http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2010/07/25/nr.lemon.americans.deported.cnn?hpt=T2
Researchers say that every day, an American is wrongfully deported, and some worry the problem could get worse.
http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/5842f802d3/born-in-east-la-from-cheechandchong
I can't wait for the AZ laws to take effect. :lulz:
Quote from: Doktor Howl on July 26, 2010, 04:59:54 PM
I can't wait for the AZ laws to take effect. :lulz:
Exactly.
In a drive to crack down on illegal immigrants, the United States has locked up or thrown out dozens, probably many more, of its own citizens over the past eight years. A monthslong AP investigation has documented 55 such cases, on the basis of interviews, lawsuits and documents obtained under the Freedom of Information Act. These citizens are detained for anything from a day to five years. Immigration lawyers say there are actually hundreds of such cases.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30180729/
Rachel Rosenbloom, a professor from Northwestern School of Law who is an expert in immigration law, said that these cases are more common than many think. Rosenbloom told CNN that with the new Arizona law coming into effect, we may see even more American citizens wrongfully deported.
Legal representation is not provided for those who are accused of illegal immigration during a deportation case.
http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2010/07/report_hundreds_of_us_citizens.html
thats pretty fucked up, IMO.
The main targets of this will be legal hispanics and blacks, too poor to hire a lawyer and subsequently its racist and elitist bullshit.
oh and some of the comments on that last list made me want to :asplode:
There colud be some decent trolling opportunities to be had there.
Wonder how long before some reporter get's his or herself deported and blows all of this apart?
Quote from: Khara on July 26, 2010, 05:30:04 PM
Wonder how long before some reporter get's his or herself deported and blows all of this apart?
now that would be an awesome piece of investigative journalism.
Quote from: Rainy Day Pixie on July 26, 2010, 05:34:41 PM
Quote from: Khara on July 26, 2010, 05:30:04 PM
Wonder how long before some reporter get's his or herself deported and blows all of this apart?
now that would be an awesome piece of investigative journalism.
Which means it will never happen.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on July 26, 2010, 05:56:27 PM
Quote from: Rainy Day Pixie on July 26, 2010, 05:34:41 PM
Quote from: Khara on July 26, 2010, 05:30:04 PM
Wonder how long before some reporter get's his or herself deported and blows all of this apart?
now that would be an awesome piece of investigative journalism.
Which means it will never happen.
Yeah once I thought on it, I pretty much figured that.
We'll just have to hope they deport the "wrong" citizen who can get the press needed to fuck shit up, after they get back to the states.
Or if we get lucky there is some journalist out there who still believes in the truth..... nevermind.... my stupidity.
I made a post simply repeating what the Good Doktor Charley Brown already mentioned and then realized his link went to the same place... So, I will add it is not bad for Cheech Marin's later works.
I repeat from another fread--check out what's happening in Nebraska. AZ was only the tip of the paraoiac iceburg...unfortunately. I'm hoping it's a "trend" and will blow over.
But it's a faint, small hope at that, and I'm breathing freely with no breath held back.
Quote from: Khara on July 26, 2010, 06:00:03 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on July 26, 2010, 05:56:27 PM
Quote from: Rainy Day Pixie on July 26, 2010, 05:34:41 PM
Quote from: Khara on July 26, 2010, 05:30:04 PM
Wonder how long before some reporter get's his or herself deported and blows all of this apart?
now that would be an awesome piece of investigative journalism.
Which means it will never happen.
Yeah once I thought on it, I pretty much figured that.
We'll just have to hope they deport the "wrong" citizen who can get the press needed to fuck shit up, after they get back to the states.
Or if we get lucky there is some journalist out there who still believes in the truth..... nevermind.... my stupidity.
Anybody with enough power to get the press on their side wouldn't be wrongfully deported. The System Works for anybody well connected enough to get their voice heard.
...till it doesn't. Even the mighty can fall. *has seen it happen* And sometimes, SOMETIMES, shit can change.
Quote from: Jenne on July 28, 2010, 03:54:46 AM
I repeat from another fread--check out what's happening in Nebraska. AZ was only the tip of the paraoiac iceburg...unfortunately. I'm hoping it's a "trend" and will blow over.
But it's a faint, small hope at that, and I'm breathing freely with no breath held back.
No, I think we're just going to see more and more of it, particularly in the Southwest. We can thank the Tea Party movement for pushing public opinion to a ridiculuous place.
The tolerance from the general public for out-and-out prejudice, bigotry, and xenophobia is downright astounding these days.
Post-racial period my ass.
Quote from: Nephew Twiddleton on July 28, 2010, 02:05:54 PM
Quote from: Jenne on July 28, 2010, 03:54:46 AM
I repeat from another fread--check out what's happening in Nebraska. AZ was only the tip of the paraoiac iceburg...unfortunately. I'm hoping it's a "trend" and will blow over.
But it's a faint, small hope at that, and I'm breathing freely with no breath held back.
No, I think we're just going to see more and more of it, particularly in the Southwest. We can thank the Tea Party movement for pushing public opinion to a ridiculuous place.
I know. It's like the n-word is back in force as it was originally intended to be a couple hundred years ago.
The latent prejudice can astound those of us who haven't lived/visited a "red state" or grew up with it all their lives. I remember how shocked I was seeing it in my own relatives growing up--I argued them into the ground about how God did NOT send the Blacks to steal "our women and our jobs." :x
Quote from: RWHN on July 28, 2010, 02:07:44 PM
The tolerance from the general public for out-and-out prejudice, bigotry, and xenophobia is downright astounding these days.
Post-racial period my ass.
I dunno, I think we just duped ourselves into thinking it's not there...but it always has been, and it only took electing Obama to show just how nasty the underbelly really is, now that it's fully exposed.
Quote from: RWHN on July 28, 2010, 02:07:44 PM
The tolerance from the general public for out-and-out prejudice, bigotry, and xenophobia is downright astounding these days.
Post-racial period my ass.
Yeah. It's one of the few things that changes my mood almost instantaneously.
Quote from: Jenne on July 28, 2010, 02:24:54 PM
Quote from: Nephew Twiddleton on July 28, 2010, 02:05:54 PM
Quote from: Jenne on July 28, 2010, 03:54:46 AM
I repeat from another fread--check out what's happening in Nebraska. AZ was only the tip of the paraoiac iceburg...unfortunately. I'm hoping it's a "trend" and will blow over.
But it's a faint, small hope at that, and I'm breathing freely with no breath held back.
No, I think we're just going to see more and more of it, particularly in the Southwest. We can thank the Tea Party movement for pushing public opinion to a ridiculuous place.
I know. It's like the n-word is back in force as it was originally intended to be a couple hundred years ago.
The latent prejudice can astound those of us who haven't lived/visited a "red state" or grew up with it all their lives. I remember how shocked I was seeing it in my own relatives growing up--I argued them into the ground about how God did NOT send the Blacks to steal "our women and our jobs." :x
I definitely fall into that category. The most conservative people in my family are Kennedy-era Democrats. The only red states I've been to, I've visited only briefly or are New Hampshire, which doesn't count. I think out of those red states, all of them went blue in this last election, so...
Yeah, after visiting the Politics section of Yahoo Answers, I've pretty much given up on the American voter. The Palin cult pissed me off to begin with but just the sheer idiocy demonstrated by some of these people...
Quote from: Jenne on July 28, 2010, 02:26:13 PM
Quote from: RWHN on July 28, 2010, 02:07:44 PM
The tolerance from the general public for out-and-out prejudice, bigotry, and xenophobia is downright astounding these days.
Post-racial period my ass.
I dunno, I think we just duped ourselves into thinking it's not there...but it always has been, and it only took electing Obama to show just how nasty the underbelly really is, now that it's fully exposed.
Yeah, I think you are spot on. We've been distracted by war and economic collapse that we haven't really been focused on it.
Quote from: Nephew Twiddleton on July 28, 2010, 02:35:13 PM
Quote from: Jenne on July 28, 2010, 02:24:54 PM
Quote from: Nephew Twiddleton on July 28, 2010, 02:05:54 PM
Quote from: Jenne on July 28, 2010, 03:54:46 AM
I repeat from another fread--check out what's happening in Nebraska. AZ was only the tip of the paraoiac iceburg...unfortunately. I'm hoping it's a "trend" and will blow over.
But it's a faint, small hope at that, and I'm breathing freely with no breath held back.
No, I think we're just going to see more and more of it, particularly in the Southwest. We can thank the Tea Party movement for pushing public opinion to a ridiculuous place.
I know. It's like the n-word is back in force as it was originally intended to be a couple hundred years ago.
The latent prejudice can astound those of us who haven't lived/visited a "red state" or grew up with it all their lives. I remember how shocked I was seeing it in my own relatives growing up--I argued them into the ground about how God did NOT send the Blacks to steal "our women and our jobs." :x
I definitely fall into that category. The most conservative people in my family are Kennedy-era Democrats. The only red states I've been to, I've visited only briefly or are New Hampshire, which doesn't count. I think out of those red states, all of them went blue in this last election, so...
Yeah, after visiting the Politics section of Yahoo Answers, I've pretty much given up on the American voter. The Palin cult pissed me off to begin with but just the sheer idiocy demonstrated by some of these people...
Why these people who respond this way think they are not racist (and boyhowdy do they EVER argue about that one word--"Naw, I'm not RACIST, I just think all brown people need to GIT OFF MAH LAND!") is beyond me. They need someone (school-type people? pundits? Jon Stewart is trying...) in their faces REMINDING them what racism truly is, what it sounds like, and watch "Mississippi Burning" again. Or something.
Quote from: RWHN on July 28, 2010, 02:37:24 PM
Quote from: Jenne on July 28, 2010, 02:26:13 PM
Quote from: RWHN on July 28, 2010, 02:07:44 PM
The tolerance from the general public for out-and-out prejudice, bigotry, and xenophobia is downright astounding these days.
Post-racial period my ass.
I dunno, I think we just duped ourselves into thinking it's not there...but it always has been, and it only took electing Obama to show just how nasty the underbelly really is, now that it's fully exposed.
Yeah, I think you are spot on. We've been distracted by war and economic collapse that we haven't really been focused on it.
And the victims are so used to it, they just don't bother to complain anymore. I do enjoy the "what more did you expect" attitude from the Latino and Black communities, though. They are raising their eyebrows at the SHOCKED, QUITE SHOCKED! liberal elite who said racism was eradicated in the 80's.
Quote from: Jenne on July 28, 2010, 02:42:53 PM
Quote from: Nephew Twiddleton on July 28, 2010, 02:35:13 PM
Quote from: Jenne on July 28, 2010, 02:24:54 PM
Quote from: Nephew Twiddleton on July 28, 2010, 02:05:54 PM
Quote from: Jenne on July 28, 2010, 03:54:46 AM
I repeat from another fread--check out what's happening in Nebraska. AZ was only the tip of the paraoiac iceburg...unfortunately. I'm hoping it's a "trend" and will blow over.
But it's a faint, small hope at that, and I'm breathing freely with no breath held back.
No, I think we're just going to see more and more of it, particularly in the Southwest. We can thank the Tea Party movement for pushing public opinion to a ridiculuous place.
I know. It's like the n-word is back in force as it was originally intended to be a couple hundred years ago.
The latent prejudice can astound those of us who haven't lived/visited a "red state" or grew up with it all their lives. I remember how shocked I was seeing it in my own relatives growing up--I argued them into the ground about how God did NOT send the Blacks to steal "our women and our jobs." :x
I definitely fall into that category. The most conservative people in my family are Kennedy-era Democrats. The only red states I've been to, I've visited only briefly or are New Hampshire, which doesn't count. I think out of those red states, all of them went blue in this last election, so...
Yeah, after visiting the Politics section of Yahoo Answers, I've pretty much given up on the American voter. The Palin cult pissed me off to begin with but just the sheer idiocy demonstrated by some of these people...
Why these people who respond this way think they are not racist (and boyhowdy do they EVER argue about that one word--"Naw, I'm not RACIST, I just think all brown people need to GIT OFF MAH LAND!") is beyond me. They need someone (school-type people? pundits? Jon Stewart is trying...) in their faces REMINDING them what racism truly is, what it sounds like, and watch "Mississippi Burning" again. Or something.
Even further than that-- the whole "I'm just defending the rights of caucasians, the new minority" as if suddenly the white man is being oppressed with taxes and socialism. It's straight out of Klan/Neo-Nazi mentality. Somehow Obama is a black supremacist, even though half his family is white.
:lol: Yeah, they like to focus on the "Muslim, Kenyan" part and not the um, WHITE FOR CENTURIES on the mother's side part...
Actually, to be honest, it's not the devolution into the race game that bothers me, it's the resurgence of all that "watermelon-eatin', chicken-fryin', black face-wearing" rhetoric that was shameful 30 years ago but is now seemingly de rigueur and FUNNAY.
They find it funny.
Sigh.
OH, and what's with Fux News's and the media in general's usage of "reverse racism"? What's in reverse, here? "Racist" only means against "people of color" aka ethnic minorities? When it's agains whites it's in "reverse"? I guess I could google how this came to be, but dammit, it's all the same thing, innit? Racism is racism...reverse should be uh, lack of racism?
Ah, seems it's more or less a legal term. Leave it to the lawyers. From answers.com:
Discrimination against members of a dominant or majority group, especially when resulting from policies established to correct discrimination against members of a minority or disadvantaged group.
I for one look forward to the day when most Americans are some shade of brown and all this bullshit will finally end.
Quote from: Zyzyx on July 28, 2010, 04:25:46 PM
I for one look forward to the day when most Americans are some shade of brown and all this bullshit will finally end.
Racist! /tongue in cheek
...and I'm not sure that will ever happen. The us v. them mentality is monkey-made.
Yeah, we would literally all have to be the exact same hue. I mean, just look at the social biases in places like Brazil and the Middle East, where it doesn't matter if they're all brownish, the lighter skinned people are still considered more attractive/'better'.
Physical differences will always be used by the ignorant in order to create a power heirarchy.
Quote from: RWHN on July 28, 2010, 02:07:44 PM
The tolerance from the general public for out-and-out prejudice, bigotry, and xenophobia is downright astounding these days.
Post-racial period my ass.
Backlash, I think.
That, and kids have finally found a way to piss off their hippie parents.
Quote from: Doktor Alphapance on July 28, 2010, 04:42:02 PM
Yeah, we would literally all have to be the exact same hue. I mean, just look at the social biases in places like Brazil and the Middle East, where it doesn't matter if they're all brownish, the lighter skinned people are still considered more attractive/'better'.
Physical differences will always be used by the ignorant in order to create a power heirarchy.
Japan started discriminating on Blood type when they realized it couldn't use skin tone. I'd say the exact same hue wouldn't help much.
Quote from: Requia ☣ on July 28, 2010, 05:04:52 PM
Japan started discriminating on Blood type when they realized it couldn't use skin tone.
What? :lulz: For the love of God, LINK!
Racism in Latin America and the Middle East isn't about the color of someone's skin. Jews and Arabs have the same skin color, so they discriminate based on religion.
In Paraguay, we are all different shades of brown, so people used to discriminate based on language (ignorant people spoke guaraní, the actual native language, whereas educated, civilized people spoke spanish).
If everyone's the same race, people will just have to find a different kind of minority to oppress.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on July 28, 2010, 05:05:37 PM
Quote from: Requia ☣ on July 28, 2010, 05:04:52 PM
Japan started discriminating on Blood type when they realized it couldn't use skin tone.
What? :lulz: For the love of God, LINK!
Can't find the original news article I got this from, but wiki has a write up: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_types_in_Japanese_culture
A city in Minnesota approves an English-only ordinance that's got some community members angry. KARE reports.
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2010/07/27/dnt.english.only.city.kare?hpt=C2
Quote from: Jenne on July 28, 2010, 04:20:57 PM
OH, and what's with Fux News's and the media in general's usage of "reverse racism"? What's in reverse, here? "Racist" only means against "people of color" aka ethnic minorities? When it's agains whites it's in "reverse"? I guess I could google how this came to be, but dammit, it's all the same thing, innit? Racism is racism...reverse should be uh, lack of racism?
Enforced multiculturalism could be thought of as reverse racism, but yeah, usually it just gets used to mean "racist against whites"
Quote from: Jenne on July 28, 2010, 04:17:49 AM
...till it doesn't. Even the mighty can fall. *has seen it happen* And sometimes, SOMETIMES, shit can change.
I do not disagree with this, rather, i see it as the cause of the situation. When somebody with the resources to fight back effects change, they frequently effect change just for the people with the resources to fight back.
Quote from: Jenne on July 28, 2010, 04:20:57 PM
OH, and what's with Fux News's and the media in general's usage of "reverse racism"? What's in reverse, here? "Racist" only means against "people of color" aka ethnic minorities? When it's agains whites it's in "reverse"? I guess I could google how this came to be, but dammit, it's all the same thing, innit? Racism is racism...reverse should be uh, lack of racism?
Basically modern conservatism is whining about your victimization and in doing so denying groups with historically legitimate greivances theirs in the process.
Quote from: Requia ☣ on July 28, 2010, 05:10:05 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on July 28, 2010, 05:05:37 PM
Quote from: Requia ☣ on July 28, 2010, 05:04:52 PM
Japan started discriminating on Blood type when they realized it couldn't use skin tone.
What? :lulz: For the love of God, LINK!
Can't find the original news article I got this from, but wiki has a write up: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_types_in_Japanese_culture
The discrimination between japanese and okinawans is the strongest i've seen amongst japanese peoples.
as far as the blood type goes, it's just about as serious as americans take astrological signs
I can't find this, so maybe the article I read was bullshitting, but they had said they needed to ban employers from asking about blood type.
Quote from: Cain on July 29, 2010, 12:06:05 AM
Quote from: Jenne on July 28, 2010, 04:20:57 PM
OH, and what's with Fux News's and the media in general's usage of "reverse racism"? What's in reverse, here? "Racist" only means against "people of color" aka ethnic minorities? When it's agains whites it's in "reverse"? I guess I could google how this came to be, but dammit, it's all the same thing, innit? Racism is racism...reverse should be uh, lack of racism?
Basically modern conservatism is whining about your victimization and in doing so denying groups with historically legitimate greivances theirs in the process.
That's what it sounded like to me! I'm not surprised the lawyers have devised a legal way of touting it, either.
Quote from: Requia ☣ on July 29, 2010, 12:01:40 AM
Quote from: Jenne on July 28, 2010, 04:17:49 AM
...till it doesn't. Even the mighty can fall. *has seen it happen* And sometimes, SOMETIMES, shit can change.
I do not disagree with this, rather, i see it as the cause of the situation. When somebody with the resources to fight back effects change, they frequently effect change just for the people with the resources to fight back.
Sometimes. I mean, I think extraordinary things can still happen when someone rich and famous gets their tail in the trap they didn't know was set for them. But yes, majority of the time, it's a "special circumstance" for the rich to buy their way out of rather than an actual policy change for everyone.
I don't necessarily mean the rich, being photogenic or having friends who work at a newspaper is as much a defense against this as anything else. Sometimes its more a matter of education, knowing what your rights actually are, instead of what you're told they are. But a poorly educated Hispanic farm hand doesn't have a lot of resources like that.
Even those who know their rights have a tough time...money greases too many wheels in the justice system, as does reputation. And those not caring about either of those are the scariest of all, because it's POWER that they care about. So they have little to lose.
I fucking hate our justice system. But it's the only one we got.
Quote from: Jenne on July 30, 2010, 04:22:03 AM
Even those who know their rights have a tough time...money greases too many wheels in the justice system, as does reputation. And those not caring about either of those are the scariest of all, because it's POWER that they care about. So they have little to lose.
I fucking hate our justice system. But it's the only one we got.
Actually, there's a special one they use for rich folk. :horrormirth:
And for those working in government. But I repeat Sigmatic's point.