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QuoteVandals smashed doors and windows at five Democratic offices around the country in the days surrounding the landmark House health care vote Sunday night, and a right-wing blogger in Alabama is taking credit for starting a so-called "window war."
Here are the reports we've seen from around the country on the mini-epidemic of brick-throwing:
Early on the morning of March 19, someone threw a brick through the window of Rep. Louise Slaughter's office in Niagara Falls, New York, doing $350 of damage, the Buffalo News reported. Slaughter (D-NY) briefly attracted the ire of conservatives over the "Slaughter Solution," a procedural maneuver that was considered (but, ultimately, not used) to pass health reform.
Also in Slaughter's district, a brick was thrown through the glass doors of the Monroe County Democratic Committee office in Rochester, NY, over the weekend, the Democrat and Chronicle reported. A note attached to the brick bore the Barry Goldwater quote, "Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice," a spokesman for the committee told the newspaper.
In the early hours of the morning on Monday just after the House health care vote, someone smashed the glass front door of the Tucson office of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-AZ), the Arizona Daily Star reported. "The perpetrator likely had to hop the gated fence to get access to the door, since it's not viewable from the parking lot," the paper reported.
On Friday night or Saturday morning, a brick bearing unspecified "anti-Obama and anti-health care messages" was thrown through a floor-to-ceiling window at the Sedgwick County Democratic Party headquarters in Wichita, Kansas, CNN and the Kansas City Start reported.
After the passage of the bill Sunday night, a "fist-sized" rock was thrown at a window at the Hamilton County Democratic Party in Cincinnati, in the district of Rep. Steve Driehaus (D-OH), the Enquirer reports.
Pinson, Alabama-based blogger Mike Vanderboegh has been tracking the breaking of windows at Dem offices after issuing a call Friday: "To all modern Sons of Liberty: THIS is your time. Break their windows. Break them NOW."
It's far from clear whether Vanderboegh's call to arms has anything to do with the incidents around the country.
The Kansas City Star identifies Vanderboegh as a former leader of the Alabama Constitutional Militia.
His blog, Sipsey Street Irregulars, identifies with the so-called "Three Percenter" doctrine: "During the American Revolution, the active forces in the field against the King's tyranny never amounted to more than 3% of the colonists."
The March 19 post says:
They will send the Internal Revenue Service and other federal police to do this in thousands of small Wacos, if that is what it takes to force us to submit. This arrogant elite pretends that this oppression is for our own good, while everyone else understands that this is about their selfish, insatiable appetite for control over our liberty, our money, our property and our lives.
* (This post has been updated to include the Cincinnati incident.)*
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QuoteSmashed windows. Threats of violence. A slashed gas line. Reports of vandalism and threats against Democrats have been stacking up over the past few days.
Majority Leader Steny Hoyer today estimated that 10 members had been threatened over the health care vote.
So just how bad is it out there?
We decided to make a map of all the instances of vandalism and serious threats against Democrats. Check it out below -- and click the markers for details on each incident. (ed.note: Be sure to zoom in on Ohio.)
Below the map, we round up some other late developments on the threats against Dems.
View Vandalism Surrounding Passage of Health Reform in a larger map
Rep. Steve Driehaus (D-OH), who is on the map above, today said he confronted Minority Leader John Boehner over an interview in which Boehner said Driehaus would be a "dead man" if he voted for the bill. "I think it's really important for folks around here, especially leader Boehner, to understand that his words have consequences," Driehaus said.
Rep. Louise Slaughter (D-NY), on the map for an attack on her district office, released a statement pointing the finger at the GOP leadership: "It's more disturbing to me that Republican leadership has not condemned these attacks and instead appears to be fanning the flames with coded rhetoric." Slaughter also said she got a voice mail "referencing snipers."
Sarah Palin posted on Facebook a map of her own -- showing cross-hair graphics over the districts of vulnerable Democrats who backed the health reform legislation. Earlier she tweeted "Commonsense Conservatives & lovers of America: 'Don't Retreat, Instead - RELOAD!' Pls see my Facebook page."
Rep. Chris Van Hollen (D-MD), chair of the DCCC, called for "some adult supervision within the Republican party" in an interview on MSNBC Wednesday. "The Republican leadership, instead of saying to its supporters around the country, 'calm down' ... they are pouring more and more gasoline on flames. And that is irresponsible," he said.
On CNN last night, RNC chief Michael Steele said of Nancy Pelosi: "This November, they're gonna pay. So let's start getting Nancy ready for the firing line this November."
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QuoteIn a blog post yesterday on the climate of threats surrounding health care reform, an editor and radio host employed by the Pajamas Media conservative blog outlet called for a return to the "fine tradition" of tar and feathering, and potentially even more extreme acts of violence.
In the post, titled "Put the Fear of Something Into Them," Pajamas' Denver Editor Stephen Green riffed on the recent threats and attacks on Democrats and concluded:
"If this abominable, unconstitutional, usurperous, injurious, unsustainable and ruinous new health care law has a mere ten legislatures afraid for their safety, then this country might already be too far gone to save itself."
Then, in a comments section exchange with a reader, Green, who calls himself "Vodkapundit," took it further.
"This country has a fine tradition of tarring & feathering, and one I've come to the reluctant conclusion needs to come back," he wrote in response to a reader named Geekesque. "If the US Government considers that terrorism, consider the source."
Asked by another reader how far Green's "condoning of violence against us 'Nazi' liberals" goes, Green responded:
"That depends entirely on how much violence is done to our liberties by your idiotic policies. Right now, tar & feathers still seem extreme. Tomorrow? It's in your hands."
According to his Pajamas Media bio, Green hosts the PJM Political show for XM Satellite Radio and also hosts a video series for the company. "He pioneered 'drunkblogging,' which he calls 'the only sober response to modern politics,' according to his bio.
Green's comments yesterday do not come in a vacuum. Democratic offices around the country have been vandalized and threats have been made against multiple members of Congress.
We've reached out to Green but haven't heard back.
Asked for comment about Green's statements, a spokesman for Pajamas Media sent along this post from CEO Roger Simon. It reads in part, "Violence is to be condemned, but so is the desecration of a great democracy."
But the Tea Partiers and their supporters aren't Brownshirts or anything. Oh no. That's Obama's government, the fascists.
Incidentally, I called this last summer. I'll even find the post if I had to. I said they were putting together a machine, and that machine is now out there, inciting and carrying out acts of violence designed to intimidate and harm those who disagree with them.
I don't know whether to :facepalm: or :eek: or :horrormirth: .
You do seem to have a decent track record with predicting this sort of thing. I think.
This is only going to get worse.
They're resort to personal violence against politicians, and when the mob is countered with tear gas, arrests and the National Guard, then it will be the "government oppressing them".
This could possibly turn into another Civil War.
I know that this is very bad, but I can't stop laughing.
This is just so damned weird. What the hell do they think they'll accomplish?
Quote from: BADGE OF HONOR on March 25, 2010, 06:40:21 PM
This is just so damned weird. What the hell do they think they'll accomplish?
La Resistance!
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Quote from: BADGE OF HONOR on March 25, 2010, 06:40:21 PM
This is just so damned weird. What the hell do they think they'll accomplish?
WOLVERINES! (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0087985/)
Quote from: Cain on March 25, 2010, 06:42:41 PM
Quote from: BADGE OF HONOR on March 25, 2010, 06:40:21 PM
This is just so damned weird. What the hell do they think they'll accomplish?
WOLVERINES! (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0087985/)
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The problem with civil war is that our present day military is far more conditioned and indoctrinated than militaries of old, and they are far better equipped to suppress huge numbers of civilians than any force in history. So any civilian war that does occur will be much more "under the table" than probably anything seen to date.
Quote from: Cain on March 25, 2010, 06:42:41 PM
Quote from: BADGE OF HONOR on March 25, 2010, 06:40:21 PM
This is just so damned weird. What the hell do they think they'll accomplish?
WOLVERINES! (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0087985/)
"WE'RE BEING INVADED BY THE RUSKIES! CAN'T YOU TELL? THEY'RE SPEAKING SPANISH! CUZ ALL FOREIGNERS SPEAK SPANISH!"
Now it's a Tea Party!
Quote from: Professor Freeky on March 25, 2010, 06:45:38 PM
Quote from: Cain on March 25, 2010, 06:42:41 PM
Quote from: BADGE OF HONOR on March 25, 2010, 06:40:21 PM
This is just so damned weird. What the hell do they think they'll accomplish?
WOLVERINES! (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0087985/)
"WE'RE BEING INVADED BY THE RUSKIES! CAN'T YOU TELL? THEY'RE SPEAKING SPANISH! CUZ ALL FOREIGNERS SPEAK SPANISH!"
That's because Mexico was behind it all along. :(
I knew I couldn't trust the Chalupas!
But seriously though, what we have on our hands is a fast-growing political party that is fanatical enough to get totally nuts when people oppose it.
How do we stop them from burning the Reichstag, so to speak?
Quote from: Sigmatic on March 25, 2010, 06:59:25 PM
But seriously though, what we have on our hands is a fast-growing political party that is fanatical enough to get totally nuts when people oppose it.
How do we stop them from burning the Reichstag, so to speak?
I don't think it can be stopped. Not unless people with official looking papers came along and had them line up against a wall.
It feels, to me, like we've hit a critical mass stage, so to speak.
Jesus, what the hell?
Breaking windows because of restrictions on being denied medical insurance? WTF is wrong with these people.
Well, I fortunately live in a state where they really have no presence. If it was easy to break off, I'd be living in the Socialist States of New England.
Quote from: Calamity Nigel on March 25, 2010, 07:05:44 PM
Jesus, what the hell?
Breaking windows because of restrictions on being denied medical insurance? WTF is wrong with these people.
The media most likely. They have no idea what the HCR is really about. They only hear Glenn, Rush, and Sarah's POV, and draw their own conclusion.
Chances are, these are the dregs of society, absolute Middle American Gun-toting White Trash who know nothing about how the system works.
Quote from: Sigmatic on March 25, 2010, 06:44:55 PM
The problem with civil war is that our present day military is far more conditioned and indoctrinated than militaries of old, and they are far better equipped to suppress huge numbers of civilians than any force in history. So any civilian war that does occur will be much more "under the table" than probably anything seen to date.
Not hardly.
It used to be like this:
(http://www.uiowa.edu/~policult/assets/VietNam/KentState.jpg)
Now it's like this:
(http://i.imgur.com/kodxp.jpg)
Much more difficult to brush the second one under the table.
Quote from: Calamity Nigel on March 25, 2010, 07:05:44 PM
Jesus, what the hell?
Breaking windows because of restrictions on being denied medical insurance? WTF is wrong with these people.
They're not sane. It is a mistake to act as if they inhabit your reality.
Quote from: Professor Freeky on March 25, 2010, 07:04:24 PM
Quote from: Sigmatic on March 25, 2010, 06:59:25 PM
But seriously though, what we have on our hands is a fast-growing political party that is fanatical enough to get totally nuts when people oppose it.
How do we stop them from burning the Reichstag, so to speak?
I don't think it can be stopped. Not unless people with official looking papers came along and had them line up against a wall.
It feels, to me, like we've hit a critical mass stage, so to speak.
Aren't you supposed to be one of the optimists?
The
sack-guzzlers teabaggers must be shown their folly. Nobody with the authority to stop them has the damage to go toe-to-toe with them, so I think that we are the natural opposition for this group.
Quote from: Sigmatic on March 25, 2010, 07:12:12 PM
Quote from: Professor Freeky on March 25, 2010, 07:04:24 PM
Quote from: Sigmatic on March 25, 2010, 06:59:25 PM
But seriously though, what we have on our hands is a fast-growing political party that is fanatical enough to get totally nuts when people oppose it.
How do we stop them from burning the Reichstag, so to speak?
I don't think it can be stopped. Not unless people with official looking papers came along and had them line up against a wall.
It feels, to me, like we've hit a critical mass stage, so to speak.
Aren't you supposed to be one of the optimists?
The sack-guzzlers teabaggers must be shown their folly. Nobody with the authority to stop them has the damage to go toe-to-toe with them, so I think that we are the natural opposition for this group.
I probably would be, but this city has a tendency to strip one of their fluffy pink mind-clouds.
I disagree on the bolded point. I think the teabaggers are a short hop away from doing something that will get the gov't's attention. In that case, they would need very little to completely annihalate these people. And then it would be even less trouble to declare martial law, and everyone who has their own opinion is subversive and a terrorist, and it'll become a bloodbath, eventually.
At least, that's how I see it could happen. I realize though that I have no idea how these sorts of things really work, and I could be totally off base. If so, I'd like to know what could very possibly happen from people who know more than me.
I read this just earlier today, and thought I should repost it: http://www.tinyrevolution.com/mt/archives/003234.html
QuoteSomeone in the progressive world needs to find a relative of someone killed in the Oklahoma City bombing who understands that was the result of nineties right-wing incitement, and get that relative on TV talking about how we're on the same path now. Things are getting fairly alarming, and we should be using any means we have to shame the right into tamping down the crazy. We might not succeed, but it's irresponsible not to try.
If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear it. Added bonus: preventing another Oklahoma City keeps Democrats from using the opportunity to extinguish our few remaining civil liberties.
These are clearly Terrorists That Hate Our Freedom.
http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2010/03/sorry-lamestream-media-the-coffin-on-carnahans-lawn-was-for-a-prayer-vigel-not-for-threats/
Because it would be unfair not to give the other side a chance to spin things.
Although seriously, a coffin? Are you retarded?
"On Sunday night several members of the St. Louis Tea Party Coalition held a prayer vigil at Russ Carnahan's office for the millions of babies that will be slaughtered under the democrat's pro-abortion health care bill."
:lulz:
WE WILL MARCH ON A ROAD OF BABIES!
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Quote from: Cain on March 25, 2010, 07:27:12 PM
I read this just earlier today, and thought I should repost it: http://www.tinyrevolution.com/mt/archives/003234.html
QuoteSomeone in the progressive world needs to find a relative of someone killed in the Oklahoma City bombing who understands that was the result of nineties right-wing incitement, and get that relative on TV talking about how we're on the same path now. Things are getting fairly alarming, and we should be using any means we have to shame the right into tamping down the crazy. We might not succeed, but it's irresponsible not to try.
If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear it. Added bonus: preventing another Oklahoma City keeps Democrats from using the opportunity to extinguish our few remaining civil liberties.
If that doesn't happen, the other option is waiting for them to commit some sort of atrocity (like another OK bombing) that will shock 90% of the teabaggers back towards moderation.
Or spark a bloody revolt of politically ignorant morons who would ultimately be killed/imprisoned.
At least the Nazis, while functionally retarded on almost every level, believed in evolution.
While I think a mass revolt would be interesting, I doubt it will occur. Didn't the health care bill omit funding for abortions at the last minute? These people are basically protesting a non-real issue.
They don't care, they just want to protest. They've spent the last year or more working themselves up into a violent froth of rage-fear, no way in hell they're going to back down now.
Reminds me of this:
"Anger is all the rage"
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/23/AR2007032301589.html
Yeah, at this stage, facts don't really matter. Wait, what am I saying? Facts have never mattered to the Teabaggers.
I suspect this violence will eventually fizzle out in a week or two, but this has been a long time in the coming. Depending on how Dem activists, law enforcement agencies etc react, as well as how many actual crazies are out there, things could get a fair bit worse.
New Palin Quote on this issue: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/20100325/ts_ynews/ynews_ts1332 (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/20100325/ts_ynews/ynews_ts1332)
QuoteThe FBI is currently investigating threats made against at least 10 members of Congress, The Associated Press reported. Windows were shattered at four Democratic offices in New York, Arizona and Kansas. In Virginia, someone cut a propane line at a house believed to be owned by Rep. Tom Perriello (it was actually his brother's residence). Angry and obscenity-laden comments have flooded into the offices of lawmakers since the passage of the health care reform bill. Some callers have even made death threats against the lawmakers and their children. While House Republican leader John Boehner said the "violence and threats are unacceptable," Sarah Palin's Twitter page encouraged supporters: "Don't retreat, instead - reload!"
It all makes sense now.
Isn't it a crime to incite violence?
She was "only joking" I'm sure.
Besides, I'm pretty sure torture is illegal, yet...
JUST BECAUSE IT'S ILLEGAL DON'T MEAN YOU SHOULDN'T BE PROUD OF IT, BOY.
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:robber baron:
Waiting for the Oklahoma Repeat.
Hey, it's not like this reactionary society is going to change until its too late. I predict sometime in the next 2 years.
I just posted this on MW
QuoteI think PB and everyone else who doesn't agree with the Teabaggers actions ITT severely underestimates the threat America faces.
This tyrannical, monstrous, fascist-inspired government of Barack HUSSEIN Obama has gone too far. Instead of passing a law via Presidential signing orders, like the Constitution says he should, he used a controversial and possibly anti-freedom parliamentary move, called "voting the bill into law". And we all know what that means. Namely, Andrew Sullivan and Michael Moore are going to head up a death panel and execute Trig Palin live on MSNBC, while homosexual liberals masturbate to it and smoke government mandated pot.
Furthermore, the health care "reform" is a thing of horror, an alien thing. It's a doomsday machine. It's signalling to the aliens and poisoning your thoughts. It's the death of love and the end of history and the shriveling of hope and the tears of little children. It is a moral imperative that it be resisted through acts of civil disobedience, like beating up long haired hippies and throwing bricks through windows.
One day, you lieberals will thank the brave teabaggers for their valiant opposition to the Maoist government of Barry Soetoro
And one person wasn't sure if I was being serious or not, and the resident Birther quoted me approvingly.
:x
You're joking. Get out. You're joking. :|
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What the FUCK.
Sarah Palin is the fucking antichrist.
Quote from: Cain on March 25, 2010, 11:25:20 PM
I just posted this on MW
QuoteI think PB and everyone else who doesn't agree with the Teabaggers actions ITT severely underestimates the threat America faces.
This tyrannical, monstrous, fascist-inspired government of Barack HUSSEIN Obama has gone too far. Instead of passing a law via Presidential signing orders, like the Constitution says he should, he used a controversial and possibly anti-freedom parliamentary move, called "voting the bill into law". And we all know what that means. Namely, Andrew Sullivan and Michael Moore are going to head up a death panel and execute Trig Palin live on MSNBC, while homosexual liberals masturbate to it and smoke government mandated pot.
Furthermore, the health care "reform" is a thing of horror, an alien thing. It's a doomsday machine. It's signalling to the aliens and poisoning your thoughts. It's the death of love and the end of history and the shriveling of hope and the tears of little children. It is a moral imperative that it be resisted through acts of civil disobedience, like beating up long haired hippies and throwing bricks through windows.
One day, you lieberals will thank the brave teabaggers for their valiant opposition to the Maoist government of Barry Soetoro
And one person wasn't sure if I was being serious or not, and the resident Birther quoted me approvingly.
:x
That's fucking unreal. I hate those people. How... just how. :horrormirth:
The "execute Trig Palin live on MSNBC" part. :lulz: HOW did that not tip them off? HOW???
Quote from: Cain on March 25, 2010, 11:25:20 PM
I just posted this on MW
QuoteI think PB and everyone else who doesn't agree with the Teabaggers actions ITT severely underestimates the threat America faces.
This tyrannical, monstrous, fascist-inspired government of Barack HUSSEIN Obama has gone too far. Instead of passing a law via Presidential signing orders, like the Constitution says he should, he used a controversial and possibly anti-freedom parliamentary move, called "voting the bill into law". And we all know what that means. Namely, Andrew Sullivan and Michael Moore are going to head up a death panel and execute Trig Palin live on MSNBC, while homosexual liberals masturbate to it and smoke government mandated pot.
Furthermore, the health care "reform" is a thing of horror, an alien thing. It's a doomsday machine. It's signalling to the aliens and poisoning your thoughts. It's the death of love and the end of history and the shriveling of hope and the tears of little children. It is a moral imperative that it be resisted through acts of civil disobedience, like beating up long haired hippies and throwing bricks through windows.
One day, you lieberals will thank the brave teabaggers for their valiant opposition to the Maoist government of Barry Soetoro
And one person wasn't sure if I was being serious or not, and the resident Birther quoted me approvingly.
:x
Poe's Law holds for political debates too. It is almost impossible to parody the Teabaggers at this point.
Also, imagine what will happen if the Democrats go through with immigration reform like they are hinting at. You've got the standard paranoid conspiracy theories with a fuck-ton of racism and xenophobia dumped on top. This place would be a powderkeg just in time for summer.
:horrormirth: :nuke: :zombie:
Awwww shit.
Quote from: Sigmatic on March 25, 2010, 08:11:37 PM
Didn't the health care bill omit funding for abortions at the last minute?
It's even funnier than that.
Stupak was all pissed at the language in the bill regarding how the insurance exchange would handle abortion coverage, and wanted his own language, instead.
At the end of the day, Pelosi strongarmed him into accepting an "executive order" in which the president... repeated the original language in the bill.
So, the whole Stupak thing was a dud, from the get-go.
Quote from: Calamity Nigel on March 25, 2010, 07:05:44 PM
Jesus, what the hell?
Breaking windows because of restrictions on being denied medical insurance? WTF is wrong with these people.
They got Gabrielle Giffords' window here in Tucson yesterday.
I can't wait for April 14th.
What happens on April 14th? Google suggests the Annual meeting of the American Society of Cataract and Refractive Surgery, but I suspect even the Teabaggers are not so opposed to that (since most of them don't know what it means).
Last day to file taxes for the 2009 year.
Oh. If I worked for the IRS, I might consider taking a holiday on that day. One in a foreign country.
Massive teabagger rally on that day.
I really don't get it... I had to pay $1000 roughly in taxes this year... most of the Teabaggers I know got refunds last year, wtf are they pissed about?
SOCIALIZMS!
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Probably because no taxes were collected under Bush...ever, and they're now pissed they have to go back to paying them.
Quote from: Ratatosk on March 26, 2010, 03:56:35 PM
I really don't get it... I had to pay $1000 roughly in taxes this year... most of the Teabaggers I know got refunds last year, wtf are they pissed about?
Warrantless wiretapping: Okay.
Torture: Okay.
Indefinite detention: Okay.
Your boss may have to pay additional taxes: OMFG KILL THEM KILL THEM ALLLLLLLLLL
That MW thread is fun, by the way. Well, fun for me, at least. I've already stated that Charles Krauthammer is a Dr Strangelove impersonator and that Chuck Norris is a highly rated political writer.
Debating is more fun this way, where I don't actually make direct points, and instead big up the people making them, by telling obvious and over the top lies.
Impeccable technique.
Flawless Victory
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 26, 2010, 02:07:42 PM
Quote from: Calamity Nigel on March 25, 2010, 07:05:44 PM
Jesus, what the hell?
Breaking windows because of restrictions on being denied medical insurance? WTF is wrong with these people.
They got Gabrielle Giffords' window here in Tucson yesterday.
I can't wait for April 14th.
I can't either.
Me, I'll be getting my refund like a good little socialist. :lulz:
"Krauthammer" is apparently his real name :lulz:
reminds me of that HALT! HAMMERZEIT hitler pic :)
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 26, 2010, 04:17:34 PM
Quote from: Ratatosk on March 26, 2010, 03:56:35 PM
I really don't get it... I had to pay $1000 roughly in taxes this year... most of the Teabaggers I know got refunds last year, wtf are they pissed about?
Warrantless wiretapping: Okay.
Torture: Okay.
Indefinite detention: Okay.
Your boss may have to pay additional taxes: OMFG KILL THEM KILL THEM ALLLLLLLLLL
Precisely :(
I have philosophical issues with government, but I don't begrudge them the funding that is obviously necessary (just wish they let me volunteer it rather than demand it).
However, our government's positions on war, torture, wiretaapping, arresting Americans and holding them without charge... that shit concerns me far more than some cash. Totally fucking insane.
And we all know what that means. Namely, Andrew Sullivan and Michael Moore are going to head up a death panel and execute Trig Palin live on MSNBC, while homosexual liberals masturbate to it and smoke government mandated pot.
Fantastic - it's like someone chanelling William Burroughs.
http://www.lc.org/index.cfm?PID=14100&PRID=919
QuoteMathew D. Staver, Founder of Liberty Counsel and Dean of Liberty University School of Law, said: "What a difference 235 years makes in American history. The threat to life and liberty has come full circle. Like then, the American people love life and liberty and hate arbitrary abuse of power. Then, like now, powerful leaders stirred up the people to realize they must be vigilant to defend their freedom. There has not been a day in the presidency of Barack Obama in which the people have been free of strife and discord. The Declaration of Independence says that the people are willing to suffer many abuses, but there comes a time when it is their right – it is their duty – to push back. That time is now. The people must channel their anger through nonviolent means to change the leadership and the direction of America."
:lulz: I know that they put the "nonviolent" stuff in there for plausible deniability but it still funny for them to invoke Patrick Henry and then tell people to not do anything rash.
They're just covering their asses. Of course they want violence and upheaval.
It doesn't say "push back":
"it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security"
Ergo, the founders are stating that when necessary, the old government should be removed and a new one instituted... this is not about voting, or protest. It is the justification for War.
Of course, IMO, we just let the fuckers seceded if they want to. I'm pretty sure we'd be fine without the States that would pay heed to Teabagging.
149 years too late for that idea...
I think it would be fun to have a new nation in North America. Let them go, and see what happens!
Quote from: Iptuous on March 26, 2010, 07:53:57 PM
149 years too late for that idea...
Just because Lincoln screwed the pooch doesn't mean we're stuck with his bad decisions.
I see no reason to hold States against their will. If the People don't support the government then they have a right to form their own.
And then we can laugh as they provide a sterling example of FAIL... then fine the fuckers when they want back in.
It's simple really.... States have one year to discuss secession. At the end of that year there is a vote. IF more that 60% of the State wish to leave, then the State presents articles of secession to the Federal Government. Once presented, the Federal government removes all federal aid, all federal programs, all federal equipment (including that lovely equipment from the National Guard), all US Bases... everything.
Then they can be free to go Galt all over themselves. :lulz:
Quote from: LMNO on March 26, 2010, 07:54:27 PM
I think it would be fun to have a new nation in North America. Let them go, and see what happens!
It would be cool, like having a pet hamster. A pet hamster that thinks you're a fascist tyrant.
Quote from: Ratatosk on March 26, 2010, 07:50:03 PM
It doesn't say "push back":
"it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security"
Ergo, the founders are stating that when necessary, the old government should be removed and a new one instituted... this is not about voting, or protest. It is the justification for War.
Of course, IMO, we just let the fuckers seceded if they want to. I'm pretty sure we'd be fine without the States that would pay heed to Teabagging.
Just think of the people lucky enough to live in their system, given their collection of values. :lulz:
Quote from: Iason Ouabache on March 26, 2010, 07:28:58 PM
http://www.lc.org/index.cfm?PID=14100&PRID=919
QuoteMathew D. Staver, Founder of Liberty Counsel and Dean of Liberty University School of Law, said: "What a difference 235 years makes in American history. The threat to life and liberty has come full circle. Like then, the American people love life and liberty and hate arbitrary abuse of power. Then, like now, powerful leaders stirred up the people to realize they must be vigilant to defend their freedom. There has not been a day in the presidency of Barack Obama in which the people have been free of strife and discord. The Declaration of Independence says that the people are willing to suffer many abuses, but there comes a time when it is their right – it is their duty – to push back. That time is now. The people must channel their anger through nonviolent means to change the leadership and the direction of America."
:lulz: I know that they put the "nonviolent" stuff in there for plausible deniability but it still funny for them to invoke Patrick Henry and then tell people to not do anything rash.
More to the point, who's causing the strife and discord?
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 26, 2010, 08:13:59 PM
Quote from: Ratatosk on March 26, 2010, 07:50:03 PM
It doesn't say "push back":
"it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security"
Ergo, the founders are stating that when necessary, the old government should be removed and a new one instituted... this is not about voting, or protest. It is the justification for War.
Of course, IMO, we just let the fuckers seceded if they want to. I'm pretty sure we'd be fine without the States that would pay heed to Teabagging.
Just think of the people lucky enough to live in their system, given their collection of values. :lulz:
Where Freedom is Free, but not worth what you paid for it!
Quote from: Ratatosk on March 26, 2010, 08:18:10 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 26, 2010, 08:13:59 PM
Quote from: Ratatosk on March 26, 2010, 07:50:03 PM
It doesn't say "push back":
"it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security"
Ergo, the founders are stating that when necessary, the old government should be removed and a new one instituted... this is not about voting, or protest. It is the justification for War.
Of course, IMO, we just let the fuckers seceded if they want to. I'm pretty sure we'd be fine without the States that would pay heed to Teabagging.
Just think of the people lucky enough to live in their system, given their collection of values. :lulz:
Where Freedom is Free, but not worth what you paid for it!
Smile when you say that, sinner! :lol:
I'm all for letting them secede. Maybe even MAKING them secede.
We should give them Alaska.
I'm thinking Texas.
Also a good plan. I was just htinking to give them Palin on top of a cold, inhospitable land. Also, Canada is between us and them.
Quote from: Calamity Nigel on March 26, 2010, 08:23:59 PM
I'm all for letting them secede. Maybe even MAKING them secede.
Only if you give me a place to crash cause I'm pretty sure Utah would secede as well. :crankey:
Now this might make a good Prank...
www.pleasesecede.com
We could have a petition asking Tea Baggers to convince their states to GTFO.
'comments'
blog
etc...
Thoughts?
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 26, 2010, 08:43:20 PM
Quote from: Calamity Nigel on March 26, 2010, 08:35:36 PM
I'm thinking Texas.
This.
And get them the fuck out.
It'd be just like having Saudi Arabia in our backyard. :horrormirth:
Quote from: Professor Freeky on March 26, 2010, 08:36:40 PM
Also a good plan. I was just htinking to give them Palin on top of a cold, inhospitable land. Also, Canada is between us and them.
Alaska has nice things that the Teabaggers would quickly ruin. I don't want them to ruin the nice things.
Ooooh.
Quote from: Iason Ouabache on March 26, 2010, 08:50:47 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 26, 2010, 08:43:20 PM
Quote from: Calamity Nigel on March 26, 2010, 08:35:36 PM
I'm thinking Texas.
This.
And get them the fuck out.
It'd be just like having Saudi Arabia in our backyard. :horrormirth:
Actually, it would very soon be like having Mexico in our back yard.
And just think of how cheap illegal Texan labor would be when they start immigrating here illegally.
Quote from: Calamity Nigel on March 26, 2010, 08:53:21 PM
Quote from: Iason Ouabache on March 26, 2010, 08:50:47 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 26, 2010, 08:43:20 PM
Quote from: Calamity Nigel on March 26, 2010, 08:35:36 PM
I'm thinking Texas.
This.
And get them the fuck out.
It'd be just like having Saudi Arabia in our backyard. :horrormirth:
Actually, it would very soon be like having Mexico in our back yard.
And just think of how cheap illegal Texan labor would be when they start immigrating here illegally.
It would be like Mexico with an oppresive theocracy, lots of oil, and nuclear weapons. How about we give them something less valuable like Montana or Wyoming?
Quote from: Iason Ouabache on March 26, 2010, 09:22:47 PM
Quote from: Calamity Nigel on March 26, 2010, 08:53:21 PM
Quote from: Iason Ouabache on March 26, 2010, 08:50:47 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 26, 2010, 08:43:20 PM
Quote from: Calamity Nigel on March 26, 2010, 08:35:36 PM
I'm thinking Texas.
This.
And get them the fuck out.
It'd be just like having Saudi Arabia in our backyard. :horrormirth:
Actually, it would very soon be like having Mexico in our back yard.
And just think of how cheap illegal Texan labor would be when they start immigrating here illegally.
It would be like Mexico with an oppresive theocracy, lots of oil, and nuclear weapons. How about we give them something less valuable like Montana or Wyoming?
One of the Dakotas, I don't thnk they have much. Except corn.
Quote from: Iason Ouabache on March 26, 2010, 09:22:47 PM
Quote from: Calamity Nigel on March 26, 2010, 08:53:21 PM
Quote from: Iason Ouabache on March 26, 2010, 08:50:47 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 26, 2010, 08:43:20 PM
Quote from: Calamity Nigel on March 26, 2010, 08:35:36 PM
I'm thinking Texas.
This.
And get them the fuck out.
It'd be just like having Saudi Arabia in our backyard. :horrormirth:
Actually, it would very soon be like having Mexico in our back yard.
And just think of how cheap illegal Texan labor would be when they start immigrating here illegally.
It would be like Mexico with an oppresive theocracy, lots of oil, and nuclear weapons. How about we give them something less valuable like Montana or Wyoming?
Nope, the Feds paid for those Nukes... Texas doesn't get to keep 'em!
Quote from: Professor Freeky on March 26, 2010, 09:24:12 PM
Quote from: Iason Ouabache on March 26, 2010, 09:22:47 PM
Quote from: Calamity Nigel on March 26, 2010, 08:53:21 PM
Quote from: Iason Ouabache on March 26, 2010, 08:50:47 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 26, 2010, 08:43:20 PM
Quote from: Calamity Nigel on March 26, 2010, 08:35:36 PM
I'm thinking Texas.
This.
And get them the fuck out.
It'd be just like having Saudi Arabia in our backyard. :horrormirth:
Actually, it would very soon be like having Mexico in our back yard.
And just think of how cheap illegal Texan labor would be when they start immigrating here illegally.
It would be like Mexico with an oppresive theocracy, lots of oil, and nuclear weapons. How about we give them something less valuable like Montana or Wyoming?
One of the Dakotas, I don't thnk they have much. Except corn.
They have gold.
Quote from: Ratatosk on March 26, 2010, 08:41:01 PM
Now this might make a good Prank...
www.pleasesecede.com
We could have a petition asking Tea Baggers to convince their states to GTFO.
'comments'
blog
etc...
Thoughts?
Bad idea. Even as a joke because they may just take it seriously.
-Suu
Remembers what happened the LAST time states tried to leave.
I'm just wondering about this one thing. Don't hit me for it. But aren't we all also just a littlebit jealous that these teabagger retards managed to get people on the street and actually DO stuff and say, STOP UNTIL HERE AND NO FURTHER?
Even if it's for a completely retarded goal.
I can't help but think of the Anon/Scientology protests in which the first thing that happened was people shouting DONT USE VIOLENCE OR THEY WONT TAKE US SERIOUSLY!!
What is it, is that how you tell they aren't that evil?
Quote from: Calamity Nigel on March 26, 2010, 08:35:36 PM
I'm thinking Texas.
HEY I LIVE THERE
In any case, giving the majority of a state said state is a matter of tyranny of the majority: the states as a whole (super majority) do what one state's majority wants, without regard for the minority in that state. You can't do that to US citizens (without a good pretense).
Quote from: Triple Zero on March 26, 2010, 10:38:21 PM
I'm just wondering about this one thing. Don't hit me for it. But aren't we all also just a littlebit jealous that these teabagger retards managed to get people on the street and actually DO stuff and say, STOP UNTIL HERE AND NO FURTHER?
Even if it's for a completely retarded goal.
I can't help but think of the Anon/Scientology protests in which the first thing that happened was people shouting DONT USE VIOLENCE OR THEY WONT TAKE US SERIOUSLY!!
What is it, is that how you tell they aren't that evil?
Anonymous basically separated back into its constituent parts before things really drew attention, as I recall:
The fraction that might actually like do violence wouldn't be particularly idealistic, and none with cunning and will to direct violent operations arose.
The idealists and followers persisted (presumably majority followers, since idealists might fight for their cause), long after it was meaningful. It could still be decent fun, idk.
I remember reading about a change in how they made armies, once... A change from finding the best and most promising, to finding anyone that'll sign up, conditioning them to follow orders without question and ignore death, and throwing them at the enemy.
Quote from: Calamity Nigel on March 26, 2010, 08:23:59 PM
I'm all for letting them secede. Maybe even MAKING them secede.
I THINK
every state ought to secede
IF EVEN
just to confuse the EU
Quote from: Suu on March 25, 2010, 07:07:30 PM
Quote from: Calamity Nigel on March 25, 2010, 07:05:44 PM
Jesus, what the hell?
Breaking windows because of restrictions on being denied medical insurance? WTF is wrong with these people.
The media most likely. They have no idea what the HCR is really about. They only hear Glenn, Rush, and Sarah's POV, and draw their own conclusion.
Chances are, these are the dregs of society, absolute Middle American Gun-toting White Trash who know nothing about how the system works.
IN MY OPINION
the mid-west
has no opinion
AND
it seems to be mostly you east coast radicals and southern folk
Quote from: BADGE OF HONOR on March 25, 2010, 07:58:32 PM
Quote from: Cain on March 25, 2010, 07:27:12 PM
I read this just earlier today, and thought I should repost it: http://www.tinyrevolution.com/mt/archives/003234.html
QuoteSomeone in the progressive world needs to find a relative of someone killed in the Oklahoma City bombing who understands that was the result of nineties right-wing incitement, and get that relative on TV talking about how we're on the same path now. Things are getting fairly alarming, and we should be using any means we have to shame the right into tamping down the crazy. We might not succeed, but it's irresponsible not to try.
If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear it. Added bonus: preventing another Oklahoma City keeps Democrats from using the opportunity to extinguish our few remaining civil liberties.
If that doesn't happen, the other option is waiting for them to commit some sort of atrocity (like another OK bombing) that will shock 90% of the teabaggers back towards moderation.
OR
waiting for the U.S. Government to arrange a contemporary
KRISTALLNACHT replete, with nation-wide brick-through-window activity
TO
isolate and identify the
enemy, in order to support the further
necessary governmental activity to supress the enemy. Yes, very similar to the Oklahoma City Bombing.
AH,
hysteria, the new American politics.
Quote from: Ratatosk on March 26, 2010, 08:41:01 PM
Now this might make a good Prank...
www.pleasesecede.com
We could have a petition asking Tea Baggers to convince their states to GTFO.
'comments'
blog
etc...
Thoughts?
I've got a better idea. We need to somehow convince them to wear brown shirts and armbands to their next round of protests. They are fundamentalists so the irony won't seep into until the last minute.
Also:
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2010/03/classic_1.php
QuoteThe Washington Post today has a profile of Mike Vanderboegh, the 57-year-old former militiaman from Alabama who last week posted a call for people to throw bricks through the windows at Democratic offices around the country to protest their votes for Health Care Reform. Whether the people who actually did this over the last week did so in reaction to his call to arms is not clear. But he's happy to take credit and others are crediting him too.
But Vanderboegh really is a classic exemplar of scream-at-your-TV tea-partyish extremism. A radical libertarian, champion of getting big government off the people's backs, his day job? Vanderboegh lives on government disability checks down outside of Birmingham, Alabama.
:lulz:
Quote from: Template on March 26, 2010, 11:50:06 PM
Quote from: Triple Zero on March 26, 2010, 10:38:21 PM
I'm just wondering about this one thing. Don't hit me for it. But aren't we all also just a littlebit jealous that these teabagger retards managed to get people on the street and actually DO stuff and say, STOP UNTIL HERE AND NO FURTHER?
Even if it's for a completely retarded goal.
I can't help but think of the Anon/Scientology protests in which the first thing that happened was people shouting DONT USE VIOLENCE OR THEY WONT TAKE US SERIOUSLY!!
What is it, is that how you tell they aren't that evil?
Anonymous basically separated back into its constituent parts before things really drew attention, as I recall:
The fraction that might actually like do violence wouldn't be particularly idealistic, and none with cunning and will to direct violent operations arose.
The idealists and followers persisted (presumably majority followers, since idealists might fight for their cause), long after it was meaningful. It could still be decent fun, idk.
You completely missed my point. Was I that obtuse or did you just want to talk about Anon?
Quote from: Template on March 26, 2010, 11:50:06 PM
Quote from: Calamity Nigel on March 26, 2010, 08:35:36 PM
I'm thinking Texas.
HEY I LIVE THERE
In any case, giving the majority of a state said state is a matter of tyranny of the majority: the states as a whole (super majority) do what one state's majority wants, without regard for the minority in that state. You can't do that to US citizens (without a good pretense).
And here we've been calling it "Democracy" and "State rights".
Hey, yeah, I think I've had enough of these goons. Time to make them look stupid in public. Things keep going the way they're headed, maybe it's time to do more than make them look stupid.
But for the time being...
Idea #1: Show up with badly mis-spelled signs supporting their cause.
Idea #2: Take it over the top ala Fred Phelps.
I am so looking forward to April 14th.
Hold the phone here. Even though congressman are getting death threats, attacks on their relatives, and bricks through windows, I think we all know who the real victims are
(http://i470.photobucket.com/albums/rr70/AidanGriff/STOPTHEMADNESS.jpg?t=1269718946)
The Teabaggers
Quote from: Sigmatic on March 25, 2010, 06:37:20 PM
I know that this is very bad, but I can't stop laughing.
why you think i responded to my family's chain letter emails
STOP HEALTHCARE, blah blah blah
with HAHA PROGRESSIVES ARE WINNING
so far no replies back, :lulz:
Quote from: Pariah on March 27, 2010, 07:42:53 PM
Hold the phone here. Even though congressman are getting death threats, attacks on their relatives, and bricks through windows, I think we all know who the real victims are
(http://i470.photobucket.com/albums/rr70/AidanGriff/STOPTHEMADNESS.jpg?t=1269718946)
The Teabaggers
The real news in that post is that Harry Reid has supporters.
I just like "Stop the madness!!" coming from them. :lulz:
April 14th should be interesting here, too. All federal taxes from Denver west (I think) go here AND we've got allll sorts of tea baggers. I think I might go find the IRS building and wait.
Wait at least 500 yards away.
Also, I think the Teabaggers may be beyond parody. I mean, they're a bunch of people, named after a particular sexual act, who after 8 years of neverending foreign war, illegal spying, torture and corruption suddenly notice the new government is evil, tyrannical and despotic, who dress up like rejects from the 18th century (when they're not looking ridiculous in Army surplus camo), hold illiterate signs at the worst (and provided-for signs from FreedomWorks at best) and believe providing healthcare to more people (regardless of the flaws of the bill) is more overtly tyrannical than any other act since the new century came around, and most of them seem to be people who are benefitting from government help.
The fact these people have any support at all means your country is fucked.
They may be beyond tasteful, measured, intelligent parody, but nobody is beyond parody.
"Sometimes you just have to get down in the gutter and have a slap fight with the whores".
Quote from: Sigmatic on March 28, 2010, 06:06:41 PM
They may be beyond tasteful, measured, intelligent parody, but nobody is beyond parody.
"Sometimes you just have to get down in the gutter and have a slap fight with the whores".
This.
Quote from: Cain on March 28, 2010, 01:49:38 PM
Wait at least 500 yards away.
Also, I think the Teabaggers may be beyond parody. I mean, they're a bunch of people, named after a particular sexual act, who after 8 years of neverending foreign war, illegal spying, torture and corruption suddenly notice the new government is evil, tyrannical and despotic, who dress up like rejects from the 18th century (when they're not looking ridiculous in Army surplus camo), hold illiterate signs at the worst (and provided-for signs from FreedomWorks at best) and believe providing healthcare to more people (regardless of the flaws of the bill) is more overtly tyrannical than any other act since the new century came around, and most of them seem to be people who are benefitting from government help.
The fact these people have any support at all means your country is fucked.
I intend to take your advice. I decided we were fucked when I figured out what the USA PATRIOT act was (because that's NEVER going to be repealed). This compounds it, but might be kind of fun along the way whereas the PATRIOT act is not.
Quote from: Joh'Nyx on March 28, 2010, 10:42:28 PM
http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/notas/669129.html (http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/notas/669129.html)
QuotePresident Felipe Calderón of Mexico, points out that USA authorities are facing a strong opposition to regulate weapons in the border
Tighter control over weapons trading might upset the Teabag brethen, and its supposed to be one of the principal axis of the solutions to deal with the "little" cartel problems.
Not like gun control is gonna happen among the border - nor that the cartels are going anywhere.
Edit: this is in relation to the bi-lateral discussions that Hillary et al came down here last week for.
Of course we would.
Quote from: Cain on March 28, 2010, 01:49:38 PM
Wait at least 500 yards away.
Also, I think the Teabaggers may be beyond parody. I mean, they're a bunch of people, named after a particular sexual act, who after 8 years of neverending foreign war, illegal spying, torture and corruption suddenly notice the new government is evil, tyrannical and despotic, who dress up like rejects from the 18th century (when they're not looking ridiculous in Army surplus camo), hold illiterate signs at the worst (and provided-for signs from FreedomWorks at best) and believe providing healthcare to more people (regardless of the flaws of the bill) is more overtly tyrannical than any other act since the new century came around, and most of them seem to be people who are benefitting from government help.
The fact these people have any support at all means your country is fucked.
good gawd
This whole thread is (http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/Smileys/default/horrormirth3copy.png)
I can't stop snickering though. It's a really weird phenomenon, right? I mean, I'm thoroughly disgusted, and yet, I want to read more. This is terribly misanthropic of me, but I want to see the teabaggers keep pushing it. I want it to get worse; I want them to start actually obstructing democracy. Just imagine the lulz!
Imposition of Order = Escalation of LAIL
I want to see some anchors from the Daily Show go interview regular teabaggers and get them to really explain their position. It'd be awesome to hear an average teabagger describe exactly what socialism is and why it is bad. And what exactly is wrong with the health care bill. I think it'd be a gas!
because you know, maybe we're actually just pawns of the liberal leftwing media, and the teabaggers actually have a great point. We would never know because the only information we receive depicts them as batshit insane extremists. I mean maybe we're all facists and are too brainwashed to even comprehend it, you know?
:lulz:
I've often wondered what I would do if everything the right-wing nuts were saying was entirely true.
Obama, the muslim ethiopian, is looking to kill your grandparents
and once this new healthcare bill gets into full swing,
you will have to donate an organ to a homosexual and get a sex change.
I'm still working on a reaction.
FUCK THE TEABAGGERS AND THEIR DOUCHEY SIGNATURE SHILLS, THEIR MISPLACED VIOLENCE AND THEIR IGNORAMA.
"IGNORAMA"?
Jenne, I love you. That word is brilliance, ossified.
Quote from: LMNO on March 30, 2010, 07:48:30 PM
"IGNORAMA"?
Jenne, I love you. That word is brilliance, ossified.
Fuck yeah.
Quote from: Cramulus on March 29, 2010, 05:10:15 PM
This whole thread is (http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/Smileys/default/horrormirth3copy.png)
I can't stop snickering though. It's a really weird phenomenon, right? I mean, I'm thoroughly disgusted, and yet, I want to read more. This is terribly misanthropic of me, but I want to see the teabaggers keep pushing it. I want it to get worse; I want them to start actually obstructing democracy. Just imagine the lulz!
Imposition of Order = Escalation of LAIL
I want to see some anchors from the Daily Show go interview regular teabaggers and get them to really explain their position. It'd be awesome to hear an average teabagger describe exactly what socialism is and why it is bad. And what exactly is wrong with the health care bill. I think it'd be a gas!
Agreed on all points. It's kinda like bile fascination.
When and if I go, I'll be sure to see what I can get them to cop to. I expect they'll refuse if they see me with a camera, but my mp3 has a handy little recording function and is petite and doesn't actually look like an mp3. :lulz: I'll post what I can get.
Quote from: LMNO on March 30, 2010, 07:48:30 PM
"IGNORAMA"?
Jenne, I love you. That word is brilliance, ossified.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 30, 2010, 07:51:29 PM
Quote from: LMNO on March 30, 2010, 07:48:30 PM
"IGNORAMA"?
Jenne, I love you. That word is brilliance, ossified.
Fuck yeah.
<3
I THINK IT'S DRAMA + IGNORANCE.
...sorry, my ire from the day's events has bled into every other post I'm making...
I sometimes out myself as a wordsmith.
HAR! The Daily Show's rebuttal (so to speak) to Fux New's refusal to take responsibility for the violence was classic.
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-march-29-2010/health-care-slime-machine
Quote from: Jenne on March 31, 2010, 04:02:28 AM
HAR! The Daily Show's rebuttal (so to speak) to Fux New's refusal to take responsibility for the violence was classic.
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-march-29-2010/health-care-slime-machine
Why the hell is it telling me I don't have flash player?
Quote from: Requia ☣ on March 31, 2010, 09:03:48 AM
Quote from: Jenne on March 31, 2010, 04:02:28 AM
HAR! The Daily Show's rebuttal (so to speak) to Fux New's refusal to take responsibility for the violence was classic.
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-march-29-2010/health-care-slime-machine
Why the hell is it telling me I don't have flash player?
KICK IT IN THE FACE, REQUIA!
IN DA FACE!
http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/TPMmuckraker/~3/WMRkSdU2ahc/feeling_the_heat_tea_partiers_denounce_violence.php
QuoteTea Partiers and others on the right are starting to distance themselves from the recent spate of violence and racism that has characterized the opposition to health-care reform.
In a letter to President Obama and Congress released yesterday, an alliance of Florida Tea Party groups called the Tea Party movement "a peaceful movement" and declared that they "stand in stark opposition to any person using derogatory characterizations, threats of violence, or disparaging terms toward members of Congress or the President."
A similar coalition in Colorado -- where the office of Rep. Betsy Markey (D-CO) recently notified police about a phone call it received threatening violence -- released a similar statement. "Tea party and similar groups across Colorado are saddened tonight to hear of threats made upon Democratic lawmakers in response to the passing their recent health insurance reform legislation, specifically ... Rep. Betsy Markey," it said.
And FreedomWorks, the Washington grassroots lobbying group that has helped co-ordinate Tea Party events put out a statement declaring "political violence is both immoral and ineffective, and will only set the movement back."
Separately, Debbie Dooley, a co-founder of the Atlanta Tea Party and a national coordinator for Tea Party Patriots, told Fox News: "We support peaceful means," adding, "there are so many Tea Party groups that are out there. ... It's like herding cats. It's impossible."
Even Glenn Beck -- not known for his cool head -- has counseled his followers against violence, calling it counter-productive.
As we've reported, the last few days have seen a spate of violent attacks on Democratic offices around the country, as well as threats against several Democrats who voted for reform. The protests over the weekend at the Capitol involved incidents of racism and homophobia.
So it's significant that some Tea Partiers and their allies are starting to feel the need to distance themselves from the violence, for fear of being associated with it. In normal times, it might be unremarkable for activists to declare that violence is bad. But these are hardly normal times.
Quote from: Cain on March 31, 2010, 04:56:15 PM
http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/TPMmuckraker/~3/WMRkSdU2ahc/feeling_the_heat_tea_partiers_denounce_violence.php
QuoteTea Partiers and others on the right are starting to distance themselves from the recent spate of violence and racism that has characterized the opposition to health-care reform.
In a letter to President Obama and Congress released yesterday, an alliance of Florida Tea Party groups called the Tea Party movement "a peaceful movement" and declared that they "stand in stark opposition to any person using derogatory characterizations, threats of violence, or disparaging terms toward members of Congress or the President."
A similar coalition in Colorado -- where the office of Rep. Betsy Markey (D-CO) recently notified police about a phone call it received threatening violence -- released a similar statement. "Tea party and similar groups across Colorado are saddened tonight to hear of threats made upon Democratic lawmakers in response to the passing their recent health insurance reform legislation, specifically ... Rep. Betsy Markey," it said.
And FreedomWorks, the Washington grassroots lobbying group that has helped co-ordinate Tea Party events put out a statement declaring "political violence is both immoral and ineffective, and will only set the movement back."
Separately, Debbie Dooley, a co-founder of the Atlanta Tea Party and a national coordinator for Tea Party Patriots, told Fox News: "We support peaceful means," adding, "there are so many Tea Party groups that are out there. ... It's like herding cats. It's impossible."
Even Glenn Beck -- not known for his cool head -- has counseled his followers against violence, calling it counter-productive.
As we've reported, the last few days have seen a spate of violent attacks on Democratic offices around the country, as well as threats against several Democrats who voted for reform. The protests over the weekend at the Capitol involved incidents of racism and homophobia.
So it's significant that some Tea Partiers and their allies are starting to feel the need to distance themselves from the violence, for fear of being associated with it. In normal times, it might be unremarkable for activists to declare that violence is bad. But these are hardly normal times.
It's amazing what happens when you tell the monkeys that evil people are going to destroy their way of life and everything their country stands for. Who would have thought that might lead to violence?
We must save our country from the majority of its citizens!
\
:genius:
Personally I liked the bit about how "derogatory characterizations... or disparaging terms" are unacceptable.
Why do I imagine that after that they immediately went back to comparing Obama to Mao and Stalin, or referring to him as "our Kenyan President"?
...there's a recent Gallup Poll that UPI (http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2010/03/31/All-sides-to-blame-for-healthcare-threats/UPI-82101270047396/) says that THE DEMOCRATS ARE TO BLAME!!!11oneelventy-one! for the recent violence demonstrated because they used the same tactics that all legislators use to get the bill passed, you know, compromise? (that is NOT the one that the Teabaggers are blaming them for, of course) But basically, 70% of the Dems that answered think the use of tactics was approrpriate, 30% of the Republicans agree the same. Gee Whiz. Go Figure...the poll's divided along party lines? Sheeeit.
But what Gallup asked the Dems was "are you as YAHOO! about the bill" as your Republican fellow-voters? And apparently, Republicans are angrier over the injustices of said bill than Dems are enthusiastic for it.
Again: Um, DUH.
But this doesn't mean Democrats see the violence as the legislators' faults.
So whoever's interpreting that poll needs a bitch-slap.
The people who wrote that are probably the same people who think a recent CIA report says Iran is trying to acquire the A-bomb (http://feeds.salon.com/~r/salon/greenwald/~3/KiJYjW7UVVg/iran).
Just read a tag online suggesting that instead of referring to them as teabaggers, we should use the title teahadists.
:lulz:
IMO the real problem is not going to come from the teabaggers storming the capital and seizing it. The problem is going to come from someone stepping up and saying they can stop all this madness, they will restore law and order and calm the teapartiers down.
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on April 04, 2010, 11:57:10 PM
IMO the real problem is not going to come from the teabaggers storming the capital and seizing it. The problem is going to come from someone stepping up and saying they can stop all this madness, they will restore law and order and calm the teapartiers down.
McCain's new bill lets Obama just shove them all in an internment camp.
Quote from: Ratatosk on March 26, 2010, 08:02:48 PM
Quote from: Iptuous on March 26, 2010, 07:53:57 PM
149 years too late for that idea...
Just because Lincoln screwed the pooch doesn't mean we're stuck with his bad decisions.
I see no reason to hold States against their will. If the People don't support the government then they have a right to form their own.
And then we can laugh as they provide a sterling example of FAIL... then fine the fuckers when they want back in.
It's simple really.... States have one year to discuss secession. At the end of that year there is a vote. IF more that 60% of the State wish to leave, then the State presents articles of secession to the Federal Government. Once presented, the Federal government removes all federal aid, all federal programs, all federal equipment (including that lovely equipment from the National Guard), all US Bases... everything.
Then they can be free to go Galt all over themselves. :lulz:
Sounds great, dealing with that 40% though, a lot of them are probably going to want to relocate out of the new confederacy of redneckistan.
Quote from: Risus on March 30, 2010, 06:51:34 PM
I've often wondered what I would do if everything the right-wing nuts were saying was entirely true.
Obama, the muslim ethiopian, is looking to kill your grandparents
and once this new healthcare bill gets into full swing,
you will have to donate an organ to a homosexual and get a sex change.
I'm still working on a reaction.
I keep wishing right wing wingnuts were actually right. We'd be living in a socialist utopia by now.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 05, 2010, 12:00:25 AM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on April 04, 2010, 11:57:10 PM
IMO the real problem is not going to come from the teabaggers storming the capital and seizing it. The problem is going to come from someone stepping up and saying they can stop all this madness, they will restore law and order and calm the teapartiers down.
McCain's new bill lets Obama just shove them all in an internment camp.
That's usually how it works. 1980 coup in Turkey, for example.
I'm guessing the people who eventually step up to the plate and promise to restore law and order will be the same people who back the Teabaggers, or at least move in the same circles.
Of course, the Teabaggers might get totally out of hand, in which case anyone capable of standing up to them will choose to side with them instead. It's a dangerous gambit, that's why most people don't ever use it.
...just as someone who has been yelling at/witnessing the Teabag movement firsthand in her neighborhood:
The same asshole I yelled at the other day who was collecting signatures for his damned Teabag initiatives was out there again last Friday outside my Vons. Instead of yelling at him again, though, I shook the hand of the young dude who was standing beside him with a small, 8.5x11 sheet of paper, probably home-printed, that had a person's portrait on it. He was standing there yelling out, next to the signature gatherer:
"The Tea Party Movement was founded on racist and elitist ideals. This is their founder!" he points to his printout, "And HE is a nationally-known bigot and racist. Vote for the Tea Party initiatives if you want to follow a racist!"
that guy was awesome...
/sorry for the threadjack
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 05, 2010, 12:00:25 AM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on April 04, 2010, 11:57:10 PM
IMO the real problem is not going to come from the teabaggers storming the capital and seizing it. The problem is going to come from someone stepping up and saying they can stop all this madness, they will restore law and order and calm the teapartiers down.
McCain's new bill lets Obama just shove them all in an internment camp.
I LOVE
the idea of an internet camp
IT'S
the super duper black cell. like here, maybe.
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2010/04/some-oklahomans-want-a-state-militia-to-resist-washington-/1
QuoteFed up with what they see as Washington's intrusion into their state, Oklahoma "tea party" leaders and some conservative legislators want to create a volunteer militia to defend against the federal government, the Associated Press writes.
"Is it scary? It sure is," said Al Gerhart, a tea party activist who heads the Oklahoma Constitutional Alliance. "But when do the states stop rolling over for the federal government?"
State Rep. Charles Key, a Republican representing Oklahoma City, said he believes there's a good chance that legislation could be introduced next year to authorize a militia.
Bahahaha.
1) Isn't that what the National Guard is supposed to be for?
2) Any militia that they could possibly slap together will be more pathetic than the Minutemen who were supposedly protecting our border?
BUY MORE GUNS AND BULLETS
Quote from: Iason Ouabache on April 13, 2010, 05:33:45 AM
1) Isn't that what the National Guard is supposed to be for?
2) Any militia that they could possibly slap together will be more pathetic than the Minutemen who were supposedly protecting our border?
The British underestimated the militias during the revolutionary war and look where that got them.
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Quote from: Iason Ouabache on April 13, 2010, 05:33:45 AM
1) Isn't that what the National Guard is supposed to be for?
2) Any militia that they could possibly slap together will be more pathetic than the Minutemen who were supposedly protecting our border?
1)To resist the federal govt?
i'm pretty sure that's not in the charter for the national guard.
2)the minutemen aren't engaged in any resistance really. has there been any stories about them going commando on anybody? from what i recall they weren't even armed until fairly recently, and their goal is simply to report border crossings to the federal authorities to have them apprehended...
as far as the effectiveness of a slapped together militia fighting conventional forces that's not really something to be ignored if it's done in a guerrilla fashion, no? especially if they are fighting on turf where they have significant support...
i think there is some underestimation of the danger that the country is in right now... :sad:
also, keep in mind that they guy pictured in that article looks suspiciously like Locke from 'Lost'. perhaps a formidable opponent... :lol:
On the one hand, competent guerrillas can be fairly dangerous. On the other hand, its not like any of these guys have anything on Al-Qaeda in Iraq or Hezbollah now, is it?
A savvy guerrilla commander is a terrifying person who can, with a small core of intelligent and dedicated people, cause mass destruction and disruption. People who post videos of themselves marching around in the woods or desert with their guns on Youtube are idiots.
Quote from: Cain on April 13, 2010, 02:57:49 PM
On the one hand, competent guerrillas can be fairly dangerous. On the other hand, its not like any of these guys have anything on Al-Qaeda in Iraq or Hezbollah now, is it?
A savvy guerrilla commander is a terrifying person who can, with a small core of intelligent and dedicated people, cause mass destruction and disruption. People who post videos of themselves marching around in the woods or desert with their guns on Youtube are idiots.
yeah. i guess i should have specified.
the fat guy in camos that joins a group of other fat guys in camos get some media attention and lulz on the intarwebs.
but right now, there's a good amount of individuals that would act alone if a critical mass were reached.
there's old ex military guys out there that, while not in peak shape, know how to shoot a rifle, stfu, and not get caught. acting alone, that could be dangerous.
you take one guy with a good scoped hunting rifle, and they can cause chaos in an area (e.g. beltline sniper)
you get a situation where a number of 'domestic terrorists' start adding up, and the grandpas of america start seeing them as 'freedom fighters', and things could get real messy...
i'm just saying that there are powder kegs in this country that i see getting laughed at on this board frequently, that's all...
I think the soldiers coming back from warzones and not being able to get jobs could be dangerous, yes, along with vets. I think I have said that elsewhere here before.
However, there are an awful lot of wannabes whose best purpose would be for ATF trainee snipers to practice on, you have to admit.
true.
but even they would be dangerous in the context of a roster of 'martyrs' that could be held up as an emblem that might rally those with a little more savy...
I'd like to point out that it only took two guys with a Bushmaster .223 and a Chevy Caprice (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beltway_sniper_attacks) to throw the DC beltway into a panic.
It only takes Rahm Emanuel calling people nasty names (http://wonkette.com/414100/about-that-time-rahm-emanuel-stabbed-eric-massa-with-his-penis-in-the-showers) to throw D.C. into a panic.
:lulz:
:mrgreen:
Quote from: Iptuous on April 13, 2010, 02:51:58 PM
Quote from: Iason Ouabache on April 13, 2010, 05:33:45 AM
1) Isn't that what the National Guard is supposed to be for?
1)To resist the federal govt?
i'm pretty sure that's not in the charter for the national guard.
I'm pretty sure that's treason, or very nearly it. Ironic, given how frantically patriotic they are.
You know, when you look at the track record of state and local governments, I'm not sure why the Teabaggers think that letting them have more control over things would be a better idea.
I'm just wondering how many of them actually want to secede and just haven't said anything about it yet, or if they just don't think about what getting a militia to resist the feds actually means.
Its funny how they simultaneously want an all powerful Emperor figure in Washington DC to smite the foreign heathen and protect them from Gay Islamist Mexicans, yet believe all power should be devolved to state level.
Of course, it has been suggested more than once that "state rights" is code for "bring back Jim Crow laws", so make of that what you will.
Quote from: LMNO on April 13, 2010, 04:30:41 PM
You know, when you look at the track record of state and local governments, I'm not sure why the Teabaggers think that letting them have more control over things would be a better idea.
Because a state government is more easily manipulated/controlled/modified/stacked with friends than a large federal one. It's easier to get a majority in a single state to pass draconian anti-abortion laws, than it is to cover the whole country and then risk the Supreme Court's veto. Think about all the conservative "hot button" issues... prayer in school, ten commandments in court, zero tolerance for abortion, gays, etc. With a strong Federal government, all states are compelled to compromise... they can only pass what >50 senators agree on. And the senators from Kansas aren't likely to enjoy compromising with the senators from NY/CA.
Look at California. If we ask the Senators from California to vote on Gay Marriage... they will likely vote Yes. If however, we ask the citizens instead, they can be easily manipulated into saying 'No'.
Or in Colorado, where the Senators aren't likely to support legalization of marijuana, but local pushes got legalized marijuana in Denver.
Manipulating on the state level is far easier than manipulation at the national level (though FOX does a good job of trying to prove me wrong).
Quote from: Cain on April 13, 2010, 05:26:19 PM
Its funny how they simultaneously want an all powerful Emperor figure in Washington DC to smite the foreign heathen and protect them from Gay Islamist Mexicans, yet believe all power should be devolved to state level.
Of course, it has been suggested more than once that "state rights" is code for "bring back Jim Crow laws", so make of that what you will.
Perhaps updated, where "nigger" becomes "faggot" and "wetback", perhaps?
Perhaps.
Quote from: BADGE OF HONOR on April 13, 2010, 05:23:05 PM
I'm just wondering how many of them actually want to secede and just haven't said anything about it yet, or if they just don't think about what getting a militia to resist the feds actually means.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/15/gov-rick-perry-texas-coul_n_187490.html
QuoteTexas Gov. Rick Perry fired up an anti-tax "tea party" Wednesday with his stance against the federal government and for states' rights as some in his U.S. flag-waving audience shouted, "Secede!"
QuoteLater, answering news reporters' questions, Perry suggested Texans might at some point get so fed up they would want to secede from the union, though he said he sees no reason why Texas should do that.
ON A SIDE NOTE:
sorry about linking the huffingtonpost... I don't like it either... makes me feel like a dirty hippie
:cry:
Rick Perry is a fucking idiot, and it pains me that he's been (and likely will continue to be) in office for so long....
fuck, he pisses me off.
smarmy little shit...
other than that, i don't really have any useful comment. :oops:
Quote from: Cain on April 13, 2010, 05:26:19 PM
Its funny how they simultaneously want an all powerful Emperor figure in Washington DC to smite the foreign heathen and protect them from Gay Islamist Mexicans, yet believe all power should be devolved to state level.
Of course, it has been suggested more than once that "state rights" is code for "bring back Jim Crow laws", so make of that what you will.
Depends on who is saying it. For some it is Jim Crow, for other's it's resciding Roe V Wade, and for some it means marijuana legalization.
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on April 13, 2010, 11:25:42 PM
Quote from: Cain on April 13, 2010, 05:26:19 PM
Its funny how they simultaneously want an all powerful Emperor figure in Washington DC to smite the foreign heathen and protect them from Gay Islamist Mexicans, yet believe all power should be devolved to state level.
Of course, it has been suggested more than once that "state rights" is code for "bring back Jim Crow laws", so make of that what you will.
Depends on who is saying it. For some it is Jim Crow, for other's it's resciding Roe V Wade, and for some it means marijuana legalization.
No!
you must lump them all together! there are no disparate views among this group of people!
Quote from: Cain on April 13, 2010, 05:26:19 PM
Its funny how they simultaneously want an all powerful Emperor figure in Washington DC to smite the foreign heathen and protect them from Gay Islamist Mexicans, yet believe all power should be devolved to state level.
Of course, it has been suggested more than once that "state rights" is code for "bring back Jim Crow laws", so make of that what you will.
all those Mexacanys don't no how to speek the Englesh
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on April 13, 2010, 11:25:42 PM
Quote from: Cain on April 13, 2010, 05:26:19 PM
Its funny how they simultaneously want an all powerful Emperor figure in Washington DC to smite the foreign heathen and protect them from Gay Islamist Mexicans, yet believe all power should be devolved to state level.
Of course, it has been suggested more than once that "state rights" is code for "bring back Jim Crow laws", so make of that what you will.
Depends on who is saying it. For some it is Jim Crow, for other's it's resciding Roe V Wade, and for some it means marijuana legalization.
IN THE CONTEXT OF THIS THREAD.Are you retarded or something? Do you require everything spelt out for you, with all its exceptions and variations taken into account? Or are you just trying to look clever? I sincerely hope it's
not the latter because, obviously, it isn't working.
Quote from: Cain on April 13, 2010, 11:53:23 PM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on April 13, 2010, 11:25:42 PM
Quote from: Cain on April 13, 2010, 05:26:19 PM
Its funny how they simultaneously want an all powerful Emperor figure in Washington DC to smite the foreign heathen and protect them from Gay Islamist Mexicans, yet believe all power should be devolved to state level.
Of course, it has been suggested more than once that "state rights" is code for "bring back Jim Crow laws", so make of that what you will.
Depends on who is saying it. For some it is Jim Crow, for other's it's resciding Roe V Wade, and for some it means marijuana legalization.
IN THE CONTEXT OF THIS THREAD.
Are you retarded or something? Do you require everything spelt out for you, with all its exceptions and variations taken into account? Or are you just trying to look clever? I sincerely hope it's not the latter because, obviously, it isn't working.
No, in the context of this thread, Different teabaggers mean different things by it. Admittedly I doubt many mean legalize pot, but I am quite sure as many are anti-abortion fanatics as are racists, plenty are both. And there are probably a fair amount who mean that they don't want the health care plan to apply to their particular state.
OK, I'll take that as one "stupid" then.
Any one else wanna offer up their meaningless, nitpicking observations here? No really, they'd be highly appreciated. If you're stuck for ideas, but want to help, try criticizing someone's grammar or spelling. Old skool, I know, but just as irritating and devoid of content.
EDIT: I decided [the comment] probably wasn't the best course of action.
I know it's part of your brilliance, and typical of the site, but it also tends to get the worst reactions from me, as well as others. Yeah, I may have derailed things slightly, you put me on the defensive though and now I have to find some value in my derailing. Which I did. One of the things which defines the teabaggers is that they are not homogenous. You can't say much that is true of all tea baggers. Some are racists, some are not, some are anti abortion fanatics, some are not. They don't really agree on all that much aside from that things are not going well in the country and it is the democrats fault.
Saying that it is stupid to point out that it's not code for jim crow to all of them could just mean "yeah, duh, I know they aren't homogenous" but the way you put it doesn't make that clear. It is one of the most common mistakes people make about the teaparty, because most political movements have been homogenous, at least to a much greater degree, especcially the ones that get to the point of breaking windows.
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on April 15, 2010, 03:18:16 AM
Yeah, I may have derailed things slightly, you put me on the defensive though and now I have to find some value in my derailing.
ook ook.
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on April 15, 2010, 03:18:16 AM
I know it's part of your brilliance, and typical of the site, but it also tends to get the worst reactions from me, as well as others. Yeah, I may have derailed things slightly, you put me on the defensive though and now I have to find some value in my derailing. Which I did. One of the things which defines the teabaggers is that they are not homogenous. You can't say much that is true of all tea baggers. Some are racists, some are not, some are anti abortion fanatics, some are not. They don't really agree on all that much aside from that things are not going well in the country and it is the democrats fault.
Saying that it is stupid to point out that it's not code for jim crow to all of them could just mean "yeah, duh, I know they aren't homogenous" but the way you put it doesn't make that clear. It is one of the most common mistakes people make about the teaparty, because most political movements have been homogenous, at least to a much greater degree, especcially the ones that get to the point of breaking windows.
I'm no so sure of that. I thought revolutions ran on widespread unease. It only has to all go the same direction for a little while. Then, all the factions can go back to being too weak to be a threat...
Quote from: Template on April 15, 2010, 06:57:56 AM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on April 15, 2010, 03:18:16 AM
I know it's part of your brilliance, and typical of the site, but it also tends to get the worst reactions from me, as well as others. Yeah, I may have derailed things slightly, you put me on the defensive though and now I have to find some value in my derailing. Which I did. One of the things which defines the teabaggers is that they are not homogenous. You can't say much that is true of all tea baggers. Some are racists, some are not, some are anti abortion fanatics, some are not. They don't really agree on all that much aside from that things are not going well in the country and it is the democrats fault.
Saying that it is stupid to point out that it's not code for jim crow to all of them could just mean "yeah, duh, I know they aren't homogenous" but the way you put it doesn't make that clear. It is one of the most common mistakes people make about the teaparty, because most political movements have been homogenous, at least to a much greater degree, especcially the ones that get to the point of breaking windows.
I'm no so sure of that. I thought revolutions ran on widespread unease. It only has to all go the same direction for a little while. Then, all the factions can go back to being too weak to be a threat...
Yes, we haven't really had a revolution in the us though. We've had fairly easily identified social movements, Sometimes they would work together, but they were still identifiable as their component parts.
The 60's as an example, there were feminists, communists, black activists, etc, and they would often work together for a common goal against a common enemy, but they were organized into discrete groups. The teaparty isn't organized into discrete groups, but it's also not a discrete group in itself because they don't actually have one unified goal.
Bath kinda ruined that :roll:
http://www.eretzyisroel.org/~jkatz/baath.html
QuoteOn 8 February, 1963, the Baath Party staged a bloody coup against Qassim, killing thousands of communists. Many believe that the CIA was involved in the coup as a way of destroying communist influence in the region. Ali Saleh Al-Sa'adi, the Baath Party secretary general, said: "We came to power on a CIA train."
The Baath would not remain in power long. In November of 1963, there was an army counter-coup. But the humiliation of the Arab leaderships in the Seven Day War with Israel in 1967 finally gave the Baathists their moment, and the movement definitively seized power in 1968.
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on April 15, 2010, 07:27:25 PM
Quote from: Template on April 15, 2010, 06:57:56 AM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on April 15, 2010, 03:18:16 AM
I know it's part of your brilliance, and typical of the site, but it also tends to get the worst reactions from me, as well as others. Yeah, I may have derailed things slightly, you put me on the defensive though and now I have to find some value in my derailing. Which I did. One of the things which defines the teabaggers is that they are not homogenous. You can't say much that is true of all tea baggers. Some are racists, some are not, some are anti abortion fanatics, some are not. They don't really agree on all that much aside from that things are not going well in the country and it is the democrats fault.
Saying that it is stupid to point out that it's not code for jim crow to all of them could just mean "yeah, duh, I know they aren't homogenous" but the way you put it doesn't make that clear. It is one of the most common mistakes people make about the teaparty, because most political movements have been homogenous, at least to a much greater degree, especcially the ones that get to the point of breaking windows.
I'm no so sure of that. I thought revolutions ran on widespread unease. It only has to all go the same direction for a little while. Then, all the factions can go back to being too weak to be a threat...
Yes, we haven't really had a revolution in the us though. We've had fairly easily identified social movements, Sometimes they would work together, but they were still identifiable as their component parts.
The 60's as an example, there were feminists, communists, black activists, etc, and they would often work together for a common goal against a common enemy, but they were organized into discrete groups. The teaparty isn't organized into discrete groups, but it's also not a discrete group in itself because they don't actually have one unified goal.
Oh but I think they do: to disrupt any sort of legislation going at this point in time. So even though their signs are often contradictory to not only their purpose but also their rhetoric, their main goal is totally obvious. They show up to protest anywhere a Democrat or Obama may be, and against any current legislation going through, regardless of whether it's slashing the budget or not. The Teabaggers outside NASA in Florida this week were a great example of this. They were bitching about losing the jobs in the aerospace industry, and that I can get behind. It's their platform that gave me horrormirth as THIS is usually a group who wants to protest spending.
Just not when it's spending for their OWN BACKYARDS.
And I think that's the overarching message, all in all. It's OK to take away funding for some other poor schmuck, just not their pet projects/peccadilloes.
As evidenced by the "Keep Your Gov't Out of My Medicare" signage early on...
Teabagger of the day: Valerie Shirk. 10 kids, takes them all to the teabagger rally. Turns out that they're all on government insurance/assistance, because they can't afford that many kids. They had them anyway. Asked why she can oppose social programs when she's on one, she replied "Each of my kids is a blessing."
LOL HYPOCRISY.
Link to be posted when I get to my laptop.
the thing nobody really gets, though, that Teabaggers as a group uniquely understand, is that democracy is a joke. No one really wants "The will of the people"; it's worse than a monarchy! Taxation with representation is really not enough.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 16, 2010, 07:55:01 PM
Teabagger of the day: Valerie Shirk. 10 kids, takes them all to the teabagger rally. Turns out that they're all on government insurance/assistance, because they can't afford that many kids. They had them anyway. Asked why she can oppose social programs when she's on one, she replied "Each of my kids is a blessing."
LOL HYPOCRISY.
Link to be posted when I get to my laptop.
Dok
I will say one thing that I realized a few years ago
Everyone makes exceptions for themselves. Everyone.
So do I, I guarantee it. I'm just blind to my own exceptions.
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on April 16, 2010, 08:02:34 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 16, 2010, 07:55:01 PM
Teabagger of the day: Valerie Shirk. 10 kids, takes them all to the teabagger rally. Turns out that they're all on government insurance/assistance, because they can't afford that many kids. They had them anyway. Asked why she can oppose social programs when she's on one, she replied "Each of my kids is a blessing."
LOL HYPOCRISY.
Link to be posted when I get to my laptop.
Dok
I will say one thing that I realized a few years ago
Everyone makes exceptions for themselves. Everyone.
So do I, I guarantee it. I'm just blind to my own exceptions.
Yes, but how can anyone be THAT blind? Her listed reason for 10 kids is that "I wanted them".
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 16, 2010, 08:03:38 PM
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on April 16, 2010, 08:02:34 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 16, 2010, 07:55:01 PM
Teabagger of the day: Valerie Shirk. 10 kids, takes them all to the teabagger rally. Turns out that they're all on government insurance/assistance, because they can't afford that many kids. They had them anyway. Asked why she can oppose social programs when she's on one, she replied "Each of my kids is a blessing."
LOL HYPOCRISY.
Link to be posted when I get to my laptop.
Dok
I will say one thing that I realized a few years ago
Everyone makes exceptions for themselves. Everyone.
So do I, I guarantee it. I'm just blind to my own exceptions.
Yes, but how can anyone be THAT blind? Her listed reason for 10 kids is that "I wanted them".
Oh, that's because some people are also STUPID.
... as evidenced by actually wanting 10 kids. Fuck. She obviously didn't have enough intellect to do anything ELSE with her life.
I snickered.
But yeah, everyone makes exceptions for themselves. Also known as the fundamental attribution error. Well-established psychology.
Democracy is a joke because of the type of voting, I believe. An approval vote would make the system more representative of the country's wishes.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 16, 2010, 07:55:01 PM
Teabagger of the day: Valerie Shirk. 10 kids, takes them all to the teabagger rally. Turns out that they're all on government insurance/assistance, because they can't afford that many kids. They had them anyway. Asked why she can oppose social programs when she's on one, she replied "Each of my kids is a blessing."
LOL HYPOCRISY.
Link to be posted when I get to my laptop.
:lulz:
I heard that story too
Each of her kids are a "blessing"
everyone elses kids are a pile of shit
The wing-nut right have really lost their minds. The blatant lies and hypocrisy levels have gone through the roof. If they do win big in November and 2012, who is going to spoon-feed them when things go wrong?
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on April 16, 2010, 08:00:20 PM
the thing nobody really gets, though, that Teabaggers as a group uniquely understand, is that democracy is a joke. No one really wants "The will of the people"; it's worse than a monarchy! Taxation with representation is really not enough.
What if, say, two decades or so ago, you'd have had some good protection against corporate lobbying in the government/senate?
Partially the "will of the people" is heavily influenced by corporate media. Recently I read a blogpost describing (American) corporations as "amoral entities". Not immoral, but amoral. Cause partially, democracy requires people having morals. Otherwise it turns into a hard and cold game theory game. Now the people, they have morals, even the stupid ones, even the fundies (they have some I disagree with), but if they get fed all sorts of weird confusing populistic lies by Fox etc it all gets muddled up.
I'll say it here, repost in the memebomb thread:
"Who controls the will of the people?"
Quote from: LMNO on April 18, 2010, 06:23:43 AM
I'll say it here, repost in the memebomb thread:
"Who controls the will of the people?"
Who runs television brodcasting?
Quote from: Kai on April 19, 2010, 12:50:50 PM
Quote from: LMNO on April 18, 2010, 06:23:43 AM
I'll say it here, repost in the memebomb thread:
"Who controls the will of the people?"
Who runs television brodcasting?
Who bites the sounds?
Quote from: Jenne on April 27, 2010, 02:08:10 AM
Quote from: Kai on April 19, 2010, 12:50:50 PM
Quote from: LMNO on April 18, 2010, 06:23:43 AM
I'll say it here, repost in the memebomb thread:
"Who controls the will of the people?"
Who runs television brodcasting?
Who bites the sounds?
Who can yell the loudest?
Quote from: Remington on April 27, 2010, 03:53:05 PM
Quote from: Jenne on April 27, 2010, 02:08:10 AM
Quote from: Kai on April 19, 2010, 12:50:50 PM
Quote from: LMNO on April 18, 2010, 06:23:43 AM
I'll say it here, repost in the memebomb thread:
"Who controls the will of the people?"
Who runs television brodcasting?
Who bites the sounds?
Who can yell the loudest?
Who rides in the mobility scooters?