Discourse 30: World: Idle?
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The end of the word is nigh!
"The end of the word is nigh! The time of dumb is at hand!"
~Nine Buddhas McGee~
Are we so lazy in the pit of our souls that we would prefer that change would eventuate through massive cataclysm? The Shoggoths (fluffy bunnies) would have you believe that we are living in a time of great change, that the planets and stars are about to align in such a way as to force a great change down our throats whether we desire it or not. The righteous shall walk the land, battling the unrighteous, those who hesitate may get lost in the crossfire. We are asked to prepare for signs in the heavens and the dirt, counselled to look to ancient wisdoms and new interpretations; pushed toward both poles of every dichotomy at blinding speed, told by lilting voices and vacuous minds that "balance" lies in being a wishy-washy synthesist with a bad tie (apologies to gary larson).
"I told her I know when I'm going to die because my birth certificate has an expiration date on it."
~Steven Wright~
However, is the reverse not what is happening? that in every age the sayers of doom have failed to produce results of their fabled apocalypse? while this is certainly no reason to assume nothing is coming it does lend us pause to doubt the idea that specific dates and times are of any major significance. Why 2012? Well, because the mayan calendar ends then. However, I must object. Given that we can decipher very little of the mayan pictographic language and that they are no longer around can we not assume that they were a people intelligent enough to realise that nothing is permanent and that they realised they were going to die out one day, thus putting an end-date on their calendar? Did any of the furry-toothed crystal-rutters ever consider that possibility before bypasing sanity for the thing with the red leather dress and 800 tentacles and saying: "they know when the world is going to end!"
Recently, focus has turned away from Y2K prophecies (mainly because not enough people died when the new millenium rolled around, and focussed on the fabled 2012. The year when the mayan calendar (and by some crazy extension of shoggoth logic the world) ends. We've heard about rogue planets, black dwarf stars, comet,s alien space-ships. And the latest craze is galactic superwaves. What's that then? I'll tell you. It's the latest in uncredible theories from the semi-scientific branch of thud (who are on the same side of the tree as christian scientists [should tell you something]). No rubbing posters between bibles, but the result is the same. Apparently, many galaxies (our own included as far as we can tell) may have supermassive black holes at their center. These black holes are supposed to emit periodic bursts of radiation which spread throughout the galaxy.
Now, apparently there has been evidence found (or not, you don't have to trust the sources) of periodic deposits of iridium, a metal most-commonly found in space-dust, in ice cores from the north pole. The theory is, that every 26,000 years earth is hit by a blast of cosmic radiation which has the effect of killing of lots and lots of life...
Now the theory becomes full of holes at this point, because of the weight it appears to place on the strength of these explosions. Apparently the burst is so severe that it irradiates the surface of the planet and only creatures living in caves with lots of supplies will survive. So tell me. if 98% of all life on earth got wiped out 13,000 years ago, how come there is so much damn diversity around? how come there are myths and certain pre-social legends which predate this "cataclysm?" How did plants survive? How did evolution fill in 4 billion years in the blink of the cosmic eye? was the surface of the earth totally covered in animal and plant life at a time when the sumerians hadn't long started farming? Does the credibility of this shit look thinner than a milan runway model to you too?
So what is it that attracts us to the idea of the end of the world? apocalypse and rapture? Doubtless there will come a date when we'll have to say: "well, the human race is fucked." but will it be chiselled in stone, written in blood, or posted by Tyler? Every tale of the end of the world usually involves human ideas about human gods who more than likely have no designs on stopping their dinner show even when they do exist. I for one, doubt highly the idea that anyone has accurately forseen the end of the world. Apocalypse is just another way of avoiding responsibility for what we've managed to do to this planet in the last 300,000 years. Mass extinctions, deforestation, pollution, and genocide (and that's pre 10,000 BC). While it's certain that the human race will eventually cease to be even as something we don't know. I believe Fallout to be more in keeping with the reality than revelations
We live in the age of dumb! A time when the prophets of stupidity stalk the streets with fine suits and bad haircuts, trying to convince people that just because they own a used car lot that you should follow them toi a promised land of eternal samness and ultimately mental suicide, your cortexes ceasing to work because there's nothing further to think on.
Repent Stupids! The end of the word is nigh! the time of Dumb is at hand! The bitchslap of Eris is coming to make your ecstatic fantasies your worst nightmares! There is no escape! You will be illuminised, forced to watch the comedy of errors you call a life crumble to dust before your eyes. There is no saviour, there is no paradise, and there shall be no seventh angel! The dogma of the FNORD eats out of the bowls of the apocalypse; repent your stupidity and embrace the laughter of happiness!
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stupid is zen.
personally i'm quite alright with the end of the world or the lack thereof.
the mayan calendar does not say anything about the end of the world, but the end of a cycle.
Quote from: sakredchaothe mayan calendar does not say anything about the end of the world, but the end of a cycle.
actually the mayan calander says nothing of the end of a cycle... the mayan calander merely has an end.
maybe they ran out of paper?
Quote from: fed-ex beer stat!maybe they ran out of paper?
who ?!?!?
what are you talking about.
Quote from: chaosgraves:agentoferisQuote from: fed-ex beer stat!maybe they ran out of paper?
who ?!?!?
what are you talking about.
the mayans dumbass. what are you talking about? :P
Quote from: fed-ex beer stat!Quote from: chaosgraves:agentoferisQuote from: fed-ex beer stat!maybe they ran out of paper?
who ?!?!?
what are you talking about.
the mayans dumbass. what are you talking about? :P
why would running out of paper stop them from working on the calander?!?!?
DUMBASS.
Quote from: chaosgraves:agentoferisQuote from: fed-ex beer stat!Quote from: chaosgraves:agentoferisQuote from: fed-ex beer stat!maybe they ran out of paper?
who ?!?!?
what are you talking about.
the mayans dumbass. what are you talking about? :P
why would running out of paper stop them from working on the calander?!?!?
DUMBASS.
i dunno bout where you come from, btu where i come from, calendars are printed on paper. dumbass. :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
to say the mayan calendar has an "end" is like saying that a wheel has an end or the tarot has an end.. (is that redundant?)
wheels in wheels in wheels in wheels in wheels
kim, reading ezekiel
my piece of string has an end.
Quote from: fed-ex beer stat!my piece of string has an end.
afraid not
Quote from: fed-ex beer stat!Quote from: chaosgraves:agentoferisQuote from: fed-ex beer stat!Quote from: chaosgraves:agentoferisQuote from: fed-ex beer stat!maybe they ran out of paper?
who ?!?!?
what are you talking about.
the mayans dumbass. what are you talking about? :P
why would running out of paper stop them from working on the calander?!?!?
DUMBASS.
i dunno bout where you come from, btu where i come from, calendars are printed on paper. dumbass. :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
yes I agree that this maybe indeed the case in you time and culture... but we are not talking about your time and culture... dumbass.
Quote from: sakredchaoto say the mayan calendar has an "end" is like saying that a wheel has an end or the tarot has an end.. (is that redundant?)
wheels in wheels in wheels in wheels in wheels
kim, reading ezekiel
actualy it is not like that. but good effort.
I know nothing about the Mayans or their calendar, but might it not be possible that one day they just said "Haven't we got enough already?" and went off to play soccer with the head of a spanish conquistadore...?
Sounds plausible to me.
Quote from: chaosgraves:agentoferisQuote from: sakredchaoto say the mayan calendar has an "end" is like saying that a wheel has an end or the tarot has an end.. (is that redundant?)
wheels in wheels in wheels in wheels in wheels
kim, reading ezekiel
actualy it is not like that. but good effort.
how would -you- describe it, turbo?
everything i've read has described it as wheels in wheels. -everything-. i have never seen or heard the mayan calendar described as anything but. so, please show me the way, since you're privy to information that no one else is.
Quote from: sakredchaoto say the mayan calendar has an "end" is like saying that a wheel has an end or the tarot has an end.. (is that redundant?)
But it does have a 'beginning and ending mark' on each of those wheels and, for the first time since the calendar was made, we are about to come to the beginning/end ot the largest of those wheels (which also coincides with the beginning/end of all of the others).
The Odometer is about to roll over to all zeros again and no one qualified is around to tell us what this actually means, if it means anything.
Quote from: Guido FinucciQuote from: sakredchaoto say the mayan calendar has an "end" is like saying that a wheel has an end or the tarot has an end.. (is that redundant?)
But it does have a 'beginning and ending mark' on each of those wheels and, for the first time since the calendar was made, we are about to come to the beginning/end ot the largest of those wheels (which also coincides with the beginning/end of all of the others).
The Odometer is about to roll over to all zeros again and no one qualified is around to tell us what this actually means, if it means anything.
i'm qualified, but i get my kicks fromwatchign peopel squrim ;)
rolling over is very different than 'ending' is all i was saying.
"the world ending" implies kaput. no more.
maybe it's just symantecs, but i was just saying it was a cycle ending not the world.
Quote from: chaosgraves:agentoferisQuote from: sakredchaothe mayan calendar does not say anything about the end of the world, but the end of a cycle.
actually the mayan calander says nothing of the end of a cycle... the mayan calander merely has an end.
which ought to tell you something abotu the general mindset of these asshats...
Quote from: ListerI know nothing about the Mayans or their calendar, but might it not be possible that one day they just said "Haven't we got enough already?" and went off to play soccer with the head of a spanish conquistadore...?
my general train of thought as opposed to... "OMG the end of the world is coming because a lot of ancient dead guys who ate hearts said so!"
Well, if the ancients were so wise, why the fuck are they dead?
Quote from: Guido FinucciBut it does have a 'beginning and ending mark' on each of those wheels and, for the first time since the calendar was made, we are about to come to the beginning/end ot the largest of those wheels (which also coincides with the beginning/end of all of the others).
That, and there are the tales about how the First Cycle ended with everyone dying. And how the Second Cycle ended with everyone dying. And how the Third Cycle ended with everyone dying.
These people aren't panicked about the world ending. They're panicked that they're going to die in some catastrophe. It's all about them. :D
oh.. well obviously everyone didn't die.. unless.. maybe..
YOU'RE NOT REAL!
*cough* sorry.
well what's so bad about a lot of people dieing. good for life for putting us in check.
Quote from: sakredchaoQuote from: chaosgraves:agentoferisQuote from: sakredchaoto say the mayan calendar has an "end" is like saying that a wheel has an end or the tarot has an end.. (is that redundant?)
wheels in wheels in wheels in wheels in wheels
kim, reading ezekiel
actualy it is not like that. but good effort.
how would -you- describe it, turbo?
everything i've read has described it as wheels in wheels. -everything-. i have never seen or heard the mayan calendar described as anything but. so, please show me the way, since you're privy to information that no one else is.
actually I am privy to the same info as every one else... I tend to actually read the entire text rather then just the captions under the pictures... or short descriptions of it... I also have one detailing the several phenomena that stonhenge points to... big deal...but if someone was to say it only pointed to one event a year. I would say they were wrong... if they asked me to detail it while useing an insulting name ... I would say look it up your self schmuck it's not like I'm the only one privy to this information... I show no one the way because I let other peoples passion lead them and if you have no desire to do the reasearch then you obviously do not have the passion on the subject that others do.
and I guess you are confussing mere desciption with detailed analisys
Quote from: St. Trollax, ODDQuote from: ListerI know nothing about the Mayans or their calendar, but might it not be possible that one day they just said "Haven't we got enough already?" and went off to play soccer with the head of a spanish conquistadore...?
my general train of thought as opposed to... "OMG the end of the world is coming because a lot of ancient dead guys who ate hearts said so!"
Well, if the ancients were so wise, why the fuck are they dead?
actually I don't think they said the world was comeing to an end on a particular date ... the calander merely ends.
Quote from: sakredchaorolling over is very different than 'ending' is all i was saying.
"the world ending" implies kaput. no more.
maybe it's just symantecs, but i was just saying it was a cycle ending not the world.
hhhmmmm... *notices no moving parts on the calander*
I dont know what he mean by roll-over on this...
Quote from: chaosgraves:agentoferisQuote from: sakredchaoQuote from: chaosgraves:agentoferisQuote from: sakredchaoto say the mayan calendar has an "end" is like saying that a wheel has an end or the tarot has an end.. (is that redundant?)
wheels in wheels in wheels in wheels in wheels
kim, reading ezekiel
actualy it is not like that. but good effort.
how would -you- describe it, turbo?
everything i've read has described it as wheels in wheels. -everything-. i have never seen or heard the mayan calendar described as anything but. so, please show me the way, since you're privy to information that no one else is.
actually I am privy to the same info as every one else... I tend to actually read the entire text rather then just the captions under the pictures... or short descriptions of it... I also have one detailing the several phenomena that stonhenge points to... big deal...but if someone was to say it only pointed to one event a year. I would say they were wrong... if they asked me to detail it while useing an insulting name ... I would say look it up your self schmuck it's not like I'm the only one privy to this information... I show no one the way because I let other peoples passion lead them and if you have no desire to do the reasearch then you obviously do not have the passion on the subject that others do.
and I guess you are confussing mere desciption with detailed analisys
as i said. i've read the books.
oh no, it's december!! WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO!?!?!?
i believe that rollover was a continuation of his odometer metaphor.
if you read the post instead of just the caption on the picture...
...
Quote from: sakredchaoQuote from: chaosgraves:agentoferisQuote from: sakredchaoQuote from: chaosgraves:agentoferisQuote from: sakredchaoto say the mayan calendar has an "end" is like saying that a wheel has an end or the tarot has an end.. (is that redundant?)
wheels in wheels in wheels in wheels in wheels
kim, reading ezekiel
actualy it is not like that. but good effort.
how would -you- describe it, turbo?
everything i've read has described it as wheels in wheels. -everything-. i have never seen or heard the mayan calendar described as anything but. so, please show me the way, since you're privy to information that no one else is.
actually I am privy to the same info as every one else... I tend to actually read the entire text rather then just the captions under the pictures... or short descriptions of it... I also have one detailing the several phenomena that stonhenge points to... big deal...but if someone was to say it only pointed to one event a year. I would say they were wrong... if they asked me to detail it while useing an insulting name ... I would say look it up your self schmuck it's not like I'm the only one privy to this information... I show no one the way because I let other peoples passion lead them and if you have no desire to do the reasearch then you obviously do not have the passion on the subject that others do.
and I guess you are confussing mere desciption with detailed analisys
as i said. i've read the books.
oh no, it's december!! WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO!?!?!?
i believe that rollover was a continuation of his odometer metaphor.
if you read the post instead of just the caption on the picture...
...
hmm yes I think you under standnow just because the calander ends doesn't mean the end of the world happens... just because the calandar could go further that doesn't mean it does... I thought you might be able to figure it out.
::blink::
i get the distinct impression that you didn't read anything i typed.
good show!
Quote from: sakredchao::blink::
i get the distinct impression that you didn't read anything i typed.
good show!
would you please point out to me what exactly in my statements brings you to this conclusion...
Quote from: chaosgraves:agentoferisQuote from: sakredchao::blink::
i get the distinct impression that you didn't read anything i typed.
good show!
would you please point out to me what exactly in my statements brings you to this conclusion...
here. here. and that little bit way over there
"hmm yes I think you under standnow just because the calander ends doesn't mean the end of the world happens... just because the calandar could go further that doesn't mean it does..."
those 2.
::applauds::
to think that everything stops cause it's the end of their cycle is just innane, and i can't imagine that you are actually suggesting that. and if you ARE..
good goddess.
Quote from: sakredchao"hmm yes I think you under standnow just because the calander ends doesn't mean the end of the world happens... just because the calandar could go further that doesn't mean it does..."
those 2.
::applauds::
to think that everything stops cause it's the end of their cycle is just innane, and i can't imagine that you are actually suggesting that. and if you ARE..
good goddess.
hhhmmm never suggested that everything stops... but if you saw that in my messages I must appologize for not spelling it out completely for you. I thought I was talking to someone that maybe understood a little about logic and was sorely mistaken... if you read that post again ( the one you quoted from) you might understand and also I was merely saying the calander stopped thats all... the device used to measure time not time itself...and I'm sorry to get you mixed into the end of the world stuff but maybe I was a little unclear as to your surprise about our calendar ending in december ( remind me to send you one of the extended calendar so this doesn't need to happen again) but I guess you are not really reading the posts as I have put them up and are not nessesarilly paying attention to what you yourself are posting... thanks for the applause but I would rather have it from those that are paying a little more attention.
my december comment was sarcasm.
i disagree. we can leave it at that.
granted this medium is pretty limited as far as conveying tone and body language (most of comminucation takes place here)..
check please.
don't take me too seriously.
don't look bella,
8o) we're all wearing clown noses and groucho glasses.
Quote from: chaosgraves:agentoferishhhmmm never suggested that everything stops... but if you saw that in my messages I must appologize for not spelling it out completely for you. I thought I was talking to someone that maybe understood a little about logic and was sorely mistaken... if you read that post again ( the one you quoted from) you might understand and also I was merely saying the calander stopped thats all... the device used to measure time not time itself...and I'm sorry to get you mixed into the end of the world stuff but maybe I was a little unclear as to your surprise about our calendar ending in december ( remind me to send you one of the extended calendar so this doesn't need to happen again) but I guess you are not really reading the posts as I have put them up and are not nessesarilly paying attention to what you yourself are posting... thanks for the applause but I would rather have it from those that are paying a little more attention.
Quote from: sakredchao::blink::
i get the distinct impression that you didn't read anything i typed.
good show!
Now that is a pot and a kettle in a slinging match if ever I've seen one. allow me to quote myself...
Quote from: St. Trollax, ODDWhy 2012? Well, because the mayan calendar ends then. However, I must object. Given that we can decipher very little of the mayan pictographic language and that they are no longer around can we not assume that they were a people intelligent enough to realise that nothing is permanent and that they realised they were going to die out one day, thus putting an end-date on their calendar? Did any of the furry-toothed crystal-rutters ever consider that possibility before bypasing sanity for the thing with the red leather dress and 800 tentacles and saying: "they know when the world is going to end!"
so it seems you're not only failing to take notice of each other...
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and still people don't learn...
5,312,467,972 fruitless revolutions, coups, and reformations and counting...
i didn't learn until just then. and to think i was fearing that dubya would win the election. ha!
Quote from: Slartibartfasti didn't learn until just then. and to think i was fearing that dubya would win the election. ha!
vote for the phicus...
i can't vote! so HA! but if i did, i'd vote for a dinosaur or something. maybe bella or cthulhu.
actually, forget them. i choose RUASYTALP!!!
(http://img59.exs.cx/img59/646/ruasytalp.jpg)
yo, ill bet $50 that the world will be here in 2013
ill bet each one of you
(but if i remember when 2012 rolls arround, ill find the date that happens and get way high just in case)
Quote from: fasboy4001yo, ill bet $50 that the world will be here in 2013
ill bet each one of you
(but if i remember when 2012 rolls arround, ill find the date that happens and get way high just in case)
if it is ending, I intend to find who's responsible and reduce them to a fine pulp or pink mist...
Quote from: St. Trollax, ODDso it seems you're not only failing to take notice of each other...
* surprised look in my eyes*
who the hell are you?!?!?
I would advise every one to not take fasboy's wager.