Good evening to all of you!
I am from the exotic and amazing (caugh cough) country of Brazil (yay) and my name is Lord Nigel Omar Ofganza.
I've been reading about discordia and erisianinsm and a bunch of other crazy stuff for quite some time now. Besides the Principia and the Black Iron Prison I have wondered through some other discordian havens and read some texts written by people who attend this forum, like Prof Cramulus (amazing stuff btw) and some others.
The thing is that, although the discordian community of far from being huge, there is an awful lot of material to read, and in this forum there are some topics with more than 30 pages of discussion (O.o).
I was wondering if you people who have been reading and posting stuff here could point me to some of the most interesting discussions.With that I wouln'd be so far from the track of what has already been discussed and also would be a bit less lost amidst all of this.
I also would like to know what projects (gasm projects or whatever) are currently really wornking and need help and how I could maybe lend a hand. Anyway, any information here would be nice :mrgreen:
PS: Sorry for creating a new topic just for this but I couldn't find some other topic for introducing and this sort of thing.
yeah
Quote from: Nurse Rhizome on August 10, 2010, 04:58:30 AM
Faust put together a sweet reading/resource list. Thought you might enjoy it as much as I did. http://www.principiadiscordia.com/list.html
That came from the Introductions thread, stickied at the top of this forum.
Must read:
Apple Talk-
FUCKING ORANGE EATING CONTEST!!
Quote from: Turdley Burgleson on August 11, 2010, 04:14:06 AM
Must read:
Apple Talk-
FUCKING ORANGE EATING CONTEST!!
THIS. FUCKING ORANGES are fundamental.
i can't imagine fucking any fruit is terribly pleasant, much less oranges... however i'm sure there's worse. like pineapple...
on topic, however: some of my fave reading is in the rants. operation mindfuck is a great place for projects. Threads here tend to balloon, and i tend to read entire threads, so i'll often have one browser tab for a monstrous thread for continued reading, and another for updating on more current threads and posting. works well for me. have fun, this is my favorite forum ever to read through threads on.
Lurk a little.
Quote from: Charley Brown on August 11, 2010, 05:34:02 AM
Lurk a little.
or a lot... altho i suppose what with charley brown being immortal and all, my lot is probably your little. :)
Quote from: Akara on August 11, 2010, 05:36:26 AM
Quote from: Charley Brown on August 11, 2010, 05:34:02 AM
Lurk a little.
or a lot... altho i suppose what with charley brown being immortal and all, my lot is probably your little. :)
:lulz:
Wow, thanks guys. it is really amazing how so many people answer in so little time! This forum is probably the liveliest forum of all times (and i've been in a few).
Read the five principles and the Fucking Orange already. I am sure that while I was reading them it felt like some of the best time spent ever. I am now looking at THE list...fucking huge for a list of "selections" but that shows that a lot of great stuff gets discused here. i'll do my best to read it all.
I would also like to appologize for my stupidity. I asked for help because I was a noob without noticing that there was a BIG post for noobs as a sticky and the same happened with the introductions post. I guess I should introduce myself there before doing anything else.
Thanks for all the help !
Quote from: LordOfganza on August 11, 2010, 05:41:33 AM
Wow, thanks guys. it is really amazing how so many people answer in so little time! This forum is probably the liveliest forum of all times (and i've been in a few).
Read the five principles and the Fucking Orange already. I am sure that while I was reading them it felt like some of the best time spent ever. I am now looking at THE list...fucking huge for a list of "selections" but that shows that a lot of great stuff gets discused here. i'll do my best to read it all.
I would also like to appologize for my stupidity. I asked for help because I was a noob without noticing that there was a BIG post for noobs as a sticky and the same happened with the introductions post. I guess I should introduce myself there before doing anything else.
Thanks for all the help !
It's not stupidity. Don't sweat it. You're alright.
sometimes getting started on a forum is a lot like learning a new language, specially one this big...
Relax, so far you're off to a good start. Just, please, for the love of 'Bob', don't go all pineal on us.
My initial response to to the topic title was "Fucking christ, more no0bz?!"
But, Ganza, well...hasn't done anything stupid... Go figure.
Anyhow, check this out if you haven't yet. http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=25977.0
Should keep you occupied for a few minutes.
Oh, and welcome.
Quote from: Charley Brown on August 11, 2010, 05:46:05 AM
Relax, so far you're off to a good start. Just, please, for the love of 'Bob', don't go all pineal on us.
It's spelled "Bob." :roll:
Anyway, don't be afraid to bump something old and interesting.
Also, start a thread about magic.
Quote from: Charley Brown on August 11, 2010, 05:46:05 AM
Relax, so far you're off to a good start. Just, please, for the love of 'Bob', don't go all pineal on us.
If by "going pineal" you mean flooding the forums with FNORDS and nonsens quotes from the PD, dont sweat it, i'm not that kind of erisian hehe.
I like crazy and insane discussions, but I like it new and creative. Just eating shit and crapping it again over and ovr again doesn't seem...apropriate.
I'll try to do my best to ADD to the discussions. If I don't have anything interesting to say I'll just read or send some mittens.
As an aside to that, new things that reference the old works usually go down pretty well.
You don't happen to know Rev. Cekemp do you?
We seem to do well in Brazil.
Quote from: LordOfganza on August 11, 2010, 06:14:19 AM
Quote from: Charley Brown on August 11, 2010, 05:46:05 AM
Relax, so far you're off to a good start. Just, please, for the love of 'Bob', don't go all pineal on us.
If by "going pineal" you mean flooding the forums with FNORDS and nonsens quotes from the PD, dont sweat it, i'm not that kind of erisian hehe.
I like crazy and insane discussions, but I like it new and creative. Just eating shit and crapping it again over and ovr again doesn't seem...apropriate.
I'll try to do my best to ADD to the discussions. If I don't have anything interesting to say I'll just read or send some mittens.
You're going to fit in very well here.
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on August 11, 2010, 10:43:25 AM
You don't happen to know Rev. Cekemp do you?
We seem to do well in Brazil.
No, never heard of him....
I'm sure there are some discordians here but I guarantee you it's not enough to call it a success. You can't really know about it without understanding English and although a couple hundred thousand might understand it they are nothing compared to the 2 hundred MILLION brazillians... And, unfortunately, the biggest part of the population barely is able to speak its own language properly .
I remember some guy who had a blog called 1001 cats of schroedinger (in portuguese of course) and he used to post some erisian stuff but, some time later, he started o post about his projects and interestes (not erisian at all) and some time later) he didn't even post....
Quote from: LordOfganza on August 11, 2010, 03:19:27 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on August 11, 2010, 10:43:25 AM
You don't happen to know Rev. Cekemp do you?
We seem to do well in Brazil.
No, never heard of him....
I'm sure there are some discordians here but I guarantee you it's not enough to call it a success. You can't really know about it without understanding English and although a couple hundred thousand might understand it they are nothing compared to the 2 hundred MILLION brazillians... And, unfortunately, the biggest part of the population barely is able to speak its own language properly .
I remember some guy who had a blog called 1001 cats of schroedinger (in portuguese of course) and he used to post some erisian stuff but, some time later, he started o post about his projects and interestes (not erisian at all) and some time later) he didn't even post....
Rev. Cekemp did a portugese translation of both the PD /and/ BIP, IIRC.
yeah, that 1001 cats of shroedinger blog is a rev.cekemp project too
my girlfriend met a brazilian a while back who immediately recognized her sacred chao backpack. I was under the impression that Discordia is more popular in Brazil than in a lot of countries.
No, actually Brazilian people just seem to pop up everywhere and under all sorts of concepts. My dad once spent the new year in Paris and, on midnight, at the Champs Elysees, there were a bunch of brazillians with flags from the football team they supported....its like a menace =p
Oh, by the way.... Since this is a post aside from all the real talk here I might just ask because it might have already been discussed. Have you guys already though of gathering all that BIP and Intermittens material and sending it to SJ Games for their PD sequel?
Another thing, I read your sticky for funny pictures and loved it. I noticed that people here and there pop a few great youtube links too. Wouldm't it be nice to have a sticky for nice youtube links too? That way they wont be so easily lost as they go down the forum.
I miss Peterson. He had quite a lively cabal going, and asked me to write a few posts for his blog which he translated into Portuguese. Can't remember where he was. Possibly Sao Paulo, but I'm probably wrong.
Good times. I'll try to remember his URL.
Quote from: LordOfganza on August 11, 2010, 04:33:06 PM
N I noticed that people here and there pop a few great youtube links too. Wouldm't it be nice to have a sticky for nice youtube links too? That way they wont be so easily lost as they go down the forum.
not really. Threads tend to live and die on their own merits, or lack of merits around here
Quote from: Golden Applesauce on August 11, 2010, 06:09:21 AM
Anyway, don't be afraid to bump something old and interesting.
Also, start a thread about magic.
How do I charge my sigils?
We accept you!
Have some wine!
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like this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8XChxQBmHY
I was thinking more like this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBXyB7niEc0).
Quote from: LordOfganza on August 11, 2010, 04:33:06 PM
. Have you guys already though of gathering all that BIP and Intermittens material and sending it to SJ Games for their PD sequel?
so he can put his logo on it and thus make it harder to reproduce? na
tho i wanted to get a third party to print the etc discordia that cram's still editing
that cover really deserves a nice hardback so it mimics a school notebook. maybe keep the blue lines too
Hmmm..... I see your point but SJ himself says in the PD that he printed that everything on discordia can be distrubuted at will somaybe that wont be a problem. Plus tehy have the means to make look nice, like a real book lol. Anyway I was just wondering.
have you tried Lulu.com?
What is that, print on demand style?
I do believe that is how they operate.
They have fairly good quality.
haven't handled their hardbound books, but I own two perfect bound books and several spiral bounds.
Thanks for the tip ! :)
How many is a Brazillian again? :?
What do you mean?
Quote from: LordOfganza on August 11, 2010, 10:01:06 PM
What do you mean?
If I have to explain the joke then it is no longer funny.
Or it wasn't funny in the first place. :cry:
Quote from: Iason Ouabache on August 11, 2010, 10:06:08 PM
Quote from: LordOfganza on August 11, 2010, 10:01:06 PM
What do you mean?
If I have to explain the joke then it is no longer funny.
Or it wasn't funny in the first place. :cry:
LOLICWUTUDIDTHAR
I don't know, I just probably didn't get it, lol.
In english, Brazillian sounds similar to "billion/bazillion/million" which are all units of measurement
I thought it was a wax joke
I know what million and bazillion means.... but only now I thought of it that way.....
Smart joke! lol . Too bad I was too tired at the moment to understand it and appreciate it =p
Quote from: The Great Bovinity on August 11, 2010, 09:28:43 PM
have you tried Lulu.com?
I don't really see the point of a POD or vanity press printing. The people who want it can get electronic editions easy enough, hard copies are only useful if you're trying to sell a premium product over the electronic version, or trying to get something onto library/bookstore shelves, which POD won't do.
Quote from: Requia ☣ on August 12, 2010, 05:42:06 AM
Quote from: The Great Bovinity on August 11, 2010, 09:28:43 PM
have you tried Lulu.com?
I don't really see the point of a POD or vanity press printing. The people who want it can get electronic editions easy enough, hard copies are only useful if you're trying to sell a premium product over the electronic version, or trying to get something onto library/bookstore shelves, which POD won't do.
Or if you want a copy that you can read without requiring a power outlet, or one that you can put on your bookshelf, or one that you can give away.
I agree with electronic reading beacuse it saves paper and space BUT i still think that reference books are better to have phisically. It's exausting to check grammar rules or Roleplaying Games rules on a PDF. Besides exausting, like it was already said, it is still limited to where you are and the acess to computer etc. I own a Kindle and I love it. I can read something and if I don't read it again it won't be gathering dust on my shelf nor will it be thrown away, PLUS I can use it without charging or burning my eyes (no backlight) for weeks. But when it comes to reference books, you still can't beat the real deal. At least for now.
Or kill me
Quote from: Golden Applesauce on August 12, 2010, 05:46:16 AM
Quote from: Requia ☣ on August 12, 2010, 05:42:06 AM
Quote from: The Great Bovinity on August 11, 2010, 09:28:43 PM
have you tried Lulu.com?
I don't really see the point of a POD or vanity press printing. The people who want it can get electronic editions easy enough, hard copies are only useful if you're trying to sell a premium product over the electronic version, or trying to get something onto library/bookstore shelves, which POD won't do.
Or if you want a copy that you can read without requiring a power outlet, or one that you can put on your bookshelf, or one that you can give away.
Exactly. That's how I learned about Lulu. A martial arts instructor of mine used it to publish his translation of the Gladiatoria Fechtbuch and the Armbraser Codex, along with class materials. And his is the only English translation of Gladiatoria floating around. No one else thinks Harnischfechten is as sexy as Blossfechten.
Quote from: LordOfganza on August 12, 2010, 06:05:29 AM
I agree with electronic reading beacuse it saves paper and space BUT i still think that reference books are better to have phisically. It's exausting to check grammar rules or Roleplaying Games rules on a PDF. Besides exausting, like it was already said, it is still limited to where you are and the acess to computer etc. I own a Kindle and I love it. I can read something and if I don't read it again it won't be gathering dust on my shelf nor will it be thrown away, PLUS I can use it without charging or burning my eyes (no backlight) for weeks. But when it comes to reference books, you still can't beat the real deal. At least for now.
Or kill me
True, but paper reference books don't come with a search function.
True, but paper reference books don't come with a search function.
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Agreed. And that is pretty helpful at times. But I have a bunch of books where an automated search function wouldn't help squat, like my Kanji (Japanese Complex characters or ideograms lended by the chinese) Dictionary, where you have to search by number of strokes and prefixes. Of course that these are extreme examples. Maybe I just like to have the book in my hands some time. It feels good to look at them and the smell of the pages is fascinating,,,
Quote from: Requia ☣ on August 12, 2010, 05:42:06 AM
Quote from: The Great Bovinity on August 11, 2010, 09:28:43 PM
have you tried Lulu.com?
I don't really see the point of a POD or vanity press printing. The people who want it can get electronic editions easy enough, hard copies are only useful if you're trying to sell a premium product over the electronic version, or trying to get something onto library/bookstore shelves, which POD won't do.
I disagree that hard copies are only important if you're selling a premium product.
lots of people don't like reading books on screens
lots of people will buy a physical product if it's there in front of them
I could never read a whole book on the screen. My eyes start to water and hurt after about 10 mins. of straight reading.
If I want to read a Whole book-I defiantly buy a hard copy.
Monitor reading for me is only for short reads. (even then my eyes bug out on me-could not imagine reading a whole book on the screen at all!)
Quote from: LordOfganza on August 12, 2010, 06:53:22 AM
True, but paper reference books don't come with a search function.
Agreed. And that is pretty helpful at times. But I have a bunch of books where an automated search function wouldn't help squat, like my Kanji (Japanese Complex characters or ideograms lended by the chinese) Dictionary, where you have to search by number of strokes and prefixes. Of course that these are extreme examples. Maybe I just like to have the book in my hands some time. It feels good to look at them and the smell of the pages is fascinating,,,
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No you're right, and even if the book contains mostly text, say the D&D Player Handbook, it's impossible to leaf through a PDF or indeed even use the search function or bookmarks with the same speed and ease as looking something up in a paper hardcover book. The processor might be able to do it, but the interface just isn't there. Not yet, maybe it will one day though. But the fundamental difference between hardcopy and a single screen eReader is that in a hardcopy what you are holding in your hand has all the information right "there" which you can access by directly physically handling it, with the same speed and in any way you can think of, intuitively. While an eReader only displays one page at a time and you have to navigate to the rest via an interface. And this interface might one day be very userfriendly and intuitive and responsive, and that might be almost good enough, but I fail to see how a single screen eReader interface would emulate all the many things you can "just do" with a hardcopy book.
For example looking through the D&D Player manual, you want to compare some description of a magic spell (which are near the back) to some specific combat rules (which are multiple pages somewhere in the middle)
without even having to think about it, you will take the bunch of pages between the combat rules and the spell description between thumb and index finger, and can switch back and forth just like that, or even hold them up vertically so you just barely have to shift your head to switch focus from the combat section to the spell description. Additionally, you will be using your thumb to leaf through the individual pages of the combat section, while keeping the spell description open all al the same time. I dunno, maybe one day eBook readers will have a user interface that compares to this in some way, that you can "just do" without figuring out how to "use" it. But we're not there yet.
Quote from: Hamos on August 12, 2010, 03:36:23 PMI could never read a whole book on the screen. My eyes start to water and hurt after about 10 mins. of straight reading.
If I want to read a Whole book-I defiantly buy a hard copy.
Monitor reading for me is only for short reads. (even then my eyes bug out on me-could not imagine reading a whole book on the screen at all!)
They were talking about eReader screens, they don't have backlights, I dunno if you have ever seen one, but their surface reads exactly the same as that of your average magazine, except the letters can change. Which was really weird when I first saw it. I say "average magazine" because the one I saw was slightly more glossy than a normal book, but definitely not as glossy as the typical "glossy magazine".
Oh some other things about POD that is very important for things like the PD and all that: You can't leave a PDF on your toilet shelves for your guests to read while they're crapping. You can't place a PDF on your coffee table. If you lend or give your friend a hardcopy book there's a good chance they will check it out even just a little while if you send them a PDF there's a good chance they'll save it to their "ebooks" folder and never think of it again. If, during a heated discussion, you jump up and proclaim "a-HA! But the PRINCIPIA says ..." and proceed to point out something in a definitely holy looking book, because it has a special place on your bookshelves with a little floodlight pointed at it, you carefully dust it off and bring it to the table with a revering piety, that carries a whole lot more weight than if you'd open your laptop and point at something on a PDF that everybody knows you just got from one of those wacky crackpot sites you always go on about.
Quote from: Hamos on August 12, 2010, 03:36:23 PMI could never read a whole book on the screen. My eyes start to water and hurt after about 10 mins. of straight reading.
If I want to read a Whole book-I defiantly buy a hard copy.
Monitor reading for me is only for short reads. (even then my eyes bug out on me-could not imagine reading a whole book on the screen at all!)
Quote from: Triple Zero
They were talking about eReader screens, they don't have backlights, I dunno if you have ever seen one, but their surface reads exactly the same as that of your average magazine, except the letters can change. Which was really weird when I first saw it. I say "average magazine" because the one I saw was slightly more glossy than a normal book, but definitely not as glossy as the typical "glossy magazine".
Ah-ok, I see now. :oops:
What a brilliant Idea these eReaders sound like.
Thanks!
Quote from: Triple Zero on August 12, 2010, 04:10:15 PM
. If, during a heated discussion, you jump up and proclaim "a-HA! But the PRINCIPIA says ..." and proceed to point out something in a definitely holy looking book, because it has a special place on your bookshelves with a little floodlight pointed at it, you carefully dust it off and bring it to the table with a revering piety, that carries a whole lot more weight than if you'd open your laptop and point at something on a PDF that everybody knows you just got from one of those wacky crackpot sites you always go on about.
Couldn't agree more!
I've got discordia totalis off lulu...
The binding reminds me of a yearbook so I've had people signing it