http://www.azcentral.com/news/election/azelections/articles/2010/04/16/20100416arizona-concealed-weapons-bill16-ON.html
QuoteGov. Jan Brewer signed Senate Bill 1108 into law Friday afternoon. It eliminates the requirement for a concealed-carry weapons permit, but does require gun owners to accurately answer if an officer asks them if they are carrying weapon concealed. It also allows officers to temporarily confiscate a weapon while they are talking to an individual, including during a traffic stop.
"I believe strongly in the individual rights and responsibilities of a free society, and as governor I have pledged a solemn and important oath to protect and defend the Constitution," Brewer said in a news release. "I believe this legislation not only protects the Second Amendment rights of Arizona citizens, but restores those rights as well."
The law goes into effect 90 days after the Legislature adjourns for this session, which could happen in the next couple of weeks.
Arizona joins Vermont and Alaska in not requiring such permits.
"If you want to carry concealed, and you have no criminal history, you are a good guy, you can do it," bill sponsor Sen. Russell Pearce, R-Mesa, has said of his bill. "It's a freedom that poses no threat to the public."
National Rifle Association lobbyist Matt Dogali said the new state law would not violate any current federal requirements.
"There is no federal requirement for a permit or lack thereof," Dogali said.
The federal government oversees the background-check program required to purchase a weapon, which will still be required in Arizona in most cases.
Brewer last week did sign a separate law that exempts guns made and kept in Arizona from federal regulation, including background checks.
Arizona had 154,279 active permits as of April 4. Permit holders are spread across all ages, races and counties, but White males older than 30 in Maricopa and Pima counties hold the majority, according to the Arizona Department of Public Safety data.
The permits generated $1.8 million in revenue last fiscal year, according to DPS. The money is used to help cover costs for enforcing laws related to the Highway Patrol, operating the concealed-carry weapon-licensing program and impounding vehicles.
Arizona's permit process will remain in place, and many gun owners may still choose to get a permit. Permits would still be needed in order to carry a weapon into a restaurant or bar that serves alcohol. They would also be needed if an Arizonan wants to carry his or her gun concealed in most other states.
For those who do choose to get a permit, the education requirements do change under the new law. Classes are no longer required to be a set number of hours or include any hands-on use of the weapon. Those who don't get a permit would not be required to get any training or education.
Retired Mesa police officer Dan Furbee runs a business teaching permit and other gun safety classes. He said if most people choose not to get a permit, it will put several hundred Arizona firearms instructors out of business.
"It's going to hurt," he said.
But he said what really concerns him is that the new law will allow people who have had no education about Arizona's laws and no training on the shooting range to carry a concealed gun. The eight-hour class currently required to get a permit includes information on state law and gun safety, as well as requires students to be able to hit a target 14 out of 20 times. Furbee said his class at Mesa-based Ultimate Accessories costs $79, plus $60 for the five-year permit.
"I fully agree that we have a right to keep and bear arms," Furbee said. "But if you are not responsible enough to take a class and learn the laws, you are worse than part of the problem."
He said it's not uncommon for students to walk into his classroom and pull a new gun out of a box with no idea how to hold it and no understanding of the laws surrounding it.
"If you are going to carry a concealed weapon, you should have some kind of training and show that you are at least competent to know how the gun works and be able to hit a target," he said. "You owe the people around you a measure of responsibility."
This new law is the latest of several that have passed over the past year since Brewer took over the office from former Gov. Janet Napolitano, a Democrat.
Napolitano vetoed at least a dozen weapons bills that crossed her desk during her seven years in office, all of which would have loosened gun restrictions. In 2005, Napolitano rejected a bill that would have allowed patrons to carry loaded guns into bars and restaurants. In 2008, she also vetoed a bill that would have allowed people to have a hidden gun in vehicles without a concealed-carry permit.
In January 2009, Napolitano resigned to become U.S. Homeland Security secretary and Republican Secretary of State Brewer became governor.
During her first year in office, Brewer signed a bill allowing loaded guns in bars and restaurants, as well as another that prohibits property owners from banning guns from parking areas, so long as the weapons are kept locked in vehicles.
Gonna be 50,000 stupid fuckers getting arrested for brandishing, etc, soon. :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
Ah excellent, finally some relevant and positive legislation.
:lulz:
Am now taking bets on first year's casualties.
I LIKE IT
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Arizona joins Vermont and Alaska in not requiring such permits.
BUT
i'd need a permit anyways according to this, cuz i wanna take my gun to the bar
WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU ALLOW GUNS IN BARS?
Quote from: Requia ☣ on April 17, 2010, 03:19:40 AM
WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU ALLOW GUNS IN BARS?
Why do you hate Rights?
allowing them in bars is dumb, and her other ban on property owners not allowing firearms locked in vehicles i'm not quite sure, but as far as allowing carry without permit for people with no criminal history seems reasonable...
Dr. Semaj, what are the terms of your wager? :)
Nebraska passed a similar concealed carry law about two years ago.
Honestly I don't know that it made too much of a difference, being that plenty of people around here were packing anyway.
Although, I should add, that many businesses started putting up signs at this point that specifically stated your not allowed to bring a weapon in.
You're all missing the point.
All the restrictions on concealed carry still apply (no brandishing, no guns in hospitals, etc), but now there's no requirement on citizens to be educated in these restrictions.
So dumbfucks who can't be bothered to take an 8 hour class will now be carted off to prison by the truckload.
I'm not saying this is a bad thing.
QuoteYou're all missing the point.
All the restrictions on concealed carry still apply (no brandishing, no guns in hospitals, etc), but now there's no requirement on citizens to be educated in these restrictions.
So dumbfucks who can't be bothered to take an 8 hour class will now be carted off to prison by the truckload.
I'm not saying this is a bad thing.
Fair enough. I'm still curious about the drunken bar shootouts. They'll end up shooting everyone but the person they're aiming for.
Quote from: Dr. James Semaj on April 17, 2010, 09:02:52 PM
QuoteYou're all missing the point.
All the restrictions on concealed carry still apply (no brandishing, no guns in hospitals, etc), but now there's no requirement on citizens to be educated in these restrictions.
So dumbfucks who can't be bothered to take an 8 hour class will now be carted off to prison by the truckload.
I'm not saying this is a bad thing.
Fair enough. I'm still curious about the drunken bar shootouts. They'll end up shooting everyone but the person they're aiming for.
Historically speaking, that's what happened.
I wish Oregon would get rid of its concealed carry permit.
Mostly for the lulz. I think it would be nice if everyone assumed that everyone else was carrying a gun at all times.
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on April 17, 2010, 09:51:21 PM
Mostly for the lulz. I think it would be nice if everyone assumed that everyone else was carrying a gun at all times.
That's an advantage.
Another advantage is every wannabe Clint Eastwood is walking around packing some ridiculous saddle cannon, just desperate for a confrontation.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 17, 2010, 09:54:13 PM
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on April 17, 2010, 09:51:21 PM
Mostly for the lulz. I think it would be nice if everyone assumed that everyone else was carrying a gun at all times.
That's an advantage.
Another advantage is every wannabe Clint Eastwood is walking around packing some ridiculous saddle cannon, just desperate for a confrontation.
This. There's definitely a deterrence factor in assuming people are armed and therefore not fucking with them. But then there are people who are going to start to see crimes, confrontations, and life threatening situations at every turn because they're the rootinest, tootinest baddest bastard this side of the Rite-Aide.
America and its guns scare me. I think education on how to use em if you are going to have em is probably a good thing.
I also secretly hope that as my soon to be ex husband is prohibited for mental health reasons from owning a gun that some fucker shoots him for being a douche, or gets arrested for illegal weapon charge.
I like the UK's gun law.
Wait
does anyone think this is actually going to change anything?
Yes.
Like almost all laws it makes being lawabiding a tiny bit harder.
It's almost as if they don't want you to know what is and isn't legal.
Quote from: Rainy Day Pixie on April 17, 2010, 10:13:44 PM
America and its guns scare me.
Why? Most of these lardasses can't shoot straight anydamnway.
Quote from: Regret on April 18, 2010, 10:39:32 AM
Yes.
Like almost all laws it makes being lawabiding a tiny bit harder.
It's almost as if they don't want you to know what is and isn't legal.
How does eliminating the need for a permit that very few people use make it harder to abide by the law?
Removing an irrelevant restriction makes it easier to not unintentionally break the law, logically speaking.
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on April 18, 2010, 03:54:03 PM
How does eliminating the need for a permit that very few people use make it harder to abide by the law?
Because the law is fairly byzantine when it comes to carrying firearms, and the CCW required classes that taught people those laws.
Don't get me wrong, I'm 100% behind this law. But a lot of dumbfucks will being going to jail. Just saying.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 18, 2010, 03:59:22 PM
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on April 18, 2010, 03:54:03 PM
How does eliminating the need for a permit that very few people use make it harder to abide by the law?
Because the law is fairly byzantine when it comes to carrying firearms, and the CCW required classes that taught people those laws.
Don't get me wrong, I'm 100% behind this law. But a lot of dumbfucks will being going to jail. Just saying.
I bet those dumbfucks are the same dumbfucks who are already carrying illegally, and the people who would have taken that class and gotten a permit are going to take a class anyway.
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on April 18, 2010, 04:39:26 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 18, 2010, 03:59:22 PM
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on April 18, 2010, 03:54:03 PM
How does eliminating the need for a permit that very few people use make it harder to abide by the law?
Because the law is fairly byzantine when it comes to carrying firearms, and the CCW required classes that taught people those laws.
Don't get me wrong, I'm 100% behind this law. But a lot of dumbfucks will being going to jail. Just saying.
I bet those dumbfucks are the same dumbfucks who are already carrying illegally, and the people who would have taken that class and gotten a permit are going to take a class anyway.
No, not really. Everyone in Oro Valley, Phoenix, and Tempe will be running out to buy easily-concealable pistols, come July 1.
This is going to be your garden variety "I've always wanted to be Dirty Harry but couldn't be arsed to go to class" fat conservatard who is at the same time too afraid to break the law when it comes to
parking, and who will now get nailed due to ignorance, once he runs out and buys his "Spic-Be-Good". <--- Have actually heard that term for a pistol used in Oro Valley.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 18, 2010, 04:43:59 PM
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on April 18, 2010, 04:39:26 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 18, 2010, 03:59:22 PM
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on April 18, 2010, 03:54:03 PM
How does eliminating the need for a permit that very few people use make it harder to abide by the law?
Because the law is fairly byzantine when it comes to carrying firearms, and the CCW required classes that taught people those laws.
Don't get me wrong, I'm 100% behind this law. But a lot of dumbfucks will being going to jail. Just saying.
I bet those dumbfucks are the same dumbfucks who are already carrying illegally, and the people who would have taken that class and gotten a permit are going to take a class anyway.
No, not really. Everyone in Oro Valley, Phoenix, and Tempe will be running out to buy easily-concealable pistols, come July 1.
This is going to be your garden variety "I've always wanted to be Dirty Harry but couldn't be arsed to go to class" fat conservatard who is at the same time too afraid to break the law when it comes to parking, and who will now get nailed due to ignorance, once he runs out and buys his "Spic-Be-Good". <--- Have actually heard that term for a pistol used in Oro Valley.
:lulz: And I thought Oregon was hicktastic.
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on April 18, 2010, 04:49:49 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 18, 2010, 04:43:59 PM
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on April 18, 2010, 04:39:26 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 18, 2010, 03:59:22 PM
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on April 18, 2010, 03:54:03 PM
How does eliminating the need for a permit that very few people use make it harder to abide by the law?
Because the law is fairly byzantine when it comes to carrying firearms, and the CCW required classes that taught people those laws.
Don't get me wrong, I'm 100% behind this law. But a lot of dumbfucks will being going to jail. Just saying.
I bet those dumbfucks are the same dumbfucks who are already carrying illegally, and the people who would have taken that class and gotten a permit are going to take a class anyway.
No, not really. Everyone in Oro Valley, Phoenix, and Tempe will be running out to buy easily-concealable pistols, come July 1.
This is going to be your garden variety "I've always wanted to be Dirty Harry but couldn't be arsed to go to class" fat conservatard who is at the same time too afraid to break the law when it comes to parking, and who will now get nailed due to ignorance, once he runs out and buys his "Spic-Be-Good". <--- Have actually heard that term for a pistol used in Oro Valley.
:lulz: And I thought Oregon was hicktastic.
With the exception of metro Tucson, Arizona is a collection of caricatures. We really DO have the fat, smug republican retirees, the horrible fucking racist in the pickup truck, the soccer mom with 100 Jesus bumper stickers, the works. People here really DO obsess about the dangers of premarital sex, and honest-to-God believe that if Gays get married, their own marriage is worthless.
They also believe that Barack Obama isn't American, and has ties to Al Qaida. No shit.
You know, I find the concept that Tucson is actually the nicest place in Arizona completely terrifying.
Quote from: Requia ☣ on April 18, 2010, 05:07:15 PM
You know, I find the concept that Tucson is actually the nicest place in Arizona completely terrifying.
Tucson is a terrible place too, but for other reasons.
I know its terrible, I have been paying attention.
It still seems nicer than how you describe the rest of Arizona though.
Quote from: Requia ☣ on April 18, 2010, 05:41:38 PM
I know its terrible, I have been paying attention.
It still seems nicer than how you describe the rest of Arizona though.
That's because Tucson - for all its faults - has a soul.
Quote from: Requia ☣ on April 18, 2010, 05:07:15 PM
You know, I find the concept that Tucson is actually the nicest place in Arizona completely terrifying.
Have you ever been to Phoenix? It is outright terrifying. Pants-wettingly awful. Phoenix features the relentless odor of urine, the grim grayness of an Orwell novel, and the most depressing suburbs imaginable, with tiny, cubicle-like houses roofed in corrugated aluminum or, sometimes, fiberglass, surrounded by yards of bare gray dirt in which nothing can grow. It would be reminiscent of a trailer park with a dirt circle made by a neglected, anxious pit bull chained to a tree, except they don't have any trees, or anything else that's alive. Until I had my first exposure to Phoenix, around 1994, I had absolutely no idea that a place that terrible existed in the United States. Now that I've seen Phoenix, I no longer believe in the first-world status of the United States. All this surrounds a downtown area that is exactly like a downtown area from a architect's sketch, with every bit as much interest and feeling as every mall ever built. They might as well pump the aroma of Cinnabon into downtown Phoenix; it would give it more soul.
And then there's Tempe. I am convinced that there is actually only four square blocks of Tempe, and when you get to one end you're right back where you started from due to some convolution in the space-time continuum. Living there is a hell of repeating those same four blocks over and over again; the Motel 6 where my son was conceived, the 76 station on the corner, the condos, the K-Mart.
I went golfing once, in Tempe. Tempe is a place that makes golfing sound like a great time. Tempe is a place that makes you want to drive into Phoenix for something to do.
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on April 18, 2010, 06:13:29 PM
Quote from: Requia ☣ on April 18, 2010, 05:07:15 PM
You know, I find the concept that Tucson is actually the nicest place in Arizona completely terrifying.
Have you ever been to Pheonix? It is outright terrifying. Pants-wettingly awful. Phoenix features the relentless odor of urine, the grim grayness of an Orwell novel, and the most depressing suburbs imaginable, with tiny, cubicle-like houses roofed in corrugated aluminum or, sometimes, fiberglass, surrounded by yards of bare gray dirt in which nothing can grow. It would be reminiscent of a trailer park with a dirt circle made by a neglected, anxious pit bull chained to a tree, except they don't have any trees, or anything else that's alive. Until I had my first exposure to Phoenix, around 1994, I had absolutely no idea that a place that terrible existed in the United States. Now that I've seen Phoenix, I no longer believe in the first-world status of the United States. All this surrounds a downtown area that is exactly like a downtown area from a architect's sketch, with every bit as much interest and feeling as every mall ever built. They might as well pump the aroma of Cinnabon into downtown Phoenix; it would give it more soul.
And then there's Tempe. I am convinced that there is actually only four square blocks of Tempe, and when you get to one end you're right back where you started from due to some convolution in the space-time continuum. Living there is a hell of repeating those same four blocks over and over again; the Motel 6 where my son was conceived, the 76 station on the corner, the condos, the K-Mart.
I went golfing once, in Tempe. Tempe is a place that makes golfing sound like a great time. Tempe is a place that makes you want to drive into Phoenix for something to do.
The worst part is the people...Or, more accurately, the looks on their faces.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 18, 2010, 06:52:43 PM
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on April 18, 2010, 06:13:29 PM
Quote from: Requia ☣ on April 18, 2010, 05:07:15 PM
You know, I find the concept that Tucson is actually the nicest place in Arizona completely terrifying.
Have you ever been to Pheonix? It is outright terrifying. Pants-wettingly awful. Phoenix features the relentless odor of urine, the grim grayness of an Orwell novel, and the most depressing suburbs imaginable, with tiny, cubicle-like houses roofed in corrugated aluminum or, sometimes, fiberglass, surrounded by yards of bare gray dirt in which nothing can grow. It would be reminiscent of a trailer park with a dirt circle made by a neglected, anxious pit bull chained to a tree, except they don't have any trees, or anything else that's alive. Until I had my first exposure to Phoenix, around 1994, I had absolutely no idea that a place that terrible existed in the United States. Now that I've seen Phoenix, I no longer believe in the first-world status of the United States. All this surrounds a downtown area that is exactly like a downtown area from a architect's sketch, with every bit as much interest and feeling as every mall ever built. They might as well pump the aroma of Cinnabon into downtown Phoenix; it would give it more soul.
And then there's Tempe. I am convinced that there is actually only four square blocks of Tempe, and when you get to one end you're right back where you started from due to some convolution in the space-time continuum. Living there is a hell of repeating those same four blocks over and over again; the Motel 6 where my son was conceived, the 76 station on the corner, the condos, the K-Mart.
I went golfing once, in Tempe. Tempe is a place that makes golfing sound like a great time. Tempe is a place that makes you want to drive into Phoenix for something to do.
The worst part is the people...Or, more accurately, the looks on their faces.
What, you mean like the way it looks like their filters are so thick that they're constantly dazed, as if they had been hit in the head with something heavy, in order to live there without losing their minds?
I generally drive through Arizona as quickly as possible in order to get somewhere else.
Now I understand why.
Quote from: Requia ☣ on April 18, 2010, 07:02:55 PM
I generally drive through Arizona as quickly as possible in order to get somewhere else.
Now I understand why.
The parts that aren't in cities are incredibly beautiful.
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on April 18, 2010, 07:12:20 PM
Quote from: Requia ☣ on April 18, 2010, 07:02:55 PM
I generally drive through Arizona as quickly as possible in order to get somewhere else.
Now I understand why.
The parts that aren't in cities are incredibly beautiful.
Yes. Anywhere in Arzona that is a small community. Some examples are Bisbee (or is it Benson? I always get those two mixed up), Tombstone, a lot of really tiny places north of Phoenix.
Quote from: Professor Freeky on April 18, 2010, 07:01:56 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 18, 2010, 06:52:43 PM
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on April 18, 2010, 06:13:29 PM
Quote from: Requia ☣ on April 18, 2010, 05:07:15 PM
You know, I find the concept that Tucson is actually the nicest place in Arizona completely terrifying.
Have you ever been to Pheonix? It is outright terrifying. Pants-wettingly awful. Phoenix features the relentless odor of urine, the grim grayness of an Orwell novel, and the most depressing suburbs imaginable, with tiny, cubicle-like houses roofed in corrugated aluminum or, sometimes, fiberglass, surrounded by yards of bare gray dirt in which nothing can grow. It would be reminiscent of a trailer park with a dirt circle made by a neglected, anxious pit bull chained to a tree, except they don't have any trees, or anything else that's alive. Until I had my first exposure to Phoenix, around 1994, I had absolutely no idea that a place that terrible existed in the United States. Now that I've seen Phoenix, I no longer believe in the first-world status of the United States. All this surrounds a downtown area that is exactly like a downtown area from a architect's sketch, with every bit as much interest and feeling as every mall ever built. They might as well pump the aroma of Cinnabon into downtown Phoenix; it would give it more soul.
And then there's Tempe. I am convinced that there is actually only four square blocks of Tempe, and when you get to one end you're right back where you started from due to some convolution in the space-time continuum. Living there is a hell of repeating those same four blocks over and over again; the Motel 6 where my son was conceived, the 76 station on the corner, the condos, the K-Mart.
I went golfing once, in Tempe. Tempe is a place that makes golfing sound like a great time. Tempe is a place that makes you want to drive into Phoenix for something to do.
The worst part is the people...Or, more accurately, the looks on their faces.
What, you mean like the way it looks like their filters are so thick that they're constantly dazed, as if they had been hit in the head with something heavy, in order to live there without losing their minds?
The SMILE that says "Everything is GREAT!" underneath the eyes that say "
something is missing." And the slow, staggering stride that drags them to wherever they have to be, already in the knowledge that there'll be
no parking when they get there. Anywhere. And that you can never, ever stop moving, or Sheriff Joe will have you in his tent city by nightfall...or on a bus to somewhere that isn't the shining city in the desert. The City where there is, in fact, parking on the dance floor...And nowhere else.
I'm glad I'm not too familiar with the Phoenix area. I've been there maybe twice during daylight hours. Truly, that was enough. I had nightmares of those smiles for WEEKS after.
Why must there even be a Pheonix? Can't we just re-home those people somewhere north of there, and turn the place into an urban combat training facility?
Maybe if enough of them are redistributed longitudinally... :lol: Like around north Utah.
Sig, those people have obviously done something horrible in a previous life to end up living in Phoenix. I mean, seriously. No one WANTS to live there, it's a punishment by the cosmos!
Quote from: Professor Freeky on April 19, 2010, 07:48:00 AM
Sig, those people have obviously done something horrible in a previous life to end up living in Phoenix. I mean, seriously. No one WANTS to live there, it's a punishment by the cosmos!
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My mom wants to move there.
:x
Quote from: Professor Freeky on April 19, 2010, 07:48:00 AM
Sig, those people have obviously done something horrible in a previous life to end up living in Phoenix. I mean, seriously. No one WANTS to live there, it's a punishment by the cosmos!
Surely there can't be THAT many blameless people in the world, living in other places.
Quote from: Sigmatic on April 19, 2010, 08:25:58 AM
Quote from: Professor Freeky on April 19, 2010, 07:48:00 AM
Sig, those people have obviously done something horrible in a previous life to end up living in Phoenix. I mean, seriously. No one WANTS to live there, it's a punishment by the cosmos!
Surely there can't be THAT many blameless people in the world, living in other places.
Who said that was the
only punishment?
Imma totally :mittens: Roger's Phoenix.
Phoenix doesn't look that bad from the photos. Just like any other urban/suburban hellhole in this goddamn country.
Quote from: Kai on April 19, 2010, 12:46:59 PM
Phoenix doesn't look that bad from the photos. Just like any other urban/suburban hellhole in this goddamn country.
You have to get the city under your feet to understand, Kai.
Its a concrete suntrap where in summer you can wander around in the evening in a bikini top and jeans, hoping your trainers don't melt on the asphalt. The air is thick with smog and the water is so bad I was told not to drink it.
The earth is baked to red dust, the roaches are as big as mice (although for Kai this would be fascinating) and the biggest charm is the geckos crawling over the windows in the unbearably hot evenings.
It was horrible and had no weather to speak of, and I wandered around in permanent sunscreen to avoid sunburn.
You need to check your shoes for scorpions in the morning and the amount of bitey little bugs was something else.
Well, that's what you get for building a city in a desert valley, in close proximity to another desert valley with the name Death.
Quote from: Kai on April 19, 2010, 03:00:50 PM
Well, that's what you get for building a city in a desert valley, in close proximity to another desert valley with the name Death.
Tucson is much the same, but it isn't full of horrible undead bastards. Well, outside of Oro Valley, anyway.
Yea I have stated this before and I will state it again.
There shouldn't be anything there. The entirety of Maricopa county is a shit hole.
Quote from: Rainy Day Pixie on April 19, 2010, 03:04:56 PM
Yea I have stated this before and I will state it again.
There shouldn't be anything there. The entirety of Maricopa county is a shit hole.
This is a fact. And one day, my Fremen will scour that place clean.
If I do not drown the place first.
Quote from: Kai on April 19, 2010, 12:46:59 PM
Phoenix doesn't look that bad from the photos. Just like any other urban/suburban hellhole in this goddamn country.
no, it's definitely that bad.
I read that as
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 19, 2010, 03:14:34 PM
This is a fact. And one day, my Frenulum will scour that place clean.
Quote from: Kai on April 19, 2010, 12:46:59 PM
Phoenix doesn't look that bad from the photos. Just like any other urban/suburban hellhole in this goddamn country.
It's different, and there are parts of it that, for some reason, there are no pictures of on the internet.
Clearly a project is needed to photograph these undocumented parts of the country and put online.
Y'all speak the tr00f. My ex-best-friend lives there...with her now-converted-was-atheist husband. She wonders why "God" is punishing her by not giving her any babies. I think it's because she loves Phoenix... :x