For all those interested in maintaining an egalitarian internet:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/05/technology/05secret.html?_r=2&hp
QuoteWASHINGTON — Google and Verizon, two leading players in Internet service and content, are nearing an agreement that could allow Verizon to speed some online content to Internet users more quickly if the content's creators are willing to pay for the privileg
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Such an agreement could overthrow a once-sacred tenet of Internet policy known as net neutrality, in which no form of content is favored over another. In its place, consumers could soon see a new, tiered system, which, like cable television, imposes higher costs for premium levels of service.
But was countered by
http://techcrunch.com/2010/08/05/google-verizon-net-neutrality/
QuoteA report in The Guardian cites a Google spokesperson as saying " "The New York Times is quite simply wrong. We have not had any conversations with Verizon about paying for carriage of Google traffic. We remain as committed as we always have been to an open internet."
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Verizon's policy blog has posted a statement as well:
"The NYT article regarding conversations between Google and Verizon is mistaken. It fundamentally misunderstands our purpose. As we said in our earlier FCC filing, our goal is an Internet policy framework that ensures openness and accountability, and incorporates specific FCC authority, while maintaining investment and innovation. To suggest this is a business arrangement between our companies is entirely incorrect."
Simple misunderstanding?
Why would the NYTimes get the story so wrong?
Quote from: Risus on August 06, 2010, 02:00:10 AM
Why would the NYTimes get the story so wrong?
To stir shit up against google and verizon?
The bigger question is, "why do you trust techcrunch.com more than you trust the NY Times?"
Quote from: Doktor Alphapance on August 06, 2010, 02:36:40 PM
The bigger question is, "why do you trust techcrunch.com more than you trust the NY Times?"
it's obvious that a big outfit like the NY Time is controlled by the space dragons, and cannot be trusted.
As a quick follow-up question, why don't you trust the benevolent Space Dragons?
Quote from: Doktor Alphapance on August 06, 2010, 02:36:40 PM
The bigger question is, "why do you trust techcrunch.com more than you trust the NY Times?"
That's just the link I had that reported both the Google and Verizon response.
But back on topic, for companies like Google and Verizon, what would be the pro's and con's for going against or maintaining net neutrality. This isn't really my field of expertise, but I'm curious about the potential actions taken by these companies would have.
Quote from: Doktor Alphapance on August 06, 2010, 04:06:36 PM
As a quick follow-up question, why don't you trust the benevolent Space Dragons?
What part of
Dragon and
Space didn't you get.
Big fire breathing, virgin eating monsters that use
SCIENCE, are obviously
EVIL.
Pros:
Even if they did all that 'some peoples stuff gets faster if you pay" who will people turn to? Who does control how much of the internet anyways?
A relevant quote on my FB wall:
Via Andrew Ragland: If you don't understand (the) net neutrality (debate), think of it this way: You pick up the phone, and a recorded voice tells you that you can call your cousin in Alaska in fifteen minutes, or you can listen to Rush Limbaugh right now. If you want to call your cousin right now, it's going to cost you
an extra $5.
What is taking so long for us to collectively understand that you can take capitalism too far?
Quote from: Sigmatic on August 07, 2010, 04:48:08 AM
What is taking so long for us to collectively understand that you can take capitalism too far?
Moar because moar.
http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2010/08/09/google-verizon-net-neutrality.html
QuoteGoogle and U.S. telecommunications giant Verizon have jointly proposed rules they say will preserve internet neutrality in the United States, although the companies' suggestions won't apply to wireless services.
Hrmm not apply to wireless.... How many Americans are on wireless and how many will be wireless in the future?
I've seen business analysts say that within 15 years there won't be any consumer desktop or laptop market left outside of specialist niches like gaming. Everybody will use cellphones. I think they're ignoring how shitty US telecoms are, but if it comes true despite BS like this...
Quote from: Requia ☣ on August 09, 2010, 11:31:41 PM
I've seen business analysts say that within 15 years there won't be any consumer desktop or laptop market left outside of specialist niches like gaming. Everybody will use cellphones. I think they're ignoring how shitty US telecoms are, but if it comes true despite BS like this...
I can't see that until they incorporate some sort of projection tech to create larger screens.
Glasses, smaller screens but they'll look big a half inch from your eye. Will support 3D too, and that's the next big shiny thing people are to be sold.
Quote from: Sigmatic on August 07, 2010, 04:48:08 AM
What is taking so long for us to collectively understand that you can take capitalism too far?
What capitalism? This is extortion, I want to know in what twisted world this is legal in the first place.