http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/2010/08/26/prism.social.media.work.cnn?hpt=C2
Germany so far is the only country taking steps to preventing potential employers from using social media to determine hiring practices.
Quote from: Charley Brown on August 27, 2010, 05:58:05 PM
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/2010/08/26/prism.social.media.work.cnn?hpt=C2
Germany so far is the only country taking steps to preventing potential employers from using social media to determine hiring practices.
I disagree with Germany. If you're dumb enough to smear yourself IN PUBLIC, then an employer has the right to react to that.
troof. It's not hard to adjust your facebook settings so that people can't view your profile, pics, etc. unless you want them to. It's also not hard to not put shit on your FB page that would cause an employer to not want to hire you. I've gone as far as threatening physical violence towards people unless they un-tag me in pictures, and it's worked quite well.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 27, 2010, 05:59:52 PM
Quote from: Charley Brown on August 27, 2010, 05:58:05 PM
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/2010/08/26/prism.social.media.work.cnn?hpt=C2
Germany so far is the only country taking steps to preventing potential employers from using social media to determine hiring practices.
I disagree with Germany. If you're dumb enough to smear yourself IN PUBLIC, then an employer has the right to react to that.
I have to agree with Dok on this one. We are not allowed access to Facebook, MySpace or any social places like that at work and our owner monitors everyone's pages. If we are found to mention our workplace or fellow employees or supervisors etc on our page in a negative way we will get fired!
It sucks, but, It's not like it is up for debate in the office.
Well, from a different viewpoint, what about what you say and do on your own time? Should your employer have the right to monitor your personal life and make job determinations based on it?
Quote from: Charley Brown on August 27, 2010, 06:06:22 PM
Well, from a different viewpoint, what about what you say and do on your own time? Should your employer have the right to monitor your personal life and make job determinations based on it?
I get piss tested once a month. In my particular job, there's good reason for that.
I see no difference.
Also, if you're dumb enough to post pics of yourself puking on your shoes in a public format, in the open, I have the right to make value decisions about you.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 27, 2010, 05:59:52 PM
Quote from: Charley Brown on August 27, 2010, 05:58:05 PM
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/2010/08/26/prism.social.media.work.cnn?hpt=C2
Germany so far is the only country taking steps to preventing potential employers from using social media to determine hiring practices.
I disagree with Germany. If you're dumb enough to smear yourself IN PUBLIC, then an employer has the right to react to that.
I agree with this guy. Willful ignorance of the sites settings to guard yourself from the prying eyes of people you don't want to know what you're sharing is no excuse either. No one forced anyone to start a facebook, you take responsibility for your actions on the internets. Companies should be making the best hiring decisions they can based on all information to which they have access.
My opinion is really quite simple. If you wish for your page to remain private then I don't think your employer has any right to come close to it, and if you wish for your page to remain public then I also don't think your employer has any right to come close to it, unless your using it at work.
I would like to know when it is that your job has become all encompassing of your life. When your not at work, YOUR free time should be just that.
No opinion on the law as I have next to no knowledge of the legal system in Germany.
I'm kinda split on this. On one hand, I agree that what you do with your personal time is none of your employers business. On the other hand, if you want to put pictures of yourself all over the interbutts while screaming "look at me being all Ca-Razy!!" then you have no right to bitch when someone does look at you, and comes to the inevitable conclusion that you're a shitneck.
So, if I stood butt-ass naked and covered in vomit, singing show tunes, my boss has no right to use that as a means of making a decision about me?
If I was in my house, I'd agree.
If I was standing on the outside of the refinery fence, I'd disagree.
Private page is private.
Public page is PUBLIC.
I guess I am on the other side of this. I like to post political issues on facebook. If an employer has a differing viewpoint them I am either disqualified or fired.
Freedom of speech squished.
So what if your shithead?
Unless you have a employer has to maintain a public face, and that could cost business (and even then it better be in the contract you sign), I still don't see how it's any of their buisness.
Quote from: Charley Brown on August 27, 2010, 06:14:59 PM
I guess I am on the other side of this. I like to post political issues on facebook. If an employer has a differing viewpoint them I am either disqualified or fired.
Freedom of speech squished.
It is? The first amendment only protects you from government punishment for speech, not social consequences.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 27, 2010, 06:08:54 PM
Quote from: Charley Brown on August 27, 2010, 06:06:22 PM
Well, from a different viewpoint, what about what you say and do on your own time? Should your employer have the right to monitor your personal life and make job determinations based on it?
I get piss tested once a month. In my particular job, there's good reason for that.
I see no difference.
Also, if you're dumb enough to post pics of yourself puking on your shoes in a public format, in the open, I have the right to make value decisions about you.
And to take that one step further, posting pics of yourself puking on your shoes publicly is just one step shy of being that guy who gets puking drunk in public, or at least gives the impression that you are that sort of person.
Kep your fucking FB private, and don't friend every fucking dbag you have ever known.
My BC (battalion commander) tried twice to get me to friend her, she had several other soldiers friended, then got bitchy when someone was venting about some unit bullshit, and got even more bitchy when someone else told her to basically chill. Which in turn slowly spiral out of control IRL.
I keep my shit locked up.
Quote from: Charley Brown on August 27, 2010, 06:14:59 PM
I guess I am on the other side of this. I like to post political issues on facebook. If an employer has a differing viewpoint them I am either disqualified or fired.
Freedom of speech squished.
I thought freedom of speech only applied to government, not other private entities.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 27, 2010, 06:18:31 PM
Quote from: Charley Brown on August 27, 2010, 06:14:59 PM
I guess I am on the other side of this. I like to post political issues on facebook. If an employer has a differing viewpoint them I am either disqualified or fired.
Freedom of speech squished.
It is? The first amendment only protects you from government punishment for speech, not social consequences.
Symantics?
Quote from: Charley Brown on August 27, 2010, 06:22:30 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 27, 2010, 06:18:31 PM
Quote from: Charley Brown on August 27, 2010, 06:14:59 PM
I guess I am on the other side of this. I like to post political issues on facebook. If an employer has a differing viewpoint them I am either disqualified or fired.
Freedom of speech squished.
It is? The first amendment only protects you from government punishment for speech, not social consequences.
Symantics?
No, not semantics. A point of law.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 27, 2010, 06:14:13 PM
Private page is private.
Public page is PUBLIC.
This sums up the situation perfectly. What is on your public page should be considered equal to what you do in town square. A 'seeing space' (cfr. H. Arendt) is a 'seeing space', even a digital one. People will naturally judge you for what you do in public. In private - whether it be your bedroom or your private page - it's up to you.
Quote from: Charley Brown on August 27, 2010, 06:14:59 PM
I guess I am on the other side of this. I like to post political issues on facebook. If an employer has a differing viewpoint them I am either disqualified or fired.
Freedom of speech squished.
unless Congress gets involved, this isn't a first amendment issue. You have the freedom of speech that allows you to create a facebook page. Nothing in the 1st amendment protects you from other people passing judgement about you based on what you say when you exercise your right to free speech.
I mean, I agree that it sucks that you can't post pics of yourself getting trashed at a party without your employer finding it and judging your potential performance as an employee by it, but I don't see any legal argument against it. Just change your facebook settings to preclude such things from happening.
Maybe it's the old union rep coming out but it comes down to this
If they fire you over something that is not in the contract you sign you have every right to seek legal action.
I don't know how it is the states.
Also in Canada as far as I know it has been established that free speech rights cross over to employment, expect in the cases were there are violations of the company's contract or the company can demonstrate that the exercising of free speech has gone against your ability to perform your job (ie. you can get fired for preaching the gospel to a costumer, or if your teacher and your teaching something outside of the curriculum and doesn't have a basis in that subject)
IE. Teachers in Canada can be fired cause of facebook cause it's in their contract they could be disciplined for acts outside of their work. Although I disagree with this, it's in their contract so when you become a teacher you have to accept that.
Quote from: Charley Brown on August 27, 2010, 06:14:59 PM
I guess I am on the other side of this. I like to post political issues on facebook. If an employer has a differing viewpoint them I am either disqualified or fired.
Freedom of speech squished.
I can't agree that this is a freedom of speech issue, as no one is silencing your opinion. Now,the hiring manager MAY disagree with your view, or your views may conflict with the philosophy of the company culture and effect how well you'll fit in, which I think is a valid consideration since you'll be spending at least 8 hours a day around this person. Also, if you're that vocal politically on your facebook, whats to say you wont be striking up politically charged conversations in the break room? I rage whenever someone at work starts giving me their take on the latest hot topic coming out of washington or my state government. If I wanted to hear and talk about that shit, I'll go to a website or rally or some such shit. I'm at work to do the companies business.
Also, the way you behave in toto reflects on your company. You might end up being involved with clients and customers. Nothing stops THEM from looking you up on facebook and seeing that you're a complete asshat, and the fact that the company they're doing business with would hire someone who doesn't even know how to set their facebook to private reflects on the company.
If credit checks are a valid way to see how someone manages their own finances before you put them in charge of a companies, then what you're stupid enough to put on the internets should be able to be used to determine just how much of a fuckup you could potentially be at your job.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 27, 2010, 06:18:31 PM
It is? The first amendment only protects you from government punishment for speech, not social consequences.
I can't believe I agree with you so much, but yes, yes, yes. This is the same concept as with Dr. Laura when she said "nigger" on the radio while talking to a black woman and making other borderline racist comments, and people got mad at her. She said her constitutional rights were violated, but she's full of shit. People can judge people as they want, it's
their constitutional right.
Quote from: NWC on August 27, 2010, 06:26:28 PM
I can't believe I agree with you so much,
It doesn't wash off, no matter how much you scrub.
Quote from: Charley Brown on August 27, 2010, 06:06:22 PM
Well, from a different viewpoint, what about what you say and do on your own time? Should your employer have the right to monitor your personal life and make job determinations based on it?
YOU ARE NEVER OFF THE COMPANY CLOCK. YOUR TIME BELONGS TO THE COMPANY. THOSE FOUND COMPLAINING WILL HAVE THEIR EMPLOYMENT TERMINATED.
THIS IS FOR YOUR OWN GOOD. TRUST THE COMPANY.
Quote from: NWC on August 27, 2010, 06:26:28 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 27, 2010, 06:18:31 PM
It is? The first amendment only protects you from government punishment for speech, not social consequences.
I can't believe I agree with you so much, but yes, yes, yes. This is the same concept as with Dr. Laura when she said "nigger" on the radio while talking to a black woman and making other borderline racist comments, and people got mad at her. She said her constitutional rights were violated, but she's full of shit. People can judge people as they want, it's their constitutional right.
The difference there is advertisers where involved.
Quote from: Thurnez Isa on August 27, 2010, 06:28:19 PM
Quote from: NWC on August 27, 2010, 06:26:28 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 27, 2010, 06:18:31 PM
It is? The first amendment only protects you from government punishment for speech, not social consequences.
I can't believe I agree with you so much, but yes, yes, yes. This is the same concept as with Dr. Laura when she said "nigger" on the radio while talking to a black woman and making other borderline racist comments, and people got mad at her. She said her constitutional rights were violated, but she's full of shit. People can judge people as they want, it's their constitutional right.
The difference there is advertisers where involved.
The difference is made up by the fact that you represent your employer as someone they deemed worthy to hire.
Quote from: Doktor Alphapance on August 27, 2010, 06:27:58 PM
Quote from: Charley Brown on August 27, 2010, 06:06:22 PM
Well, from a different viewpoint, what about what you say and do on your own time? Should your employer have the right to monitor your personal life and make job determinations based on it?
YOU ARE NEVER OFF THE COMPANY CLOCK. YOUR TIME BELONGS TO THE COMPANY. THOSE FOUND COMPLAINING WILL HAVE THEIR EMPLOYMENT TERMINATED.
THIS IS FOR YOUR OWN GOOD. TRUST THE COMPANY.
I'm salaried, so yeah.
One of you could shoot me now, if you don't mind.
Firstly, you can make it so your facebook page doesn't show up on a search engine, you can also untag yourself from pictures, and you don't even have to use your name. If an employer searches my full name, for example, even on facebook proper I won't show up because I don't use it.
Secondly, I don't approve searching for the name of an applicant. If I party on weekends, but have sterling references and know what the hell I'm doing, then they don't need to know what I do on weekends or my political opinions.
Quote from: Khara on August 27, 2010, 06:04:47 PM
I have to agree with Dok on this one. We are not allowed access to Facebook, MySpace or any social places like that at work and our owner monitors everyone's pages. If we are found to mention our workplace or fellow employees or supervisors etc on our page in a negative way we will get fired!
It sucks, but, It's not like it is up for debate in the office.
How do they monitor your pages, Khara?
Quote from: Thurnez Isa on August 27, 2010, 06:25:11 PM
Maybe it's the old union rep coming out but it comes down to this
If they fire you over something that is not in the contract you sign you have every right to seek legal action.
I don't know how it is the states.
Also in Canada as far as I know it has been established that free speech rights cross over to employment, expect in the cases there are violations of the companies contract or the company can demonstrate that the exercising of free speech has gone against your ability to perform your job (ie. you can get fired for preaching the gospel to a costumer, or if your teacher and your teaching something outside of the curriculum and doesn't have a basis in that subject)
IE. Teachers in Canada can be fired cause of facebook cause it's in their contract they could be disciplined for acts outside of their work. Although I disagree with this, it's in their contract so when you become a teacher you have to accept that.
most employment in America is "at-will" and no contract is involved. And america's 1st amendment reads:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. A subsequent court decision found that this right also applies to state and local governmental entities, but not to private parties.
Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on August 27, 2010, 06:26:14 PM
Quote from: Charley Brown on August 27, 2010, 06:14:59 PM
I guess I am on the other side of this. I like to post political issues on facebook. If an employer has a differing viewpoint them I am either disqualified or fired.
Freedom of speech squished.
I can't agree that this is a freedom of speech issue, as no one is silencing your opinion. Now,the hiring manager MAY disagree with your view, or your views may conflict with the philosophy of the company culture and effect how well you'll fit in, which I think is a valid consideration since you'll be spending at least 8 hours a day around this person. Also, if you're that vocal politically on your facebook, whats to say you wont be striking up politically charged conversations in the break room? I rage whenever someone at work starts giving me their take on the latest hot topic coming out of washington or my state government. If I wanted to hear and talk about that shit, I'll go to a website or rally or some such shit. I'm at work to do the companies business.
Also, the way you behave in toto reflects on your company. You might end up being involved with clients and customers. Nothing stops THEM from looking you up on facebook and seeing that you're a complete asshat, and the fact that the company they're doing business with would hire someone who doesn't even know how to set their facebook to private reflects on the company.
If credit checks are a valid way to see how someone manages their own finances before you put them in charge of a companies, then what you're stupid enough to put on the internets should be able to be used to determine just how much of a fuckup you could potentially be at your job.
What's to say I will?
See, what this opinion is setting up (to me) is allowing companies to control your private life. As long as, when I am at work, I am doing my job and not causing trouble, then IMO what I do in my offtime is not any business of the company.
Of course there are going to be exceptions. If I said on fb that my company sucked and my boss was a prick, then it may need to be looked at, for instance.
I don't use facebook at all. I get all the stalkers I need, right here at PD.
Upside: Bosses can't easily find my shit.
Downside: I don't know how to play farmville. :lulz:
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 27, 2010, 06:32:24 PM
I don't use facebook at all. I get all the stalkers I need, right here at PD.
Upside: Bosses can't easily find my shit.
Downside: I don't know how to play farmville. :lulz:
I don't see... :lulz:
Quote from: Doktor Alphapance on August 27, 2010, 06:27:58 PM
Quote from: Charley Brown on August 27, 2010, 06:06:22 PM
Well, from a different viewpoint, what about what you say and do on your own time? Should your employer have the right to monitor your personal life and make job determinations based on it?
YOU ARE NEVER OFF THE COMPANY CLOCK. YOUR TIME BELONGS TO THE COMPANY. THOSE FOUND COMPLAINING WILL HAVE THEIR EMPLOYMENT TERMINATED.
THIS IS FOR YOUR OWN GOOD. TRUST THE COMPANY.
THIS
At first blush, and without giving it deep consideration, on a personal level I would tend to disagree with firing an employee based on something on their FB page that had nothing to do with their job, but am totally fine with not hiring someone to begin with because of something they've made publicly available on the internet.
Quote from: Exit City Hustle on August 27, 2010, 06:34:37 PM
At first blush, and without giving it deep consideration, on a personal level I would tend to disagree with firing an employee based on something on their FB page that had nothing to do with their job, but am totally fine with not hiring someone to begin with because of something they've made publicly available on the internet.
I could agree with that.
Quote from: NWC on August 27, 2010, 06:30:00 PM
Quote from: Thurnez Isa on August 27, 2010, 06:28:19 PM
Quote from: NWC on August 27, 2010, 06:26:28 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 27, 2010, 06:18:31 PM
It is? The first amendment only protects you from government punishment for speech, not social consequences.
I can't believe I agree with you so much, but yes, yes, yes. This is the same concept as with Dr. Laura when she said "nigger" on the radio while talking to a black woman and making other borderline racist comments, and people got mad at her. She said her constitutional rights were violated, but she's full of shit. People can judge people as they want, it's their constitutional right.
The difference there is advertisers where involved.
The difference is made up by the fact that you represent your employer as someone they deemed worthy to hire.
She quit. She was not fired. Advertisers where pulling out. And I don't know the details of her contract, if she even had one.
Also her opinions, as a radio host, are actually THE job. The way she interacted with the public mattered. It is not the same as someone working in a grocery store, or doing tech work.
This is all good stuff, I think it boils down to (at least here in the states): You are free to Speak as you will, but you are responsible for the results of that speech. If posting pics of you being trashed or hitting a bong is 'speech' and you make it public... then an employer can hold you responsible for that 'speech'.
Now, in my opinion, this is just the natural extension of workplace intrusion into private lives that begins with the pee test and ends... well who knows where but at this point some employers are embedding RFID tags in their employees.
Until everyone says "Uhh... No." this will continue.
Quote from: Thurnez Isa on August 27, 2010, 06:35:25 PM
She quit. She was not fired. Advertisers where pulling out. And I don't know the details of her contract, if she even had one.
Also her opinions, as a radio host, are actually THE job. The way she interacted with the public mattered. It is not the same as someone working in a grocery store, or doing tech work.
Depends on the job, it's not a black and white issue, and you're certainly right in some cases. But a grocery store clerk who makes 'off' comments and makes people feel uncomfortable won't be around too long, he reflects poorly on the business, and he is interacting with the public.
LMNO: ::mittens::
I don't talk work on the internet for this reason. Everything's wired too. The wall IS an ear.
HR folks I know outside of work say they always look for web - presence associated with your name. Having some general presence is a good thing, but a myspace full of deviancy, illegal acts, substance use, and "Korn" playing in the background will not reflect well.
I also keep meaning to make a "professional" facebook account. Full name, for work friends, connections, etc., need to get on that.
Quote from: Ratatosk on August 27, 2010, 06:38:41 PM
This is all good stuff, I think it boils down to (at least here in the states): You are free to Speak as you will, but you are responsible for the results of that speech. If posting pics of you being trashed or hitting a bong is 'speech' and you make it public... then an employer can hold you responsible for that 'speech'.
Now, in my opinion, this is just the natural extension of workplace intrusion into private lives that begins with the pee test and ends... well who knows where but at this point some employers are embedding RFID tags in their employees.
Until everyone says "Uhh... No." this will continue.
I was told before I hired on that piss tests were mandatory. This is a chemical refinery inside city limits, after all.
I agreed to that at the time of my hiring, so it is not an intrusion into my life.
Quote from: Richter on August 27, 2010, 06:39:36 PM
I also keep meaning to make a "professional" facebook account. Full name, for work friends, connections, etc., need to get on that.
that's what LinkedIn is for.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 27, 2010, 06:40:43 PM
Quote from: Ratatosk on August 27, 2010, 06:38:41 PM
This is all good stuff, I think it boils down to (at least here in the states): You are free to Speak as you will, but you are responsible for the results of that speech. If posting pics of you being trashed or hitting a bong is 'speech' and you make it public... then an employer can hold you responsible for that 'speech'.
Now, in my opinion, this is just the natural extension of workplace intrusion into private lives that begins with the pee test and ends... well who knows where but at this point some employers are embedding RFID tags in their employees.
Until everyone says "Uhh... No." this will continue.
I was told before I hired on that piss tests were mandatory. This is a chemical refinery inside city limits, after all.
I agreed to that at the time of my hiring, so it is not an intrusion into my life.
This I agree with, it was made a condition of employment up front.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 27, 2010, 06:40:43 PM
Quote from: Ratatosk on August 27, 2010, 06:38:41 PM
This is all good stuff, I think it boils down to (at least here in the states): You are free to Speak as you will, but you are responsible for the results of that speech. If posting pics of you being trashed or hitting a bong is 'speech' and you make it public... then an employer can hold you responsible for that 'speech'.
Now, in my opinion, this is just the natural extension of workplace intrusion into private lives that begins with the pee test and ends... well who knows where but at this point some employers are embedding RFID tags in their employees.
Until everyone says "Uhh... No." this will continue.
I was told before I hired on that piss tests were mandatory. This is a chemical refinery inside city limits, after all.
I agreed to that at the time of my hiring, so it is not an intrusion into my life.
It's an intrusion that you accepted... but its still an intrusion. I'm not saying that you can't agree to be intruded upon. There is a company in central Ohio that doesn't let any of their employees use tobacco. Everyone agrees to it. However, its still an intrusion into their off work time... and they just make baskets.
I mean, how long, do you think, before "WE CAN FIRE YOU FOR YOUR INTERNETZ" is included in every hiring agreement? Which we'll of course all agree to... or be homeless.
I don't talk about my job on the internet because it's really fucking boring. Who wants to hear about Section 38a-1 of the SEC code all day?
Quote from: Charley Brown on August 27, 2010, 06:31:51 PM
Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on August 27, 2010, 06:26:14 PM
Quote from: Charley Brown on August 27, 2010, 06:14:59 PM
I guess I am on the other side of this. I like to post political issues on facebook. If an employer has a differing viewpoint them I am either disqualified or fired.
Freedom of speech squished.
I can't agree that this is a freedom of speech issue, as no one is silencing your opinion. Now,the hiring manager MAY disagree with your view, or your views may conflict with the philosophy of the company culture and effect how well you'll fit in, which I think is a valid consideration since you'll be spending at least 8 hours a day around this person. Also, if you're that vocal politically on your facebook, whats to say you wont be striking up politically charged conversations in the break room? I rage whenever someone at work starts giving me their take on the latest hot topic coming out of washington or my state government. If I wanted to hear and talk about that shit, I'll go to a website or rally or some such shit. I'm at work to do the companies business.
Also, the way you behave in toto reflects on your company. You might end up being involved with clients and customers. Nothing stops THEM from looking you up on facebook and seeing that you're a complete asshat, and the fact that the company they're doing business with would hire someone who doesn't even know how to set their facebook to private reflects on the company.
If credit checks are a valid way to see how someone manages their own finances before you put them in charge of a companies, then what you're stupid enough to put on the internets should be able to be used to determine just how much of a fuckup you could potentially be at your job.
What's to say I will?
See, what this opinion is setting up (to me) is allowing companies to control your private life. As long as, when I am at work, I am doing my job and not causing trouble, then IMO what I do in my offtime is not any business of the company.
Of course there are going to be exceptions. If I said on fb that my company sucked and my boss was a prick, then it may need to be looked at, for instance.
YOU control your private life and how much of it you share with the world. I don't take pictures of myself doing the stupid shit I do, so the only people that find out about it are the people stupid enough to do it with me.
a company controls who it wants to bring into its culture and pay to do a job. It's an area of Risk Management, and you'll find HR and Risk Management people think the same way, and may even share departments. An employee is an asset. The company will spend money to train you and groom you to do the job they need done. In this regard, they need to choose the best person they can based on available information.
and really, even the small part of me that says this IS a little discriminatory based on what would normally be private info, I go back to things like references for instance: say you give a personal reference, they call the person but turns out the person you gave has a grudge you don't know about and dishes on some stupid shit you do in your down time. A hiring manager will consider that when deciding to hire you.
If you put the information out there, expect people to look at it. If you want your private life to be private, don't put it on the public internet.
Quote from: NWC on August 27, 2010, 06:39:19 PM
Quote from: Thurnez Isa on August 27, 2010, 06:35:25 PM
She quit. She was not fired. Advertisers where pulling out. And I don't know the details of her contract, if she even had one.
Also her opinions, as a radio host, are actually THE job. The way she interacted with the public mattered. It is not the same as someone working in a grocery store, or doing tech work.
Depends on the job, it's not a black and white issue, and you're certainly right in some cases. But a grocery store clerk who makes 'off' comments and makes people feel uncomfortable won't be around too long, he reflects poorly on the business, and he is interacting with the public.
A lot of dismissals I was involved in, in fact all I was personally involved in, was wrongful.
When you get a job you should get copies of your contract and go over it with a fine comb. Cause you have lots of rights as a worker, but there no one but YOU stand up for them. I could tell you from personal experience even your union half the time wont do anything to help you unless you make a fuss.
Quote from: Doktor Alphapance on August 27, 2010, 06:46:05 PM
I don't talk about my job on the internet because it's really fucking boring. Who wants to hear about Section 38a-1 of the SEC code all day?
:fap:
Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on August 27, 2010, 06:47:02 PM
Quote from: Charley Brown on August 27, 2010, 06:31:51 PM
Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on August 27, 2010, 06:26:14 PM
Quote from: Charley Brown on August 27, 2010, 06:14:59 PM
I guess I am on the other side of this. I like to post political issues on facebook. If an employer has a differing viewpoint them I am either disqualified or fired.
Freedom of speech squished.
I can't agree that this is a freedom of speech issue, as no one is silencing your opinion. Now,the hiring manager MAY disagree with your view, or your views may conflict with the philosophy of the company culture and effect how well you'll fit in, which I think is a valid consideration since you'll be spending at least 8 hours a day around this person. Also, if you're that vocal politically on your facebook, whats to say you wont be striking up politically charged conversations in the break room? I rage whenever someone at work starts giving me their take on the latest hot topic coming out of washington or my state government. If I wanted to hear and talk about that shit, I'll go to a website or rally or some such shit. I'm at work to do the companies business.
Also, the way you behave in toto reflects on your company. You might end up being involved with clients and customers. Nothing stops THEM from looking you up on facebook and seeing that you're a complete asshat, and the fact that the company they're doing business with would hire someone who doesn't even know how to set their facebook to private reflects on the company.
If credit checks are a valid way to see how someone manages their own finances before you put them in charge of a companies, then what you're stupid enough to put on the internets should be able to be used to determine just how much of a fuckup you could potentially be at your job.
What's to say I will?
See, what this opinion is setting up (to me) is allowing companies to control your private life. As long as, when I am at work, I am doing my job and not causing trouble, then IMO what I do in my offtime is not any business of the company.
Of course there are going to be exceptions. If I said on fb that my company sucked and my boss was a prick, then it may need to be looked at, for instance.
YOU control your private life and how much of it you share with the world. I don't take pictures of myself doing the stupid shit I do, so the only people that find out about it are the people stupid enough to do it with me.
a company controls who it wants to bring into its culture and pay to do a job. It's an area of Risk Management, and you'll find HR and Risk Management people think the same way, and may even share departments. An employee is an asset. The company will spend money to train you and groom you to do the job they need done. In this regard, they need to choose the best person they can based on available information.
and really, even the small part of me that says this IS a little discriminatory based on what would normally be private info, I go back to things like references for instance: say you give a personal reference, they call the person but turns out the person you gave has a grudge you don't know about and dishes on some stupid shit you do in your down time. A hiring manager will consider that when deciding to hire you.
If you put the information out there, expect people to look at it. If you want your private life to be private, don't put it on the public internet.
Stopped reading at bolded part.
An employee IS A FUCKING HUMAN BEING.
Quote from: Charley Brown on August 27, 2010, 06:49:14 PM
Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on August 27, 2010, 06:47:02 PM
Quote from: Charley Brown on August 27, 2010, 06:31:51 PM
Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on August 27, 2010, 06:26:14 PM
Quote from: Charley Brown on August 27, 2010, 06:14:59 PM
I guess I am on the other side of this. I like to post political issues on facebook. If an employer has a differing viewpoint them I am either disqualified or fired.
Freedom of speech squished.
I can't agree that this is a freedom of speech issue, as no one is silencing your opinion. Now,the hiring manager MAY disagree with your view, or your views may conflict with the philosophy of the company culture and effect how well you'll fit in, which I think is a valid consideration since you'll be spending at least 8 hours a day around this person. Also, if you're that vocal politically on your facebook, whats to say you wont be striking up politically charged conversations in the break room? I rage whenever someone at work starts giving me their take on the latest hot topic coming out of washington or my state government. If I wanted to hear and talk about that shit, I'll go to a website or rally or some such shit. I'm at work to do the companies business.
Also, the way you behave in toto reflects on your company. You might end up being involved with clients and customers. Nothing stops THEM from looking you up on facebook and seeing that you're a complete asshat, and the fact that the company they're doing business with would hire someone who doesn't even know how to set their facebook to private reflects on the company.
If credit checks are a valid way to see how someone manages their own finances before you put them in charge of a companies, then what you're stupid enough to put on the internets should be able to be used to determine just how much of a fuckup you could potentially be at your job.
What's to say I will?
See, what this opinion is setting up (to me) is allowing companies to control your private life. As long as, when I am at work, I am doing my job and not causing trouble, then IMO what I do in my offtime is not any business of the company.
Of course there are going to be exceptions. If I said on fb that my company sucked and my boss was a prick, then it may need to be looked at, for instance.
YOU control your private life and how much of it you share with the world. I don't take pictures of myself doing the stupid shit I do, so the only people that find out about it are the people stupid enough to do it with me.
a company controls who it wants to bring into its culture and pay to do a job. It's an area of Risk Management, and you'll find HR and Risk Management people think the same way, and may even share departments. An employee is an asset. The company will spend money to train you and groom you to do the job they need done. In this regard, they need to choose the best person they can based on available information.
and really, even the small part of me that says this IS a little discriminatory based on what would normally be private info, I go back to things like references for instance: say you give a personal reference, they call the person but turns out the person you gave has a grudge you don't know about and dishes on some stupid shit you do in your down time. A hiring manager will consider that when deciding to hire you.
If you put the information out there, expect people to look at it. If you want your private life to be private, don't put it on the public internet.
Stopped reading at bolded part. An employee IS A FUCKING HUMAN BEING.
Of course they are. But once they're being paid, whether it's by an individual or a corporate entity, and they're expected to perform a job to a certain standard, the work they do has value, and is therefore an asset.
so maybe I should have said their time and work they do for the company is an asset.
I "sign" something digitally every day saying that if I disclose ANYTHING about my job, I can be fired. Period. That limits my conversation about my job in a big way. :lol:
That being said, I have a shit-ton of people from work on my FB, mostly because I hate the damned thing (I've said that before), but I don't mind reading up on what people are up to. I use it, and I'm open on this, to lurk and read/voyeur, but my private life is pretty much off the clock. It's just not worth the hassle of private vs. public, and it's on the interbutts, anyway.
I decided a while back that myspace and FB wouldn't be crucial to my survival OR my networking with those I care about. A curiosity piece is really all I use it for. There's too much that's unsettled about individuals' rights and employers' rights on this issue for me to be able to wade through on a day to day basis.
Quote from: Charley Brown on August 27, 2010, 06:49:14 PM
Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on August 27, 2010, 06:47:02 PM
Quote from: Charley Brown on August 27, 2010, 06:31:51 PM
Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on August 27, 2010, 06:26:14 PM
Quote from: Charley Brown on August 27, 2010, 06:14:59 PM
I guess I am on the other side of this. I like to post political issues on facebook. If an employer has a differing viewpoint them I am either disqualified or fired.
Freedom of speech squished.
I can't agree that this is a freedom of speech issue, as no one is silencing your opinion. Now,the hiring manager MAY disagree with your view, or your views may conflict with the philosophy of the company culture and effect how well you'll fit in, which I think is a valid consideration since you'll be spending at least 8 hours a day around this person. Also, if you're that vocal politically on your facebook, whats to say you wont be striking up politically charged conversations in the break room? I rage whenever someone at work starts giving me their take on the latest hot topic coming out of washington or my state government. If I wanted to hear and talk about that shit, I'll go to a website or rally or some such shit. I'm at work to do the companies business.
Also, the way you behave in toto reflects on your company. You might end up being involved with clients and customers. Nothing stops THEM from looking you up on facebook and seeing that you're a complete asshat, and the fact that the company they're doing business with would hire someone who doesn't even know how to set their facebook to private reflects on the company.
If credit checks are a valid way to see how someone manages their own finances before you put them in charge of a companies, then what you're stupid enough to put on the internets should be able to be used to determine just how much of a fuckup you could potentially be at your job.
What's to say I will?
See, what this opinion is setting up (to me) is allowing companies to control your private life. As long as, when I am at work, I am doing my job and not causing trouble, then IMO what I do in my offtime is not any business of the company.
Of course there are going to be exceptions. If I said on fb that my company sucked and my boss was a prick, then it may need to be looked at, for instance.
YOU control your private life and how much of it you share with the world. I don't take pictures of myself doing the stupid shit I do, so the only people that find out about it are the people stupid enough to do it with me.
a company controls who it wants to bring into its culture and pay to do a job. It's an area of Risk Management, and you'll find HR and Risk Management people think the same way, and may even share departments. An employee is an asset. The company will spend money to train you and groom you to do the job they need done. In this regard, they need to choose the best person they can based on available information.
and really, even the small part of me that says this IS a little discriminatory based on what would normally be private info, I go back to things like references for instance: say you give a personal reference, they call the person but turns out the person you gave has a grudge you don't know about and dishes on some stupid shit you do in your down time. A hiring manager will consider that when deciding to hire you.
If you put the information out there, expect people to look at it. If you want your private life to be private, don't put it on the public internet.
Stopped reading at bolded part. An employee IS A FUCKING HUMAN BEING.
not that I totally disagree, but you're tilting at windmills.
Quote from: Exit City Hustle on August 27, 2010, 06:57:32 PM
Quote from: Charley Brown on August 27, 2010, 06:49:14 PM
Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on August 27, 2010, 06:47:02 PM
Quote from: Charley Brown on August 27, 2010, 06:31:51 PM
Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on August 27, 2010, 06:26:14 PM
Quote from: Charley Brown on August 27, 2010, 06:14:59 PM
I guess I am on the other side of this. I like to post political issues on facebook. If an employer has a differing viewpoint them I am either disqualified or fired.
Freedom of speech squished.
I can't agree that this is a freedom of speech issue, as no one is silencing your opinion. Now,the hiring manager MAY disagree with your view, or your views may conflict with the philosophy of the company culture and effect how well you'll fit in, which I think is a valid consideration since you'll be spending at least 8 hours a day around this person. Also, if you're that vocal politically on your facebook, whats to say you wont be striking up politically charged conversations in the break room? I rage whenever someone at work starts giving me their take on the latest hot topic coming out of washington or my state government. If I wanted to hear and talk about that shit, I'll go to a website or rally or some such shit. I'm at work to do the companies business.
Also, the way you behave in toto reflects on your company. You might end up being involved with clients and customers. Nothing stops THEM from looking you up on facebook and seeing that you're a complete asshat, and the fact that the company they're doing business with would hire someone who doesn't even know how to set their facebook to private reflects on the company.
If credit checks are a valid way to see how someone manages their own finances before you put them in charge of a companies, then what you're stupid enough to put on the internets should be able to be used to determine just how much of a fuckup you could potentially be at your job.
What's to say I will?
See, what this opinion is setting up (to me) is allowing companies to control your private life. As long as, when I am at work, I am doing my job and not causing trouble, then IMO what I do in my offtime is not any business of the company.
Of course there are going to be exceptions. If I said on fb that my company sucked and my boss was a prick, then it may need to be looked at, for instance.
YOU control your private life and how much of it you share with the world. I don't take pictures of myself doing the stupid shit I do, so the only people that find out about it are the people stupid enough to do it with me.
a company controls who it wants to bring into its culture and pay to do a job. It's an area of Risk Management, and you'll find HR and Risk Management people think the same way, and may even share departments. An employee is an asset. The company will spend money to train you and groom you to do the job they need done. In this regard, they need to choose the best person they can based on available information.
and really, even the small part of me that says this IS a little discriminatory based on what would normally be private info, I go back to things like references for instance: say you give a personal reference, they call the person but turns out the person you gave has a grudge you don't know about and dishes on some stupid shit you do in your down time. A hiring manager will consider that when deciding to hire you.
If you put the information out there, expect people to look at it. If you want your private life to be private, don't put it on the public internet.
Stopped reading at bolded part. An employee IS A FUCKING HUMAN BEING.
not that I totally disagree, but you're tilting at windmills.
2/3 windmills deserve it.
I'm with Charley on that one.
If you allow yourself to become an "asset" or a "resource", then you deserve it.
Quote from: Thurnez Isa on August 27, 2010, 06:48:02 PM
A lot of dismissals I was involved in, in fact all I was personally involved in, was wrongful.
When you get a job you should get copies of your contract and go over it with a fine comb. Cause you have lots of rights as a worker, but there no one but YOU stand up for them. I could tell you from personal experience even your union half the time wont do anything to help you unless you make a fuss.
I was all but let go for talking about the Principia at a temp job once. The managers were SUPER christian, and I was reading it during a break, so they brought it up, and the next day $100 were missing from my register, and so they had to suspend me. I quit right after, having found a much better job, but I'm not a fool. I didn't take the money, and the manager who didn't like my interest in non-cristianity counted the drawer and suspended me.
I learned to shut the fuck up about what I think around the manager. It's not right, but it happens, and I shouldn't have been flaunting that book, which brings up a sensitive topic, around the workplace, I knew these guys were crazy-ass christians. I completely disagree with what happened there, but if it had been a book about how to hide corpses or some creepy shit like that, I would understand them wanting to get me out of there.
But when it comes to the issue of giving an air of irresponsibility in a public seeing space, I simply can't blame the manager for not wanting to work with irresponsible people. If I, as a manager, saw that someone was an irresponsible person in town square - which is the analog equivalent to a public facebook page - but I couldn't let that affect my hiring decision, I would be super pissed.
That being said, fuck those guys who said I stole $100.
Quote from: Jenne on August 27, 2010, 06:55:53 PM
I "sign" something digitally every day saying that if I disclose ANYTHING about my job, I can be fired. Period. That limits my conversation about my job in a big way. :lol:
That being said, I have a shit-ton of people from work on my FB, mostly because I hate the damned thing (I've said that before), but I don't mind reading up on what people are up to. I use it, and I'm open on this, to lurk and read/voyeur, but my private life is pretty much off the clock. It's just not worth the hassle of private vs. public, and it's on the interbutts, anyway.
I decided a while back that myspace and FB wouldn't be crucial to my survival OR my networking with those I care about. A curiosity piece is really all I use it for. There's too much that's unsettled about individuals' rights and employers' rights on this issue for me to be able to wade through on a day to day basis.
I'm in the same position. I do not post anything on my FB that I wouldn't say directly to my boss. My private life has to remain private for my survival, so I generally keep my mouth shut everywhere. Some of y'all know more about me than people I have worked with for 5 years now.
In all honesty, I get off easy... my manager and the VP I work under know all about me, my life and I think strongly suspect some details on my choices in recreation. However, they don't appear to give a damn. If they had, I would have left the company years ago.
Quote from: NWC on August 27, 2010, 07:01:21 PM
Quote from: Thurnez Isa on August 27, 2010, 06:48:02 PM
A lot of dismissals I was involved in, in fact all I was personally involved in, was wrongful.
When you get a job you should get copies of your contract and go over it with a fine comb. Cause you have lots of rights as a worker, but there no one but YOU stand up for them. I could tell you from personal experience even your union half the time wont do anything to help you unless you make a fuss.
I was all but let go for talking about the Principia at a temp job once. The managers were SUPER christian, and I was reading it during a break, so they brought it up, and the next day $100 were missing from my register, and so they had to suspend me. I quit right after, having found a much better job, but I'm not a fool. I didn't take the money, and the manager who didn't like my interest in non-cristianity counted the drawer and suspended me.
I learned to shut the fuck up about what I think around the manager. It's not right, but it happens, and I shouldn't have been flaunting that book, which brings up a sensitive topic, around the workplace, I knew these guys were crazy-ass christians. I completely disagree with what happened there, but if it had been a book about how to hide corpses or some creepy shit like that, I would understand them wanting to get me out of there.
But when it comes to the issue of giving an air of irresponsibility in a public seeing space, I simply can't blame the manager for not wanting to work with irresponsible people. If I, as a manager, saw that someone was an irresponsible person in town square - which is the analog equivalent to a public facebook page - but I couldn't let that affect my hiring decision, I would be super pissed.
That being said, fuck those guys who said I stole $100.
I don't know American law. I could say in every service place I've been it, and everywhere I know, employees count their own till and management double checks its. The two counts are then are compared.
Management is NOT allowed to count your till if you tell them I wanna count it first.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 27, 2010, 07:01:08 PM
I'm with Charley on that one.
If you allow yourself to become an "asset" or a "resource", then you deserve it.
maybe I'm not being clear, maybe we just disagree, I'm thinking of this not just as an employee myself, but hopefully a future employer of people:
I consider myself, what I know and do, the time I've put in to learn what I do for a living to be an asset to ME. It has value to me personally and the value I consider it in terms of what it's worth to a company reflects in the salary that I ask for. Of course I'm still a person, not an ant in a colony, though from that viewpoint you could say that if a drone ant could no longer fuck the queen, he'd cease to have value to the colony. If I no longer had a working brain, I would cease to be able to command my salary.
I am a person with a skill that a company can use. What I do in my private life may not necessarily directly effect that skill, but that depends on the job. Either way, what I do in a public forum, whether it be the internet or the town square, reflects on me as a person.
I think a company should be able to use that information to determine the quality of work you would do and the judgements you would make while being paid to do your job.
Or maybe I'm just getting off on a tangent here and you should tell me to STFU N00b and go back to work.
anyway, good thread.
Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on August 27, 2010, 07:16:34 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 27, 2010, 07:01:08 PM
I'm with Charley on that one.
If you allow yourself to become an "asset" or a "resource", then you deserve it.
maybe I'm not being clear, maybe we just disagree, I'm thinking of this not just as an employee myself, but hopefully a future employer of people:
I consider myself, what I know and do, the time I've put in to learn what I do for a living to be an asset to ME. It has value to me personally and the value I consider it in terms of what it's worth to a company reflects in the salary that I ask for. Of course I'm still a person, not an ant in a colony, though from that viewpoint you could say that if a drone ant could no longer fuck the queen, he'd cease to have value to the colony. If I no longer had a working brain, I would cease to be able to command my salary.
I am a person with a skill that a company can use. What I do in my private life may not necessarily directly effect that skill, but that depends on the job. Either way, what I do in a public forum, whether it be the internet or the town square, reflects on me as a person.
I think a company should be able to use that information to determine the quality of work you would do and the judgements you would make while being paid to do your job.
Or maybe I'm just getting off on a tangent here and you should tell me to STFU N00b and go back to work.
anyway, good thread.
You are just another Good Citizen™.
Quote from: Thurnez Isa on August 27, 2010, 07:12:19 PM
Quote from: NWC on August 27, 2010, 07:01:21 PM
Quote from: Thurnez Isa on August 27, 2010, 06:48:02 PM
A lot of dismissals I was involved in, in fact all I was personally involved in, was wrongful.
When you get a job you should get copies of your contract and go over it with a fine comb. Cause you have lots of rights as a worker, but there no one but YOU stand up for them. I could tell you from personal experience even your union half the time wont do anything to help you unless you make a fuss.
I was all but let go for talking about the Principia at a temp job once. The managers were SUPER christian, and I was reading it during a break, so they brought it up, and the next day $100 were missing from my register, and so they had to suspend me. I quit right after, having found a much better job, but I'm not a fool. I didn't take the money, and the manager who didn't like my interest in non-cristianity counted the drawer and suspended me.
I learned to shut the fuck up about what I think around the manager. It's not right, but it happens, and I shouldn't have been flaunting that book, which brings up a sensitive topic, around the workplace, I knew these guys were crazy-ass christians. I completely disagree with what happened there, but if it had been a book about how to hide corpses or some creepy shit like that, I would understand them wanting to get me out of there.
But when it comes to the issue of giving an air of irresponsibility in a public seeing space, I simply can't blame the manager for not wanting to work with irresponsible people. If I, as a manager, saw that someone was an irresponsible person in town square - which is the analog equivalent to a public facebook page - but I couldn't let that affect my hiring decision, I would be super pissed.
That being said, fuck those guys who said I stole $100.
I don't know American law. I could say in every service place I've been it, and everywhere I know, employees count their own till and management double checks its. The two counts are then are compared.
Management is NOT allowed to count your till if you tell them I wanna count it first.
That's usually how it is, this is the only time I've seen it differently. It was a fireworks store at which each till would run around $1300/hour, and they didn't trust anyone. Every other place I've had a register at, I was the only one to count it, the managers always trusted me, sometimes even more than they trusted themselves to do the math.
Quote from: Charley Brown on August 27, 2010, 07:19:27 PM
Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on August 27, 2010, 07:16:34 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 27, 2010, 07:01:08 PM
I'm with Charley on that one.
If you allow yourself to become an "asset" or a "resource", then you deserve it.
maybe I'm not being clear, maybe we just disagree, I'm thinking of this not just as an employee myself, but hopefully a future employer of people:
I consider myself, what I know and do, the time I've put in to learn what I do for a living to be an asset to ME. It has value to me personally and the value I consider it in terms of what it's worth to a company reflects in the salary that I ask for. Of course I'm still a person, not an ant in a colony, though from that viewpoint you could say that if a drone ant could no longer fuck the queen, he'd cease to have value to the colony. If I no longer had a working brain, I would cease to be able to command my salary.
I am a person with a skill that a company can use. What I do in my private life may not necessarily directly effect that skill, but that depends on the job. Either way, what I do in a public forum, whether it be the internet or the town square, reflects on me as a person.
I think a company should be able to use that information to determine the quality of work you would do and the judgements you would make while being paid to do your job.
Or maybe I'm just getting off on a tangent here and you should tell me to STFU N00b and go back to work.
anyway, good thread.
You are just another Good Citizen™.
dirty pool sir, dirty pool.
I have a family to support, and I truly enjoy my work. I create things that have benefit to people and that didn't exist before I thought of them. Every day.
also, survival requires people to either be gainfully employeed, born into vast wealth, or sucking on the social teat of government.
Yeah, maybe I am a cog in a machine somewhere, but personally I don't like living on the streets. Been there done that.
doesn't mean I can't create a little chaos every now and again when the mood strikes me.
Shooting a 3 ball 2 rail combo is not dirty pool, it is skill.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 27, 2010, 06:14:13 PM
Private page is private.
Public page is PUBLIC.
this. /thread.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 27, 2010, 05:59:52 PM
Quote from: Charley Brown on August 27, 2010, 05:58:05 PM
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/2010/08/26/prism.social.media.work.cnn?hpt=C2
Germany so far is the only country taking steps to preventing potential employers from using social media to determine hiring practices.
I disagree with Germany. If you're dumb enough to smear yourself IN PUBLIC, then an employer has the right to react to that.
Good point. Although I think they could do something about it, but then rather in the form of a public awareness campaign regarding the importance of properly managing your privacy, or something. Nothing wrong with educating the dumb, after all.
Also, I'm on one social network (afaik), a Dutch one, and I prefer it not having pics of me puking or whatever. The photos that show me partying, just show a normal young Dutch guy having fun. Regardless of whether it's my friends or my boss who get to see it.
Quote from: Triple Zero on August 27, 2010, 07:51:31 PM
Also, I'm on one social network (afaik), a Dutch one, and I prefer it not having pics of me puking or whatever. The photos that show me partying, just show a normal young Dutch guy having fun. Regardless of whether it's my friends or my boss who get to see it.
But what about opinions, thoughts, and ideas? Are you as careful about posting them as well?
Seems to me, as an opinion, that it would suck to be afraid to say whatever you wanted to.
Quote from: Charley Brown on August 27, 2010, 07:31:03 PM
Shooting a 3 ball 2 rail combo is not dirty pool, it is skill.
very effective method of ending our conversation.
well played sir, well played.
Quote from: Charley Brown on August 27, 2010, 07:55:38 PM
Quote from: Triple Zero on August 27, 2010, 07:51:31 PM
Also, I'm on one social network (afaik), a Dutch one, and I prefer it not having pics of me puking or whatever. The photos that show me partying, just show a normal young Dutch guy having fun. Regardless of whether it's my friends or my boss who get to see it.
But what about opinions, thoughts, and ideas? Are you as careful about posting them as well?
Seems to me, as an opinion, that it would suck to be afraid to say whatever you wanted to.
Yeah, an employer shouldn't choose not to hire you based on your opinions and ideas on a social networking site, as far as they don't affect your work. But something made public on there that could affect your desirability as a worker or representative of the company - I don't see why that's going too far.
Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on August 27, 2010, 08:03:08 PM
Quote from: Charley Brown on August 27, 2010, 07:31:03 PM
Shooting a 3 ball 2 rail combo is not dirty pool, it is skill.
very effective method of ending our conversation.
well played sir, well played.
Didn't intend to end the conversation. I am by nature a smart ass. 8)
Quote from: Triple Zero on August 27, 2010, 07:43:39 PM
Nothing wrong with educating the dumb, after all.
:crankey:
Quote from: Charley Brown on August 27, 2010, 08:18:10 PM
Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on August 27, 2010, 08:03:08 PM
Quote from: Charley Brown on August 27, 2010, 07:31:03 PM
Shooting a 3 ball 2 rail combo is not dirty pool, it is skill.
very effective method of ending our conversation.
well played sir, well played.
Didn't intend to end the conversation. I am by nature a smart ass. 8)
a quality in a person that I hold in high regard. maybe the highest.
Quote from: Charley Brown on August 27, 2010, 06:14:59 PM
I guess I am on the other side of this. I like to post political issues on facebook. If an employer has a differing viewpoint them I am either disqualified or fired.
Freedom of speech squished.
Firing someone for a difference in political views is illegal in the US, no matter how you found that information. (falls under the creed part of non-discrimination)
Quote from: Ratatosk on August 27, 2010, 06:44:59 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 27, 2010, 06:40:43 PM
Quote from: Ratatosk on August 27, 2010, 06:38:41 PM
This is all good stuff, I think it boils down to (at least here in the states): You are free to Speak as you will, but you are responsible for the results of that speech. If posting pics of you being trashed or hitting a bong is 'speech' and you make it public... then an employer can hold you responsible for that 'speech'.
Now, in my opinion, this is just the natural extension of workplace intrusion into private lives that begins with the pee test and ends... well who knows where but at this point some employers are embedding RFID tags in their employees.
Until everyone says "Uhh... No." this will continue.
I was told before I hired on that piss tests were mandatory. This is a chemical refinery inside city limits, after all.
I agreed to that at the time of my hiring, so it is not an intrusion into my life.
It's an intrusion that you accepted... but its still an intrusion. I'm not saying that you can't agree to be intruded upon. There is a company in central Ohio that doesn't let any of their employees use tobacco. Everyone agrees to it. However, its still an intrusion into their off work time... and they just make baskets.
I mean, how long, do you think, before "WE CAN FIRE YOU FOR YOUR INTERNETZ" is included in every hiring agreement? Which we'll of course all agree to... or be homeless.
Longaburger has let employees smoke ever since the HR manager that made that rule was caught smoking, that was like 15 years ago.
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on August 27, 2010, 08:22:17 PM
Quote from: Charley Brown on August 27, 2010, 06:14:59 PM
I guess I am on the other side of this. I like to post political issues on facebook. If an employer has a differing viewpoint them I am either disqualified or fired.
Freedom of speech squished.
Firing someone for a difference in political views is illegal in the US, no matter how you found that information. (falls under the creed part of non-discrimination)
I was recently fired for not being a Christian. Can I prove it? No.
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on August 27, 2010, 08:28:21 PM
Quote from: Ratatosk on August 27, 2010, 06:44:59 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 27, 2010, 06:40:43 PM
Quote from: Ratatosk on August 27, 2010, 06:38:41 PM
This is all good stuff, I think it boils down to (at least here in the states): You are free to Speak as you will, but you are responsible for the results of that speech. If posting pics of you being trashed or hitting a bong is 'speech' and you make it public... then an employer can hold you responsible for that 'speech'.
Now, in my opinion, this is just the natural extension of workplace intrusion into private lives that begins with the pee test and ends... well who knows where but at this point some employers are embedding RFID tags in their employees.
Until everyone says "Uhh... No." this will continue.
I was told before I hired on that piss tests were mandatory. This is a chemical refinery inside city limits, after all.
I agreed to that at the time of my hiring, so it is not an intrusion into my life.
It's an intrusion that you accepted... but its still an intrusion. I'm not saying that you can't agree to be intruded upon. There is a company in central Ohio that doesn't let any of their employees use tobacco. Everyone agrees to it. However, its still an intrusion into their off work time... and they just make baskets.
I mean, how long, do you think, before "WE CAN FIRE YOU FOR YOUR INTERNETZ" is included in every hiring agreement? Which we'll of course all agree to... or be homeless.
Longaburger has let employees smoke ever since the HR manager that made that rule was caught smoking, that was like 15 years ago.
Really? Damn, its been that long....
Quote from: Charley Brown on August 27, 2010, 08:29:50 PM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on August 27, 2010, 08:22:17 PM
Quote from: Charley Brown on August 27, 2010, 06:14:59 PM
I guess I am on the other side of this. I like to post political issues on facebook. If an employer has a differing viewpoint them I am either disqualified or fired.
Freedom of speech squished.
Firing someone for a difference in political views is illegal in the US, no matter how you found that information. (falls under the creed part of non-discrimination)
I was recently fired for not being a Christian. Can I prove it? No.
I've been "laid off" for being left of Atilla the Hun by a right wing nutjob boss. That boss, incidentally, was fired for some contrived excuse when it came out that he was gay.
Quote from: Charley Brown on August 27, 2010, 08:29:50 PM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on August 27, 2010, 08:22:17 PM
Quote from: Charley Brown on August 27, 2010, 06:14:59 PM
I guess I am on the other side of this. I like to post political issues on facebook. If an employer has a differing viewpoint them I am either disqualified or fired.
Freedom of speech squished.
Firing someone for a difference in political views is illegal in the US, no matter how you found that information. (falls under the creed part of non-discrimination)
I was recently fired for not being a Christian. Can I prove it? No.
You also can't prove they found it on facebook (or however the found it) so making it illegal for them to look at it would be irrelevant.
Not to mention, they don't even need to say the word Facebook when they fire you.
It's pretty easy to mock up some crap about "productivity" or "performance" issues. They may have fired you because they saw your tits on the internet, but the official documents will cite "a lack of productivity."
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on August 27, 2010, 08:22:17 PM
Quote from: Charley Brown on August 27, 2010, 06:14:59 PM
I guess I am on the other side of this. I like to post political issues on facebook. If an employer has a differing viewpoint them I am either disqualified or fired.
Freedom of speech squished.
Firing someone for a difference in political views is illegal in the US, no matter how you found that information. (falls under the creed part of nondiscrimination)
what about not hiring them in the first place? I admit I don't know all of the law. Though I'm quite familiar with nondiscriminatory practices, they could just as easily find any other reason i.e. found a better candidate.
Florida is a right to work state, so employers can basically lay you off at will and that's usually stated in the offer of employment. I suppose the burden of proof of discrimination would be like anywhere else, on the employee, but it's easier here to cut payroll.
And I was never for employers firing someone for something they found on facebook that wasn't illegal or against the company. I think there should be a slide rule, HR could speak to the employee and explain how this would look to a client or reflects on the company and teach them about personal privacy in the internet age. If other than the stupidity they posted, they perform their job in an exemplary manner, they shouldn't be let go.
They should be able to evaluate a person BEFORE they're hired using available means. I mentioned credit checks being used, and they are. How is facebook any different other than they aren't yet notifying a potential employee that they will use this method, like they do with a credit check?
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 27, 2010, 05:59:52 PM
Quote from: Charley Brown on August 27, 2010, 05:58:05 PM
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/2010/08/26/prism.social.media.work.cnn?hpt=C2
Germany so far is the only country taking steps to preventing potential employers from using social media to determine hiring practices.
I disagree with Germany. If you're dumb enough to smear yourself IN PUBLIC, then an employer has the right to react to that.
And if somebody else with the same first and last name is dumb enough to do it, you should also suffer!
Quote from: Requia ☣ on August 27, 2010, 08:38:57 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 27, 2010, 05:59:52 PM
Quote from: Charley Brown on August 27, 2010, 05:58:05 PM
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/2010/08/26/prism.social.media.work.cnn?hpt=C2
Germany so far is the only country taking steps to preventing potential employers from using social media to determine hiring practices.
I disagree with Germany. If you're dumb enough to smear yourself IN PUBLIC, then an employer has the right to react to that.
And if somebody else with the same first and last name is dumb enough to do it, you should also suffer!
There's another Roger Penrose out there. He's an old geezer in England who's about the best living mathematician in the world. Some 17th cousin or some shit. I don't think an interviewer is going to mistake my hotness for his old-and-bustedness.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 27, 2010, 08:40:40 PM
Quote from: Requia ☣ on August 27, 2010, 08:38:57 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 27, 2010, 05:59:52 PM
Quote from: Charley Brown on August 27, 2010, 05:58:05 PM
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/2010/08/26/prism.social.media.work.cnn?hpt=C2
Germany so far is the only country taking steps to preventing potential employers from using social media to determine hiring practices.
I disagree with Germany. If you're dumb enough to smear yourself IN PUBLIC, then an employer has the right to react to that.
And if somebody else with the same first and last name is dumb enough to do it, you should also suffer!
There's another Roger Penrose out there. He's an old geezer in England who's about the best living mathematician in the world. Some 17th cousin or some shit. I don't think an interviewer is going to mistake my hotness for his old-and-bustedness.
I think something like 90% of the other guys on FB with my first and last name are all Welsh...so I am boned...fucking Welsh.
Quote from: Secret Level on August 27, 2010, 08:42:19 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 27, 2010, 08:40:40 PM
Quote from: Requia ☣ on August 27, 2010, 08:38:57 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 27, 2010, 05:59:52 PM
Quote from: Charley Brown on August 27, 2010, 05:58:05 PM
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/2010/08/26/prism.social.media.work.cnn?hpt=C2
Germany so far is the only country taking steps to preventing potential employers from using social media to determine hiring practices.
I disagree with Germany. If you're dumb enough to smear yourself IN PUBLIC, then an employer has the right to react to that.
And if somebody else with the same first and last name is dumb enough to do it, you should also suffer!
There's another Roger Penrose out there. He's an old geezer in England who's about the best living mathematician in the world. Some 17th cousin or some shit. I don't think an interviewer is going to mistake my hotness for his old-and-bustedness.
I think something like 90% of the other guys on FB with my first and last name are all Welsh...so I am boned...fucking Welsh.
Your real name has no vowels? :?
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 27, 2010, 08:43:21 PM
Quote from: Secret Level on August 27, 2010, 08:42:19 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 27, 2010, 08:40:40 PM
Quote from: Requia ☣ on August 27, 2010, 08:38:57 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 27, 2010, 05:59:52 PM
Quote from: Charley Brown on August 27, 2010, 05:58:05 PM
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/2010/08/26/prism.social.media.work.cnn?hpt=C2
Germany so far is the only country taking steps to preventing potential employers from using social media to determine hiring practices.
I disagree with Germany. If you're dumb enough to smear yourself IN PUBLIC, then an employer has the right to react to that.
And if somebody else with the same first and last name is dumb enough to do it, you should also suffer!
There's another Roger Penrose out there. He's an old geezer in England who's about the best living mathematician in the world. Some 17th cousin or some shit. I don't think an interviewer is going to mistake my hotness for his old-and-bustedness.
I think something like 90% of the other guys on FB with my first and last name are all Welsh...so I am boned...fucking Welsh.
Your real name has no vowels? :?
Yes, my real name has no vowels. My parent's hated me. That is why I lash at authority figures. Because my name has no vowels. No vowels at all.
(http://palmgoon.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/the_more_you_know2.jpg)
I dunno. I agree with Doktor Howl. If you're going to display your retardation for all to see, employers should be allowed to factor that in. Other people are going to do the same. Part of getting a job is selling yourself as a valuable commodity that the employer should be all over like mice on peanut butter. Vomit-covered drunks aren't that valuable.
Quote from: Secret Level on August 27, 2010, 08:44:49 PM
Yes, my real name has no vowels. My parent's hated me. That is why I lash at authority figures. Because my name has no vowels. No vowels at all.
So, it's like Gthffssffl or some shit?
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 27, 2010, 08:46:10 PM
Quote from: Secret Level on August 27, 2010, 08:44:49 PM
Yes, my real name has no vowels. My parent's hated me. That is why I lash at authority figures. Because my name has no vowels. No vowels at all.
So, it's like Gthffssffl or some shit?
:eek:
Shit...
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 27, 2010, 08:46:10 PM
Quote from: Secret Level on August 27, 2010, 08:44:49 PM
Yes, my real name has no vowels. My parent's hated me. That is why I lash at authority figures. Because my name has no vowels. No vowels at all.
So, it's like Gthffssffl or some shit?
Gddffssffl... with the 'dd' making a 'th' sound.
Quote from: curiosity on August 27, 2010, 08:45:29 PM
I dunno. I agree with Doktor Howl. If you're going to display your retardation for all to see, employers should be allowed to factor that in. Other people are going to do the same. Part of getting a job is selling yourself as a valuable commodity that the employer should be all over like mice on peanut butter. Vomit-covered drunks aren't that valuable.
That was depressing. I got my job by lying my ass off.
Quote from: curiosity on August 27, 2010, 08:45:29 PM
I dunno. I agree with Doktor Howl. If you're going to display your retardation for all to see, employers should be allowed to factor that in. Other people are going to do the same. Part of getting a job is selling yourself as a valuable commodity that the employer should be all over like mice on peanut butter. Vomit-covered drunks aren't that valuable.
Someone has a bad night, someone else snaps a pic.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 27, 2010, 08:47:25 PM
Quote from: curiosity on August 27, 2010, 08:45:29 PM
I dunno. I agree with Doktor Howl. If you're going to display your retardation for all to see, employers should be allowed to factor that in. Other people are going to do the same. Part of getting a job is selling yourself as a valuable commodity that the employer should be all over like mice on peanut butter. Vomit-covered drunks aren't that valuable.
That was depressing. I got my job by lying my ass off.
I got mine by pretending to be enthusiastic and cheerful. So basically the same.
Quote from: Charley Brown on August 27, 2010, 08:48:00 PM
Quote from: curiosity on August 27, 2010, 08:45:29 PM
I dunno. I agree with Doktor Howl. If you're going to display your retardation for all to see, employers should be allowed to factor that in. Other people are going to do the same. Part of getting a job is selling yourself as a valuable commodity that the employer should be all over like mice on peanut butter. Vomit-covered drunks aren't that valuable.
Someone has a bad night, someone else snaps a pic.
Beat them with a rat flail until they take it off the internet?
Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on August 27, 2010, 08:37:18 PM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on August 27, 2010, 08:22:17 PM
Quote from: Charley Brown on August 27, 2010, 06:14:59 PM
I guess I am on the other side of this. I like to post political issues on facebook. If an employer has a differing viewpoint them I am either disqualified or fired.
Freedom of speech squished.
Firing someone for a difference in political views is illegal in the US, no matter how you found that information. (falls under the creed part of nondiscrimination)
what about not hiring them in the first place? I admit I don't know all of the law. Though I'm quite familiar with nondiscriminatory practices, they could just as easily find any other reason i.e. found a better candidate.
Florida is a right to work state, so employers can basically lay you off at will and that's usually stated in the offer of employment. I suppose the burden of proof of discrimination would be like anywhere else, on the employee, but it's easier here to cut payroll.
And I was never for employers firing someone for something they found on facebook that wasn't illegal or against the company. I think there should be a slide rule, HR could speak to the employee and explain how this would look to a client or reflects on the company and teach them about personal privacy in the internet age. If other than the stupidity they posted, they perform their job in an exemplary manner, they shouldn't be let go.
They should be able to evaluate a person BEFORE they're hired using available means. I mentioned credit checks being used, and they are. How is facebook any different other than they aren't yet notifying a potential employee that they will use this method, like they do with a credit check?
You can't not hire someone for political views either, but trying to prove that was the reason would be really incredibly difficult.
Quote from: curiosity on August 27, 2010, 08:48:32 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 27, 2010, 08:47:25 PM
Quote from: curiosity on August 27, 2010, 08:45:29 PM
I dunno. I agree with Doktor Howl. If you're going to display your retardation for all to see, employers should be allowed to factor that in. Other people are going to do the same. Part of getting a job is selling yourself as a valuable commodity that the employer should be all over like mice on peanut butter. Vomit-covered drunks aren't that valuable.
That was depressing. I got my job by lying my ass off.
I got mine by pretending to be enthusiastic and cheerful. So basically the same.
I got mine by subjecting myself a series of embarrassing medical exams, and then agreeing to be a bitch of the State.
Quote from: curiosity on August 27, 2010, 08:49:20 PM
Quote from: Charley Brown on August 27, 2010, 08:48:00 PM
Quote from: curiosity on August 27, 2010, 08:45:29 PM
I dunno. I agree with Doktor Howl. If you're going to display your retardation for all to see, employers should be allowed to factor that in. Other people are going to do the same. Part of getting a job is selling yourself as a valuable commodity that the employer should be all over like mice on peanut butter. Vomit-covered drunks aren't that valuable.
Someone has a bad night, someone else snaps a pic.
Beat them with a rat flail until they take it off the internet?
Too late. You have already labeled them as a vomit covered drunk that has no value.
Quote from: Requia ☣ on August 27, 2010, 08:38:57 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 27, 2010, 05:59:52 PM
Quote from: Charley Brown on August 27, 2010, 05:58:05 PM
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/2010/08/26/prism.social.media.work.cnn?hpt=C2
Germany so far is the only country taking steps to preventing potential employers from using social media to determine hiring practices.
I disagree with Germany. If you're dumb enough to smear yourself IN PUBLIC, then an employer has the right to react to that.
And if somebody else with the same first and last name is dumb enough to do it, you should also suffer!
This actually happened to me. I was fired from a job because someone else with my legal name (it's a really common name) did not show up for work. They called me back a week later to apologize and offer me the job back but I had found something else by that point.
Anything on the internet with my real name attached is designed to be seen by employers and other people whom I want to think that I am an upstanding citizen and shit.
I actually never use my real name unless absolutely necessary. My mailman probably thinks there are 30 different people living in my apartment.
My real first name isn't Jerry, BTW.
Quote from: Charley Brown on August 27, 2010, 08:48:00 PM
Quote from: curiosity on August 27, 2010, 08:45:29 PM
I dunno. I agree with Doktor Howl. If you're going to display your retardation for all to see, employers should be allowed to factor that in. Other people are going to do the same. Part of getting a job is selling yourself as a valuable commodity that the employer should be all over like mice on peanut butter. Vomit-covered drunks aren't that valuable.
Someone has a bad night, someone else snaps a pic.
you have complete control over the privacy of photos you're tagged in on FB. Even if you're tagged on someone else's page, you can set it so that no one can see those photos. I still say it's the person and willfull ignorance of facebook settings that should be to blame here, not an employer seeking an employee to fill a position.
Now if government is doing it.. cops.. :argh!:
Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on August 27, 2010, 09:07:22 PM
Quote from: Charley Brown on August 27, 2010, 08:48:00 PM
Quote from: curiosity on August 27, 2010, 08:45:29 PM
I dunno. I agree with Doktor Howl. If you're going to display your retardation for all to see, employers should be allowed to factor that in. Other people are going to do the same. Part of getting a job is selling yourself as a valuable commodity that the employer should be all over like mice on peanut butter. Vomit-covered drunks aren't that valuable.
Someone has a bad night, someone else snaps a pic.
you have complete control over the privacy of photos you're tagged in on FB. Even if you're tagged on someone else's page, you can set it so that no one can see those photos. I still say it's the person and willfull ignorance of facebook settings that should be to blame here, not an employer seeking an employee to fill a position.
Now if government is doing it.. cops.. :argh!:
Honestly, I don't see the difference. Either I am qualified to do the job, or I'm not.
Quote from: Charley Brown on August 27, 2010, 09:09:15 PM
Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on August 27, 2010, 09:07:22 PM
Quote from: Charley Brown on August 27, 2010, 08:48:00 PM
Quote from: curiosity on August 27, 2010, 08:45:29 PM
I dunno. I agree with Doktor Howl. If you're going to display your retardation for all to see, employers should be allowed to factor that in. Other people are going to do the same. Part of getting a job is selling yourself as a valuable commodity that the employer should be all over like mice on peanut butter. Vomit-covered drunks aren't that valuable.
Someone has a bad night, someone else snaps a pic.
you have complete control over the privacy of photos you're tagged in on FB. Even if you're tagged on someone else's page, you can set it so that no one can see those photos. I still say it's the person and willfull ignorance of facebook settings that should be to blame here, not an employer seeking an employee to fill a position.
Now if government is doing it.. cops.. :argh!:
Honestly, I don't see the difference. Either I am qualified to do the job, or I'm not.
you could have a masters in accounting and be have a CPA license, but if they run your credit and you have a ton of outstanding debt and a shit credit score (a little suspension of disbelief is required here, I know) they wouldn't hire you for an accounting position even though you were qualified.
Your personal accounting is what you do in your private life, that can affect whether you get a position with certain companies.
the manager at Burger King will probably hire you anyway if you put pictures of yourself being a tool on Facebook.
I think it's perfectly acceptable for a company to have standards of conduct they use in evaluating whether someone will be a good fit.
I fail to see the difference in using a potential employee's bad judgement or lack of attention to detail that manifests as not having the forethought to cover their ass on the internet as a guage for deciding whether to hire them.
"This person can't even keep their half naked drunken escapades off the net."
"Why would we want to hire this person. IF they are this careless with their personal life what are they going to do with our valuable company secrets?"
-application filed in the circular-
Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on August 27, 2010, 09:26:10 PM
I think it's perfectly acceptable for a company to have standards of conduct they use in evaluating whether someone will be a good fit.
I fail to see the difference in using a potential employee's bad judgement or lack of attention to detail that manifests as not having the forethought to cover their ass on the internet as a guage for deciding whether to hire them.
This, too.
Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on August 27, 2010, 09:26:10 PM
Quote from: Charley Brown on August 27, 2010, 09:09:15 PM
Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on August 27, 2010, 09:07:22 PM
Quote from: Charley Brown on August 27, 2010, 08:48:00 PM
Quote from: curiosity on August 27, 2010, 08:45:29 PM
I dunno. I agree with Doktor Howl. If you're going to display your retardation for all to see, employers should be allowed to factor that in. Other people are going to do the same. Part of getting a job is selling yourself as a valuable commodity that the employer should be all over like mice on peanut butter. Vomit-covered drunks aren't that valuable.
Someone has a bad night, someone else snaps a pic.
you have complete control over the privacy of photos you're tagged in on FB. Even if you're tagged on someone else's page, you can set it so that no one can see those photos. I still say it's the person and willfull ignorance of facebook settings that should be to blame here, not an employer seeking an employee to fill a position.
Now if government is doing it.. cops.. :argh!:
Honestly, I don't see the difference. Either I am qualified to do the job, or I'm not.
you could have a masters in accounting and be have a CPA license, but if they run your credit and you have a ton of outstanding debt and a shit credit score (a little suspension of disbelief is required here, I know) they wouldn't hire you for an accounting position even though you were qualified.
Your personal accounting is what you do in your private life, that can affect whether you get a position with certain companies.
the manager at Burger King will probably hire you anyway if you put pictures of yourself being a tool on Facebook.
I think it's perfectly acceptable for a company to have standards of conduct they use in evaluating whether someone will be a good fit.
I fail to see the difference in using a potential employee's bad judgement or lack of attention to detail that manifests as not having the forethought to cover their ass on the internet as a guage for deciding whether to hire them.
Shall we agree to disagree?
Quote from: Doktor Alphapance on August 27, 2010, 08:35:20 PM
Not to mention, they don't even need to say the word Facebook when they fire you.
It's pretty easy to mock up some crap about "productivity" or "performance" issues. They may have fired you because they saw your tits on the internet, but the official documents will cite "a lack of productivity."
If you're firing someone for naked internet pics, you're doing it wrong. You want to keep those people on, if only for the office parties.
Quote from: Charley Brown on August 27, 2010, 10:07:59 PM
Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on August 27, 2010, 09:26:10 PM
Quote from: Charley Brown on August 27, 2010, 09:09:15 PM
Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on August 27, 2010, 09:07:22 PM
Quote from: Charley Brown on August 27, 2010, 08:48:00 PM
Quote from: curiosity on August 27, 2010, 08:45:29 PM
I dunno. I agree with Doktor Howl. If you're going to display your retardation for all to see, employers should be allowed to factor that in. Other people are going to do the same. Part of getting a job is selling yourself as a valuable commodity that the employer should be all over like mice on peanut butter. Vomit-covered drunks aren't that valuable.
Someone has a bad night, someone else snaps a pic.
you have complete control over the privacy of photos you're tagged in on FB. Even if you're tagged on someone else's page, you can set it so that no one can see those photos. I still say it's the person and willfull ignorance of facebook settings that should be to blame here, not an employer seeking an employee to fill a position.
Now if government is doing it.. cops.. :argh!:
Honestly, I don't see the difference. Either I am qualified to do the job, or I'm not.
you could have a masters in accounting and be have a CPA license, but if they run your credit and you have a ton of outstanding debt and a shit credit score (a little suspension of disbelief is required here, I know) they wouldn't hire you for an accounting position even though you were qualified.
Your personal accounting is what you do in your private life, that can affect whether you get a position with certain companies.
the manager at Burger King will probably hire you anyway if you put pictures of yourself being a tool on Facebook.
I think it's perfectly acceptable for a company to have standards of conduct they use in evaluating whether someone will be a good fit.
I fail to see the difference in using a potential employee's bad judgement or lack of attention to detail that manifests as not having the forethought to cover their ass on the internet as a guage for deciding whether to hire them.
Shall we agree to disagree?
I can agree with that.
Quote from: Cain on August 27, 2010, 10:16:58 PM
Quote from: Doktor Alphapance on August 27, 2010, 08:35:20 PM
Not to mention, they don't even need to say the word Facebook when they fire you.
It's pretty easy to mock up some crap about "productivity" or "performance" issues. They may have fired you because they saw your tits on the internet, but the official documents will cite "a lack of productivity."
If you're firing someone for naked internet pics, you're doing it wrong. You want to keep those people on, if only for the office parties.
:lulz: :mittens:
Quote from: Jerry_Frankster on August 27, 2010, 09:02:00 PM
Anything on the internet with my real name attached is designed to be seen by employers and other people whom I want to think that I am an upstanding citizen and shit.
I actually never use my real name unless absolutely necessary. My mailman probably thinks there are 30 different people living in my apartment.
My real first name isn't Jerry, BTW.
This solves it.
Quote from: Charley Brown on August 27, 2010, 08:50:27 PM
Quote from: curiosity on August 27, 2010, 08:49:20 PM
Quote from: Charley Brown on August 27, 2010, 08:48:00 PM
Quote from: curiosity on August 27, 2010, 08:45:29 PM
I dunno. I agree with Doktor Howl. If you're going to display your retardation for all to see, employers should be allowed to factor that in. Other people are going to do the same. Part of getting a job is selling yourself as a valuable commodity that the employer should be all over like mice on peanut butter. Vomit-covered drunks aren't that valuable.
Someone has a bad night, someone else snaps a pic.
Beat them with a rat flail until they take it off the internet?
Too late. You have already labeled them as a vomit covered drunk that has no value.
This, I mean you can un-tag yourself, but if the employer wanted to dig up dirt on you, the photo is still there.
Also, LMNO is right, they can always make up some other shit about why you were fired. Also, I doubt the mgmt would do an in depth search of everyone, just the people who are suspect, so if your page is private, no problem. (and if you add your boss to facebook you probably deserve to be fired)
Quote from: Requia ☣ on August 27, 2010, 08:38:57 PM
And if somebody else with the same first and last name is dumb enough to do it, you should also suffer!
I think people may realise it wasn't you. Of course you could always try Cram's Chaff Idea
Quote from: Doktor Alphapance on August 27, 2010, 08:35:20 PM
Not to mention, they don't even need to say the word Facebook when they fire you.
It's pretty easy to mock up some crap about "productivity" or "performance" issues. They may have fired you because they saw your tits on the internet, but the official documents will cite "a lack of productivity."
What if they were lactating?
KYFMS applies doubly to Facebook. Make as much of your shit private as you can.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 27, 2010, 06:35:05 PM
Quote from: Exit City Hustle on August 27, 2010, 06:34:37 PM
At first blush, and without giving it deep consideration, on a personal level I would tend to disagree with firing an employee based on something on their FB page that had nothing to do with their job, but am totally fine with not hiring someone to begin with because of something they've made publicly available on the internet.
I could agree with that.
and this
This is exactly why I killed my RWHN Facebook account. As my job was becoming more and more public, I realized that any linkage between my real name and RWHN could get me into some trouble. Even though I don't think I've done or said anything to raise any doubts in the publics' eyes or my employers, but it was more of not wanting to test the waters.
So now I just have the one under my real name which is all about posting cute pictures of the families and posting links, stories, etc., related to my profession.
I mean, it's bad enough that I have to contend with someone from Maine having the same name as me, right down to the middle name, who is a convicted arsonist.