They don't think it's from the spill, but my mom called me freaking out, hence why I'm awake. :cry:
It could be natural, it could be from the Tampa Bay spill of 1990 that got sucked out into the gulf...but I don't know. I just went from being really sleepy to really mad in 2.5.
The majority of the oil is still 450mi off the coast of the Pinellas Peninsula, but USF is out there checking out the massive underwater plumes, and URI is on their way down there, as I'm sure a dozen other research universities with oceanography programs, and they say it doesn't look good. In fact, BP has already tried to get USF to leave.
What my mom wants to know now is if writing to the UK Parliament will have any effect, since BP is only a corporation within the UK. I told her that the UK is way more corrupt than the US, but she still thinks it's worth a shot.
Thoughts?
:|
It couldn't hurt. Worst they do is throw it out. If there's some international list for nutty letter writers, I think I'm higher on it for my last missive to Norway supporting whaling.
As you know, my brother is already jobless. They had to close his restaurant since business took a nosedive in April, even though the Tampa Bay area hasn't been affected (yet). He has another job waiting for him in September, but even that now is shaky, since there isn't going to be a tourist season this year.
...I can totally get him a job in RI though, not that he'll go for it. He can't fish year-round up here.
BP is an INTERNATIONAL company with INTERNATIONAL shareholders, and our government are hell bent on reducing public spending.
good luck with the anti british bullshit.
Quote from: Suu on July 02, 2010, 01:29:08 PM
As you know, my brother is already jobless. They had to close his restaurant since business took a nosedive in April, even though the Tampa Bay area hasn't been affected (yet). He has another job waiting for him in September, but even that now is shaky, since there isn't going to be a tourist season this year.
...I can totally get him a job in RI though, not that he'll go for it. He can't fish year-round up here.
Oh sure he can. The bay doesn't ice over.
You just need lots of long underwear, big wool sweaters, foul weather gear, and whiskey.
You're almost guaranteed that writing to the UK Parliament would be a waste of breath. If it makes her feel better though, tell her to knock herself out.
Quote from: Rainy Day Pixie on July 02, 2010, 01:32:20 PM
BP is an INTERNATIONAL company with INTERNATIONAL shareholders, and our government are hell bent on reducing public spending.
good luck with the anti british bullshit.
I never said anything anti-British, it's not like it's fucking news that you're government is a joke just like ours.
BP is a registered corporation in the UNITED KINGDOM. NOT the UNITED STATES. Your government is responsible and should do something just like ours, and if they don't want to listen to the US, then maybe the Mother Country can take care of them.
Well, I guess Clearwater should change its name.
Quote from: RWHN on July 02, 2010, 01:49:39 PM
Well, I guess Clearwater should change its name.
They shouldn't have ever been Clearwater, but that's another story.
Quote from: Suu on July 02, 2010, 01:48:07 PM
Quote from: Rainy Day Pixie on July 02, 2010, 01:32:20 PM
BP is an INTERNATIONAL company with INTERNATIONAL shareholders, and our government are hell bent on reducing public spending.
good luck with the anti british bullshit.
I never said anything anti-British, it's not like it's fucking news that you're government is a joke just like ours.
BP is a registered corporation in the UNITED KINGDOM. NOT the UNITED STATES. Your government is responsible and should do something just like ours, and if they don't want to listen to the US, then maybe the Mother Country can take care of them.
Huh?
Gotta go to work, can't discuss this now. BBL.
:argh!:
the tory government here will do fuck all. Hell trhey are so hell bent on reducing the deficit that they are cutting certain benefits that means it no longer makes sense for single parents in the UK to get into work if they can...
however... i found this list on the Scotsman website, on what the American government COULD'VE done bit didnt.
Quotebut these are 10 things that should have been done by Obama.
Since his strategy dealing with the spill seems lacking thus far, Redstate editor Erick Erickson has compiled a Top 10 list of things to alleviate the disaster that Obama could have done but didn't.
1. Accepted help from the Netherlands when they offered it shortly after the accident. The Dutch, experienced in the oil business, offered prompt help for oil skimming booms and plans to create barriers to stop the oil from infiltrating into wetland areas.
2. Suspended the Jones Act, as President Bush did after Katrina, to allow foreign vessels into American waters to assist with recovery without having to swap ships and transfer equipment onto American flagged vessels.
3. Suspended the Davis-Bacon prevailing wage laws, as President Bush did after Katrina, to allow rapid deployment of new workers to help with containment efforts.
4. Suspended FEMA contracting and bidding rules, as President Bush did after Katrina, to allow a more rapid assignment of contracts to assist with the recovery effort.
5. Allowed coastal governors to immediately begin dredging to create barrier islands.
6. Talked to BP's CEO to establish initial metrics for progress to gauge BP's response so the federal government would have ascertainable metrics to determine when federal intervention was needed. Heck, he should have talked to BP's CEO period.
7. Not imposed a blanket deep water drilling moratorium, further crippling economies in coastal communities.
8. Talked to experts about how to fix the problem instead of trying to figure out whose "ass to kick."
9. Not waited to act lest he be seen as owning the situation. Guess what? He owns it now so why is he still on the golf course?
10. Not have wasted time trying to blame the accident on George Bush before diving in to take responsibility.
BP MAY be a british registered company, but Transocean, the company who's rig blew is AMERICAN, is it not...
Things have been fucked from the beginning, true, BUT I am not sure what statute of british law would give us some way of booting BP up the arse, and besides, David Cameron is too concerned with the impact it could have on british private pensions.
But people expect OUR govenrment to wade in when yours cant pull its finger out of its ass, amirite?
What the fuck is the British government to do about this?
Who's to blame? The company, the de-regulation (by Bush, NOT Obama) and the MMS
It's a private company. What Brittan has to do with it is beyond me.
BP itself, not Brittan, needs to be held responsible and accountable for their mismanagement of their rigs/wells/facilities and apparent inability to create a clean up response.
It's their fucking fault, not the UK, not Obama.
It's BP you want. If you want to point another finger, try the MMS. Where they should have been regulating and managing they were snorting blow off each others asses with their dicks in someone else's mouth.
The oil is headed here. There's no fucking stopping it cause nobody fucking thought of the "what if" and if they did for a split second they shrugged it off and said "fuck it, PROFITS people, PROFITS". There's nothing we can do, the beaches are fucked, fishing is fucked and I have to live with this shit. Don't tell me I'm too far inland to care, cause I fucking do weather I'm landlocked or not, I'm an hour and a half away from either coast and it's MY state no matter how much I hate this place. I'm pissed. PISSED. The beaches are one of the very VERY few things this place has to offer and they're fucked. The whole economy here will suffer, not just the coast. Trust me.
DAMN IT!
Thanks a lot BP. And FUCK YOU.
Writing to Parliament will achieve jack and shit, unless you get the right MP. Try going through the list of MPs on TheyWorkForYou.com and find a Labour MP who rebels against their party, or a left-leaning, by UK standards, Liberal Democrat MP. Norman Baker, for example.
However remember the UK is currently ruled by an extremely pro-oil faction of the ogliopoly, and even the Lib Dems' second highest ranking member in the cabinet used to work for BP back in the day (the Minister for Business, Vince Cable).
I think it would be funny to write a massive petition to the UK government for this. Thousands of names. The "Fuck You" David Cameron would reply with would be lulzy, about as funny as all the people who started questioning his and the other Tories stance on the proposition.
There is of course precedent for Governments being held at least partly responsible for Companies registered in their domain, not entirely sure if it's ever worked that way for a Company who has pretty much the same amount of money in its coffers as its "Government" does though...
Also, you could always send a letter to the one and only Green MP in Parliament, who I'm sure would welcome any means of getting her name AND her message across the headlines.
Quote from: Turdley Burgleson on July 02, 2010, 05:20:08 PM
What the fuck is the British government to do about this?
Who's to blame? The company, the de-regulation (by Bush, NOT Obama) and the MMS
It's a private company. What Brittan has to do with it is beyond me.
BP itself, not Brittan, needs to be held responsible and accountable for their mismanagement of their rigs/wells/facilities and apparent inability to create a clean up response.
It's their fucking fault, not the UK, not Obama.
It's BP you want. If you want to point another finger, try the MMS. Where they should have been regulating and managing they were snorting blow off each others asses with their dicks in someone else's mouth.
The oil is headed here. There's no fucking stopping it cause nobody fucking thought of the "what if" and if they did for a split second they shrugged it off and said "fuck it, PROFITS people, PROFITS". There's nothing we can do, the beaches are fucked, fishing is fucked and I have to live with this shit. Don't tell me I'm too far inland to care, cause I fucking do weather I'm landlocked or not, I'm an hour and a half away from either coast and it's MY state no matter how much I hate this place. I'm pissed. PISSED. The beaches are one of the very VERY few things this place has to offer and they're fucked. The whole economy here will suffer, not just the coast. Trust me.
DAMN IT!
Thanks a lot BP. And FUCK YOU.
THIS.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Payne on July 02, 2010, 09:32:39 PM
I think it would be funny to write a massive petition to the UK government for this. Thousands of names. The "Fuck You" David Cameron would reply with would be lulzy, about as funny as all the people who started questioning his and the other Tories stance on the proposition.
There is of course precedent for Governments being held at least partly responsible for Companies registered in their domain, not entirely sure if it's ever worked that way for a Company who has pretty much the same amount of money in its coffers as its "Government" does though...
Also, you could always send a letter to the one and only Green MP in Parliament, who I'm sure would welcome any means of getting her name AND her message across the headlines.
Her name is Caroline Lucas, she is the MP for Brighton Pavillion.
The economic and environmental cost of the spill is staggeringly fucking disgusting, but as the ENTIRE WORLD ECONOMY is geared towards the consumption of fossil fuels every single one of us is over a barrel of fucking crude on this one. BP itself has more money in its coffers than the ENTIRE BRITISH GOVERNMENT! (as Payne pointed out)
So, what is the long term correct motorcycle? We need to wean the world off of oil before it runs out, need to change the way the First World runs, and figure out how to switch us all over to a green economy before the fossil fuels run out. First we need to figure out how the fuck we can sustain our current lifestyles in the First World without oil, otherwise we are not going to do shit, our addiction to a convienient life isnt going to change easily.
Biofuels are not a good solution, seeing as it doesn't reduce carbon emissions, and actually takes up valuable space that needs to be used for food production in the third world, and they seem to be shipped by diesel run tankers as it is, so a complete waste of fucking time. We need to be ploughing as much money as possible into sustainable energy and cold fusion generators.
The small changes are easy for some of us, but my mum still wont sort out the recycling even tho there is a proper bin out front of her house and everything so first easy step doesnt seem to be sinking in for some, so my next point seems to be asking the fucking impossible. See, the big changes that we all need to make on a national level will not be addressed in time to stop the human race falling into a complete Mad Max-esque clusterfuck when climate change or oilfail gets the better of us. Society is at stake here, and we sit on our collective arses and laugh at tree hugging hippies.
With the rapidly expanding population of the planet in the Third World countries we're fighting a losing battle, as why should the developing world stop developing industrially? Everyone wants a better quality of life, right? Population control is a massive factor, and it has been found that when women are properly educated family sizes shrink, so invest in female education, women gain economic power and ambition and don't want to have as many kids.
The main issue here is how the world economy is geared towards reliance on fossil fuels, how industry and investments work, and we simply haven't been paying enough practical attention on how to fix these issues. We need more research, more skilled labour in green technology, plus education on these fields for the future but unless the ones controlling the fiscal systems see the long term benefit over the short term buck, we aren't going to see a way of sustaining our lifestyles in a clean way in time to avert disaster. As we have seen from the economic crisis, this isn't how the system currently operates. We need change in the way banking works, in the way we invest towards the long term goal of running society off of green fuel options. I think we aren't going to make it in time.
We are a very self destructive bunch of hairless apes, and instead of slinging poop over the latest environmental disaster we should, (as well as focusing on the cleanup) be discussing the long term options and how to implement them, which is the big picture in the BP oil spill crisis that seems to have been overlooked. This makes me
really fucking angry, as well as Dubya not signing the Kyoto treaty,
seeing as a quarter of the world's carbon emissions come from the US, which in 2000 had 5% of the world's population. The human race seems incapable of taking responsibility for its actions and providing a solution for the future, and this makes me sad and very fucking angry.
Love, one angry eco hippy, trying to think practically into the long view.
Angry Hippie is Angry.
Also, for the record, I don't know exactly how much either BP or the UK government actually HAS. I only presume that BP has more immediately available capital, but I haven't looked at any figures that explicitly say so.
i did kinda lose my shit there.... :lulz:
Somebody mentioned the Dutch offered their help but the US refused. I didn't know anything about that, until I came across this story:
http://www.financialpost.com/Avertible%20catastrophe/3203808/story.html#
Holy fuck what a bunch of stubborn idiots.
Quote from: Triple Zero on July 02, 2010, 11:13:19 PM
Somebody mentioned the Dutch offered their help but the US refused. I didn't know anything about that, until I came across this story:
http://www.financialpost.com/Avertible%20catastrophe/3203808/story.html#
Holy fuck what a bunch of stubborn idiots.
why refuse help?
fucking eejits.
I suspect it's because we don't want to appear to be in need of help, least of all from you European degenerates.
stubbornness doesnt wash when it could have been fixable..
What can we say? We're retards.
I think it's our laws that can be retarded. Leniency in times of deep distress seems to be a failsafe the American legislature, in all branches, seems unable to have prescience to build in. It would make sense to have a measure in the ecological laws/guidelines that allow ships to do as the Dutch containment and water-cleaning ships do, in order to expedite the process. But instead, they can't be called in, along with most of the other 12 countries' efforts who've offered, due to our stringent clean-up laws. Those allow all contaminated water taken in by ships to be held and dumped elsewhere.
I knew it wasn't a "pride" thing...it's a stupid rubber-stamp thing that no one seems arsed enough to figure out how to get through Congress quick-like.
Unlike the motherfucking PATRIOT ACTS that got passed and raped us of rights right quick.
So yeah, shit like buttfucking habeas corpus can go through clean as a whistle, but allowing a small bit of ecological leniency in cleaning the water up through superior Dutch technology--eh, not so much.
(course, there could also be a "cherchez la cause" here and someone in the cleanup effort might also be stymying any effort to allow another government to help so they hold on to a monopoly, but I haven't heard of much of that quite yet)
The US government has never before paid attention to its own laws when they've stood in the way of it wanting to do something, so I fail to see why they would let it do so now unless there was also another reason, like not having Europe's largest energy company being seen as coming to the rescue of America. Ditto as for why the Saudis and Brazilians haven't been asked to help either.
The horriblest thing about that article is that, if I'm reading it correctly, if they had allowed outside help, the cleanup would have gotten several orders of magnitude more efficient. Like, just one of those Dutch oil-cleaning ships having the cleaning capacity of the entire machinery working there right now.
And the legal problem is that water needs to be 99.9985% pure, or otherwise it's not allowed to be dumped in the Gulf. Which makes sense for regular ships not polluting stuff, but not for cleaning environmental disasters.
So now the less efficient American ships have to sail back and forth to get rid of the nearly-clean water some place else I guess. And that, as the Dutch saying goes, probably doesn't bring much sod to the dykes.
(just saying, for those who didnt click the article btw)
Quote from: Rainy Day Pixie on July 02, 2010, 10:58:56 PM
Biofuels are not a good solution, seeing as it doesn't reduce carbon emissions, and actually takes up valuable space that needs to be used for food production in the third world, and they seem to be shipped by diesel run tankers as it is, so a complete waste of fucking time. We need to be ploughing as much money as possible into sustainable energy and cold fusion generators.
Random points:
All the widely used fuels other than coal and inorganic rocket propellants are "biofuels" in that that they were derived from once-living organisms. (It just bugs me when we use the bio- prefix to distinguish oil created from plants by artificial processes and oil created from plants by geological processes. Pendantry, I know.)
Grown bio-fuels may not reduce emissions in the sense that they are carbon neutral (all the carbon in a plant comes from CO
2 extracted from the air), but they
do reduce CO
2 emissions when used in place of digging sequestered carbon out of the ground. This is assuming you don't need to clearcut any forests for the land to grow the crops, though.
With regards to fuel crops taking up space needed by food crops, yes and no. Us Americans trying to use corn for fuel production is pretty retarded. (Using the husks and other waste biomass might be less so.) But there are a lot of other energy crops that can be grown in places where high-yield food crops don't grow well. Jatropha can grow pretty much anywhere, and can even be intercropped with food crops. It's also pretty poisonous, so we shouldn't need to soak it in pesticides to keep it growing well, and it doesn't need that much water, which is going to be very important soon. And if/when scientists get a breed of algae that a) has a high oil content and b) doesn't get outcompeted in the wild by species that don't waste as much energy on producing oil, we'll be able to farm the ocean and deserts.
Diesel engines are more energy-efficient (and therefore require burning less fuel for the same amount of work) then engines that use gasoline. From a global warming / greenhouse gas standpoint, using diesel in engines is actually
better than gasoline. The pollution associated with diesel engines is mainly sulphur compounds and high-weight hydrocarbons. Nasty stuff to breath, and causes smog and acid rain, but not significant greenhouse gases. Also, apparently diesel derived from vegetable oil or animal fat has almost nil sulphur content and allegedly burns cleaner, so "biodiesel" might work out pretty well.
Quote from: Triple Zero on July 03, 2010, 12:14:17 PM
The horriblest thing about that article is that, if I'm reading it correctly, if they had allowed outside help, the cleanup would have gotten several orders of magnitude more efficient. Like, just one of those Dutch oil-cleaning ships having the cleaning capacity of the entire machinery working there right now.
And the legal problem is that water needs to be 99.9985% pure, or otherwise it's not allowed to be dumped in the Gulf. Which makes sense for regular ships not polluting stuff, but not for cleaning environmental disasters.
So now the less efficient American ships have to sail back and forth to get rid of the nearly-clean water some place else I guess. And that, as the Dutch saying goes, probably doesn't bring much sod to the dykes.
(just saying, for those who didnt click the article btw)
HOLY CRAP.
You guys actually prepare for disasters, like, ahead of time? Your government has its
own fleet of high tech oil skimmers? And the government steps in if the oil company can't demonstrate that it has everything under control within 12 hours? That's
amazing.Over here, that level of preparedness is called "government tyranny." :? :cry: :x
(And we're physically hauling oily water away and storing it somewhere? Really? It's the fucking
Gulf of Mexico. Are we planning on just putting the entire Gulf in a reservoir somewhere, cleaning it up, and then carting it back? It's a small ocean! You can't move those around!)
It could always be stored where Louisiana currently exists.
GA, I dunno, read the article! But that's what it sounds like, yeah.
BTW, the Netherlands is not the only country that offered help and was refused.
Out of interest, who else?
Why the FUCK are we refusing help?!
Suu i think your Mum and other Gulf Coast residents should be asking your state govenors and senators this...
*assplodes in anger*
Quote from: Rainy Day Pixie on July 03, 2010, 06:58:07 PM
Out of interest, who else?
Hm .,.. I was sure that the article mentioned a few other countries, but I can't find them now.
It might have been another article or perhaps post on PD, or I might have been wrong, sorry.
Quote from: Suu on July 03, 2010, 07:04:55 PM
*assplodes in anger*
I'd have to agree with Pixie here, harassing your own various levels of government before angrily (and ineffectually) chasing up the UK government would probably make more sense.
I do still think at
some point someone needs to try and troll the UK government though, for the lulz.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Payne on July 03, 2010, 07:23:30 PM
Quote from: Suu on July 03, 2010, 07:04:55 PM
*assplodes in anger*
I'd have to agree with Pixie here, harassing your own various levels of government before angrily (and ineffectually) chasing up the UK government would probably make more sense.
I do still think at some point someone needs to try and troll the UK government though, for the lulz.
yea and giving Caroline Lucas a chance to harass the governement over green issues is something I'm all for.
/me voted green last election
Quote from: The Good Reverend Payne on July 03, 2010, 07:23:30 PM
Quote from: Suu on July 03, 2010, 07:04:55 PM
*assplodes in anger*
I'd have to agree with Pixie here, harassing your own various levels of government before angrily (and ineffectually) chasing up the UK government would probably make more sense.
I do still think at some point someone needs to try and troll the UK government though, for the lulz.
I believe the
Chuckle Miliband brothers are auditioning for the official role which will work out...well as about as well as any New Labour bootlicker attempting to be outre and edgy by criticizing the ConLib coalition.
Quote from: Cain on July 03, 2010, 09:16:32 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Payne on July 03, 2010, 07:23:30 PM
Quote from: Suu on July 03, 2010, 07:04:55 PM
*assplodes in anger*
I'd have to agree with Pixie here, harassing your own various levels of government before angrily (and ineffectually) chasing up the UK government would probably make more sense.
I do still think at some point someone needs to try and troll the UK government though, for the lulz.
I believe the Chuckle Miliband brothers are auditioning for the official role which will work out...well as about as well as any New Labour bootlicker attempting to be outre and edgy by criticizing the ConLib coalition.
And of course, next year the coalition will be attempting to "politely" troll itself in the run up to the Electoral (Elec-Troll-All?) Reform referendum. But I want angry Americans and indignant British tabloids.
Quote from: Rainy Day Pixie on July 03, 2010, 12:10:23 AM
Quote from: Triple Zero on July 02, 2010, 11:13:19 PM
Somebody mentioned the Dutch offered their help but the US refused. I didn't know anything about that, until I came across this story:
http://www.financialpost.com/Avertible%20catastrophe/3203808/story.html#
Holy fuck what a bunch of stubborn idiots.
why refuse help?
fucking eejits.
"the {Dutch} government dispatches its own ships at the oil company's expense."
same motive behind Bush ignoring the red tape. they only want to spent as little as possible cleaning shit up
QuoteThe U.S. government responded with "Thanks but no thanks," remarked Visser, despite BP's desire to bring in the Dutch equipment and despite the no-lose nature of the Dutch offer --the Dutch government offered the use of its equipment at no charge. Even after the U.S. refused, the Dutch kept their vessels on standby, hoping the Americans would come round
:horrormirth:
WHAT THE FUUUCK?!
Also, my local news just did a segment on the spill, what do they show? A podunk parade in Alabama. Ugh, fuck you RI. If it's not important to this state, they don't cover it.
I found something
here:
http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jun/25/nation/la-na-jones-actqa-20100625
don't know how credible it is
It's hard to say, I'm not sure of how credible the LA Times is as as media source, I just know that the St. Petersburg Times is gospel, and the Providence Journal is a fucking rag. (see also, my previous post about the RI FOX station just focusing on a parade in Bama)
But it wouldn't surprise me that the conservatives would be doing whatever possible to make the Obama Administration look bad, including saying that foreign aid wasn't accepted. They didn't know how bad the spill was 10 days after the fact or how bad it would become.
I DO know that the state of Florida has purchased machines that filter oil out of sand privately without federal aid, or at least, so sayeth the Tampa contingent of the Suus. Like I said, this news doesn't get up here, and I don't have much time to go digging for it so most of my knowledge comes from my panicky family.
The LA Times' credibility ranges widely. For instance, they employed the excellent Dexter Filikins, who wrote the second best book on the Iraq War, but also publish columns by Jonah Goldberg. Best to check the rep of the individual journalist.
Quote from: Suu on July 04, 2010, 03:38:36 AM
It's hard to say, I'm not sure of how credible the LA Times is as as media source, I just know that the St. Petersburg Times is gospel, and the Providence Journal is a fucking rag. (see also, my previous post about the RI FOX station just focusing on a parade in Bama)
But it wouldn't surprise me that the conservatives would be doing whatever possible to make the Obama Administration look bad, including saying that foreign aid wasn't accepted. They didn't know how bad the spill was 10 days after the fact or how bad it would become.
I DO know that the state of Florida has purchased machines that filter oil out of sand privately without federal aid, or at least, so sayeth the Tampa contingent of the Suus. Like I said, this news doesn't get up here, and I don't have much time to go digging for it so most of my knowledge comes from my panicky family.
I would venture to say that anything coming out of st pete is probably as valid as the orlando sentinel. in that it's just vague news with no real depth. just some facts haphazardly thrown together.
that's how florida does shit. half assed. at everything.
i mean shit, i'm barely using punctuation here and what's a capital letter? who knows.
duuuuuuuuuuuuuhflorida. i bought honey from a guy with two teeth off the side of the highway today. no shit. git off mah lawn.
Actually, the St. Petersburg Times is one of the nation's top news publications. They run Politifact and and a shit ton of other publications around FL, and have won something like 9 Pulitzer Prizes. They're also pretty liberal for a Florida, if not a southern newspaper.
Plus, ANY paper that will effortlessly rip apart their home sports teams without batting an eye is totally worth a read.
Seriously, when I worked for the NY Times, and then got stuck reading the ProJo and Boston Globe on a regular basis, I think my IQ dropped. I have a hard time trusting newspapers that have typos in their fucking headlines.
BLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEH!
I sorry your newspapr is teh shitteh. :sad:
Anyways, it appears it was a fuel sheen. Someone thought it would be funny to empty their boat's gas tank in the water. :|
some twat thinking it would be funny to empty a gas tank in the ocean - "it already full of oil, a little more wont hurt"
I hate the human race. We deserve extinction for our ecological arrogance.
Apparently it's been happening a lot now in the Gulf. I mean, it's a BIG body of water, and it's still very much in use for fishing and commerce in the areas that aren't effected, so people are just being shitheads. Ugh.
nsfw womp thread (http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=23760.msg893768#msg893768) :lulz:
http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/6039614-media-restriction-to-oil-spill-causes-concerns
http://www.nola.com/news/gulf-oil-spill/index.ssf/2010/07/media_boaters_could_face_crimi.html
http://news.google.com/news/search?aq=f&pz=1&cf=all&ned=us&hl=en&q=media+restriction+oil
Quote from: Suu on July 03, 2010, 06:59:53 PM
Why the FUCK are we refusing help?!
Because it's cheaper (http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/07/02/96959/why-so-few-skimmers-at-the-oil.html#ixzz0sh8NIcCZ):
QuoteFrom Washington to the Gulf, politicians and residents wonder why so few skimming vessels have been put to work soaking up oil from the Deepwater Horizon catastrophe.
Investment banker Fred D. McCallister of Dallas believes he has the answer. McCallister, vice president of Allegiance Capital Corp. in Dallas, has been trying since June 5 to offer a dozen Greek skimming vessels from a client for the cleanup.
"By sinking and dispersing the oil, BP can amortize the cost of the cleanup over the next 15 years or so, as tar balls continue to roll up on the beaches, rather than dealing with the issue now by removing the oil from the water with the proper equipment," McCallister testified earlier this week before the U.S. Senate Committee on Commerce, Science and Transportation. "As a financial adviser, I understand financial engineering and BP's desire to stretch out its costs of remediating the oil spill in the Gulf. By managing the cleanup over a period of many years, BP is able to minimize the financial damage as opposed to a huge expenditure in a period of a few years."...
A report released Thursday by the U.S. House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform included a photo depicting "a massive swath of oil" in the Gulf with no skimming equipment in sight. The report concluded: "The lack of equipment at the scene of the spill is shocking, and appears to reflect what some describe as a strategy of cleaning up oil once it comes ashore versus containing the spill and cleaning it up in the ocean."...
BP spokesman Beaudo said McCallister was notified his offer of skimming vessels has been declined because the vessels will not pick up heavy oil near shore. Beaudo said he did not know when McCallister was informed. McCallister said he received communications from BP on Thursday that indicated his proposal was still under review. In fact, he sent supplemental material Thursday, which was accepted, to show the skimming vessels will pick up heavy oil like that bombarding Mississippi's coastline. The 60-foot vessels, he said, can skim high-density crude up to 20 miles offshore. Equipment on board separates the oil from water...
"Just because it's a skimmer doesn't mean it's effective," Malvaney [who heads the Mississippi Coast cleanup effort for BP subcontractor U.S. Environmental Services] said. "There's a lot of people out there saying, 'We've got skimmers.' Some are effective, some are not. That's what we're trying to wade through right now."
But that doesn't add up when you take this into account:
"The U.S. government responded with "Thanks but no thanks," remarked Visser, despite BP's desire to bring in the Dutch equipment and despite the no-lose nature of the Dutch offer --the Dutch government offered the use of its equipment at no charge. Even after the U.S. refused, the Dutch kept their vessels on standby, hoping the Americans would come round. By May 5, the U.S. had not come round. To the contrary, the U.S. had also turned down offers of help from 12 other governments, most of them with superior expertise and equipment --unlike the U.S., Europe has robust fleets of Oil Spill Response Vessels that sail circles around their make-shift U.S. counterparts." -- http://www.financialpost.com/Avertible%20catastrophe/3203808/story.html
One of the two stories must be inaccurate, or perhaps they are describing different events.
Maybe BP think they should profit from cleaning the oil spill, not just merely break even? I can see them being bastards of that magnitude.
Well yeah, they're doing WORK, so they have to make profit, of course!
I think the media is jaking the fuck out of us. It's all one big game to them.
Well BP bought the local police stations on the coast where the oil is washing up (literally bought them, with new equipment, extra funding etc), I see no reason why they couldn't buy the media as well.
I know they're turning away the university boats that are going in. USF found all sorts of shit and then were, unsurprisingly, told to leave.
On a side note, kinda, I'm already noticing that the oil spill is starting to fall off the radar in the media. Olbermann still leads his broadcast with it, but most of the other news shows seem to have dropped it or buried it late in the broadcasts.
Well, the fact that Lindsey Lohan is going to jail is obviously of more importance.
You guys should both know that the only thing important to New England is New England-related news. So until Dustin Pedroia can walk on water again, you're going to have to deal with the masses lamenting his broken foot.
OH EM GEE TOM WATSON CALLED MICHAEL GOVE A "MISERABLE PIPSQUEAK" IN THE COMMONS!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/education/10549400.stm
Quote from: Suu on July 08, 2010, 02:10:18 PM
You guys should both know that the only thing important to New England is New England-related news. So until Dustin Pedroia can walk on water again, you're going to have to deal with the masses lamenting his broken foot.
Perhaps we can blame the dumbfoundingly long DL list on the oil spill? I mean, Youk spraining his ankle clearing off the batting box? WTF?
Quote from: Suu on July 08, 2010, 02:10:18 PM
You guys should both know that the only thing important to New England is New England-related news. So until Dustin Pedroia can walk on water again, you're going to have to deal with the masses lamenting his broken foot.
Apparently gulf states don't think it's all that important either. I'm not hearing too much about it in the news. There's some shit about Casey Anthony now and again and some dude that shot two cops.
Oil spill? What oi---OH that. Uh, yeah. Still there I guess.
It's going to be like the Iraq War. It's that serious thing that is going on that we kind of remember is going on but don't really pay too much attention to.
It's "tragedy fatigue," etc. Happened with every natural disaster (and not so natural, of course) so far--the media moves on and says the viewers are "sick" of hearing about it.
Because reporting REALLY REAL news about these items is NOT on the agenda, of course. If they did some in-depth coverage, they mind find MORE interest and not less. But that would mean cutting down time they spend on celebrity gossip, and shit, who wants THAT?
WHERE IS LABRON GONNA PLAY?!?!?!
HE'S GOING TO TELL US TONIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111111111111
OH MY GOD I CAN'T FUCKING WAIT, THERE GOES CLEVELAND'S ECONOMY!
IS OIL STOP SPILLERING YET?
I know one thing that would help Cleveland. If they could get the goddamn Rock and Roll Hall of Fame to induct some proper rock and roll groups.
But that's another soap box.
So, they should just suit up Mr. Awesome, Lebron in a pressurized suit, send him down there, and he can slam dunk the leak shut.
Quote from: RWHN on July 09, 2010, 02:23:07 PM
I know one thing that would help Cleveland. If they could get the goddamn Rock and Roll Hall of Fame to induct some proper rock and roll groups.
But that's another soap box.
So, they should just suit up Mr. Awesome, Lebron in a pressurized suit, send him down there, and he can slam dunk the leak shut.
SEND THE IDEA TO BP NAO.