Friends, Romans, Asshats:
I think it's safe to say that none of us here are particularly stable, at least by society's standards. If we were, we wouldn't be here. Many of us have strange phobias, paranoid tendencies, and character traits that make for Horrormirth™ in large quantities in our IRL lives.
However, I also think that we're better than the average monkeys, because we're stronger, at least on a mental level. We use muscles and glands that humans simply aren't equipped with, and it makes us better people. As a result of this, we're a pretty forgiving group. Hell, most of you forgave ME after my TWO YEAR meltdown, and if you can do that, you can do anything.
Obviously, the behavior that you're going to forgive has to stop first...and that cuts both ways.
Here is what I - for one - would like to see:
1. Everyone stop dumping on Nigel, no matter how mad you are. Be strong enough to look past the behavior of a friend who is obviously in a bad way.
2. Nigel, please stop being antagonistic. Also, please go back to being Nigel, instead of Cone. We miss you.
Basically, when you come to think of it, you as an individual only have two things in life that are worth having...your health and your friends/loved ones. Speaking from personal experience, you can't really understand how important either one is until you've lost it, and then it is usually too late.
Usually, but not always.
Not in this case, anyway. I am going to be Nigel's friend, even if that's unilateral, because I like her a lot and because she needs friends right now. Even if she is horrible to me, or won't speak to me, I'm there if she needs me. This doesn't mean that I am going to agree with her on everything, or get involved in arguments as a given, but I'm going to stick with her no matter what, just like Cain and ECH did for me, back in the bad old days.
Everyone deserves a second chance, or even a third or a fourth, and that goes both for her and for those that have said things to her...This isn't a one way street. We need to let it drop, and so does Nigel. We're friggin' GODS, even if we sometimes forget that, and we're all of us strong enough to put this all behind us, if only we aren't too lazy to do so. There is nothing to "win", here. There is only one winner in a fight like this, and that winner is closely related to the corpse-eating rats that were the real victor in WWI.
Think about it, for just a second...all we have to do is stop fighting.
One last thing...Nigel, I've said this before, and I'm going to say it again:
You can come back, baby, rock and roll never forgets.
So come back.
Or Kill Me.
Well said, and I agree.
Nigel, I am sorry for being an asshole to you. EOT, I will try to be more patient with your posts, they happen to push a very personal button within me, but that is not your fault.
For the record, I don't really have a problem with Nigel coming back... Since I've decided not to engage the Cone Collective, I'd like to be able to communicate with her again at some point, if the situation arises.
Yes yes yes. To everything, yes.
QuoteBasically, when you come to think of it, you as an individual only have two things in life that are worth having...your health and your friends/loved ones. Speaking from personal experience, you can't really understand how important either one is until you've lost it, and then it is usually too late.
Especially that. And I've lost both more than once.
Quote from: Kai on January 29, 2010, 04:40:06 PM
Yes yes yes. To everything, yes.
QuoteBasically, when you come to think of it, you as an individual only have two things in life that are worth having...your health and your friends/loved ones. Speaking from personal experience, you can't really understand how important either one is until you've lost it, and then it is usually too late.
Especially that. And I've lost both more than once.
So have I, and it's flat-out awful.
This articulates pretty much what I was getting at the last few days, when I saw this shitstorm on the horizon.
I've been pretty much keeping away from PD for all of it though, so I don't really know the ins and outs of it, and don't really care to research it. All I know is I was getting pretty frustrated with this and other situations, and if I can't do anything about them it's better to stay clear.
Nigel: You may have pissed me off a little once or twice in the past, but what you bring to the table is worth so much more than that. I'm still willing to hold out a hand to you, all you got to do is take it.
Nigel, come back. Your forum needs you.
Everyone Else: You may have pissed me off a little once or twice in the past, but the table we have here to bring stuff to is worth so much more than that. I'm still willing to hold out a hand to you all of you, in the hope that when I need you to do the same for me, someone will be there.
PD, Unite! We have nothing to lose but a couple ego points, another thin layer of what is left of our oh-so-human pride and the baggage of our monkeyish brains
Well said, TGRR.
I have nothing against Nigel, quite the opposite in fact. In my long-term lurking, hastily breezing through random threads at random intervals I have to admit that Nigel is one of the people that stood out most and made the kinds of posts that made me want to be a part of this place.
That said, I am one of those paranoids, especially with people I really don't know at all. Communicating with people I don't know, can't know, who switch at random triggers that small, irritable gland and makes it swell to the size of an angry grapefruit.
So I am sorry for calling the cone collective a fucking asshole, bad reaction on my part to a perceived loss of someone I think highly of.
Okay.
I would like it if Nigel's conical friends got their own accounts though. I might even like them!
:mittens:
TGRR, I am, as often... impressed.
I miss Nigel :sad:
yes!
Quote from: Turdley Burgleson on January 29, 2010, 05:33:39 PM
I miss Nigel :sad:
dito. I've lurked on this board since 2004 and she's been a fav poster.
Thanks, TGRR.
Hoops, I'm sorry.
I'll be less antagonistic. Perhaps not less than Nigel's original levels, but I will hold back.
I can't go back to being Nigel, yet. Treat me like something completely different if that's what makes you comfortable, but right now I need the distance and comfort of being a collective. When everything's OK again I'll see if Nigel can be resurrected.
FWIW, this is not about Mario or punishing anyone for Mario's "sins". Since I've been on the board, I've had a barrage of stresses; catching my husband cheating, losing a beloved friend/brother-in-law to a brain aneurism, opening my marriage, a divorce that is still ongoing, breaking up with the man I loved, and love, more than I have ever loved anyone, a complete breakdown and resulting financial pressures, the threat of losing my house, the death of my other brother-in-law, and then, at the very tip of the iceberg lies Mario, who I love dearly and miss tremendously, but who is not the catalyst here. So, please, anyone who is, stop assuming it's about him.
He was just one more stressor in a parade of stressors that all happened within a very short time frame.
And for fuck's sake, don't even think about offering me pity. I just need a buffer for a while. That's all.
Quote from: Turdley Burgleson on January 29, 2010, 05:33:39 PM
I miss Nigel :sad:
I don't know what's going because I've been in absentia, but damn... I <3 Nigel.
Quote from: v=1/3πr²h on January 29, 2010, 06:15:33 PM
And for fuck's sake, don't even think about offering me pity. I just need a buffer for a while. That's all.
Can't speak for anyone else, but I'll still be here when you get back.
Me too.
Same here.
Definitely.
"We love you Nigel!" "Make love to me Nigel, please!"
Nigel! I am but a mere speck in this microcosm called discordia, and I will not claim to know or understand what "the deal is," but for what it's worth, you are among my favorite people (not just here). You were one of the first people that responded to my n00bishness with a positive response, and for that, I thank you.
I will offer no pity (it irks me to offer pity, as well as receive it) and instead, I will try to be a good pal to you. I wish you good luck and a speedy recovery! There are some truly awesome people here that have your back. Return to them when you're ready!
Agreed with OP. Whatever's said or taken to ego is nothing. It's not worth loosing contact with a worthwhile and intelligent person over. We'll be around, no questions, no apologies.
I'm Felix, and I endorse this message.
That was a really nice message from Roger. I know my opinions of Nigel have not changed.
Aye. Not the same forum without you.
Aww, let's all have a big group hug.
I am not sure how comfortable I am with all this love, but thanks, guys! :)
Glad everything worked out.
I'd like to reiterate all of the repeated reiterations ITT. :D
It wouldn't be the same PD around here without you. I don't mind the cone collective thing, simply because it was a choice to do some self-reflecting and a metaprogramming aid, and not a troll or done in anger.
See 'you' when 'you' get back. :link:
:himeobs:
It would be good to have you back, Nigel. The board is not the same without you. Even through all the crap I don't think I really lost much respect for you, if any.
I miss Nigel, she's an awesome poster/person.
We'll still be here once you get back. Take a break, get stuff sorted, IRL has come first. I will, however, be looking forward to the time when Nigel can be Nigel again.
PS: That invitation for a guided tour of Lake Louise/the Canadian Rockies remains open.
Quote from: Remington on January 30, 2010, 06:28:46 AM
PS: That invitation for a guided tour of Lake Louise/the Canadian Rockies remains open.
This is a trap. They eat people up there.
TGRR,
"A Donner Party Thanksgiving."
just out of curiosity, what is this cone collective thing I keep hearing about?
Quote from: Lysergic on January 30, 2010, 07:43:00 AM
just out of curiosity, what is this cone collective thing I keep hearing about?
It's me.
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Quote from: Telarus on January 30, 2010, 04:59:42 AM
I'd like to reiterate all of the repeated reiterations ITT. :D
It wouldn't be the same PD around here without you. I don't mind the cone collective thing, simply because it was a choice to do some self-reflecting and a metaprogramming aid, and not a troll or done in anger.
See 'you' when 'you' get back. :link:
:himeobs:
Hey Tel, I'm happy for ya, and Imma let ya finish, but that was the worst use of the "HIMEOBS APPROVED" stamp of all time.
OF. ALL. TIME.
Quote from: LMNO on January 30, 2010, 01:35:07 PM
Quote from: Telarus on January 30, 2010, 04:59:42 AM
I'd like to reiterate all of the repeated reiterations ITT. :D
It wouldn't be the same PD around here without you. I don't mind the cone collective thing, simply because it was a choice to do some self-reflecting and a metaprogramming aid, and not a troll or done in anger.
See 'you' when 'you' get back. :link:
:himeobs:
Hey Tel, I'm happy for ya, and Imma let ya finish, but that was the worst use of the "HIMEOBS APPROVED" stamp of all time.
OF. ALL. TIME.
:mittens: Well played, sir, well played.
:lulz:
yeah, our emote collection doesn't quite apply to a thread like this.
Quote from: Yatto on January 30, 2010, 09:58:47 AM
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:lulz:
Geez, you people. Miss a little over the weekend, miss a lot. *has spent the better(?) part of an afternoon catching up on all this*
Nigel, you know how this place rolls. It'll do so sorely and will miss you the same way, but you gotta be you. See you when you "return"...
Nigel, I've always enjoyed your posts here. From reading those in your time here, it sounds like you've been running around taking care of everyone except you. Maybe during this, hopefully short, hiatus, you can find some time for just you. Take care of yourself and find your (god I know how tacky and cliche this sounds but it's heartfelt) happy place where you can breathe.
OP should be fucking stickied! I've fallen out with pretty much everyone on this board, Nigel included, at one time or another but there never seems to be a grudge held (except with that bastard Payne) We're like some kind of weird hyper-dysfunctional family that need to realise the internets is thicker than water or some dumb shit like that and get past petty squabbles even when they are blown out of all proportion. Or we lose awesome people (like Hunter) possibly forever and that hurts moar than losing most member of my IRL family.
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on February 02, 2010, 08:59:37 PM
(except with that bastard Payne)
Yeah, him. His day is coming.
Woah. I missed a lot in my time away from regular forum-checking.
Nothing new for me to add, except that I am also willing to wait for Nigel to come back to us when she feels ready to.
I'm back.
Also, TGRR, your entire OP is sheer fucking hypocrisy, FUCK YOU.
I have concluded that your paranoia about people throwing you under a bus, lying to you, manipulating you, and generally stabbing you in the back is a direct reflection of your own behavior, and I will never trust you again.
'Zat really you, Nigel?
If so, I gotta tell you-- the people who you let share your account really made a mess of it, and your reputation, over the last week or so.
I'd change and lock your password immediately, if I were you.
Quote from: LMNO on February 04, 2010, 02:04:20 AM
'Zat really you, Nigel?
If so, I gotta tell you-- the people who you let share your account really made a mess of it, and your reputation, over the last week or so.
I'd change and lock your password immediately, if I were you.
That's a nice try, LMNO, and I appreciate the sentiment, but the others didn't post that much, and they've completely lost interest at this point.
"Nice try"? I don't follow.
Quote from: LMNO on February 04, 2010, 02:08:11 AM
"Nice try"? I don't follow.
Just sayin', it would be easy to blame everything on my co-cones, but any mess made is mine.
Ah so some more ridiculous fight over god knows what.
THANK THE FUCKING LORD!
It's not like we have any actual new content (http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=22326.msg820820#msg820820) here right?
Obviously this menial shit is much more important
Fuck you all.
Quote from: Pariarrhea on February 04, 2010, 02:10:39 AM
Ah so some more ridiculous fight over god knows what.
THANK THE FUCKING LORD!
It's not like we have any actual new content (http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=22326.msg820820#msg820820) here right?
Obviously this menial shit is much more important
Fuck you all.
This shit happens from time to time. It'll get better.
Quote from: Calamity Nigel on February 04, 2010, 02:10:23 AM
Quote from: LMNO on February 04, 2010, 02:08:11 AM
"Nice try"? I don't follow.
Just sayin', it would be easy to blame everything on my co-cones, but any mess made is mine.
Ah. More's the pity. Well, I'll just continue to stay out of everything then, as promised.
I'm sorry to say this, but I rescind what I posted before in this thread. After reading that other insane thread I have to say that I am really appalled by it. I have lost respect.
On second thought, I am not sorry. I tried to stay neutral to this but I can't keep a blind eye to idiocy, ignorance or the stupidity.
That is all.
Quote from: NiveKRayne on February 04, 2010, 03:55:09 AM
I'm sorry to say this, but I rescind what I posted before in this thread. After reading that other insane thread I have to say that I am really appalled by it. I have lost respect.
On second thought, I am not sorry. I tried to stay neutral to this but I can't keep a blind eye to idiocy, ignorance or the stupidity.
That is all.
Well, enjoy your friend.
Until he turns on you. It's just a matter of time.
Quote from: Calamity Nigel on February 04, 2010, 04:16:29 AM
Quote from: NiveKRayne on February 04, 2010, 03:55:09 AM
I'm sorry to say this, but I rescind what I posted before in this thread. After reading that other insane thread I have to say that I am really appalled by it. I have lost respect.
On second thought, I am not sorry. I tried to stay neutral to this but I can't keep a blind eye to idiocy, ignorance or the stupidity.
That is all.
Well, enjoy your friend.
Until he turns on you. It's just a matter of time.
I'm sorry, Nigel. But this has got to end. You threw your friends away by attacking them. I know Roger IRL, and I'm not about to toss him out. I'm not doing this on his part. I'm not taking his side because of it. I'm taking his side because I saw what happened in that thread. You took things out of context and acted like a fucking psycho.
Nigel, I tried to stay neutral to both of you, because I respected the two of you. But after I read all that, I have to say that I have lost all respect for you, as a peer and as a friend. Not that it matters to you, apparently.
This is all I have to say to you, and I would appreciate it if we leave it at that.
Quote from: NiveKRayne on February 04, 2010, 04:28:23 AM
Quote from: Calamity Nigel on February 04, 2010, 04:16:29 AM
Quote from: NiveKRayne on February 04, 2010, 03:55:09 AM
I'm sorry to say this, but I rescind what I posted before in this thread. After reading that other insane thread I have to say that I am really appalled by it. I have lost respect.
On second thought, I am not sorry. I tried to stay neutral to this but I can't keep a blind eye to idiocy, ignorance or the stupidity.
That is all.
Well, enjoy your friend.
Until he turns on you. It's just a matter of time.
I'm sorry, Nigel. But this has got to end. You threw your friends away by attacking them. I know Roger IRL, and I'm not about to toss him out. I'm not doing this on his part. I'm not taking his side because of it. I'm taking his side because I saw what happened in that thread. You took things out of context and acted like a fucking psycho.
Nigel, I tried to stay neutral to both of you, because I respected the two of you. But after I read all that, I have to say that I have lost all respect for you, as a peer and as a friend. Not that it matters to you, apparently.
This is all I have to say to you, and I would appreciate it if we leave it at that.
What friends did I throw away? GS was not my friend. And where is the attack on TGRR?
No, I'm afraid that neither your respect nor your retracted promise of compassion mean much to me. They're both as reliable as a candle in a hurricane.
No, it stops there. I'm not getting involved in your high school drama. I put in my two cents and that was it. I knew that you didn't give a flying fuck in the first place. But this is it. I am not replying to feed your hate fire. If you want a real fight then you should pick one with a real person instead of preying on people behind text. Grow up, seriously.
No more.
What is this business of saying your piece and then telling me "no more"? If you're done, just stop talking about it.
Perhaps you should be taking your own advice.
Quote from: NiveKRayne on February 04, 2010, 05:16:08 AM
Perhaps you should be taking your own advice.
Which advice? I am pretty sure that was all your suggestion.
Insert Nivek's last word here, along with admonishment for Nigel to drop it.
OK, time to kiss and make up.
If it's bad enough to bring me out of lurk mode, it must have gone far enough right? ;)
Quote from: Aliantha on February 04, 2010, 05:30:28 AM
OK, time to kiss and make up.
If it's bad enough to bring me out of lurk mode, it must have gone far enough right? ;)
:lulz: