http://www.popsci.com/node/45064/?cmpid=enews041510
"Cocaine is a hell of a drug, but getting shocked with a Taser while riding high on methamphetamines probably beats any white-knuckled cocaine experience hands down. And that's exactly what happened to some lucky sheep in a new study that tested the effects of Tasers on meth-addled targets, funded in part by Taser International. "
Isn't it great to be a human?
The entire distilation of my initial response is "FUCK YEW GOAT!"
More academically, I'm (horror pleasantly) surprised that we live in a culture where people who abuse and endanger themselves or others while under the effects of illegal drugs are so carefully watched out for.
Quote from: Richter on April 16, 2010, 01:09:52 PM
The entire distilation of my initial response is "FUCK YEWE GOAT!"
More academically, I'm (horror pleasantly) surprised that we live in a culture where people who abuse and endanger themselves or others while under the effects of illegal drugs are so carefully watched out for.
Sounds like its a great time to be a sheep! drugs and tazering for all!
Although the substance abuse in animals these days is shocking.
WTF is this, PETA?
What are we going to do, load up a bunch of humans on meth and then taser them to see what happens?
I don't know, I guess my sense of species and appreciation for science that could help save human lives is a little higher than some others. Some animal testing is cruel and pointless, but sometimes it beats locking a little girl in a cage and seeing how she does for 10 years without love, and what can be done to fix it.
I say this, BTW, not because I think humans are inherently "better" than other animals, but because I am one and I expect kinship to be primary. Also, I think it is reasonable to expect kinship to be primary.
Yes. Most of the debate with the (more reasonable) vegetarians I know, for example, is about how close of a secondary the non-kin life is, right?
Yeah; like, don't eat monkeys, but fish are OK.
Science is harder because the closer of kin the test subjects are, the more useful the results are likely to be.
I've eaten monkey. Spider monkey, to be exact.
I was wondering why sheep since they're not known for their, erm, aggression, but then I realized you have to have something approaching the body mass of a human being, but not so large that going on a meth-fueled rampage would be dangerous. :lol:
I so want to see a herd of meth addled sheep going on a rampage now.
I was in Amherst at some shitty little ice cream/hot dog/fried food stand. I went back to my car to get a bottle of water. A pickup truck had parked pretty close to the door, but only the cab part was really visible with this grizzled farmer looking dude sitting there. So I stepped between the two vehicles and then
MRARAMMRGRAAAAAAHHRA
a fucking screech from no worldly creature erupted behind me. The fury driving it, the pure hatred for me for being in its presence, was visceral. I turned, expecting some horrible thing and thinking of how I might escape. In the back of the guy's truck was a sheep in a little metal cage, a dull and bored look on its face.
I've never wanted a tazer so badly in my life.
In the experiment they sedate the sheep while they are being shocked. So not only is there no experience of psychological stress that might contribute to a heart attack in a real life case of tazing a meth user, but there are drugs (sedatives) in the sheep that may spoil the usefulness of the results. So yeah, since the methodology is lackluster, probably skewed to give results that the funding party wants to hear so it's not certain that the results of the experiment will be useful enough to justify the level of cruelty.
I'd totally be happy with this sort of study if it had more promise of delivering usable, concrete results, even if a more accurate study would be somewhat more cruel.
You know, I personally think that they ought to have used stupid fucking meth heads for this experiment, because if they're stupid enough to tweak, then they should be tazed for it.
:lulz: FOR ACCURACY!
Quote from: Professor Freeky on April 17, 2010, 08:04:18 AM
You know, I personally think that they ought to have used stupid fucking meth heads for this experiment, because if they're stupid enough to tweak, then they should be tazed for it.
I just wanted to thank and congratulate you for saying "tazed" instead of "tazered".
...but then I remembered that it's actually "tased".
Still, I'm giving you partial credit for showing a basic understanding of the concept.
B+
WAKE UP SHEEPLE!
WAKE UP SHEEPLE!
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(http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g235/LynneSin97/taser.gif)
Quote from: Jerry_Frankster on April 17, 2010, 10:08:11 AM
Quote from: Professor Freeky on April 17, 2010, 08:04:18 AM
You know, I personally think that they ought to have used stupid fucking meth heads for this experiment, because if they're stupid enough to tweak, then they should be tazed for it.
I just wanted to thank and congratulate you for saying "tazed" instead of "tazered".
...but then I remembered that it's actually "tased".
Still, I'm giving you partial credit for showing a basic understanding of the concept.
B+
JF, in case you missed it, I'd like to introduce you to this fine post by Cain: http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=24818.0
I'd really like to see a meth-addled flock of sheep.
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on April 17, 2010, 04:04:14 PM
JF, in case you missed it, I'd like to introduce you to this fine post by Cain: http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=24818.0
Cram's post is already relevant.
When you spell words incorrectly, people assume you're a dumbass. I, for one, would rather be corrected than continue to spell it wrong.
Also, taser is an acronym for Thomas A. Swift's Electric Rifle.
:themoreyouknow:
It ought to be spelled with a 'z'. Anything that shoots electricity at people needs futuristic letters like x and z in its name.
Spelling "taser" with a z actually doesn't bother me. I just hate it when people say "tasered".
For all I know, it may actually be technically correct. I just don't like it.
Also, good point Sig.
Thomas A. Swift needs to change his last name to Zwift. Clearly.
Quote from: Ten Ton Mantis on April 17, 2010, 11:38:56 PM
When you spell words incorrectly, people assume you're a dumbass. I, for one, would rather be corrected than continue to spell it wrong.
Also, taser is an acronym for Thomas A. Swift's Electric Rifle.
:themoreyouknow:
:lulz: I thought you were joking, but then I Googlized and Wikipediated it, and it turns out you weren't.
Quote from: Cramulus on April 17, 2010, 01:53:18 PM
WAKE UP SHEEPLE!
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(http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g235/LynneSin97/taser.gif)
That's an awesome emote!
Quote from: Professor Freeky on April 17, 2010, 08:04:18 AM
You know, I personally think that they ought to have used stupid fucking meth heads for this experiment, because if they're stupid enough to tweak, then they should be tazed for it.
They probably could have got some people to volunteer, if they offered free meth.
^ This.
Quote from: BADGE OF HONOR on April 16, 2010, 09:16:17 PM
I was wondering why sheep since they're not known for their, erm, aggression, but then I realized you have to have something approaching the body mass of a human being, but not so large that going on a meth-fueled rampage would be dangerous. :lol:
Sheep are mean.
Quote from: Professor Freeky on April 17, 2010, 08:04:18 AM
You know, I personally think that they ought to have used stupid fucking meth heads for this experiment, because if they're stupid enough to tweak, then they should be tazed for it.
I know a Bloke who had been up for four nights, charged up like a fuckin' rocket, on more amphetamines than you could shake a big shitty stick at. He was tazed by an uneasy pair of Scuffers, who saw him rocking backwards and forwards in a shop doorway, muttering to himself at 3 am. They shot him with two tazers, because he gave no reaction to anything they said or did. He said he never felt the tazers, except as a vague tingling in his spine, but he got really angry when they started spraying him down with pepper spray. And ended up with 2 charges of assaulting a Policeman, with intent. Got 3 months for it too. All he wanted was a few hours sleep. But he forgot where he had been staying. (hence the shop doorway)
But I'm fairly certain he would be prepared to offer himself as a test subject. For money. (Not even very much money)