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IT'S NATURAL!
Fuck yeah it is.
You know what else is natural? Arsenic.
America doesn't have a breadbaset anymore, its a cornhole now.
Fuck amber waves of grain, we have low cost, subsidized processed sweetener that will FUCKING KILL YOU.
We need to put all the corn somewhere. Gift from the gods and all.
What we really need is more subsidies for corn.
Or to start making corn from other products. So you can use more corn to make other stuff.
The department of agriculture says they want to offer you a job.
LET THE MATING BEGIN!
Phase 2, will be even better. That's where we start making corn out of products made originally out of corn, before being turned into Applesauce and crap.
It's like a giant pyramid scheme, OF CORN!
:lulz:
Quote from: Cain on March 25, 2010, 05:47:11 PM
Phase 2, will be even better. That's where we start making corn out of products made originally out of corn, before being turned into Applesauce and crap.
It's like a giant pyramid scheme, OF CORN!
Biodegradable corn plastic wrapping for foods, which make a delicious soup stock when allowed to spoil JUST a bit.
They WILL sell us trash juice, and they will charge.
Quote from: Richter on March 25, 2010, 05:55:17 PM
Quote from: Cain on March 25, 2010, 05:47:11 PM
Phase 2, will be even better. That's where we start making corn out of products made originally out of corn, before being turned into Applesauce and crap.
It's like a giant pyramid scheme, OF CORN!
Biodegradable corn plastic wrapping for foods, which make a delicious soup stock when allowed to spoil JUST a bit.
They WILL sell us trash juice, and they will charge.
UGH! OMG UGHUGHUGHUGHUGH!!!!!!!!! :x :horrormirth: :x
Quote from: Cain on March 25, 2010, 05:47:11 PM
It's like a giant pyramid scheme, OF CORN!
you just accurately described most of American between the Missouri River and the Appalachians.
Now I kind of want to find out how to do that. You know, take normal, healthy corn, turn it into refined matter, then transmute it into I dunno unhealthy corn that tastes better than real corn and gives you gout.
Quote from: Richter on March 25, 2010, 05:55:17 PM
Quote from: Cain on March 25, 2010, 05:47:11 PM
Phase 2, will be even better. That's where we start making corn out of products made originally out of corn, before being turned into Applesauce and crap.
It's like a giant pyramid scheme, OF CORN!
Biodegradable corn plastic wrapping for foods, which make a delicious soup stock when allowed to spoil JUST a bit.
They WILL sell us trash juice, and they will charge.
:vom:
Somebody scoop that up! We can make it into CORN!
High Fructose Corn Syrup is good for you!
I saw a commercial several days ago that informed me of this, so it must be true.
Ha, found them:
http://www.youtube.com/user/TrueChristianDOTcom#p/u/4/EEbRxTOyGf0
http://www.youtube.com/user/TrueChristianDOTcom#p/u/3/KVsgXPt564Q
http://www.youtube.com/user/TrueChristianDOTcom#p/u/2/7BJJGzbN3fg
The third one is the one I saw.
Quote from: Ten Ton Mantis on March 25, 2010, 07:42:15 PM
Somebody scoop that up! We can make it into CORN!
Now you're thinking with
portals corn.
nigel, or anyone else who could apply for a job at a casino
can you explain why your ancestors thought it was a good idea
to teach the whiteman how to farm corn again...
Quote from: Jerry_Frankster on March 25, 2010, 07:45:03 PM
High Fructose Corn Syrup is good for you!
I saw a commercial several days ago that informed me of this, so it must be true.
Ha, found them:
http://www.youtube.com/user/TrueChristianDOTcom#p/u/4/EEbRxTOyGf0
http://www.youtube.com/user/TrueChristianDOTcom#p/u/3/KVsgXPt564Q
http://www.youtube.com/user/TrueChristianDOTcom#p/u/2/7BJJGzbN3fg
The third one is the one I saw.
I have the home address of the guy who runs the website mentioned in that ad. Anybody want it?
Quote from: Pēleus on March 26, 2010, 09:04:54 AM
nigel, or anyone else who could apply for a job at a casino
can you explain why your ancestors thought it was a good idea
to teach the whiteman how to farm corn again...
Where's that plan B cartoon when I need it...
something about failing to fight them off using our military, so we teach them to grow corn so they'll gradually die off from obesity and diabetes.
Lol, long term plans for domination...
http://www.youtube.com/user/Shyaporn#p/u/40/XLHueWyz4X4
Sorry, only vaguely related.
I really want some Doritos now.
I did take a look at my Mott's this morning, and realized that it may just be the cause of my recent breakout.
FUCKING HFCS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111111111111111111
My applesauce is homemade :smug:
Seriously though, it's not too hard to avoid HFCS as long as you have a reasonable kitchen. The worst thing is bread. That's right, most commercial bread has HFCS in it. Goddamned bread. Solution? Make your own!
Quote from: BADGE OF HONOR on March 26, 2010, 07:50:28 PM
My applesauce is homemade :smug:
Seriously though, it's not too hard to avoid HFCS as long as you have a reasonable kitchen. The worst thing is bread. That's right, most commercial bread has HFCS in it. Goddamned bread. Solution? Make your own!
This. I can largely keep it out of my diet with a little effort. Although I've been wanting sandwiches lately and haven't made bread in months because I haven't replaced my broken stone.
I don't even have the counterspace for a coffee pot or microwave. I'd be damned I try to make bread.
Eh, I just use a cast iron pan, it works on the same principle.
Most of the time I make everything from scratch but there's a pizza in my kitchen right now that I got from the store.
You just inspired me to bake a pizza in a cast iron pan.
AWESOME!
Quote from: Sigmatic on March 26, 2010, 08:28:26 PM
You just inspired me to bake a pizza in a cast iron pan.
That's going to be wet dream-inspiring. Beware.
Quote from: Jerry_Frankster on March 25, 2010, 07:45:03 PM
High Fructose Corn Syrup is good for you!
I saw a commercial several days ago that informed me of this, so it must be true.
Ha, found them:
http://www.youtube.com/user/TrueChristianDOTcom#p/u/4/EEbRxTOyGf0
http://www.youtube.com/user/TrueChristianDOTcom#p/u/3/KVsgXPt564Q
http://www.youtube.com/user/TrueChristianDOTcom#p/u/2/7BJJGzbN3fg
The third one is the one I saw.
This is just... It's... :asplode:
Quote from: Requia ☣ on March 26, 2010, 09:17:17 AM
I have the home address of the guy who runs the website mentioned in that ad. Anybody want it?
Yes. Wouldn't everybody?
Quote from: Requia ☣ on March 26, 2010, 11:12:40 PM
Pace, Stanley
4700 Nantucket Ct.
Flower Mound, TX 75022
United States
Google maps confirms that this is a private residence, complete with private swimming pool. Looks like the guy is a partner at a consulting firm.
Let's start writing letters! Yeah!
I don't think that publicly posting the home address of someone because you don't like their commercials is a good idea. Also, this is Apple Talk, not OMF, which means it's indexed and will show up in Google searches.
Quote from: Calamity Nigel on March 27, 2010, 04:56:32 PM
I don't think that publicly posting the home address of someone because you don't like their commercials is a good idea. Also, this is Apple Talk, not OMF, which means it's indexed and will show up in Google searches.
Agreed, but not actually against the rules. Pending a decision from ECH (he's the one with his name on the joint, after all), I'm going to leave the posts but move the thread.
Can anybody find any research that indicates that HFCS is worse for you than table sugar.
I looked around, and all the legitimate science I could find seemed to indicate that there is no significant difference.
Also, I think the main reason that we use so much HFCS here in America is because it's cheaper due to high sugar tariff and corn subsidies.
Well, I found this... thanks to a link from GLP :oops:
Princeton researchers find that high-fructose corn syrup prompts considerably more weight gain
http://www.princeton.edu/main/news/archive/S26/91/22K07/
Still looking for the actual research papers.
Afaik it's harder for your body to convert fructose into useable energy than other kinds of sugar so it tends to go straight to fat. I have no evidence for this though.
I haven't found any really sound evidence that indicates fructose is metabolized in a way that makes it inherently more harmful than sucrose. I think that the problem with it is that it's a corn byproduct and gets put in EVERYTHING simply because corn is a subsidized crop and our farmers grow way too much of it. So a lot of foods that didn't formerly have sugar in them now do, which means that almost everyone in the US is consuming more sugar than ever, by default. School lunches are absolutely horrendous in that regard, and pretty much any kind of prepared food is now sweetened, which is really just gross. It really bugs me with bread. I can either spend $4/loaf on hippie bread, or I can make my own, because the "regular" cheap whole-wheat breads are all sweetened to the hilt and are just nasty with savory sandwich -makings.
http://www.examiner.com/x-18928-Richmond-Grandparenting-Examiner~y2010m3d26-Princeton-study-results-confirm-dangers-of-high-fructose-corn-syrup-sweetener
QuoteAccording to a recent Princeton University research study, they have determined that all sweeteners are not equal when it comes to weight gain. The results of their study conclude that consumption of high-fructose corn syrup will lead to more weight gain than access to regular table sugar, even when overall caloric intake is the same.
Quote from: Sigmatic on March 27, 2010, 11:03:32 PM
http://www.examiner.com/x-18928-Richmond-Grandparenting-Examiner~y2010m3d26-Princeton-study-results-confirm-dangers-of-high-fructose-corn-syrup-sweetener
QuoteAccording to a recent Princeton University research study, they have determined that all sweeteners are not equal when it comes to weight gain. The results of their study conclude that consumption of high-fructose corn syrup will lead to more weight gain than access to regular table sugar, even when overall caloric intake is the same.
I saw that, but I also saw that the study was heavily criticized, by natural-foods advocates, as being so severely flawed that they could not use it to support their own arguments.
Oh, lame. Shame on me for assuming Princeton wasn't complete rubbish.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/booster_shots/2010/03/high-fructose-corn-syrup-hfcs-sugar-princeton-study.html
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/booster_shots/2010/03/hfcs-high-fructose-corn-syrup-sugar-princeton-study.html
http://www.foodpolitics.com/2010/03/hfcs-makes-rats-fat/
http://www.sparkpeople.com/resource/nutrition_articles.asp?id=486
Now, I'm not saying that I'm sold on HFCS being no worse for you than refined table sugar, just that I haven't found any really sound evidence. I wish there was, simply so that it would stop being put in everyfuckingthing because it's gross. At the same time, I suspect that the increase in the amount of sugar and processed foods we consume, in general, is a lot more responsible for American obesity than just the replacement of sugar with HFCS in many foods.
Quote from: Sigmatic on March 27, 2010, 11:38:18 PM
Oh, lame. Shame on me for assuming Princeton wasn't complete rubbish.
You'd like to hope they wouldn't release a study that was so poorly conducted, considering their reputation. Or, more to the point, that their researchers would be educated to conduct their studies more rigorously.
It's sad, but a lot of research is not as rigorous as it could be.
Just read this
http://www.artofdrink.com/2008/10/hfcs-research.php
And it cites a fair number of research articles that challenge a lot of my previous prejudices about HFCS.
I still don't like HFCS, I like the taste of "real" sugar more.
Yeah, there's something offputting about the taste of HFCS vs. sucrose to me. I feel like sucrose has a fuller-bodied, less cloying flavor. I love the Mexican coke from the taqueria up the street so much more than American coke!
Out of nowhere like an hour ago I went to the corner mart and grabbed a coke. I never do this. Drank it, and yeah. My mouth feels like I've been spraying primer in a broom closet with no mask on.
Quote from: Calamity Nigel on March 28, 2010, 12:10:24 AM
Yeah, there's something offputting about the taste of HFCS vs. sucrose to me. I feel like sucrose has a fuller-bodied, less cloying flavor. I love the Mexican coke from the taqueria up the street so much more than American coke!
The Mexican cokes are much much better tasting than the American ones.
These are pretty much the only sodas I still drink.
you have to factor that some of that is glass vs metal
I never really taste metal. Dunno why.
I usually only buy Coke in glass bottles. Still tastes different from the Mexican coke.
Mexican soda in general doesn't put standards on how much caffeine and sugar you can put in, I think that's what I heard once. Or it has more of both in it. Maybe.
Quote from: Professor Freeky on March 28, 2010, 07:40:28 PM
Mexican soda in general doesn't put standards on how much caffeine and sugar you can put in, I think that's what I heard once. Or it has more of both in it. Maybe.
Coca-Cola has exacting standards for their recipes, and there are nutrition labels on the Mexicon coke that say exactly how much sugar and caffiene are in it. The difference is that Mexico doesn't subsidize corn so regular sugar is cheaper, and that's what goes into their sodas.
Ahhhh.
They've got the throwback sodas now, which have real actual honest-to-goodness refined sugar.
I tried Mountain Dew Throwback and didn't like it as much as the new stuff.
I'm pretty sure Mountain Dew wasn't even around when they still used sugar in soda, but I never drank Mountain Dew and I don't even drink soda these days so I wouldn't really know.
Quote from: Sigmatic on March 27, 2010, 11:55:59 PM
It's sad, but a lot of research is not as rigorous as it could be.
Just read this
http://www.artofdrink.com/2008/10/hfcs-research.php
And it cites a fair number of research articles that challenge a lot of my previous prejudices about HFCS.
I still don't like HFCS, I like the taste of "real" sugar more.
The way I see it, most things by themselves aren't that bad in moderation but when it's in fucking EVERYTHING, it starts to pose a health hazard regardless of what it is. I'd bet you $5,000 you that if you consume too much HFCS, it can't be good for you. You combine that with the sedentary lifestyle most of us have and that can't end well.
I'm with you there, given certain exceptions like Polonium 210, meth, and deadly anal zucchini. It seems like HFCS isn't really a good thing, but mainly because its in literally everything.
I can't help but laugh at those commercials "what that it's made from corn? has the same calories as sugar and is fine in moderation?"
Please. There is no moderation when it's in your bread, your canned tomatoes and soups, your applesauce, your hummus, all your soft drinks and snacky things everything everywhere.
I cut out HFCS last year and when it's in something I can definitely taste it. It's gross. I actually prefer the sweetener that they say gives you cancer to the taste of that stuff.
Mr Squid was drinking a sugar free something at work the other day and a co-worker walked by and said "that stuff is bad for you ya know" and he looked at the rock star she had in her hand and said "yeah well that'll give you diabetes and make you fat".
Studies have shown that your body gets confused when trying to digest HFCS and instead of creating subcutaneous fat like regular sugar, it distributes the fat around your organs. It also inhibits the receptors in your stomach that tell you you're full which is why when you've had enough water your body says "I'm full" and you stop drinking it, but you can just keep drinking and drinking and drinking soda.
Sorry if this was all said already, I kinda just skimmed through here.
I really hate HFCS and that they market it as a preservative.
It has no business in tomato paste or hummus.
I'd like to see it go away.
I've been avoiding HFCS too and have found that exercise isn't as burdensome, it's easier to concentrate and I've been eating better food (mostly home-cooked). I don't know how much of this is a placebo effect, but if I feel better and am performing better I guess it doesn't really matter as far as practicality is concerned.
I work around thousands of gallons of HFCS everyday. AM I GOING TO DIE??? :x
Quote from: Calamity Nigel on March 27, 2010, 04:56:32 PM
I don't think that publicly posting the home address of someone because you don't like their commercials is a good idea. Also, this is Apple Talk, not OMF, which means it's indexed and will show up in Google searches.
Point, removed.
As for the problem, HFCS (or honey, same problem) fucks with chemicals that regulate hunger. It really isn't bad for you in moderation, but eating it makes it much much harder to eat in moderation.
Quote from: Calamity Nigel on March 27, 2010, 11:46:05 PM
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/booster_shots/2010/03/high-fructose-corn-syrup-hfcs-sugar-princeton-study.html
Ok, lets go through some of these criticisms...
Quote from: LA TimesNor is it clear why the effect would only be seen in rats that consumed HFCS for 12 hours a day but not those who were able to drink it 24 hours a day when both groups wound up drinking approximately the same amount overall.
Not true actually,
[quote = TFA]as our previous publications show limited (12 h) access to sucrose precipitates binge-eating
behavior (Avena et al., 2006).[/quote]
Quote from: LA Times
Complicating things further, the researchers cite a related study (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19359658) of female rats that found no difference in weight gain between animals that consumed HFCS or sugar over an eight-week period.
Ok, to start with, citing the people who came to opposite conclusion s as you is good practice, because it is vital to understand *why* they came to different conclusions. However, this specific claim is
a complete lie From the abstract of the study LA Times links to in the above quote:
Quote from: Light et all, 2009Of the different caloric sweeteners, only rats drinking HFCS-55 had greater (P < 0.05) final body weights and fat mass compared to the rats drinking ddH2O or glucose solution.
Quote from: LA TimesIn another phase of the Princeton study, the researchers found that rats allowed to drink the HFCS solution gained more weight over six months than rats with no access to a sweetened beverage. The difference was dramatic: rats with 24-hour access to HFCS gained 27% more weight than the rats stuck with chow only. But the researchers didn't include a third group of rats with access to sugar, so it's impossible to say whether HFCS was worse than regular sugar.
(Why didn't they test the long-term effects of sugar? The researchers said it wasn't necessary because sugar consumption didn't affect body weight in their first experiment. True, but neither did HFCS when made available for 24 hours a day, and they did test that.)
This one is true, the male half of the second experiment does not address the question of whether or not HFCS is worse than regular sugar, rather it addresses separate issues not relevant to the discussion at hand. Only the first experiment need be considered for our purposes, further criticism of the male half of experiment two will be ignored as the entire experiment is irrelevant.
As for the female half... well, they're making the wrong criticisms there, there's no reason to be surprised that female's responded differently than males. I'm gonna not pick LA times apart in the interest of not quoting the entire article and level my own criticisms against the Princeton article.
The female rats showed no significant difference in the 12 hour access groups for sucrose and HFCS. From this is seems reasonable to conclude that the binge eating effect does not occur in female rats.
Secondly, as the 24 hour group did not have a sucrose counterpart, that part of the experiment is irrelevant, it is possible that different results will occur in a 24 hour access group for both HFCS and sucrose. This would be consistent with the study linked in an above LA Times quote.
Conclusions
It is highly probable that intermittent access to HFCS causes male rats to gain weight in the short term. Depending on the eating habits of human men, HFCS could have the same effect.
There is no evidence in this study to indicate that HFCS is dangerous to women. However other studies have shown an increase in weight gain from HFCS-55 in female rats. Again in human women, any danger is likely dependent on eating habits.
I have no idea how HFCS effects children.
Quote from: Calamity Nigel on March 28, 2010, 12:10:24 AM
Yeah, there's something offputting about the taste of HFCS vs. sucrose to me. I feel like sucrose has a fuller-bodied, less cloying flavor. I love the Mexican coke from the taqueria up the street so much more than American coke!
THIS. For some reason, it has a "cleaner" taste--which sounds really off-putting for a soft-drink, I agree, but I can't describe it any better than that. I really can't STAND sugared drinks anymore, they set my teeth on edge, but the Mexican coke is really REALLY drinkable.
Quote from: Requia ☣ on March 29, 2010, 09:55:01 AM
[snip]
I have no idea how HFCS effects children.
Early onset of 1) obesity and 2) Type II Diabetes. We have chapter-verse of it here at the Pediatrician's House.
This is why I only drink beer and only eat steak.
LMNO
-scurvy can be fun!
I don't have a fucking clue what is in my soda, but I know Coca-Cola tastes like refined sugar avec caffeine, whereas most other brands (esp. store brands) actually taste nice.
The Mexican Coke is just...softer? But fizzy enough, it's just not like battery acid on your teeth.
Quote from: BADGE OF HONOR on March 26, 2010, 07:50:28 PM
My applesauce is homemade :smug:
Seriously though, it's not too hard to avoid HFCS as long as you have a reasonable kitchen. The worst thing is bread. That's right, most commercial bread has HFCS in it. Goddamned bread. Solution? Make your own!
Orowheat has no corn syrup at all, and they make a big deal about it on their packaging. It's the kind I buy when I can't get to Trader Blow's to get their fru-fru organic, 5 nuts for your butt kind. We're big on stuffing as much fiber in the kids' cereal and bread as we can around these parts, so I try to find the heaviest fucking bread I can in the store and buy that. If my kids ain't picking grains outta their teefs, they ain't eatin' it.
Italian Soda:
1 glass sparkling water.
splash of syrup (1-2oz) to taste.
Cream if desired, don't use cream with citrus syrups & such.
Stir. Drink.
None of the good syrup brands (Torani, Monin, etc) use HFCS. Prepackaged sodas don't have nearly as good a selection of flavours.
This thread is so...
*sunglasses*
...corny.
YEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!
:putin: