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Principia Discordia => Apple Talk => Topic started by: Doktor Howl on March 07, 2010, 06:29:40 PM

Title: So, yeah. Jury duty.
Post by: Doktor Howl on March 07, 2010, 06:29:40 PM
HO HO HO!

:lulz:

Other than stickering the bejaysus out of the courthouse itself, and deliberately attempting to get on a jury to fuck with the system as a whole, any ideas for the Dok?
Title: Re: So, yeah. Jury duty.
Post by: Iason Ouabache on March 07, 2010, 07:15:49 PM
 :lulz:  Epic lulz!
Title: Re: So, yeah. Jury duty.
Post by: Doktor Howl on March 07, 2010, 07:18:03 PM
Quote from: Iason Ouabache on March 07, 2010, 07:15:49 PM
:lulz:  Epic lulz!

DEAR MR FOX:  PLS COME GUARD HENHOUSE.  KTHXBYE.
Title: Re: So, yeah. Jury duty.
Post by: Requia ☣ on March 07, 2010, 07:21:35 PM
Bait the other jurors into making racist comments.
Title: Re: So, yeah. Jury duty.
Post by: Iason Ouabache on March 07, 2010, 07:23:04 PM
Quote from: Requia ☣ on March 07, 2010, 07:21:35 PM
Bait the other jurors into making racist comments.
Better idea, teach them about the finer points of jury nullification.  :D
Title: Re: So, yeah. Jury duty.
Post by: Doktor Howl on March 07, 2010, 07:23:14 PM
Quote from: Requia ☣ on March 07, 2010, 07:21:35 PM
Bait the other jurors into making racist comments.

Okay, that's what I'm talking about.   :lulz:
Title: Re: So, yeah. Jury duty.
Post by: Requia ☣ on March 07, 2010, 07:37:12 PM
After the jurors have become convinced that the guy is guilty, tell them some stories about some of the less scrupulous cops you've worked with.
Title: Re: So, yeah. Jury duty.
Post by: Faust on March 07, 2010, 07:41:52 PM
See if you can make a hung jury, drag out everyones time and expenses for as long as possible.
Title: Re: So, yeah. Jury duty.
Post by: the last yatto on March 07, 2010, 08:40:43 PM
theres a contest going around

goal is to get kicked off the jury (ie once you been selected and sit down) in the fastest time possible
but to do so without breaking any laws (ie contempt of court)

think the record is 5 hours, by someone pretending to have tortes
Title: Re: So, yeah. Jury duty.
Post by: Doktor Howl on March 07, 2010, 08:42:20 PM
Quote from: Requia ☣ on March 07, 2010, 07:37:12 PM
After the jurors have become convinced that the guy is guilty, tell them some stories about some of the less scrupulous cops you've worked with.

EITHER

         They're ALL guilty of SOMETHING

OR

         The man is trying to bring them down.

One or the other.  There is no in between.
Title: Re: So, yeah. Jury duty.
Post by: Dysnomia on March 07, 2010, 08:44:48 PM
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Title: Re: So, yeah. Jury duty.
Post by: Doktor Howl on March 07, 2010, 08:45:22 PM
 :lulz:
Title: Re: So, yeah. Jury duty.
Post by: Remington on March 07, 2010, 10:02:14 PM
Oh, this is going to be good.

Wear a white labcoat to the courthouse, and introduce yourself as Doktor (emphasis on the k, ala russian accent). Refuse to elaborate on what branch of science you specialize in.
Title: Re: So, yeah. Jury duty.
Post by: Doktor Howl on March 07, 2010, 10:07:58 PM
Quote from: Remington on March 07, 2010, 10:02:14 PM
Oh, this is going to be good.

Wear a white labcoat to the courthouse, and introduce yourself as Doktor (emphasis on the k, ala russian accent). Refuse to elaborate on what branch of science you specialize in.

I have a surgical gown now.  Would that work better?
Title: Re: So, yeah. Jury duty.
Post by: Richter on March 07, 2010, 10:12:58 PM
Point out loopholes in the system.
Speak Spanish until they EXPLICITLY tell you that the business of the court is conducted in English.
Ask the lawyers how much they're getting paid.
Title: Re: So, yeah. Jury duty.
Post by: Salty on March 07, 2010, 10:15:21 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 07, 2010, 10:07:58 PM
Quote from: Remington on March 07, 2010, 10:02:14 PM
Oh, this is going to be good.

Wear a white labcoat to the courthouse, and introduce yourself as Doktor (emphasis on the k, ala russian accent). Refuse to elaborate on what branch of science you specialize in.

I have a surgical gown now.  Would that work better?

Bring a cathater and a cholostomy bag with you. "Just in case."
Title: Re: So, yeah. Jury duty.
Post by: Remington on March 07, 2010, 10:28:55 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 07, 2010, 10:07:58 PM
Quote from: Remington on March 07, 2010, 10:02:14 PM
Oh, this is going to be good.

Wear a white labcoat to the courthouse, and introduce yourself as Doktor (emphasis on the k, ala russian accent). Refuse to elaborate on what branch of science you specialize in.

I have a surgical gown now.  Would that work better?
That would be sufficient.

Also, both Richter and Alty have excellent suggestions.
Title: Re: So, yeah. Jury duty.
Post by: Doktor Howl on March 07, 2010, 10:31:47 PM
 :lulz:

Oh, these are good.
Title: Re: So, yeah. Jury duty.
Post by: Mangrove on March 07, 2010, 10:36:33 PM
Possibilities:

a) Make an enormous fuss about being 'sworn in'. (eg: ask that the Bible be replaced with TV guide etc)

b) Wear a Star Trek uniform. Seriously, I remember some years ago about some woman who was kicked off a jury for wearing her uniform and debating the case with the 'principles of Trek' which she believed was a valid moral code.

c) Tell them you have 'occult powers'.

d) Tin foil hats are 'in' this spring. Remember to accessorize.

e) Answer all questions in a weird voice while bending your right index finger like the kid from The Shining. (red rum! red rum!)

f) Place the race card, only do it completely wrong. Eg: Suspect that the white lawyers are persecuting you for being white etc.

g) Only answer questions in rhyme.

h) End as many statements as possible with the phrase '....according to prophecy.'
Title: Re: So, yeah. Jury duty.
Post by: Doktor Howl on March 07, 2010, 10:49:46 PM
Quote from: Mangrove on March 07, 2010, 10:36:33 PM
Possibilities:

a) Make an enormous fuss about being 'sworn in'. (eg: ask that the Bible be replaced with TV guide etc)

b) Wear a Star Trek uniform. Seriously, I remember some years ago about some woman who was kicked off a jury for wearing her uniform and debating the case with the 'principles of Trek' which she believed was a valid moral code.

c) Tell them you have 'occult powers'.

d) Tin foil hats are 'in' this spring. Remember to accessorize.

e) Answer all questions in a weird voice while bending your right index finger like the kid from The Shining. (red rum! red rum!)

f) Place the race card, only do it completely wrong. Eg: Suspect that the white lawyers are persecuting you for being white etc.

g) Only answer questions in rhyme.

h) End as many statements as possible with the phrase '....according to prophecy.'

Thanks, but I'm not trying to get out of it, but fuck it up entirely.

How many points is a mistrial without breaking any laws worth?
Title: Re: So, yeah. Jury duty.
Post by: Mangrove on March 07, 2010, 10:53:53 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 07, 2010, 10:49:46 PM
Quote from: Mangrove on March 07, 2010, 10:36:33 PM
Possibilities:

a) Make an enormous fuss about being 'sworn in'. (eg: ask that the Bible be replaced with TV guide etc)

b) Wear a Star Trek uniform. Seriously, I remember some years ago about some woman who was kicked off a jury for wearing her uniform and debating the case with the 'principles of Trek' which she believed was a valid moral code.

c) Tell them you have 'occult powers'.

d) Tin foil hats are 'in' this spring. Remember to accessorize.

e) Answer all questions in a weird voice while bending your right index finger like the kid from The Shining. (red rum! red rum!)

f) Place the race card, only do it completely wrong. Eg: Suspect that the white lawyers are persecuting you for being white etc.

g) Only answer questions in rhyme.

h) End as many statements as possible with the phrase '....according to prophecy.'

Thanks, but I'm not trying to get out of it, but fuck it up entirely.

How many points is a mistrial without breaking any laws worth?

Instigating a legal mistrial. Would that be the judicial equivalent of being a physicist and finding out a Theory Of Everything tm?

Title: Re: So, yeah. Jury duty.
Post by: Mangrove on March 07, 2010, 10:58:49 PM
Ok, so it may be easier than it sounds:

A courtroom trial  that has been terminated prior to its normal conclusion. A mistrial has no legal effect and is considered an invalid  or nugatory  trial. It differs from a "new trial," which recognizes that a trial was completed but was set aside so that the issues could be tried again.

A judge may declare a mistrial for several reasons, including lack of jurisdiction, incorrect jury selection, or a deadlocked, or hung, jury. A deadlocked jury — where the jurors cannot agree over the defendant's guilt or innocence — is a common reason for declaring a mistrial. Extraordinary circumstances, such as death or illness of a necessary juror or an attorney, may also result in a mistrial. A mistrial may also result from a fundamental error so prejudicial to the defendant that it cannot be cured by appropriate instructions to the jury, such as improper remarks made during the prosecution's summation.

In determining whether to declare a mistrial, the court must decide whether the error is so prejudicial and fundamental that expenditure of further time and expense would be wasteful, if not futile. Although the judge has the power to declare a mistrial and discharge a jury, this power should be "exercised with great care and only in cases of absolute necessity" (Salvatore v. State of Florida, 366 So. 2d 745 [Fla. 1978], cert. denied, 444 U.S. 885, 100 S. Ct. 177, 62 L. Ed. 2d 115 [1979]).

For example, in Ferguson v. State, 417 So. 2d 639 (Fla. 1982), the defendant moved for a mistrial because of an allegedly improper comment made by the prosecution during closing argument. The prosecution stated that not only was defense counsel asking the jury to find a scapegoat for the defendant's guilt, he was also putting the blame on someone who had already been found guilty. The appellate court found that the lower court had properly denied the motion for a mistrial because the prosecutor's comment fell within the bounds of "fair reply."

A mistrial in a criminal prosecution may prevent retrial under the double jeopardy provision of the Fifth Amendment, which prohibits an individual from being tried twice for the same offense, unless required by the interests of justice and depending on which party moved for the mistrial. Typically, there is no bar to a retrial if the defendant requests or consents to a mistrial. A retrial may be barred if the court grants a mistrial without the defendant's consent, or over his objection. If the mistrial results from judicial or prosecutorial misconduct, a retrial will be barred. In United States v. Jorn, 400 U.S. 470, 91 S. Ct. 547, 27 L. Ed. 2d 543 (1971), the Supreme Court held that reprosecuting the defendant would constitute double jeopardy because the judge had abused his discretion in declaring a mistrial. On his own motion, the judge had declared a mistrial to enable government witnesses to consult with their own attorneys.


Title: Re: So, yeah. Jury duty.
Post by: Requia ☣ on March 07, 2010, 11:13:42 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 07, 2010, 08:42:20 PM
Quote from: Requia ☣ on March 07, 2010, 07:37:12 PM
After the jurors have become convinced that the guy is guilty, tell them some stories about some of the less scrupulous cops you've worked with.

EITHER

         They're ALL guilty of SOMETHING


Explain how Kafka is right, get other jurors to confess to frivolous felonies (owning too many computers, Thursday night poker, that kind of thing).
Title: Re: So, yeah. Jury duty.
Post by: Elder Iptuous on March 08, 2010, 12:10:50 AM
Quote from: Iason Ouabache on March 07, 2010, 07:23:04 PM
Quote from: Requia ☣ on March 07, 2010, 07:21:35 PM
Bait the other jurors into making racist comments.
Better idea, teach them about the finer points of jury nullification.  :D
Yes, this.....
I understand that jury nullification makes judges bust blood vessels.
i think they have all info needed at www.fija.org
Title: Re: So, yeah. Jury duty.
Post by: Sir Squid Diddimus on March 08, 2010, 12:36:00 AM
If the other jurors think the defendant is guilty you explain to them that he/she isn't. Demand that he/she is innocent and give them valid reasons.
Once convinced, change your mind and convince them again.
Do this for a while.
Title: Re: So, yeah. Jury duty.
Post by: Shibboleet The Annihilator on March 08, 2010, 04:48:13 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 07, 2010, 06:29:40 PM
HO HO HO!

:lulz:

Other than stickering the bejaysus out of the courthouse itself, and deliberately attempting to get on a jury to fuck with the system as a whole, any ideas for the Dok?

Google "jury nullification" and try not to get booted. Go from there.
Title: Re: So, yeah. Jury duty.
Post by: Dysnomia on March 08, 2010, 06:54:22 AM
for some reason I keep reading Mistrial as Minstrel.  Therefore I believe it is a sign from the Goddess that you go dressed as a minstrel, and communicate only in whimsical song for the entire duration of the trial.

(read, as in Sir Robin's minstrels, not the racist blackface shit that came up in google search.  Although I suppose that would be good for getting one out by means of playing the racist card...)
Title: Re: So, yeah. Jury duty.
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on March 08, 2010, 07:17:38 AM
Just a reminder to check the urinals for the correct water pressure.

Probably a given, but...
Title: Re: So, yeah. Jury duty.
Post by: Doktor Howl on March 08, 2010, 02:21:36 PM
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on March 08, 2010, 07:17:38 AM
Just a reminder to check the urinals for the correct water pressure.

Probably a given, but...

That's a given.

You can't be too careful, and I AM a maintenance man.
Title: Re: So, yeah. Jury duty.
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on March 08, 2010, 02:47:30 PM
Also play down your cop history. Someone on my team got bumped off of three juries because she worked with cops and "knew too much about the legal system" so she couldn't be a juror...

I'm sure that made sense to someone.
Title: Re: So, yeah. Jury duty.
Post by: LMNO on March 08, 2010, 03:26:37 PM
If you get onto the jury, continually change your decision so that it runs counter to the majority.  Give them a first-hand lesson in the Law of Fives.

Also, try coming up with the most insane conspiracy theories, given the facts provided.  Bonus points if you can convince the jury that the judge is in on it.
Title: Re: So, yeah. Jury duty.
Post by: Doktor Howl on March 08, 2010, 03:27:40 PM
Quote from: LMNO on March 08, 2010, 03:26:37 PM
If you get onto the jury, continually change your decision so that it runs counter to the majority.  Give them a first-hand lesson in the Law of Fives.

Also, try coming up with the most insane conspiracy theories, given the facts provided.  Bonus points if you can convince the jury that the judge is in on it.

Well, first I have to get out of the pool and onto a jury.

This will be March 29th.
Title: Re: So, yeah. Jury duty.
Post by: Richter on March 08, 2010, 05:49:18 PM
In deliberation, bring up how much has been spent on legal counsel.  Insist that "America Justice", despite the front of accessabiltiy and equality, must be bought to keep "the wrong sort" from taking advantage of actual protection of the law.
Title: Re: So, yeah. Jury duty.
Post by: Bella on March 08, 2010, 10:49:32 PM
Tell the other jurors that your psychic said the defendant was not guilty and wait to see how long it takes them to tattle on you.
The courts do not hold with people who call people like me.


Bella,

Hasn't been picked for jury duty in over ten years.
Title: Re: So, yeah. Jury duty.
Post by: Telarus on March 09, 2010, 12:50:45 AM
Oooh, I have jury duty coming up next month. Good stuff, ITT.

And yeah, if you're going to pull the 'jury nullification' card, don't freakin mention it at all until the jury is sequestered.