Anti-Graffiti crews sacked Rome in 455AD?
Quote from: Suu on April 28, 2010, 03:49:41 PM
Anti-Graffiti crews sacked Rome in 455AD?
Have you SEEN the graffitti at Pompei?
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 28, 2010, 04:33:49 PM
Quote from: Suu on April 28, 2010, 03:49:41 PM
Anti-Graffiti crews sacked Rome in 455AD?
Have you SEEN the graffitti at Pompei?
Pompeii was buried in 79AD! The Vandals ran on top of it. Fuckers.
Quote from: Suu on April 28, 2010, 04:39:20 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 28, 2010, 04:33:49 PM
Quote from: Suu on April 28, 2010, 03:49:41 PM
Anti-Graffiti crews sacked Rome in 455AD?
Have you SEEN the graffitti at Pompei?
Pompeii was buried in 79AD! The Vandals ran on top of it. Fuckers.
Someone had to pat the ashes down to make sure that filth stayed covered.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1587707/ ~> I thought this was cool. I unfortunately am out of town during the advance screening of this at my local art moviehouse. :( But I still plan to go and see it.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 28, 2010, 04:45:37 PM
Quote from: Suu on April 28, 2010, 04:39:20 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 28, 2010, 04:33:49 PM
Quote from: Suu on April 28, 2010, 03:49:41 PM
Anti-Graffiti crews sacked Rome in 455AD?
Have you SEEN the graffitti at Pompei?
Pompeii was buried in 79AD! The Vandals ran on top of it. Fuckers.
Someone had to pat the ashes down to make sure that filth stayed covered.
:crankey:
Fuck your Germanic tribes.
Quote from: Suu on April 28, 2010, 05:20:00 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 28, 2010, 04:45:37 PM
Quote from: Suu on April 28, 2010, 04:39:20 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 28, 2010, 04:33:49 PM
Quote from: Suu on April 28, 2010, 03:49:41 PM
Anti-Graffiti crews sacked Rome in 455AD?
Have you SEEN the graffitti at Pompei?
Pompeii was buried in 79AD! The Vandals ran on top of it. Fuckers.
Someone had to pat the ashes down to make sure that filth stayed covered.
:crankey:
Fuck your Germanic tribes.
They were only trying to have a good time. It wasn't easy having a good time in the 5th century.
Their idea of a good time plunged the world into the Dark Ages. Uneducated filth that they were.
Quote from: Suu on April 28, 2010, 05:28:17 PM
Their idea of a good time plunged the world into the Dark Ages. Uneducated filth that they were.
Actually, that was coming anyway. The Romans had pretty much fucked themselves fighting the Persians, and their society was fairly rotten anyway.
Also, if you read Ammianus Marcellus, the thing with the Visigoths was precipitated with a murder of a Visigoth chieftain by a Roman officer, for no apparent reason.
If you're doing Roman history, I have a shitpile of original sources I could loan you. I am fairly certain I have all the surviving original stuff (2 large bookcases), with the exception of Vegitius and some of Livy.
Yeah by that time the Romans were fucked, I know. The Germanics were just looking for an in and knew when the right time was to strike. Constantine may have been a piece of shit, but he knew to move the capital when he did for more reasons other than the strategic position of Byzantium on the Bosporus, or it could have been even more devastating.
The Romans had it coming.
Quote from: Suu on April 28, 2010, 05:42:47 PM
Yeah by that time the Romans were fucked, I know. The Germanics were just looking for an in and knew when the right time was to strike. Constantine may have been a piece of shit, but he knew to move the capital when he did for more reasons other than the strategic position of Byzantium on the Bosporus, or it could have been even more devastating.
Well, not only that, but the Eastern empire was stuffed with resources, including people. It was able to last 8 more centuries, until the 4th Crusade fuckinged its shit royally, and then finally tore itself apart in civil war in the 14th century. It was basically not much more than a collection of villages and an underpopulated, run down capital city when 80,000 Ottomans showed up and finally put an end to their asshattery.
Damn... art talk is over then, hmm?
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 28, 2010, 04:33:49 PM
Quote from: Suu on April 28, 2010, 03:49:41 PM
Anti-Graffiti crews sacked Rome in 455AD?
Have you SEEN the graffitti at Pompei?
Yes. And here it is:
(http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/2419/italia0809217.jpg) (http://img688.imageshack.us/i/italia0809217.jpg/)
[House of the Mysteries in Pompeii. Contemporary caricature etched onto a wall, presumably of whichever Caesar was kicking around at the time. Resemblance to Mr McGoo entirely coincidental]
Quote from: Hoopla on April 28, 2010, 06:02:13 PM
Damn... art talk is over then, hmm?
Whoops. My bad. :sad:
we could split the thread into Suu and Doc's Romanophilia Thread of Wonders?
Done.
That's cool... sorry if I sounded like a douche, I was just enjoying the art talk, though I was enjoying the Middle Ages talk too... now both can breathe. Thanks Dok.
Quote from: Hoopla on April 28, 2010, 06:23:38 PM
That's cool... sorry if I sounded like a douche, I was just enjoying the art talk, though I was enjoying the Middle Ages talk too... now both can breathe. Thanks Dok.
No sweat.
Is there a list of the complete collection of original roman sources somewhere?
Quote from: Suu on April 28, 2010, 04:39:20 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 28, 2010, 04:33:49 PM
Quote from: Suu on April 28, 2010, 03:49:41 PM
Anti-Graffiti crews sacked Rome in 455AD?
Have you SEEN the graffitti at Pompei?
Pompeii was buried in 79AD! The Vandals ran on top of it. Fuckers.
...and I haven't laughed so hard since. At least until that crap in Pepperland.
Quote from: Requia ☣ on April 28, 2010, 06:27:07 PM
Is there a list of the complete collection of original roman sources somewhere?
The bibliography of Gibbon's
The Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire is a good place to start.
Also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ancient_Romans
Quote from: Requia ☣ on April 28, 2010, 06:27:07 PM
Is there a list of the complete collection of original roman sources somewhere?
There are SO many. Unlike Greek works, a lot of Roman work was preserved by the churches.
Quote from: Mangrove on April 28, 2010, 06:04:49 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 28, 2010, 04:33:49 PM
Quote from: Suu on April 28, 2010, 03:49:41 PM
Anti-Graffiti crews sacked Rome in 455AD?
Have you SEEN the graffitti at Pompei?
Yes. And here it is:
(http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/2419/italia0809217.jpg) (http://img688.imageshack.us/i/italia0809217.jpg/)
[House of the Mysteries in Pompeii. Contemporary caricature etched onto a wall, presumably of whichever Caesar was kicking around at the time. Resemblance to Mr McGoo entirely coincidental]
You wouldn't happen to have a bigger shot of that, would you?
Quote from: Suu on April 28, 2010, 06:56:13 PM
Quote from: Mangrove on April 28, 2010, 06:04:49 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 28, 2010, 04:33:49 PM
Quote from: Suu on April 28, 2010, 03:49:41 PM
Anti-Graffiti crews sacked Rome in 455AD?
Have you SEEN the graffitti at Pompei?
Yes. And here it is:
(http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/2419/italia0809217.jpg) (http://img688.imageshack.us/i/italia0809217.jpg/)
[House of the Mysteries in Pompeii. Contemporary caricature etched onto a wall, presumably of whichever Caesar was kicking around at the time. Resemblance to Mr McGoo entirely coincidental]
You wouldn't happen to have a bigger shot of that, would you?
Yes, I do. I downsized it as not to be a bandwidth eating douche. When I get back home I'll send it to you in original version. (I'm at my office at the moment)
While I'm thinking of it, I took a LOT of pics in Italy and have many Roman & Renaissance goodies. Anything you'd be interested in?
Anything in and around Naples especially.
Also at the time that Vesuvius erupted, it could have been Vespasian or Titus on the throne as Emperor.
Compare and contrast:
(http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/2419/italia0809217.jpg)
to
Vespasian:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f5/Vespasianus03_pushkin.jpg/449px-Vespasianus03_pushkin.jpg)(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/ba/Sestertius_-_Vespasiano_-_Iudaea_Capta-RIC_0424.jpg)
Titus:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b0/Titus_Augustus_Denarius.png)
I'm going to assume it's a copy of Vespasian from his Denarius, especially with the exaggerated nose and chin and fat rolls on his back, because Titus was on the throne a total of 2 months before the volcano went.
Suu,
Excellent stuff!
We were staying in Caserta nr Naples. Basically ground zero of the Commora crime family (like the Mafia only not Sicilian).
We went to the palace that was used in one of the Star Wars movies (isn't it criminal that is what I remember of the place rather than it's actual name?.....). Next day we hit Pompeii. That was followed by a wedding in a converted monastery.
Romans love satire and comedy and made fun of political heads much like we do today, so naturally an exaggerated form of an emperor as graffiti would be HYSTERICAL.
My SCA persona is based in the Kingdom of Naples, Sicilian by birth but moved to the mainland. There's unfortunately not a lot of in-your-face history about Naples because the late Renaissance was dominated by Florence and Venice, and Naples was controlled by Spain. So any pictures you have of architecture and stuff that I can use in my documentation would be great.
Quote from: Suu on April 28, 2010, 10:14:01 PM
Romans love satire and comedy and made fun of political heads much like we do today, so naturally an exaggerated form of an emperor as graffiti would be HYSTERICAL.
My SCA persona is based in the Kingdom of Naples, Sicilian by birth but moved to the mainland. There's unfortunately not a lot of in-your-face history about Naples because the late Renaissance was dominated by Florence and Venice, and Naples was controlled by Spain. So any pictures you have of architecture and stuff that I can use in my documentation would be great.
Ok, will see what I can do.
Quote from: Jenne on April 28, 2010, 04:46:42 PM
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1587707/ ~> I thought this was cool. I unfortunately am out of town during the advance screening of this at my local art moviehouse. :( But I still plan to go and see it.
That's opening here on my birthday. I would kill to go see it but I don't know if I'm even going to be in town.
Suu - Vespasian pic in full size.
(http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/2419/italia0809217.jpg) (http://img511.imageshack.us/i/italia0809217.jpg/)
OMG. They even drew laurel!
I'm so excited!!!!! This is AMAZING. I <3 funny Romans.
...Have another beer Ang. Okay! *slurp*