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Principia Discordia => Literate Chaotic => Topic started by: Slarti on July 31, 2004, 04:44:58 AM

Title: r buckminster fuller.
Post by: Slarti on July 31, 2004, 04:44:58 AM
read about him in illuminatus of course. any of his stuff worth reading? i tried to read something about him online but it started talking about geometric synergetics or something and i was frightened off.
Title: Re: r buckminster fuller.
Post by: Trollax on July 31, 2004, 05:37:08 AM
Quote from: Slartibartfastread about him in illuminatus of course. any of his stuff worth reading? i tried to read something about him online but it started talking about geometric synergetics or something and i was frightened off.

Hyperspatial geometry not for you eh?

can't get enough of it... give me the list of his weirdest.
Title: r buckminster fuller.
Post by: Trollax on July 31, 2004, 05:45:40 AM
*slaps forehad* silly me... Here I am, sitting in a library with easily half a million booksinit, and I can just go to the science section and look up his entries in journals and periodicals...
*grins maliciously*
Title: r buckminster fuller.
Post by: Slarti on July 31, 2004, 05:07:56 PM
errr okay. fine i'll go read some stuff from him. trollax you keep adding stuff to my reading list..
Title: r buckminster fuller.
Post by: St. Pynchon on July 31, 2004, 05:40:26 PM
'No More Secondhand God' has some of his poetry.  Good stuff, IMHO.  An excerpt:

The revolution has come -
set on fire from the top.
Let it burn swiftly.
Neither the branches, trunk, nor roots will be endangered.
Only last years leaves and
the parasite-bearded moss and orchids
will not be there
when the next spring brings fresh growth
and free standing flowers.
. . .
Here is God's purpose -
for God to me, it seems,
is a verb
not a noun,
proper or improper;
is the articulation
not the art, objective or subjective;
is loving,
not the abstraction "love" commanded or entreated;
is knowledge dynamic,
not legislative code,
not proclamation law,
not academic dogma, nor ecclesiastic canon.
Yes, God is a verb,
the most active,
connoting the vast harmonic
reordering of the universe
from unleashed chaos of energy.
And there is born unheralded
a great natural peace,
not out of exclusive
pseudo-static security
but out of including, refining, dynamic balancing.
Naught is lost.
Only the false and nonexistent are dispelled.

And I've thought through to tomorrow
which is also today.
The telephone rings
and you say to me
Hello Buckling this is Christopher; or
Daddy it's Allegra; or
Mr. Fuller this is the Telephone Company Business Office;
and I say you are inaccurate.
Because I knew you were going to call
and furthermore I recognize
that it is God who is "speaking."

And you say
aren't you being fantastic?
And knowing you I say no.

At least a quarter of a billion people
sit quietly for hours in
darkened halls.
And they say they are "at the movies"
not looking at anyone or anything real.
They certainly don't see the screen.
I say they are looking at God.
. . .
and there is now only half a world left,
and one-half of our time remaining
in which to
"let our hair all the way down"
and say, "We have plenty, we have
the means, the ability, the knowledge.
Let us start the mechanism
to creative account;
not to vast and vaster destruction."

,ĶNo one in America will say that its leader
is overstepping his authorized bounds
if he takes sincere, forthright, and
adequately big steps
to accomplish world healing.

God will be handling the radio-telegraph
for such a mandated dictatorship; and
Democracy is not challenged by such a dictator
whose very first move must and will be
tidal-waved with Demos authority.

Stop "calling names"
Names that are meaningless;
You can't suppress God
by killing off people
which are, physically, only trans-ceiver mechanisms
Through which God is broadcasting.

But his requirement is dynamic and
if man-mechanism proves too inefficient as an invention
he will immediately devise a cataclysmic improvement.

- R. Buckminster Fuller, 1940


Don't let the math scare you, Fuller was a true polymath and his writing reflects it.  Just find the angle (or omnidirectional construct of your choice) you can handle and run with it.
Title: r buckminster fuller.
Post by: chaosgraves:agentoferis on July 31, 2004, 07:25:35 PM
I enjoy synergenics... It also has some poetry as well as hyperspatial geometry. really if you pick up any of his books and have an aversion to math you should be able to skip around and find some poetry philosophy or pretty pictures to look at.
Title: r buckminster fuller.
Post by: Slarti on July 31, 2004, 07:33:56 PM
i like math- the large vocabulary on the site just scared me at first. i'll check out hyperspatial geometry. what is it though?
Title: r buckminster fuller.
Post by: Rupert Giles on July 31, 2004, 07:41:38 PM
Quote from: Slartibartfasti like math- the large vocabulary on the site just scared me at first. i'll check out hyperspatial geometry. what is it though?

Do a google search for Klein Bottle.
Title: r buckminster fuller.
Post by: Slarti on July 31, 2004, 07:42:14 PM
ohhh i see.
Title: r buckminster fuller.
Post by: Rupert Giles on July 31, 2004, 07:46:22 PM
Oh, and just because this is a little personal von Kleist family irritation, and the name Klein brought it up, have you ever heard of a Leyden Jar?
Title: r buckminster fuller.
Post by: Slarti on July 31, 2004, 07:48:55 PM
nope. i have heard of a klein bottle but not a lyeden jar
Title: r buckminster fuller.
Post by: Rupert Giles on July 31, 2004, 07:51:00 PM
Quote from: Slartibartfastnope. i have heard of a klein bottle but not a lyeden jar

Good.  Because it's not a Leyden Jar.  It's a Kleistian Jar, god Dammit!

Carl Eric von Kleist, IV.
Representing for the Dead, Overlooked Family Members, yo.
*Empties a Pint of St. Pauli Girl out onto the Cobblestone*
Title: r buckminster fuller.
Post by: SMFabal on August 01, 2004, 02:58:48 AM
Ooooo .. annother inventor whose invention got someone else's name on it forever ... welcome to the real world.
Title: r buckminster fuller.
Post by: Rupert Giles on August 02, 2004, 05:57:02 AM
Quote from: SMFabalOoooo .. annother inventor whose invention got someone else's name on it forever ... welcome to the real world.

Hey.  I go out and evangilise Hienrich's works, too.

Kleist.Org -- Dedicated to Trackin' my Fucking Family (Warning -- German Site) (http://www.kleist.org)
Title: Re: r buckminster fuller.
Post by: Donkeyotay on August 26, 2004, 04:38:13 AM
Quote from: Slartibartfastread about him in illuminatus of course. any of his stuff worth reading? i tried to read something about him online but it started talking about geometric synergetics or something and i was frightened off.

The critical Path is good read
Title: r buckminster fuller.
Post by: Horab Fibslager on August 26, 2004, 09:35:01 AM
curiously enough, whiel tesla was having his ac power balked at, edison was pushin his way more expensive and dangerous in every way dc power.

if course we all knwo mr. edison invented electricty tho ;)
Title: r buckminster fuller.
Post by: ~~~~Closed~~~~ on August 26, 2004, 11:36:48 AM
Quote from: the lone space marinecuriously enough, whiel tesla was having his ac power balked at, edison was pushin his way more expensive and dangerous in every way dc power.

if course we all knwo mr. edison invented electricty tho ;)


Ironic isn't it?
Title: r buckminster fuller.
Post by: Not Nurbldoff on August 26, 2004, 05:02:22 PM
I second that "Critical Path" is an interesting read. It's the only bucky-book I've read so far but I think it's supposed to be someting of an overview of his most important work. It even has a "speculative prehistory" of humanity in it :)

I think some parts of the book are potentially-off-putting to some people e.g. those who don't understand the word "speculative" and those who have trouble with Bucky's way of new-word-inventing. But I'm sure none of these handicaps are shared by the people on this board!
Title: r buckminster fuller.
Post by: chaosgraves:agentoferis on August 26, 2004, 05:21:49 PM
just read numerology from " explorations in th geometry of thinking: synergetics"by R.buckminster fuller in collaboration with e.j. applewhite... and laughed my ass of... this is great stuff here.
Title: r buckminster fuller.
Post by: SMFabal on August 27, 2004, 02:16:31 AM
Quote from: the lone space marinecuriously enough, whiel tesla was having his ac power balked at, edison was pushin his way more expensive and dangerous in every way dc power.

if course we all knwo mr. edison invented electricty tho ;)
No, Ben Frankilin invented electricity. Edison invented everything that uses electricity: the Phonograph, Light bulb (Asian invention), MovieProjector, the silicon microphone(made telephone practical), and the list goes on and on ... only about 20% of "Edisons" invention where his - the rest were patents he bought from other inventors.

Other "false" inventors:
Henry Ford
?? Marconi
Galileo Galeli (Telescope)
Title: r buckminster fuller.
Post by: chaosgraves:agentoferis on August 27, 2004, 06:20:13 PM
other false inventors?!?!?


tupper


and oh what about that guy?!?!? huh what about him.
Title: r buckminster fuller.
Post by: LMNO on August 27, 2004, 07:30:03 PM
Ahem....

No one "invented" electricity.

They may have discovered properties pertaining to electrical current, but that's like saying Newton "invented" gravity.
Title: r buckminster fuller.
Post by: gnimbley on August 27, 2004, 09:21:26 PM
Newton didn't invent gravity?

What's holding me to the surface of the planet then?

                                                              ..... oh, no, I'm floating ......
                                            ...................
                             ...............
                  ............
Oops..........
Title: r buckminster fuller.
Post by: Schweinepriester G. on August 27, 2004, 09:40:16 PM
*duct-tapes gnimbley to a rock*
I just hope this rock believes in gravity or we need an electric monk