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Principia Discordia => Techmology and Scientism => Topic started by: Cain on January 23, 2010, 07:39:33 PM

Title: ELENA...Germany's Big Brother temptation
Post by: Cain on January 23, 2010, 07:39:33 PM
http://countermeasures.trendmicro.eu/move-over-big-brother-sister-elena-is-here/

QuoteOn the 1st of January this year German employers became subject to a new legal requirement, one that has their own Data Protection Authorities, Trade Unions and Civil Rights groups appalled.

From the beginning of 2010 every German employer must now submit detailed information on a monthly basis to the so-called ELENA database, ELENA is an acronym for Eleketronischer Entgeltnachweis which loosely translates to Electronic Payslip. This sounds innocent enough until you consider exactly what information employers are obliged to provide.

The information will cover every worker's salary, all absenteeism and their participation in strike action whether legal or illegal. This data is to be submitted to a central hub and from 2012 it will be used to determine whether to pay out or refuse social benefits. Plans are in place to relieve employers of the necessity of printing paper-based pay statements for their employees and instead issuing each worker with a plastic "jobcard" again by 2012. This card would then need to be produced should the holder ever need to apply for benefits allowing for data retrieval to determine eligibility.

Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! 
Title: Re: ELENA...Germany's Big Brother temptation
Post by: Verbal Mike on January 23, 2010, 09:22:58 PM
This would go on my list of cons to staying here for my MA, but then I'd have to add so many cons for going to the US, UK or Holland (a few of my top candidates) so whatever.

Also, true story: I entered this thread thinking there were pics of a hot contestant in the upcoming (or newly-begun?) German version of the reality television program Big Brother, which I have seen many large ads for because I happen to have eyes and these ads are probably about as big as you'd expect actual portraits of Big Brother were in Orwell's Oceania.... Yeah so anyway I'm pretty disappointed this thread is boob-free.
Title: Re: ELENA...Germany's Big Brother temptation
Post by: President Television on January 24, 2010, 04:02:20 AM
Quote from: VERBL on January 23, 2010, 09:22:58 PM
This would go on my list of cons to staying here for my MA, but then I'd have to add so many cons for going to the US, UK or Holland (a few of my top candidates) so whatever.

Also, true story: I entered this thread thinking there were pics of a hot contestant in the upcoming (or newly-begun?) German version of the reality television program Big Brother, which I have seen many large ads for because I happen to have eyes and these ads are probably about as big as you'd expect actual portraits of Big Brother were in Orwell's Oceania.... Yeah so anyway I'm pretty disappointed this thread is boob-free.

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Title: Re: ELENA...Germany's Big Brother temptation
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on January 24, 2010, 03:02:08 PM
Of course you realise this means the scheme will be introduced in england in 2011, following a pilot introduction in Scotland from June this year. You know how it is - our totalitarian dictators will do anything to avoid being one-upped by the fucking Germans  :argh!:
Title: Re: ELENA...Germany's Big Brother temptation
Post by: Cain on January 24, 2010, 03:09:55 PM
We're getting unmanned drones flying over the country, recording evildoers.

No mention yet whether or not they'll be carrying Hellfire missiles in order to carry out summary justice, but its only a matter of time before Chris Grayling suggests it as a possibility.
Title: Re: ELENA...Germany's Big Brother temptation
Post by: President Television on January 24, 2010, 07:44:21 PM
Quote from: Cain on January 24, 2010, 03:09:55 PM
We're getting unmanned drones flying over the country, recording evildoers.

No mention yet whether or not they'll be carrying Hellfire missiles in order to carry out summary justice, but its only a matter of time before Chris Grayling suggests it as a possibility.

:horrormirth: Please tell me this is a joke.
Title: Re: ELENA...Germany's Big Brother temptation
Post by: Cain on January 24, 2010, 07:47:42 PM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/jan/23/cctv-sky-police-plan-drones

QuotePolice in the UK are planning to use unmanned spy drones, controversially deployed in Afghanistan, for the ­"routine" monitoring of antisocial motorists, ­protesters, agricultural thieves and fly-tippers, in a significant expansion of covert state surveillance.

The arms manufacturer BAE Systems, which produces a range of unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) for war zones, is adapting the military-style planes for a consortium of government agencies led by Kent police.

Documents from the South Coast Partnership, a Home Office-backed project in which Kent police and others are developing a national drone plan with BAE, have been obtained by the Guardian under the Freedom of Information Act.

They reveal the partnership intends to begin using the drones in time for the 2012 Olympics. They also indicate that police claims that the technology will be used for maritime surveillance fall well short of their intended use – which could span a range of police activity – and that officers have talked about selling the surveillance data to private companies. A prototype drone equipped with high-powered cameras and sensors is set to take to the skies for test flights later this year.

I wrote up a quick piece on it here http://alamut.wordpress.com/2010/01/24/time-to-buy-a-copy-of-skygrabber/
Title: Re: ELENA...Germany's Big Brother temptation
Post by: Faust on January 24, 2010, 08:04:25 PM
Quote from: Cain on January 24, 2010, 07:47:42 PM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/jan/23/cctv-sky-police-plan-drones

QuotePolice in the UK are planning to use unmanned spy drones, controversially deployed in Afghanistan, for the ­"routine" monitoring of antisocial motorists, ­protesters, agricultural thieves and fly-tippers, in a significant expansion of covert state surveillance.

The arms manufacturer BAE Systems, which produces a range of unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) for war zones, is adapting the military-style planes for a consortium of government agencies led by Kent police.

Documents from the South Coast Partnership, a Home Office-backed project in which Kent police and others are developing a national drone plan with BAE, have been obtained by the Guardian under the Freedom of Information Act.

They reveal the partnership intends to begin using the drones in time for the 2012 Olympics. They also indicate that police claims that the technology will be used for maritime surveillance fall well short of their intended use – which could span a range of police activity – and that officers have talked about selling the surveillance data to private companies. A prototype drone equipped with high-powered cameras and sensors is set to take to the skies for test flights later this year.

I wrote up a quick piece on it here http://alamut.wordpress.com/2010/01/24/time-to-buy-a-copy-of-skygrabber/
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Title: Re: ELENA...Germany's Big Brother temptation
Post by: President Television on January 24, 2010, 08:11:23 PM
Quote from: Cain on January 24, 2010, 07:47:42 PM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/jan/23/cctv-sky-police-plan-drones

QuotePolice in the UK are planning to use unmanned spy drones, controversially deployed in Afghanistan, for the ­"routine" monitoring of antisocial motorists, ­protesters, agricultural thieves and fly-tippers, in a significant expansion of covert state surveillance.

The arms manufacturer BAE Systems, which produces a range of unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) for war zones, is adapting the military-style planes for a consortium of government agencies led by Kent police.

Documents from the South Coast Partnership, a Home Office-backed project in which Kent police and others are developing a national drone plan with BAE, have been obtained by the Guardian under the Freedom of Information Act.

They reveal the partnership intends to begin using the drones in time for the 2012 Olympics. They also indicate that police claims that the technology will be used for maritime surveillance fall well short of their intended use – which could span a range of police activity – and that officers have talked about selling the surveillance data to private companies. A prototype drone equipped with high-powered cameras and sensors is set to take to the skies for test flights later this year.

I wrote up a quick piece on it here http://alamut.wordpress.com/2010/01/24/time-to-buy-a-copy-of-skygrabber/

How can they get away with this?
Title: Re: ELENA...Germany's Big Brother temptation
Post by: Cain on January 24, 2010, 08:17:14 PM
Easy.  This government cant get any less popular and the opposition are just as authoritarian.  If the PM went on live TV tomorrow and decapitated a kitten with his teeth, it wouldn't make a blind bit of difference to the polls.  And then the Shadow Cabinet would criticize him for not decapitating ten, because he is soft on crime and the causes of crime.
Title: Re: ELENA...Germany's Big Brother temptation
Post by: President Television on January 24, 2010, 08:20:05 PM
Quote from: Cain on January 24, 2010, 08:17:14 PM
Easy.  This government cant get any less popular and the opposition are just as authoritarian.  If the PM went on live TV tomorrow and decapitated a kitten with his teeth, it wouldn't make a blind bit of difference to the polls.  And then the Shadow Cabinet would criticize him for not decapitating ten, because he is soft on crime and the causes of crime.

Yeah, but why the fuck aren't the streets swarming with protesters? Isn't that what people do when the government doesn't give them any acceptable options?
Title: Re: ELENA...Germany's Big Brother temptation
Post by: Reginald Ret on January 24, 2010, 09:12:21 PM
Quote from: Shrunkenheadspace on January 24, 2010, 08:20:05 PM
Quote from: Cain on January 24, 2010, 08:17:14 PM
Easy.  This government cant get any less popular and the opposition are just as authoritarian.  If the PM went on live TV tomorrow and decapitated a kitten with his teeth, it wouldn't make a blind bit of difference to the polls.  And then the Shadow Cabinet would criticize him for not decapitating ten, because he is soft on crime and the causes of crime.

Yeah, but why the fuck aren't the streets swarming with protesters? Isn't that what people do when the government doesn't give them any acceptable options?
Why aren't you protesting?
Title: Re: ELENA...Germany's Big Brother temptation
Post by: President Television on January 24, 2010, 09:13:38 PM
Quote from: Regret on January 24, 2010, 09:12:21 PM
Quote from: Shrunkenheadspace on January 24, 2010, 08:20:05 PM
Quote from: Cain on January 24, 2010, 08:17:14 PM
Easy.  This government cant get any less popular and the opposition are just as authoritarian.  If the PM went on live TV tomorrow and decapitated a kitten with his teeth, it wouldn't make a blind bit of difference to the polls.  And then the Shadow Cabinet would criticize him for not decapitating ten, because he is soft on crime and the causes of crime.

Yeah, but why the fuck aren't the streets swarming with protesters? Isn't that what people do when the government doesn't give them any acceptable options?
Why aren't you protesting?

I live all the way over in Canada. Canada's government is much more reasonable about this sort of thing for now.
Title: Re: ELENA...Germany's Big Brother temptation
Post by: Rumckle on January 24, 2010, 09:17:43 PM
Quote from: Shrunkenheadspace on January 24, 2010, 08:20:05 PM
Quote from: Cain on January 24, 2010, 08:17:14 PM
Easy.  This government cant get any less popular and the opposition are just as authoritarian.  If the PM went on live TV tomorrow and decapitated a kitten with his teeth, it wouldn't make a blind bit of difference to the polls.  And then the Shadow Cabinet would criticize him for not decapitating ten, because he is soft on crime and the causes of crime.

Yeah, but why the fuck aren't the streets swarming with protesters? Isn't that what people do when the government doesn't give them any acceptable options?

Too many comfy chairs that are facing a widescreen plasma TV playing celebrity big brother.
Title: Re: ELENA...Germany's Big Brother temptation
Post by: Triple Zero on January 24, 2010, 09:21:34 PM
Quote from: Shrunkenheadspace on January 24, 2010, 08:11:23 PM
Quote from: Cain on January 24, 2010, 07:47:42 PM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/jan/23/cctv-sky-police-plan-drones

QuotePolice in the UK are planning to use unmanned spy drones, controversially deployed in Afghanistan, for the ­”routine” monitoring of antisocial motorists, ­protesters, agricultural thieves and fly-tippers, in a significant expansion of covert state surveillance.

The arms manufacturer BAE Systems, which produces a range of unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) for war zones, is adapting the military-style planes for a consortium of government agencies led by Kent police.

Documents from the South Coast Partnership, a Home Office-backed project in which Kent police and others are developing a national drone plan with BAE, have been obtained by the Guardian under the Freedom of Information Act.

They reveal the partnership intends to begin using the drones in time for the 2012 Olympics. They also indicate that police claims that the technology will be used for maritime surveillance fall well short of their intended use – which could span a range of police activity – and that officers have talked about selling the surveillance data to private companies. A prototype drone equipped with high-powered cameras and sensors is set to take to the skies for test flights later this year.

I wrote up a quick piece on it here http://alamut.wordpress.com/2010/01/24/time-to-buy-a-copy-of-skygrabber/

How can they get away with this?

um, by plane?
Title: Re: ELENA...Germany's Big Brother temptation
Post by: Reginald Ret on January 24, 2010, 09:43:04 PM
Quote from: Shrunkenheadspace on January 24, 2010, 09:13:38 PM
Quote from: Regret on January 24, 2010, 09:12:21 PM
Quote from: Shrunkenheadspace on January 24, 2010, 08:20:05 PM
Quote from: Cain on January 24, 2010, 08:17:14 PM
Easy.  This government cant get any less popular and the opposition are just as authoritarian.  If the PM went on live TV tomorrow and decapitated a kitten with his teeth, it wouldn't make a blind bit of difference to the polls.  And then the Shadow Cabinet would criticize him for not decapitating ten, because he is soft on crime and the causes of crime.

Yeah, but why the fuck aren't the streets swarming with protesters? Isn't that what people do when the government doesn't give them any acceptable options?
Why aren't you protesting?

I live all the way over in Canada. Canada's government is much more reasonable about this sort of thing for now.
I'm certain that if you did some digging you would find stuff to get really angry aboot.


...


Well look at me being a hypocrite.
I'll just wallow in selfloathing now.
Title: Re: ELENA...Germany's Big Brother temptation
Post by: Cain on January 25, 2010, 09:25:59 AM
Quote from: Shrunkenheadspace on January 24, 2010, 08:20:05 PM
Quote from: Cain on January 24, 2010, 08:17:14 PM
Easy.  This government cant get any less popular and the opposition are just as authoritarian.  If the PM went on live TV tomorrow and decapitated a kitten with his teeth, it wouldn't make a blind bit of difference to the polls.  And then the Shadow Cabinet would criticize him for not decapitating ten, because he is soft on crime and the causes of crime.

Yeah, but why the fuck aren't the streets swarming with protesters? Isn't that what people do when the government doesn't give them any acceptable options?

We tried that with Iraq.  1.5 million marching against it.  Didn't work out too well.  Since then, it hasn't really seemed worth the effort.
Title: Re: ELENA...Germany's Big Brother temptation
Post by: Verbal Mike on January 25, 2010, 12:37:18 PM
Unfortunately it seems 1.5mil is no longer a significant number.
To quote Battlestar Galactica, we need to start making babies.
Title: Re: ELENA...Germany's Big Brother temptation
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 25, 2010, 06:34:04 PM
Quote from: Shrunkenheadspace on January 24, 2010, 08:20:05 PM
Quote from: Cain on January 24, 2010, 08:17:14 PM
Easy.  This government cant get any less popular and the opposition are just as authoritarian.  If the PM went on live TV tomorrow and decapitated a kitten with his teeth, it wouldn't make a blind bit of difference to the polls.  And then the Shadow Cabinet would criticize him for not decapitating ten, because he is soft on crime and the causes of crime.

Yeah, but why the fuck aren't the streets swarming with protesters? Isn't that what people do when the government doesn't give them any acceptable options?

No.  They watch TV.
Title: Re: ELENA...Germany's Big Brother temptation
Post by: President Television on January 25, 2010, 11:38:35 PM
Fuck this monkey-infested earth. I think I'm beginning to understand this "rage" concept a little bit.