... bills aimed at preventing child prostitution.
http://blogs.ajc.com/political-insider-jim-galloway/2010/02/01/georgias-christian-right-comes-out-against-bills-aimed-at-child-prostitution/?cxntfid=blogs_political_insider_jim_galloway
QuoteThe weight of the state's Christian right movement just came down in opposition to a pair of bills that would steer young girls under the age of 16 into diversionary programs instead of arresting them on charges of prostitution.
The press conference came just hours after several hundred people turned out to support the measures.
Representatives from the Georgia Christian Alliance, the Georgia Christian Coalition, Ralph Reed's Faith and Freedom Coalition, and the Georgia Baptist Convention all put in appearances. Republican candidate for governor John Oxendine appeared around the edges of the afternoon press conference, but did not speak.
At issue are two separate bills, one in the House and one in the Senate. Both are sponsored by Republicans.
"Who will benefit from the passage of H.B. 582 or S.B. 304? I'll tell you who – the very profitable and growing pedophile industry," said former state Sen. Nancy Shafer. "It is imperative that these bills be defeated.
Some opponents said the bills amounted to decriminalization, which amounted to legalization. And would lead to more prostitution, not less, they said.
"Decriminalizing that means the police would have absolutely no interest in it at all," said Sue Ella Deadwyler, who writes a Christian conservative newsletter. "They wouldn't arrest the girls, they wouldn't pick the girls up, they wouldn't protect them from influence on the street from the pimps and the johns. It would be an absolute cultural upheaval in our state. Never in the United States, as far as I known, has juvenile prostitution been legalized."
Renee Unterman of Buford, author of the Senate bill, confirmed that she had been in contact with opponents of her legislation. She said a compromise was in the works.
:facepalm:
The fuck?
QuoteSome opponents said the bills amounted to decriminalization, which amounted to legalization. And would lead to more prostitution, not less, they said.
Somebody should really put these dogs on a leash.
This is fucked up, even by their standards.
Usually one of the redeeming features of the Religious Right has been how hard they have come down on sex traffickers and crimes against children (excluding the Vaitcan, naturally) while being sympathetic to the victims of such things.
WWJD?
LOCK THE SLUTS UP
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:mullet:
It's not like putting under-aged prostitutes in jail actually makes the problem go away. Then you just have fresh out of jail ex-prostitutes who don't know how to do anything else!
:lulz:
Holy hell.
WHAT DID I TELL YOU GUYS?
THIS DECADE IS ALREADY FUNNIER THAN THE LAST ONE!
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 02, 2010, 12:12:38 AM
Holy hell.
WHAT DID I TELL YOU GUYS?
THIS DECADE IS ALREADY FUNNIER THAN THE LAST ONE!
You're a prophet, man.
Quote from: Shrunkenheadspace on February 02, 2010, 12:39:57 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 02, 2010, 12:12:38 AM
Holy hell.
WHAT DID I TELL YOU GUYS?
THIS DECADE IS ALREADY FUNNIER THAN THE LAST ONE!
You're a prophet, man.
Well, yes. My record is unpleasantly good.
Correct me if I'm wrong. These religious freaks think that it's better to put victims of pedophilia into jail than it is to try to try to give them therapy?
They need to do more routine trips to the sun
Quote from: Fuquad on February 02, 2010, 02:21:27 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong. These religious freaks think that it's better to put victims of pedophilia into jail than it is to try to try to give them therapy?
Yes. We must punish these girls for falling into the care of pedophiles. How will they ever learn their lesson if we don't lock them away for years? Not punishing them means that the pedos win.
Quote from: Iason Ouabache on February 02, 2010, 04:24:27 AM
Quote from: Fuquad on February 02, 2010, 02:21:27 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong. These religious freaks think that it's better to put victims of pedophilia into jail than it is to try to try to give them therapy?
Yes. We must punish these girls for falling into the care of pedophiles. How will they ever learn their lesson if we don't lock them away for years? Not punishing them means that the pedos win.
I wish I could make it through one day without the desire to stab someone in the face.
Just One Fucking Day.
Quote from: Sigmatic on February 01, 2010, 11:04:06 PM
The fuck?
QuoteSome opponents said the bills amounted to decriminalization, which amounted to legalization. And would lead to more prostitution, not less, they said.
Somebody should really put these dogs down.
fixed that for you.
Yeah, typo. My bad.
Quote from: Fuquad on February 02, 2010, 05:58:54 AM
Quote from: Iason Ouabache on February 02, 2010, 04:24:27 AM
Quote from: Fuquad on February 02, 2010, 02:21:27 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong. These religious freaks think that it's better to put victims of pedophilia into jail than it is to try to try to give them therapy?
Yes. We must punish these girls for falling into the care of pedophiles. How will they ever learn their lesson if we don't lock them away for years? Not punishing them means that the pedos win.
I wish I could make it through one day without the desire to stab someone in the face.
Just One Fucking Day.
I've been around since the Johnson Administration, and the moment I have one of those days, I'll let you know.
2/3rds of the poor kids deserved it.
The twisted thought process goes thusly:
She's 16, therefore a CHILD.
YOU CAN'T TALK TO A CHILD ABOUT SEX, THAT MAKES YOU A PEDOPHILE!!!!!!!
THEY want to take any young girls picked up for prostitution, and (instead of throwing them into a dark hole, so no-one EVER has to think about young girls and sex at the same time) THEY want to have the girls TALK ABOUT IT with someone TRAINED TO TALK TO YOUNG GIRLS ABOUT SEX.
THEY'RE HANDING THESE GIRLS RIGHT INTO THE PEDOPHILES WAITING HANDS!!!!!!11!!11 ONE ONE !!
(see "pedophile industry" comment)
Good thing there isn't any sexual abuse in prison, hey?
Quote from: Cain on February 02, 2010, 06:47:01 PM
Good thing there isn't any sexual abuse in prison, hey?
At least we use soap!
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Well. Alright then. (goes off to bang head against wall)
The Religious Right is also opposed to... not throwing homosexuals in jail.
http://action.afa.net/Blogs/BlogPost.aspx?id=2147491680
QuoteThis raises the question, then, as to whether sodomy laws should be, or legitimately have been, repealed just because they are rarely enforced.
The answer to this is a clear and unequivocal "No."
Think for a moment of the current social controversies that could potentially be avoided if homosexual conduct was still against the law.
Gays in the military: problem solved. We shouldn't make a place for habitual felons in the armed forces. End of discussion, end of controversy. If someone objects, ask them which other felonies the military ought to overlook in screening recruits.
Gay marriage: problem solved. We should never legalize unions between any two people when the union is forged specifically to engage in felony behavior. Would we sanction, for instance, the formation of a corporation whose stated purpose was to import illegal drugs?
Gay indoctrination in the schools: problem solved. We don't want to raise a generation of schoolchildren to believe that felony behavior is perfectly appropriate. That's why we spend so much money warning students about the danger of drugs.
Hate crimes laws: problem solved. We wouldn't throw a pastor in jail for saying that illegal behavior is not only illegal but also immoral. For instance, he's free to say that murder is not only contrary to man's law but also to God's law. End of the threat to freedom of religion and speech.
Special rights for homosexuals in the workplace: problem solved. No employer should be forced to hire admitted felons to work for him. End of the threat to freedom of religion and freedom of association in the marketplace.
This list could actually be extended, but you get the point. Laws not only curb dangerous and risky behavior, they keep such behavior from being normalized, sanctioned and endorsed by the rest of society, and as such render an enormous benefit to a healthy culture.
:facepalm:
I was scared for a second there. I thought this insanity had gone nationwide but then I clicked on the link and realized this was about my state. I love the geniuses at the state senate. Atlanta (where I/they currently reside) is the North American capitol for sex trafficking. And what does the state government want to do about this? Absolutely nothing. Apparently, someone was able to convince the state government that yes, 16 year old runaways are consenting to become prostitutes. There was a plan a decade back was to amend the insanity by pushing the age of consent up to 18 and believe or not, said legislation got Killed like Bill. There's also opposition to the bill that will make child abuse a crime regardless of whether or not you're related to the child.
That reminds me, there was a bill here in the Indiana state senate that would make churches meet some minimum requirements before being allowed to run a day care. A bunch of people went apeshit over it. The senator who wrote the bill even had her preacher calling her an atheist. Most of the fuckers who were against it didn't even read the fucking bill. :horrormirth:
That's because they are monkeys that can't handle messy facts, but think only in terms of keywords and symbols.
Quote from: Iason Ouabache on February 04, 2010, 07:32:21 PM
The Religious Right is also opposed to... not throwing homosexuals in jail.
http://action.afa.net/Blogs/BlogPost.aspx?id=2147491680
QuoteThis raises the question, then, as to whether sodomy laws should be, or legitimately have been, repealed just because they are rarely enforced.
The answer to this is a clear and unequivocal "No."
Think for a moment of the current social controversies that could potentially be avoided if homosexual conduct was still against the law.
Gays in the military: problem solved. We shouldn't make a place for habitual felons in the armed forces. End of discussion, end of controversy. If someone objects, ask them which other felonies the military ought to overlook in screening recruits.
Gay marriage: problem solved. We should never legalize unions between any two people when the union is forged specifically to engage in felony behavior. Would we sanction, for instance, the formation of a corporation whose stated purpose was to import illegal drugs?
Gay indoctrination in the schools: problem solved. We don't want to raise a generation of schoolchildren to believe that felony behavior is perfectly appropriate. That's why we spend so much money warning students about the danger of drugs.
Hate crimes laws: problem solved. We wouldn't throw a pastor in jail for saying that illegal behavior is not only illegal but also immoral. For instance, he's free to say that murder is not only contrary to man's law but also to God's law. End of the threat to freedom of religion and speech.
Special rights for homosexuals in the workplace: problem solved. No employer should be forced to hire admitted felons to work for him. End of the threat to freedom of religion and freedom of association in the marketplace.
This list could actually be extended, but you get the point. Laws not only curb dangerous and risky behavior, they keep such behavior from being normalized, sanctioned and endorsed by the rest of society, and as such render an enormous benefit to a healthy culture.
I thought they'd always had this position. The wanting to throw sexually abused children in jail thing actually came as a bit of a surprise.
Quote from: Iason Ouabache on February 04, 2010, 07:32:21 PM
The Religious Right is also opposed to... not throwing homosexuals in jail.
http://action.afa.net/Blogs/BlogPost.aspx?id=2147491680
QuoteThis raises the question, then, as to whether sodomy laws should be, or legitimately have been, repealed just because they are rarely enforced.
The answer to this is a clear and unequivocal "No."
Think for a moment of the current social controversies that could potentially be avoided if homosexual conduct was still against the law.
Gays in the military: problem solved. We shouldn't make a place for habitual felons in the armed forces. End of discussion, end of controversy. If someone objects, ask them which other felonies the military ought to overlook in screening recruits.
Gay marriage: problem solved. We should never legalize unions between any two people when the union is forged specifically to engage in felony behavior. Would we sanction, for instance, the formation of a corporation whose stated purpose was to import illegal drugs?
Gay indoctrination in the schools: problem solved. We don't want to raise a generation of schoolchildren to believe that felony behavior is perfectly appropriate. That's why we spend so much money warning students about the danger of drugs.
Hate crimes laws: problem solved. We wouldn't throw a pastor in jail for saying that illegal behavior is not only illegal but also immoral. For instance, he's free to say that murder is not only contrary to man's law but also to God's law. End of the threat to freedom of religion and speech.
Special rights for homosexuals in the workplace: problem solved. No employer should be forced to hire admitted felons to work for him. End of the threat to freedom of religion and freedom of association in the marketplace.
This list could actually be extended, but you get the point. Laws not only curb dangerous and risky behavior, they keep such behavior from being normalized, sanctioned and endorsed by the rest of society, and as such render an enormous benefit to a healthy culture.
this got me thinking - could one be convicted of varying degrees of sodomy? (like manslaughter?)
i.e. if you were drunk and "did it on accident" could be like 3rd degree sodomy. (pronounced turd degree, har har)
edit: i tried to fix my "accidentally wrote my response inside the quote" error, but it appears i did not make the error?
You forgot that the religious right also opposes not executing homosexuals.
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=al&vol=1002045&invol=2
QuoteThe State carries the power of the sword, that is, the power to prohibit conduct with physical penalties, such as confinement and even execution. It must use that power to prevent the subversion of children toward this lifestyle, to not encourage a criminal lifestyle.
The Religious Right endorses the death penalty for homosexuality and you're surprised? But God told 'em to do it (dontcha know).
Quote from: Almighty God
"If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads. (Lev 20:13)
Quote from: Lord Quantum on February 06, 2010, 09:45:03 PM
The Religious Right endorses the death penalty for homosexuality and you're surprised? But God told 'em to do it (dontcha know).
Quote from: Almighty God
"If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads. (Lev 20:13)
Funny how they ignore Leveticus 11:7, 10-12; 19:9-10, 19, 27... need I go on?
Ah, good old "anything for a laugh" Leviticus.
Quote from: Sigmatic on February 06, 2010, 10:07:25 PM
Ah, good old "anything for a laugh" Leviticus.
It made perfect sense for a bunch of dirty wanderers. Kinda like how an alcoholic has to go completely straight to get their life together.
Doesn't make much sense for the world of today though.
Does this mean the Bible isn't -gasp- TIMELESS?
Quote from: Sigmatic on February 06, 2010, 10:35:34 PM
Does this mean the Bible isn't -gasp- TIMELESS?
Modern religions base their beliefs on situations that have ceased to exist. The only way to build a timeless system of ethics is to base your beliefs on a situation that never happened to begin with. Like that time when vampires took over the Earth in '85.
Quote from: Lord Quantum on February 06, 2010, 10:37:31 PM
Quote from: Sigmatic on February 06, 2010, 10:35:34 PM
Does this mean the Bible isn't -gasp- TIMELESS?
Modern religions base their beliefs on situations that have ceased to exist. The only way to build a timeless system of ethics is to base your beliefs on a situation that never happened to begin with. Like that time when vampires took over the Earth in '85.
lulz
I base my ethical code on the cyborg political coup of 2054.
Quote from: Sigmatic on February 05, 2010, 01:29:15 AM
That's because they are monkeys that can't handle messy facts, but think only in terms of keywords and symbols.
This drives me up the fucking wall sometimes. I was going to add something else but I stepped away and forgot.
Quote from: Burns on February 06, 2010, 11:44:14 PM
Quote from: Sigmatic on February 05, 2010, 01:29:15 AM
That's because they are monkeys that can't handle messy facts, but think only in terms of keywords and symbols.
This drives me up the fucking wall sometimes. I was going to add something else but I stepped away and forgot.
I feel for ya. It's like that story Kai had of the researcher who offered his thoughts on homosexuality. People just flip out when they hear certain words uttered outside the narrative they expect.