I'd say better to waste your youth thinking than waste your youth not thinking, but what do I know.
Quote from: Guy Incognito on January 20, 2010, 07:12:50 AM
Quote from: Felix on January 20, 2010, 06:55:59 AM
Philosophy of science can be useful indirectly, but after trying to do philosophy almost my whole youth, I've come to the conclusion that one shouldn't learn philosophy until they've learned how to be useful in society and actually lived a little.
Point. Philosophy can lead to a cul-de-sac of misspent youth, but then again that's probably just going to happen with or without philosophy isn't it? I'd say better to waste your youth thinking than waste your youth not thinking, but what do I know.
Being at the stage where I'm running out of it, I can say with some confidence that youth is for being pretty and healthy and happy and carefree, because fuck if you can manage that when you're forty.
My parents were philosophy majors. :sad:
Quote from: Nast on January 20, 2010, 07:19:48 AM
My parents were philosophy majors. :sad:
Sheesh, that's worse than mine. My parents are art majors.
Quote from: Felix on January 20, 2010, 07:22:20 AM
Quote from: Nast on January 20, 2010, 07:19:48 AM
My parents were philosophy majors. :sad:
Sheesh, that's worse than mine. My parents are art majors.
Why didn't anyone think of the children? :sad:
Nast,
Is a living cautionary tale.
And what's really sad is that I was thinking about majoring in art. The epidemic continues.
Quote from: Nast on January 20, 2010, 07:30:47 AM
Why didn't anyone think of the children? :sad:
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This thread is getting a bit depressing:D
Quote from: Guy Incognito on January 20, 2010, 06:09:54 AM
I'm sure I don't have to tell you this Enki, but you should ignore Roger's hatespew. Philosophy is, of course, the only way to really get anything done, but there is a certain ilk that is too impatient with philosophy to see the forest for the trees. But then again, it sounds almost as if he actually read your paper:)
I think he's currently talking at some hypothetical group, rather than at me. You see, I don't smoke cigarettes.
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A few notes: You talk about how SI is "morally constrained" at least in relation to post-modernists, but I'm a little perplexed at this considering in the preceding paragraph you quoted above that they are not interested in "moral punishment." I could be misunderstanding, because I am not at all familiar with the schools of thought you discuss here, but I find you conclusion paragraph at odds with the evidence you present. Maybe you could help me to understand it better?
I couldn't say, actually. It's been nearly a year since I turned this in. Also, I'm not entirely sure this is the final draft, because the final draft was six pages long. I will look it over again and see if I can answer your question. That actually might have been a non-sequitor to see whether or not the professor was paying attention.
Quote from: Guy Incognito on January 20, 2010, 06:09:54 AM
I'm sure I don't have to tell you this Enki, but you should ignore Roger's hatespew.
I'm sure I don't have to tell you this, GI, but you should just fuck right off.
Quote from: Enki v. 2.0 on January 20, 2010, 12:32:51 PM
I think he's currently talking at some hypothetical group, rather than at me.
This is the correct motorcycle.
I was talking about philosophers.
Quote from: Enki v. 2.0 on January 20, 2010, 12:32:51 PM
I couldn't say, actually. It's been nearly a year since I turned this in. Also, I'm not entirely sure this is the final draft, because the final draft was six pages long. I will look it over again and see if I can answer your question. That actually might have been a non-sequitor to see whether or not the professor was paying attention.
You might have wanted to do that before you posted the link because damn you can't even answer questions about your own post? How sad is that? Oh wait, I forgot, it's philisophy!
I like philosophy.
However some of the "defences" of it ITT are making me cringe with embarassment.
Quote from: Cain on January 20, 2010, 03:25:13 PM
I like philosophy.
You work in a bar. That is the only acceptable venue - or occupation - that is acceptable for philosophy.
Quote from: Cain on January 20, 2010, 03:25:13 PM
I like philosophy.
However some of the "defences" of it ITT are making me cringe with embarassment.
I think philosophy is a waste of time, but the attacks on it ITT make me cringe with embarrassment. Weird.
Let's all just cringe at each other because we all know so much better but can't be bothered. That passes for discussion, right?
Quote from: Felix on January 20, 2010, 06:39:23 PM
Let's all just cringe at each other because we all know so much better but can't be bothered. That passes for discussion, right?
I will screech like a diseased howler monkey, if you think it will help.
Oh, wait. I already did that.
I think it's working.
EEEEK! DOMINANT PARADIGM! OOK OOK, YOU SONS OF BITCHES!
Fun fact: cringing exercises over fifty different muscles in your face. That's why TGRR can crack walnuts between his jowls:)
I think you only have jowls if your cheeks hang past your jaw in a ragged heap.
I like philosophy, and I also think it's a waste of time. It's kinda like running on a treadmill -- you're not fucking going anywhere on that thing, but you get the same workout as if you were running to the local movie theatre six miles away. Cheaper than the price of a ticket, and you don't have to sit through blue furries and wooden dialog.
Quote from: Enki v. 2.0 on January 20, 2010, 06:47:47 PM
Cheaper than the price of a ticket, and you don't have to sit through blue furries and wooden dialog.
But there's still the suicidal tendencies (http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=23716.0).
Quote from: Guy Incognito on January 20, 2010, 06:45:58 PM
Fun fact: cringing exercises over fifty different muscles in your face. That's why TGRR can crack walnuts between his jowls ASS CHEEKS :)
Fixed.
TGRR,
Uses them for talking, too.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 20, 2010, 06:52:38 PM
Quote from: Guy Incognito on January 20, 2010, 06:45:58 PM
Fun fact: cringing exercises over fifty different muscles in your face. That's why TGRR can crack walnuts between his jowls ASS CHEEKS :)
Fixed.
TGRR,
Uses them for talking, too.
:lulz: I stand corrected :lulz:
Quote from: Guy Incognito on January 20, 2010, 06:55:51 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 20, 2010, 06:52:38 PM
Quote from: Guy Incognito on January 20, 2010, 06:45:58 PM
Fun fact: cringing exercises over fifty different muscles in your face. That's why TGRR can crack walnuts between his jowls ASS CHEEKS :)
Fixed.
TGRR,
Uses them for talking, too.
:lulz: I stand corrected :lulz:
As a Holy Man™, my ass only channels a higher power.
So when you see me talking out of my ass, do not question it.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 20, 2010, 04:21:01 PM
Quote from: Cain on January 20, 2010, 03:25:13 PM
I like philosophy.
You work in a bar. That is the only acceptable venue - or occupation - that is acceptable for philosophy.
True. But I would read philosophy regardless.
Quote from: Cain on January 20, 2010, 07:04:18 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 20, 2010, 04:21:01 PM
Quote from: Cain on January 20, 2010, 03:25:13 PM
I like philosophy.
You work in a bar. That is the only acceptable venue - or occupation - that is acceptable for philosophy.
True. But I would read philosophy regardless.
But you'd feel dirty. Admit it.
Quote from: Felix on January 20, 2010, 06:39:23 PM
Let's all just cringe at each other because we all know so much better but can't be bothered. That passes for discussion, right?
Sorry, would you like a dissertation instead?
Well unfortunately for you cupcake, some of us are too busy to indulge ourselves in every passing argument to the maximum degree of our abilities, yet still wish to express something on said topic before we go back to writing several thousand word articles on, say, Lenin and Wilson's differing theories on self-determination. Somehow, you will just have to survive on what I've offered.
I was referring to GI's hollow jab at me.
Quote from: Cain on January 20, 2010, 07:06:39 PM
Quote from: Felix on January 20, 2010, 06:39:23 PM
Let's all just cringe at each other because we all know so much better but can't be bothered. That passes for discussion, right?
Sorry, would you like a dissertation instead?
Well unfortunately for you cupcake, some of us are too busy to indulge ourselves in every passing argument to the maximum degree of our abilities, yet still wish to express something on said topic before we go back to writing several thousand word articles on, say, Lenin and Wilson's differing theories on self-determination. Somehow, you will just have to survive on what I've offered.
Vladmir Lenin and Robert Anton Wilson? I would very much like to see that article.
Quote from: Felix on January 20, 2010, 07:21:07 PM
I was referring to GI's hollow jab at me.
He's good for that. He even tried taking a swipe in the psycho letters.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 19, 2010, 07:41:11 PM
Quote from: Khara on January 19, 2010, 07:27:01 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 19, 2010, 07:10:44 PM
Quote from: Enki v. 2.0 on January 19, 2010, 06:52:51 PM
It means that the french intellectuals and pseudo-intellectuals who took over Paris in 1968 had an unspoken agreement about what can and can't be known, and why.
This is why philosophy is unmitigated bullshit. It isn't art, and it has no application.
It is just another way to excuse holding your cigarettes backward and failing miserably at picking up chicks. Sort of like an Ayn Rand fan, only without the tweed.
:lulz:
I swear, these philosophy geeks are the worst. When they aren't hanging around the philosophy section of Barnes and Noble trying to look intimidating, they're taking up all the good seats at the coffee shop. In a civilized nation, they'd all be put to sleep for their own good.
In Scotland over-worked waitresses put piss in their wine and urethral lining in their soup.
Quote from: Cain on January 20, 2010, 07:06:39 PM
Quote from: Felix on January 20, 2010, 06:39:23 PM
Let's all just cringe at each other because we all know so much better but can't be bothered. That passes for discussion, right?
Sorry, would you like a dissertation instead?
Well unfortunately for you cupcake, some of us are too busy to indulge ourselves in every passing argument to the maximum degree of our abilities, yet still wish to express something on said topic before we go back to writing several thousand word articles on, say, Lenin and Wilson's differing theories on self-determination. Somehow, you will just have to survive on what I've offered.
I'd like to give that a read when you're done.
There was a point made in a book I read a while back that said that Wilson's theory of self-determination pretty much accelerated WW2. I don't entirely agree, but comparing different ideas on the subject (as a whole, not just with regards to WW2) would be a good thing.