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Principia Discordia => Apple Talk => Topic started by: DiscoUkulele on July 26, 2010, 03:21:01 PM

Title: Is this a real symbol?
Post by: DiscoUkulele on July 26, 2010, 03:21:01 PM
(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj299/untheath/sign.jpg)

Is this a real-world symbol? I saw it in my dream a couple times last night, and it's been bothering me because it looks sorta familiar.

Fuck. That was a weird dream. At one point, I overheard someone threaten someone else by invoking the name "Mary Keller"- then the dream turned into a grindhouse movie trailer about her. Apparently she was a deaf/blind descendant of Hellen Keller, and a natural born killer because she was (according to the voice over) "born into a world darker than a sinner's heart".

Fuck. No more melatonin.

EDIT: Re-uploaded image to a better site.
Title: Re: Is this a real symbol?
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on July 26, 2010, 03:57:39 PM
Quote from: DiscoUkulele on July 26, 2010, 03:21:01 PM
(http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/8227/signgx.jpg)

Is this a real-world symbol? I saw it in my dream a couple times last night, and it's been bothering me because it looks sorta familiar.

Fuck. That was a weird dream. At one point, I overheard someone threaten someone else by invoking the name "Mary Keller"- then the dream turned into a grindhouse movie trailer about her. Apparently she was a deaf/blind descendant of Hellen Keller, and a natural born killer because she was (according to the voice over) "born into a world darker than a sinner's heart".

Fuck. No more melatonin.

Looks familiar to me too.
It's reminiscent of Theban Script, but that variation is not found in that cypher.
Title: Re: Is this a real symbol?
Post by: Cramulus on July 26, 2010, 03:58:38 PM
can't see image  :?
Title: Re: Is this a real symbol?
Post by: DiscoUkulele on July 26, 2010, 04:02:37 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on July 26, 2010, 03:58:38 PM
can't see image  :?

I just uploaded the image to photobucket and swapped out the image codes. Does it work now?
Title: Re: Is this a real symbol?
Post by: Golden Applesauce on July 26, 2010, 04:24:53 PM
I know I've seen that before too.

I'm thinking it was one of the older symbols used by the Marianists - a cross above the letter "M."  Or one of the astrological symbols for an asteroid (but I'm probably getting mixed up with Scorpio.)

The US Marianists use this symbol, which has the same general idea behind it.

(http://a2.twimg.com/profile_images/1079950022/tm_logo_bigger.png)
Title: Re: Is this a real symbol?
Post by: Cain on July 26, 2010, 04:30:32 PM
Looks like one of the symbols on the supposed "evidence" produced against the Knights Templar during their trial, though as I recall that was just a highly stylized version of the astrological symbol of Virgo.
Title: Re: Is this a real symbol?
Post by: Sir Squid Diddimus on July 26, 2010, 04:35:39 PM
It looks like a cross between a theban letter D, O, P, or R and the scorpio symbol, sorta
Title: Re: Is this a real symbol?
Post by: Pope Pixie Pickle on July 26, 2010, 04:49:44 PM
looks like a mash up of the astrological sign for saturn

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/89/Saturn_symbol.ant.png)

and either virgo (http://www.seiyaku.com/images/virgo.png)

or scorpio (http://www.tattoosymbol.com/zodiac/scorpio.jpg)

or an obscure rendering of Virgo, as previously mentioned
Title: Re: Is this a real symbol?
Post by: Cramulus on July 26, 2010, 04:54:42 PM
Quote from: DiscoUkulele on July 26, 2010, 03:21:01 PM
(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj299/untheath/sign.jpg)

Is this a real-world symbol? I saw it in my dream a couple times last night, and it's been bothering me because it looks sorta familiar.

it looks a lot like the alchemical symbol for separation, which I can't find right now

QuoteThe third operation in the alchemy of transformation. Symbols of Separation include swords, scythes, arrows, knives, and hatchets. The operation is symbolized by the sign for the constellation of Scorpio.





kind of close to the symbol for Virgo, too

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0c/Virgo.svg/50px-Virgo.svg.png)
Title: Re: Is this a real symbol?
Post by: Jasper on July 26, 2010, 05:00:05 PM
yeah I was going to say it looks like an inverted scorpio symbol- upside down and backwards.
Title: Re: Is this a real symbol?
Post by: AFK on July 26, 2010, 05:21:54 PM
That's just how we roll. 
Title: Re: Is this a real symbol?
Post by: Rumckle on July 26, 2010, 11:18:53 PM
The symbol (and the accompanying dream) means that you wish to have sex with your mother.
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(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_KRG734syqxQ/R_kFk2VXUlI/AAAAAAAAAKk/ULKw52Si0xY/s400/Freud.jpg)
Title: Re: Is this a real symbol?
Post by: Jasper on July 26, 2010, 11:24:30 PM
Quote from: RWHN on July 26, 2010, 05:21:54 PM
That's just how we roll. 


Dude...


I hate you.  :lol:
Title: Re: Is this a real symbol?
Post by: Sir Squid Diddimus on July 26, 2010, 11:36:10 PM
I just got that.
Title: Re: Is this a real symbol?
Post by: Triple Zero on July 26, 2010, 11:39:39 PM
Of course, there are databases for looking up symbols online :) Don't tell me you doubted that for a moment hehehee

http://www.symbols.com/graphic-index/

looking for your symbol leads me to Group 17 (asymmetric, open, curved+noncurved, crossing):

http://www.symbols.com/encyclopedia/17/index.html

it's not there, you might also want to check out Group 18 which contains the Scorpio and similar signs:

http://www.symbols.com/encyclopedia/18/index.html

But your symbol isn't there either.

To me it seems like the symbol you posted is an amalgamation of a few well-known symbols, as others ITT have already pointed out. Saturn+Virgo/Scorpio would be my first hunch as well. Seems like a reasonable explanation IMO, since nonsensical mashups of existing stuff are a common element in dreams (at least, they are in mine).

A crazy suggestion: you might actually consider dropping this question with our buddies over at the pagan/mystic boards. There are always a couple of smart ones, they might be able to shed some light on the interpretation of this glyph.

Regardless, we could also Law-of-Five the crap out of this one ourselves, courtesy of SSOOKN head of Aquatic R&D (that would be me):

It is the symbol for Saturn (http://www.symbols.com/encyclopedia/17/178.html), except the curved crescent part is doubled. This probably refers to the recent discovery of an enormous new ring around this planet (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8291905.stm), making this the new symbol for Saturn, including the newfound ring (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rings_of_Saturn#Phoebe_ring) (named the Phoebe Ring).
"[Saturn is] portrayed as an old man with a sickle and a pruning knife in his hands. It is probably from that way to portray Saturn we have our image of personified Death, the old man with a sickle." The sickle corresponds with Saturn's ring, and as the extra curve in your symbol portrays the new giant ring, we're looking at DEATH 2.0, new and improved with an ephemeral giant mega sickle of widespread mass destruction, death and culling. Hence the reference in your dream to a grindhouse horror movie.
The phrase "born into a world darker than a sinner's heart" probably refers to the dark side of Iapetus, one of Saturns moons, which has a dark and a light region (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iapetus_(moon)#Two-tone_coloration) shaped like the sections on a tennis ball. It is believed that the formation of this pattern was set in motion by infalling dust originating from the Phoebe Ring.
Title: Re: Is this a real symbol?
Post by: DiscoUkulele on July 27, 2010, 12:02:36 AM
Quote from: Triple Zero on July 26, 2010, 11:39:39 PM
Of course, there are databases for looking up symbols online :) Don't tell me you doubted that for a moment hehehee

http://www.symbols.com/graphic-index/

looking for your symbol leads me to Group 17 (asymmetric, open, curved+noncurved, crossing):

http://www.symbols.com/encyclopedia/17/index.html

it's not there, you might also want to check out Group 18 which contains the Scorpio and similar signs:

http://www.symbols.com/encyclopedia/18/index.html

But your symbol isn't there either.

To me it seems like the symbol you posted is an amalgamation of a few well-known symbols, as others ITT have already pointed out. Saturn+Virgo/Scorpio would be my first hunch as well. Seems like a reasonable explanation IMO, since nonsensical mashups of existing stuff are a common element in dreams (at least, they are in mine).

A crazy suggestion: you might actually consider dropping this question with our buddies over at the pagan/mystic boards. There are always a couple of smart ones, they might be able to shed some light on the interpretation of this glyph.

Regardless, we could also Law-of-Five the crap out of this one ourselves, courtesy of SSOOKN head of Aquatic R&D (that would be me):

It is the symbol for Saturn (http://www.symbols.com/encyclopedia/17/178.html), except the curved crescent part is doubled. This probably refers to the recent discovery of an enormous new ring around this planet (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8291905.stm), making this the new symbol for Saturn, including the newfound ring (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rings_of_Saturn#Phoebe_ring) (named the Phoebe Ring).
"[Saturn is] portrayed as an old man with a sickle and a pruning knife in his hands. It is probably from that way to portray Saturn we have our image of personified Death, the old man with a sickle." The sickle corresponds with Saturn's ring, and as the extra curve in your symbol portrays the new giant ring, we're looking at DEATH 2.0, new and improved with an ephemeral giant mega sickle of widespread mass destruction, death and culling. Hence the reference in your dream to a grindhouse horror movie.
The phrase "born into a world darker than a sinner's heart" probably refers to the dark side of Iapetus, one of Saturns moons, which has a dark and a light region (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iapetus_(moon)#Two-tone_coloration) shaped like the sections on a tennis ball. It is believed that the formation of this pattern was set in motion by infalling dust originating from the Phoebe Ring.

:aaa:

I think I need to lay off the Jung for awhile
Title: Re: Is this a real symbol?
Post by: Freeky on July 27, 2010, 12:15:25 AM
Quote from: Turdley Burgleson on July 26, 2010, 11:36:10 PM
I just got that.

I didn't realize there was anything to get, and I STILL don't get it.
Title: Re: Is this a real symbol?
Post by: Hoser McRhizzy on July 27, 2010, 12:45:54 AM
Quote from: DiscoUkulele on July 26, 2010, 03:21:01 PM
(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj299/untheath/sign.jpg)


A reference to the dreaded impending return of Saturn in Scorpio: 2012!  This means something!   :lol:



(also, 000 wins many internets - that was great)
Title: Re: Is this a real symbol?
Post by: dontblameyoko on July 27, 2010, 01:08:48 AM
Quote from: Nurse Rhizome on July 27, 2010, 12:45:54 AM
Quote from: DiscoUkulele on July 26, 2010, 03:21:01 PM
(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj299/untheath/sign.jpg)


A reference to the dreaded impending return of Saturn in Scorpio: 2012!  This means something!   :lol:



(also, 000 wins many internets - that was great)


Wait wait...Saturn really returns to Scorpio in 2012???

(My Saturn is in Scorpio and while i'm not a big believer in astrology, i do pay some attention to that kind of thing sometimes...and i do fit the profile for   my sun sign. but i digress.)
Title: Re: Is this a real symbol?
Post by: Hoser McRhizzy on July 27, 2010, 01:18:38 AM
Quote from: dontblameyoko on July 27, 2010, 01:08:48 AM
My Saturn is in Scorpio...

:eek:

Were you born between Dec. 1982 and Nov. 1985 (http://www.myastrologybook.com/Saturn-in-Scorpio-all-about-Scorpio-Saturn.htm)*?

You dangerous people from the Chernobyl generation (http://grandtrines.wordpress.com/2008/10/12/mayan-calendar-2012-and-saturn-in-scorpio-1/) will be beginning your Saturn return in October 2012.  This can only mean that The Disaster(tm) will be entirely your fault (and possibly DiscoUke's).  Ze stars, zey do not lie!

*I found the dates on the internet, which means all of the above is true.

[ETA some links]
Title: Re: Is this a real symbol?
Post by: DiscoUkulele on July 27, 2010, 02:12:15 AM
Quote from: Nurse Rhizome on July 27, 2010, 01:18:38 AM
This can only mean that The Disaster(tm) will be entirely your fault (and possibly DiscoUke's).  Ze stars, zey do not lie!

*I found the dates on the internet, which means all of the above is true.

[ETA some links]

Hey, hey, I didn't cause shit. I'm just the messenger.
Title: Re: Is this a real symbol?
Post by: AFK on July 27, 2010, 03:04:48 AM
Quote from: Mistress Freeky, HRN on July 27, 2010, 12:15:25 AM
Quote from: Turdley Burgleson on July 26, 2010, 11:36:10 PM
I just got that.

I didn't realize there was anything to get, and I STILL don't get it.

Er, um, yeah, it wasn't meant as a pun.  It was meant more as an :lmnuendo:

But I can see now why it looked that way, from me. 
Title: Re: Is this a real symbol?
Post by: dontblameyoko on July 30, 2010, 03:21:59 AM
Quote from: Nurse Rhizome on July 27, 2010, 01:18:38 AM
Quote from: dontblameyoko on July 27, 2010, 01:08:48 AM
My Saturn is in Scorpio...

:eek:

Were you born between Dec. 1982 and Nov. 1985 (http://www.myastrologybook.com/Saturn-in-Scorpio-all-about-Scorpio-Saturn.htm)*?

You dangerous people from the Chernobyl generation (http://grandtrines.wordpress.com/2008/10/12/mayan-calendar-2012-and-saturn-in-scorpio-1/) will be beginning your Saturn return in October 2012.  This can only mean that The Disaster(tm) will be entirely your fault (and possibly DiscoUke's).  Ze stars, zey do not lie!

*I found the dates on the internet, which means all of the above is true.

[ETA some links]


My birth did indeed take place in that timespan.  But the Chernobyl disaster did not.
Title: Re: Is this a real symbol?
Post by: Jasper on July 30, 2010, 07:26:08 AM
Hmm, Nov. '85?  Missed it by THAT much.