Well, actually it's gelcaps, but same active ingredient. DXM, not Pseudoephedrine.
Why the hell would you do that?
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=26320.0
That's why I'm taking drugs. As to why cough syrup because it is the only drug I have tried so far aside from Morphine that makes my emotions go away. Unlike Morphine it is easily available, plus it makes me see pretty pictures, which Morphine does not do.
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on August 31, 2010, 10:45:57 PM
As to why cough syrup because it is the only drug I have tried so far aside from Morphine that makes my emotions go away.
Are you thinking of applying to work as an insurance adjuster, or something?
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 31, 2010, 10:50:01 PM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on August 31, 2010, 10:45:57 PM
As to why cough syrup because it is the only drug I have tried so far aside from Morphine that makes my emotions go away.
Are you thinking of applying to work as an insurance adjuster, or something?
Nah, it only makes them go away for about 8 hours, and it also makes me pretty much incapable of doing math for that time period.
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on August 31, 2010, 10:51:20 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 31, 2010, 10:50:01 PM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on August 31, 2010, 10:45:57 PM
As to why cough syrup because it is the only drug I have tried so far aside from Morphine that makes my emotions go away.
Are you thinking of applying to work as an insurance adjuster, or something?
Nah, it only makes them go away for about 8 hours, and it also makes me pretty much incapable of doing math for that time period.
I'm looking for the payoff here, and I'm just not seeing it.
I heard that DXM can cause permanent brain damage by using more than the recommended dosage.
ETA: Ok, so that only happens with an overdose... Why don't you just let the grieving process run its course?
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 31, 2010, 10:52:47 PM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on August 31, 2010, 10:51:20 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 31, 2010, 10:50:01 PM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on August 31, 2010, 10:45:57 PM
As to why cough syrup because it is the only drug I have tried so far aside from Morphine that makes my emotions go away.
Are you thinking of applying to work as an insurance adjuster, or something?
Nah, it only makes them go away for about 8 hours, and it also makes me pretty much incapable of doing math for that time period.
I'm looking for the payoff here, and I'm just not seeing it.
dissociation from emotion, pretty pictures, and physical feelings of euphoria.
Explains what happened to Von Melee and Nivek.
Anyway, I don't see the attraction to emotionally neutering yourself.
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on August 31, 2010, 10:59:54 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 31, 2010, 10:52:47 PM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on August 31, 2010, 10:51:20 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 31, 2010, 10:50:01 PM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on August 31, 2010, 10:45:57 PM
As to why cough syrup because it is the only drug I have tried so far aside from Morphine that makes my emotions go away.
Are you thinking of applying to work as an insurance adjuster, or something?
Nah, it only makes them go away for about 8 hours, and it also makes me pretty much incapable of doing math for that time period.
I'm looking for the payoff here, and I'm just not seeing it.
dissociation from emotion, pretty pictures, and physical feelings of euphoria.
Oh. Television.
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on August 31, 2010, 10:58:14 PM
I heard that DXM can cause permanent brain damage by using more than the recommended dosage.
It can, so can most recreational drugs.
And Howl, TV tends to incite emotions, this doesn't. The attraction of emotional neutering is becuase being miserable and excited at the same time was extremely confusing and rather painful. I figure if I can detach the emotions for a few hours I can let the logical side of my brain figure things out before they come back.
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on August 31, 2010, 11:02:34 PM
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on August 31, 2010, 10:58:14 PM
I heard that DXM can cause permanent brain damage by using more than the recommended dosage.
It can, so can most recreational drugs.
And Howl, TV tends to incite emotions, this doesn't. The attraction of emotional neutering is becuase being miserable and excited at the same time was extremely confusing and rather painful. I figure if I can detach the emotions for a few hours I can let the logical side of my brain figure things out before they come back.
That's why God gave you cheap whiskey and Hank Williams Sr.
There's
procedures for heartbreak, even when it's some 45 year old fat guy calling himself Susan that breaks up with you.
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on August 31, 2010, 11:02:34 PM
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on August 31, 2010, 10:58:14 PM
I heard that DXM can cause permanent brain damage by using more than the recommended dosage.
It can, so can most recreational drugs.
And Howl, TV tends to incite emotions, this doesn't. The attraction of emotional neutering is becuase being miserable and excited at the same time was extremely confusing and rather painful. I figure if I can detach the emotions for a few hours I can let the logical side of my brain figure things out before they come back.
Wow! Good luck with that. Personally I think you're approaching this on the wrong motorcycle. For letting the logical side of your brain run wild, I'd use something more along the lines of amphetamines. But that's just me.
edit; Plus, it doesn't cut you off from your emotions, it just makes them more bearable.
Don't you think your whole brain will figure it out faster if you don't scramble it with DXM?
I find that recreational drugs (including alcohol) only prolong my misery if I use them to avoid dealing with my emotions.
Quote from: BadBeast on August 31, 2010, 11:06:11 PM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on August 31, 2010, 11:02:34 PM
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on August 31, 2010, 10:58:14 PM
I heard that DXM can cause permanent brain damage by using more than the recommended dosage.
It can, so can most recreational drugs.
And Howl, TV tends to incite emotions, this doesn't. The attraction of emotional neutering is becuase being miserable and excited at the same time was extremely confusing and rather painful. I figure if I can detach the emotions for a few hours I can let the logical side of my brain figure things out before they come back.
Wow! Good luck with that. Personally I think you're approaching this on the wrong motorcycle. For letting the logical side of your brain run wild, I'd use something more along the lines of amphetamines. But that's just me.
edit; Plus, it doesn't cut you off from your emotions, it just makes them more bearable.
For me DXM really cuts me off from them. Alcohol would make me want to cut myself or do something really stupid at the moment, so would Hank Williams. Amphetemines I have never enjoyed.
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on August 31, 2010, 11:16:59 PM
Quote from: BadBeast on August 31, 2010, 11:06:11 PM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on August 31, 2010, 11:02:34 PM
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on August 31, 2010, 10:58:14 PM
I heard that DXM can cause permanent brain damage by using more than the recommended dosage.
It can, so can most recreational drugs.
And Howl, TV tends to incite emotions, this doesn't. The attraction of emotional neutering is becuase being miserable and excited at the same time was extremely confusing and rather painful. I figure if I can detach the emotions for a few hours I can let the logical side of my brain figure things out before they come back.
Wow! Good luck with that. Personally I think you're approaching this on the wrong motorcycle. For letting the logical side of your brain run wild, I'd use something more along the lines of amphetamines. But that's just me.
edit; Plus, it doesn't cut you off from your emotions, it just makes them more bearable.
For me DXM really cuts me off from them. Alcohol would make me want to cut myself or do something really stupid at the moment, so would Hank Williams. Amphetemines I have never enjoyed.
It's not all about enjoyment. If it was, we'd all be sitting blissed out in some pineal Hippy dippy Utopia, off our tits on MDMA. It's about finding the best way to knock all the sharp edges off the rocks life throws at you, so you can function in this crazy fucked up World, without totally selling your arse down the river. Or at least, that's what I thought.
I'm here to enjoy the ride, not sleep through it.
Just saying.
If it shuts off you ability to do math, then how does it allow your more logical side to function?
Quote from: Cudgel on September 01, 2010, 04:29:34 AM
If it shuts off you ability to do math, then how does it allow your more logical side to function?
"Logical" is a relative term when you've poisoned yourself.
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on August 31, 2010, 10:28:21 PM
[I'm tripping on cough syrup, ask me anything] Well, actually it's gelcaps, but same active ingredient. DXM, not Pseudoephedrine.
I've always thought your name was a play on words, but I thought it had something to do with "Horuv" and the "V" being a roman "5", which looks kind of like an "S", making the word play pointing to some sort of Babylonian Eris/Horus hermaphrodite. I guess it makes more sense, then, that it's "Babylon, Whore Of".
So I guess my question is, since you're all fuckered up, what good is an internet girlfriend?
"Whatever happened to smoking a joint, eating a Twinkie and going to bed?"
Goats?
"That is so mainstream"
Quote from: Iron Sulfide on September 01, 2010, 04:45:21 AM
So I guess my question is, since you're all fuckered up, what good is an internet girlfriend?
Wondering that myself. I have lots of internet friends, but an internet GF is just kind of silly. IMO.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 01, 2010, 04:59:40 AM
Quote from: Iron Sulfide on September 01, 2010, 04:45:21 AM
So I guess my question is, since you're all fuckered up, what good is an internet girlfriend?
Wondering that myself. I have lots of internet friends, but an internet GF is just kind of silly. IMO.
(http://nerdnirvana.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/gf.jpg)
Quote from: Iron Sulfide on September 01, 2010, 04:45:21 AM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on August 31, 2010, 10:28:21 PM
[I'm tripping on cough syrup, ask me anything] Well, actually it's gelcaps, but same active ingredient. DXM, not Pseudoephedrine.
I've always thought your name was a play on words, but I thought it had something to do with "Horuv" and the "V" being a roman "5", which looks kind of like an "S", making the word play pointing to some sort of Babylonian Eris/Horus hermaphrodite. I guess it makes more sense, then, that it's "Babylon, Whore Of".
So I guess my question is, since you're all fuckered up, what good is an internet girlfriend?
Just to be clear- The wordplay comment is what I actually thought the first time I saw your name, not a snide remark.
And the question of having an internet girlfriend is, forgive my vulgarity, one of pure pragmatics. I mean, if you have a wife,
it stands to reason that fapping on skype is probably inferior to the good ol' Ultra Violence. But, for me, that's kind of part and parcel to having a significant other. Just like fighting over who's doing the dishes.
Why did you leave cough syrup all over the floor?
ANAL?
Quote from: -Kel- on September 01, 2010, 05:00:56 AM
(http://nerdnirvana.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/gf.jpg)
:fap:
Tripping on OTC meds is the dumbest thing ever.
At first I was hoping you were just using it for regular use and enjoying the psychoactive side-effects as a bonus.
Doesn't that shit taste horrible as well?
Quote from: Cudgel on September 01, 2010, 04:29:34 AM
If it shuts off you ability to do math, then how does it allow your more logical side to function?
I can process emotions in a more detached way. Perhaps not as well, but it cuts the connections.
Quote from: Iron Sulfide on September 01, 2010, 04:45:21 AM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on August 31, 2010, 10:28:21 PM
[I'm tripping on cough syrup, ask me anything] Well, actually it's gelcaps, but same active ingredient. DXM, not Pseudoephedrine.
I've always thought your name was a play on words, but I thought it had something to do with "Horuv" and the "V" being a roman "5", which looks kind of like an "S", making the word play pointing to some sort of Babylonian Eris/Horus hermaphrodite. I guess it makes more sense, then, that it's "Babylon, Whore Of".
So I guess my question is, since you're all fuckered up, what good is an internet girlfriend?
I really like that, the Eris Horus hermaphrodite thing. My thought was always just Babylon whore of yes.
What good is an internet girlfriend, they allow emotional outlets that my wife does not.
Quote from: Triple Zero on September 01, 2010, 08:55:43 AM
Tripping on OTC meds is the dumbest thing ever.
At first I was hoping you were just using it for regular use and enjoying the psychoactive side-effects as a bonus.
Doesn't that shit taste horrible as well?
It was in pill form, so it didn't taste at all. OTC meds have the advantage of precisely measured dosages. I have tried a wide variety of intoxicants and for severing myself from my emotions DXM was the one I needed.
Why are you fucks ragging on BHU for dosing up on an OTC med to defer his stress reaction? At least half of you assholes are on some kind of Prozac or Xanax derivative or you drink like fucking hobos, you hypocritical dicks.
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on September 01, 2010, 09:51:30 AM
Quote from: Triple Zero on September 01, 2010, 08:55:43 AM
Tripping on OTC meds is the dumbest thing ever.
At first I was hoping you were just using it for regular use and enjoying the psychoactive side-effects as a bonus.
Doesn't that shit taste horrible as well?
It was in pill form, so it didn't taste at all. OTC meds have the advantage of precisely measured dosages. I have tried a wide variety of intoxicants and for severing myself from my emotions DXM was the one I needed.
I used to do the same thing with Codeine Linctus cough syrup, but it really did taste like shit. Quite a belt in a bottle of that, but it makes you itch all over the following day.
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on September 01, 2010, 09:48:12 AM
What good is an internet girlfriend, they allow emotional outlets that my wife does not.
That's more dangerous to a relationship than just fucking around IRL. Just saying.
Quote from: BadBeast on September 01, 2010, 04:42:17 PM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on September 01, 2010, 09:51:30 AM
Quote from: Triple Zero on September 01, 2010, 08:55:43 AM
Tripping on OTC meds is the dumbest thing ever.
At first I was hoping you were just using it for regular use and enjoying the psychoactive side-effects as a bonus.
Doesn't that shit taste horrible as well?
It was in pill form, so it didn't taste at all. OTC meds have the advantage of precisely measured dosages. I have tried a wide variety of intoxicants and for severing myself from my emotions DXM was the one I needed.
I used to do the same thing with Codeine Linctus cough syrup, but it really did taste like shit. Quite a belt in a bottle of that, but it makes you itch all over the following day.
We used to chug a bottle of Robotussin before long forced marches, in the army. It just sort of let you float along, and you didn't care how much your kit weighed.
Then you spent the next day all fucked up and ill.
Quote from: Nigel on September 01, 2010, 04:16:32 PM
Why are you fucks ragging on BHU for dosing up on an OTC med to defer his stress reaction? At least half of you assholes are on some kind of Prozac or Xanax derivative or you drink like fucking hobos, you hypocritical dicks.
:lulz:
totally this.
So does that mean I am in the free and clear? Doesn't matter as it's too late and it's already happened. All I can suggest is that you entertain some healthier ways to deal with your emotions or perhaps consider seeking some professional counseling.
Quote from: Nigel on September 01, 2010, 04:16:32 PM
Why are you fucks ragging on BHU for dosing up on an OTC med to defer his stress reaction? At least half of you assholes are on some kind of Prozac or Xanax derivative or you drink like fucking hobos, you hypocritical dicks.
:lulz:
Nigel, stop making sense. This is an ideological discussion, and has precisely zero connection with facts, standards of fairness, or anything like that. We have an ELECTION coming up, and we have to PRACTICE.
Also, you're right to often, and that makes the monkey in my head dig his heels into my limbic system, which hurts.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 01, 2010, 05:41:56 PM
Quote from: Nigel on September 01, 2010, 04:16:32 PM
Why are you fucks ragging on BHU for dosing up on an OTC med to defer his stress reaction? At least half of you assholes are on some kind of Prozac or Xanax derivative or you drink like fucking hobos, you hypocritical dicks.
:lulz:
Nigel, stop making sense. This is an ideological discussion, and has precisely zero connection with facts, standards of fairness, or anything like that. We have an ELECTION coming up, and we have to PRACTICE.
Also, you're right to often, and that makes the monkey in my head dig his heels into my limbic system, which hurts.
OK, OK... all these are valid reasons. :lulz: Carry on!
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on September 01, 2010, 09:48:12 AM
Quote from: Iron Sulfide on September 01, 2010, 04:45:21 AM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on August 31, 2010, 10:28:21 PM
[I'm tripping on cough syrup, ask me anything] Well, actually it's gelcaps, but same active ingredient. DXM, not Pseudoephedrine.
I've always thought your name was a play on words, but I thought it had something to do with "Horuv" and the "V" being a roman "5", which looks kind of like an "S", making the word play pointing to some sort of Babylonian Eris/Horus hermaphrodite. I guess it makes more sense, then, that it's "Babylon, Whore Of".
So I guess my question is, since you're all fuckered up, what good is an internet girlfriend?
I really like that, the Eris Horus hermaphrodite thing. My thought was always just Babylon whore of yes.
What good is an internet girlfriend, they allow emotional outlets that my wife does not.
Dude, it's your life, but for what it's worth, that shit just ain't healthy. The girl I'm with right now and I go to couple's therapy. We've been together 2 years and some change now, but we almost broke up about a year ago, this time of year (well, Novemberish) because I went through a depression phase and closed off emotionally.
I recommend a "Neo" Freudian Object Relations specialist (those are the one's who don't take Freud so literally...). They usually advertise as "Psychotherapy" as opposed to counseling just therapist. Whether the issue of unavailability is yours or your wife's, It's definitely something to look at. Being married and all, I assume you've been together a more formidable chunk of time than my measly Two years and change. there must've been a reson for that, so maybe don't fuck it up?
I recommend sleeping on it, making love to your wife and go looking for a rebound.
THERAPY
GET TO IT
Can't you just let the man unhealthily bury his emotions under chemicals in peace?
But yeah, stop trying to be a robot, it's no good for you.
Man, he's bummed out because his girlfriend dumped him and freaked out because his whole life is about to change. Maybe give him 36 hours before "GET THERAPY".
Getting wasted can sometimes be really good therapy in itself.
Quote from: Nigel on September 01, 2010, 09:33:30 PM
Man, he's bummed out because his girlfriend dumped him and freaked out because his whole life is about to change. Maybe give him 36 hours before "GET THERAPY".
Yes, but there are rules.
Bourbon & Hank Williams, Sr. <--- Recommended for busted hearts.
Would you have seen Johnny Cash swilling cough medicine? Humphrey Bogart? I just can't see him chugging theraflu in
Casa Blanca.
I mean, if you're going through a heartbreak, you can at least show a little respect for
tradition.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPPvSiFLyXA
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 01, 2010, 09:54:55 PM
Quote from: Nigel on September 01, 2010, 09:33:30 PM
Man, he's bummed out because his girlfriend dumped him and freaked out because his whole life is about to change. Maybe give him 36 hours before "GET THERAPY".
Yes, but there are rules.
Bourbon & Hank Williams, Sr. <--- Recommended for busted hearts.
Would you have seen Johnny Cash swilling cough medicine? Humphrey Bogart? I just can't see him chugging theraflu in Casa Blanca.
I mean, if you're going through a heartbreak, you can at least show a little respect for tradition.
We're talking about the rave generation, here. Club kids. We're lucky he didn't put on a fur leotard, turn off the lights and dance in the dark, crying, clutching his glow-sticks and suckling a pacifier.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 01, 2010, 09:54:55 PM
Quote from: Nigel on September 01, 2010, 09:33:30 PM
Man, he's bummed out because his girlfriend dumped him and freaked out because his whole life is about to change. Maybe give him 36 hours before "GET THERAPY".
Yes, but there are rules.
Bourbon & Hank Williams, Sr. <--- Recommended for busted hearts.
Would you have seen Johnny Cash swilling cough medicine? Humphrey Bogart? I just can't see him chugging theraflu in Casa Blanca.
I mean, if you're going through a heartbreak, you can at least show a little respect for tradition.
Hank Williams? Is he Robbie Williams' Grandad?
Quote from: Nigel on September 01, 2010, 10:07:03 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 01, 2010, 09:54:55 PM
Quote from: Nigel on September 01, 2010, 09:33:30 PM
Man, he's bummed out because his girlfriend dumped him and freaked out because his whole life is about to change. Maybe give him 36 hours before "GET THERAPY".
Yes, but there are rules.
Bourbon & Hank Williams, Sr. <--- Recommended for busted hearts.
Would you have seen Johnny Cash swilling cough medicine? Humphrey Bogart? I just can't see him chugging theraflu in Casa Blanca.
I mean, if you're going through a heartbreak, you can at least show a little respect for tradition.
We're talking about the rave generation, here. Club kids. We're lucky he didn't put on a fur leotard, turn off the lights and dance in the dark, crying, clutching his glow-sticks and suckling a pacifier.
We have no evidence that he didn't, now that you mention it.
Quote from: BadBeast on September 01, 2010, 10:23:35 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 01, 2010, 09:54:55 PM
Quote from: Nigel on September 01, 2010, 09:33:30 PM
Man, he's bummed out because his girlfriend dumped him and freaked out because his whole life is about to change. Maybe give him 36 hours before "GET THERAPY".
Yes, but there are rules.
Bourbon & Hank Williams, Sr. <--- Recommended for busted hearts.
Would you have seen Johnny Cash swilling cough medicine? Humphrey Bogart? I just can't see him chugging theraflu in Casa Blanca.
I mean, if you're going through a heartbreak, you can at least show a little respect for tradition.
Hank Williams? Is he Robbie Williams' Grandad?
Yes, and he was Ted Williams' brother, who never forgave him for not going into baseball with him.
Isn't Williams a Welsh name?
Quote from: BadBeast on September 01, 2010, 10:40:24 PM
Isn't Williams a Welsh name?
I think it's originally French.
Quote from: BadBeast on September 01, 2010, 10:56:22 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 01, 2010, 10:42:07 PM
Quote from: BadBeast on September 01, 2010, 10:40:24 PM
Isn't Williams a Welsh name?
I think it's originally French.
Williams the Conquerer?
Also known for his haunting songs about loss and failure. Died of pills & booze back in the year dot.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 01, 2010, 10:33:11 PM
Quote from: Nigel on September 01, 2010, 10:07:03 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 01, 2010, 09:54:55 PM
Quote from: Nigel on September 01, 2010, 09:33:30 PM
Man, he's bummed out because his girlfriend dumped him and freaked out because his whole life is about to change. Maybe give him 36 hours before "GET THERAPY".
Yes, but there are rules.
Bourbon & Hank Williams, Sr. <--- Recommended for busted hearts.
Would you have seen Johnny Cash swilling cough medicine? Humphrey Bogart? I just can't see him chugging theraflu in Casa Blanca.
I mean, if you're going through a heartbreak, you can at least show a little respect for tradition.
We're talking about the rave generation, here. Club kids. We're lucky he didn't put on a fur leotard, turn off the lights and dance in the dark, crying, clutching his glow-sticks and suckling a pacifier.
We have no evidence that he didn't, now that you mention it.
That's very true... and very suspicious, now that you mention it.
Quote from: Nigel on September 01, 2010, 11:51:50 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 01, 2010, 10:33:11 PM
Quote from: Nigel on September 01, 2010, 10:07:03 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 01, 2010, 09:54:55 PM
Quote from: Nigel on September 01, 2010, 09:33:30 PM
Man, he's bummed out because his girlfriend dumped him and freaked out because his whole life is about to change. Maybe give him 36 hours before "GET THERAPY".
Yes, but there are rules.
Bourbon & Hank Williams, Sr. <--- Recommended for busted hearts.
Would you have seen Johnny Cash swilling cough medicine? Humphrey Bogart? I just can't see him chugging theraflu in Casa Blanca.
I mean, if you're going through a heartbreak, you can at least show a little respect for tradition.
We're talking about the rave generation, here. Club kids. We're lucky he didn't put on a fur leotard, turn off the lights and dance in the dark, crying, clutching his glow-sticks and suckling a pacifier.
We have no evidence that he didn't, now that you mention it.
That's very true... and very suspicious, now that you mention it.
I find it rather odd that he hasn't denied it. It does raise some questions.
Dok,
Not above using the Truther's schtick.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 01, 2010, 09:54:55 PM
Quote from: Nigel on September 01, 2010, 09:33:30 PM
Man, he's bummed out because his girlfriend dumped him and freaked out because his whole life is about to change. Maybe give him 36 hours before "GET THERAPY".
Yes, but there are rules.
Bourbon & Hank Williams, Sr. <--- Recommended for busted hearts.
Would you have seen Johnny Cash swilling cough medicine? Humphrey Bogart? I just can't see him chugging theraflu in Casa Blanca.
I mean, if you're going through a heartbreak, you can at least show a little respect for tradition.
Johnny Cash WAS a notorious pill-popper, actually.
And Bogey liked to snort ground-up feline anal glands.
Also, paying a shrink thousands of dollars to achieve the same effects as can be had with a week-long bender and some maudlin music is kinda stupid IMO.
Have you seen this film?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0103241/
Sounds like it's time for you to take a "Vacation" Bruce McCulloch style.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTOuzn5tmvU
Quote from: BadBeast on September 01, 2010, 09:35:41 PM
Getting wasted can sometimes be really good therapy in itself.
This is categorically false and very, very bad advice.
Just sayin.
Oh, come on. We're (mostly) all adults here. We can make those decisions for ourselves.
Anyway, no matter what your professional purview, you really can't say that unless you've tried it yourself a few times.
And saying it's "categorically false" is bullshit. If it's worked for even one person, then it cannot, by definition, be categorically false.
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on September 02, 2010, 10:56:51 AM
Quote from: BadBeast on September 01, 2010, 09:35:41 PM
Getting wasted can sometimes be really good therapy in itself.
This is categorically false and very, very bad advice.
Just sayin.
I have to disagree, here. Sometimes getting looped can straighten you up quite a bit.
Not if it's done regularly, mind you. I think we all know the health hazards and dangers involved in that. But once in a while, getting smashed can let you vent frustrations like nothing else can.
Quote from: Exit City Hustle on September 02, 2010, 04:41:32 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 01, 2010, 09:54:55 PM
Quote from: Nigel on September 01, 2010, 09:33:30 PM
Man, he's bummed out because his girlfriend dumped him and freaked out because his whole life is about to change. Maybe give him 36 hours before "GET THERAPY".
Yes, but there are rules.
Bourbon & Hank Williams, Sr. <--- Recommended for busted hearts.
Would you have seen Johnny Cash swilling cough medicine? Humphrey Bogart? I just can't see him chugging theraflu in Casa Blanca.
I mean, if you're going through a heartbreak, you can at least show a little respect for tradition.
Johnny Cash WAS a notorious pill-popper, actually.
And Bogey liked to snort ground-up feline anal glands.
Also, paying a shrink thousands of dollars to achieve the same effects as can be had with a week-long bender and some maudlin music is kinda stupid IMO.
Hank was a pill head, too. Doesn't mean it doesn't work.
I never said it didn't, though I myself prefer tequila over xanax.
Quote from: Exit City Hustle on September 02, 2010, 03:14:49 PM
I never said it didn't, though I myself prefer tequila over xanax.
The traditional drink of broken hearted fools is whiskey. Any kind except rye (Unless you're Canadian, but they don't have actual emotions anyway. They're like chickens or parakeets.)
Why not Rye? I love that stuff.
I cut myself off from Bourbon. you know how, for some people bourbon is "fight in a bottle"?
and for some people, bourbon is "naked in a bottle"?
for ECH, bourbon is "naked fighting in a bottle".
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 02, 2010, 03:20:29 PM
Quote from: Doktor Alphapance on September 02, 2010, 03:19:21 PM
Why not Rye? I love that stuff.
You, sir, are a philistine.
Jack o' Diamonds, Jack o' Diamonds and I know you of old
You've robbed my poor pockets of silver and gold
It's a whiskey, you villain, you've been my downfall
You've kicked me, you've cuffed me, but I love you for all and...
It's a whiskey, rye whiskey, rye whiskey I cry
If I don't get rye whiskey, well, I think I will die
It's Beefsteak when I'm hungry rye whiskey when I'm dry
Greenbacks when I'm hard up, heaven when I die
I'll go tea and a holler and I'll build me a still,
I'll give you a gallon for a five dollar bill.
Rye whiskey, rye whiskey, rye whiskey I cry
If a tree don't fall on me, I'll live till I die
If the ocean was whiskey and I was a duck
I'd dive to the bottom and never come up
Now the ocean ain't whiskey and I ain't a duck
I'll play Jack O' diamonds and trust to my luck
Rye whiskey, rye whiskey, rye whiskey I cry
If whisky don't kill me, I'll live till I die
-Tex Ritter
Quote from: Exit City Hustle on September 02, 2010, 03:21:04 PM
I cut myself off from Bourbon. you know how, for some people bourbon is "fight in a bottle"?
and for some people, bourbon is "naked in a bottle"?
for ECH, bourbon is "naked fighting in a bottle".
For Dok, Tequila is "werewolf in a bottle".
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 01, 2010, 05:11:47 PM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on September 01, 2010, 09:48:12 AM
What good is an internet girlfriend, they allow emotional outlets that my wife does not.
That's more dangerous to a relationship than just fucking around IRL. Just saying.
Quite possibly true. Online relationships also create unrealistic fantasies that nobody can actually fulfil.
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on September 02, 2010, 05:57:27 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 01, 2010, 05:11:47 PM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on September 01, 2010, 09:48:12 AM
What good is an internet girlfriend, they allow emotional outlets that my wife does not.
That's more dangerous to a relationship than just fucking around IRL. Just saying.
Quite possibly true. Online relationships also create unrealistic fantasies that nobody can actually fulfil.
Actually, it's the emotional quality that's dangerous, too.
Quote from: Iron Sulfide on September 01, 2010, 08:30:58 PM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on September 01, 2010, 09:48:12 AM
Quote from: Iron Sulfide on September 01, 2010, 04:45:21 AM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on August 31, 2010, 10:28:21 PM
[I'm tripping on cough syrup, ask me anything] Well, actually it's gelcaps, but same active ingredient. DXM, not Pseudoephedrine.
I've always thought your name was a play on words, but I thought it had something to do with "Horuv" and the "V" being a roman "5", which looks kind of like an "S", making the word play pointing to some sort of Babylonian Eris/Horus hermaphrodite. I guess it makes more sense, then, that it's "Babylon, Whore Of".
So I guess my question is, since you're all fuckered up, what good is an internet girlfriend?
I really like that, the Eris Horus hermaphrodite thing. My thought was always just Babylon whore of yes.
What good is an internet girlfriend, they allow emotional outlets that my wife does not.
Dude, it's your life, but for what it's worth, that shit just ain't healthy. The girl I'm with right now and I go to couple's therapy. We've been together 2 years and some change now, but we almost broke up about a year ago, this time of year (well, Novemberish) because I went through a depression phase and closed off emotionally.
I recommend a "Neo" Freudian Object Relations specialist (those are the one's who don't take Freud so literally...). They usually advertise as "Psychotherapy" as opposed to counseling just therapist. Whether the issue of unavailability is yours or your wife's, It's definitely something to look at. Being married and all, I assume you've been together a more formidable chunk of time than my measly Two years and change. there must've been a reson for that, so maybe don't fuck it up?
going on ten years. We have a good relationship that also happens to be open. Therapy is a definite possibility once her deal goes through.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 01, 2010, 10:33:11 PM
Quote from: Nigel on September 01, 2010, 10:07:03 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 01, 2010, 09:54:55 PM
Quote from: Nigel on September 01, 2010, 09:33:30 PM
Man, he's bummed out because his girlfriend dumped him and freaked out because his whole life is about to change. Maybe give him 36 hours before "GET THERAPY".
Yes, but there are rules.
Bourbon & Hank Williams, Sr. <--- Recommended for busted hearts.
Would you have seen Johnny Cash swilling cough medicine? Humphrey Bogart? I just can't see him chugging theraflu in Casa Blanca.
I mean, if you're going through a heartbreak, you can at least show a little respect for tradition.
We're talking about the rave generation, here. Club kids. We're lucky he didn't put on a fur leotard, turn off the lights and dance in the dark, crying, clutching his glow-sticks and suckling a pacifier.
We have no evidence that he didn't, now that you mention it.
That sounds like good therapy, and healthier than DXM, I wish I would have thought of it first.
Quote from: Exit City Hustle on September 02, 2010, 03:21:04 PM
I cut myself off from Bourbon. you know how, for some people bourbon is "fight in a bottle"?
and for some people, bourbon is "naked in a bottle"?
for ECH, bourbon is "naked fighting in a bottle".
For me whiskey is loudly telling everyone my opinions in a bottle, and considering the confidentiality clause in my wife's deal would have been a really bad idea.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 02, 2010, 03:25:57 AM
Quote from: Nigel on September 01, 2010, 11:51:50 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 01, 2010, 10:33:11 PM
Quote from: Nigel on September 01, 2010, 10:07:03 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 01, 2010, 09:54:55 PM
Quote from: Nigel on September 01, 2010, 09:33:30 PM
Man, he's bummed out because his girlfriend dumped him and freaked out because his whole life is about to change. Maybe give him 36 hours before "GET THERAPY".
Yes, but there are rules.
Bourbon & Hank Williams, Sr. <--- Recommended for busted hearts.
Would you have seen Johnny Cash swilling cough medicine? Humphrey Bogart? I just can't see him chugging theraflu in Casa Blanca.
I mean, if you're going through a heartbreak, you can at least show a little respect for tradition.
We're talking about the rave generation, here. Club kids. We're lucky he didn't put on a fur leotard, turn off the lights and dance in the dark, crying, clutching his glow-sticks and suckling a pacifier.
We have no evidence that he didn't, now that you mention it.
That's very true... and very suspicious, now that you mention it.
I find it rather odd that he hasn't denied it. It does raise some questions.
Yeah... if he
didn't put on a fur leotard, turn off the lights and dance in the dark, crying, clutching his glow-sticks and suckling a pacifier, why doesn't he just come right out with proof?
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 02, 2010, 05:58:09 PM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on September 02, 2010, 05:57:27 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 01, 2010, 05:11:47 PM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on September 01, 2010, 09:48:12 AM
What good is an internet girlfriend, they allow emotional outlets that my wife does not.
That's more dangerous to a relationship than just fucking around IRL. Just saying.
Quite possibly true. Online relationships also create unrealistic fantasies that nobody can actually fulfil.
Actually, it's the emotional quality that's dangerous, too.
The problem with online relationships is that they are basically fantasy. You construct 90% of the relationship in your mind, and it can be idealized to a fantastic degree, whereas in a RL relationship, a person's flaws and personality conflicts cannot be avoided and must be dealt with. It's possible to idealize a RL relationship as well, but it's more likely that you will accept the other person's limitations and not pour an excessive amount of emotional energy into them.
Quote from: Nigel on September 02, 2010, 07:24:16 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 02, 2010, 05:58:09 PM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on September 02, 2010, 05:57:27 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 01, 2010, 05:11:47 PM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on September 01, 2010, 09:48:12 AM
What good is an internet girlfriend, they allow emotional outlets that my wife does not.
That's more dangerous to a relationship than just fucking around IRL. Just saying.
Quite possibly true. Online relationships also create unrealistic fantasies that nobody can actually fulfil.
Actually, it's the emotional quality that's dangerous, too.
The problem with online relationships is that they are basically fantasy. You construct 90% of the relationship in your mind, and it can be idealized to a fantastic degree, whereas in a RL relationship, a person's flaws and personality conflicts cannot be avoided and must be dealt with. It's possible to idealize a RL relationship as well, but it's more likely that you will accept the other person's limitations and not pour an excessive amount of emotional energy into them.
Yep, that was basically what I said. Thank you by the way for defending me earlier. I was far too dexed up to care, but I appreciate it.
You're welcome. :)
Quote from: Exit City Hustle on September 02, 2010, 02:53:12 PM
Oh, come on. We're (mostly) all adults here. We can make those decisions for ourselves.
Anyway, no matter what your professional purview, you really can't say that unless you've tried it yourself a few times.
That is also categorically false. I don't need to try jumping off a cliff without a parachute to understand it's probably going to hurt if not kill me.
because methods of dealing with emotional issues are comparable to predictable physical effects of deceleration.
:roll:
Ingesting small amounts of mind alter substances, which may or may not be toxic at higher doses, would be more analogous to letting people hit you with clubs. Sure it has the potential to kill you, but in controlled conditions it might not.
that's actually a good analogy since sometimes getting your ass kicked is also a good way to get over your issues.
Which while not completely physically healthy for you, may be emotionally or mentally healthy for you, or spiritually if you want.
Getting in a fight is not usually my way to deal with things, but I have availed myself of that on occasion. No less healthy than many other methods, you just have to be careful who you pick a fight with.
Quote from: Exit City Hustle on September 02, 2010, 09:02:11 PM
that's actually a good analogy since sometimes getting your ass kicked is also a good way to get over your issues.
In my experience, neither getting my ass kicked or getting wasted has helped me get over my issues.
I do agree that "maudlin music," as you put it, is quite helpful.
Hey, everyone has different methods. I'm just saying that if it works for someone, it's not really anybody else's place to pass judgment.
My concern was more for the fact that you're married to someone and find you need emotional stimulation elsewhere. And if it's an "open" relationship, my assumption would be that this has been the situation for some time, now. Now if "open" meant you were swingers, that would slant my perception of things a bit differently. Regardless of my assumptions, therapy is usually not a bad thing.
Quote from: Iron Sulfide on September 03, 2010, 01:41:37 AM
My concern was more for the fact that you're married to someone and find you need emotional stimulation elsewhere. And if it's an "open" relationship, my assumption would be that this has been the situation for some time, now. Now if "open" meant you were swingers, that would slant my perception of things a bit differently. Regardless of my assumptions, therapy is usually not a bad thing.
Ewwww swingers are gross! Sorry, that's just me being judgmental. :)
I think that before you pass judgment on people getting "emotional stimulation" outside of their marriages, you should A: consider the fact that it'snot very healthy for anyone to rely on ONLY ONE person for all their emotional needs (see: "friends and family") and B: learn a little more about what polyamory means and why people choose it. Monogamy is not the One True and Only Way as Ordained By The Universe.
Quote from: Exit City Hustle on September 03, 2010, 12:28:41 AM
Hey, everyone has different methods. I'm just saying that if it works for someone, it's not really anybody else's place to pass judgment.
This.
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on September 02, 2010, 11:46:15 PM
Quote from: Exit City Hustle on September 02, 2010, 09:02:11 PM
that's actually a good analogy since sometimes getting your ass kicked is also a good way to get over your issues.
In my experience, neither getting my ass kicked or getting wasted has helped me get over my issues.
I do agree that "maudlin music," as you put it, is quite helpful.
I am dumped.
I am SICK.
Sick has kicked my ass.
There are no more issues.
Quote from: Nigel on September 03, 2010, 01:56:49 AM
Quote from: Iron Sulfide on September 03, 2010, 01:41:37 AM
My concern was more for the fact that you're married to someone and find you need emotional stimulation elsewhere. And if it's an "open" relationship, my assumption would be that this has been the situation for some time, now. Now if "open" meant you were swingers, that would slant my perception of things a bit differently. Regardless of my assumptions, therapy is usually not a bad thing.
Ewwww swingers are gross! Sorry, that's just me being judgmental. :)
yeah, and it's not that swinging is gross, it's just that everyone who does it is inevitably gross.
Quote from: Exit City Hustle on September 03, 2010, 02:47:39 AM
Quote from: Nigel on September 03, 2010, 01:56:49 AM
Quote from: Iron Sulfide on September 03, 2010, 01:41:37 AM
My concern was more for the fact that you're married to someone and find you need emotional stimulation elsewhere. And if it's an "open" relationship, my assumption would be that this has been the situation for some time, now. Now if "open" meant you were swingers, that would slant my perception of things a bit differently. Regardless of my assumptions, therapy is usually not a bad thing.
Ewwww swingers are gross! Sorry, that's just me being judgmental. :)
yeah, and it's not that swinging is gross, it's just that everyone who does it is inevitably gross.
Totally! Not only physically gross, but they also have The Vibe™. :vom:
Quote from: Kai on September 03, 2010, 02:07:26 AM
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on September 02, 2010, 11:46:15 PM
Quote from: Exit City Hustle on September 02, 2010, 09:02:11 PM
that's actually a good analogy since sometimes getting your ass kicked is also a good way to get over your issues.
In my experience, neither getting my ass kicked or getting wasted has helped me get over my issues.
I do agree that "maudlin music," as you put it, is quite helpful.
I am dumped.
I am SICK.
Sick has kicked my ass.
There are no more issues.
Yeah, but you're Kai.
Dok,
Has always considered you a giant.
Quote from: Exit City Hustle on September 03, 2010, 12:28:41 AM
Hey, everyone has different methods. I'm just saying that if it works for someone, it's not really anybody else's place to pass judgment.
Well, I hope I didn't come across as judgmental.
Some things do seem much more unlikely to be helpful though, and I think it's fair to comment on it when that's the case.
nah, that wasn't aimed at anybody, just a general observation.
Sometimes I find life too hard to bear, but then if I acquire some bath beads or even miniature soaps I find I can endure it a little longer.
see? bath beads, hard liquor, being physically beaten shitless...it's all good if it cures what ails you.
Unlike you FREAKS I drown my sorrow in an endless barrage of mind-numbing TV programing.
Nothing makes you forget about how your going to pat rent faster than The Cake Boss.
ME TOO i love shows about cake :fap:
they are going to do top chef DESSERTS :eek:
fap cakes?
Quote from: Lord Derp Esquire on September 03, 2010, 04:39:28 AM
Unlike you FREAKS I drown my sorrow in an endless barrage of mind-numbing TV programing.
Nothing makes you forget about how your going to pat rent faster than The Cake Boss.
Television is exempt from my normal stance of "it's all good".
Quote from: Iron Sulfide on September 03, 2010, 01:41:37 AM
My concern was more for the fact that you're married to someone and find you need emotional stimulation elsewhere. And if it's an "open" relationship, my assumption would be that this has been the situation for some time, now. Now if "open" meant you were swingers, that would slant my perception of things a bit differently. Regardless of my assumptions, therapy is usually not a bad thing.
Swingers usually get sexual, but not emotional stimulation outside the marriage. That's not how we do it. There are emotional needs that I have that my wife does not fulfil, doesn't want to fulfil, and cannot fulifl, and vice versa. We've accepted that and it's not a problem. And yes, it has been that way for a while, we get along much better now that things are open than we did before. She's been the person I have been most able to rely on for support in dealing with the breakup too.
I think it's weird that people are basically saying "OMG I can't believe you're doing something that works for you and the person you're in a relationship with!"
Quote from: Exit City Hustle on September 03, 2010, 07:03:43 AM
I think it's weird that people are basically saying "OMG I can't believe you're doing something that works for you and the person you're in a relationship with!"
I think that depends on how you define weird. It's the reaction I expect, so it's not weird to me. Poly isn't normal in the US and I don't expect it ever to be normal.
Quote from: Exit City Hustle on September 02, 2010, 08:41:38 PM
because methods of dealing with emotional issues are comparable to predictable physical effects of deceleration.
:roll:
The point was you don't need to experience certain things first hand to be able to understand the impact. There has been much research done on the effects of substances on the mind and body. I don't need to actually abuse OTCs to figure out if it is healthy or not. I will agree that a person may experience or perceive some level of short term benefit from getting high, drunk, etc., to combat an emotional episode. But, research will tell you that in the long term it is a behavior that is prone to negative consequences.
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on September 03, 2010, 10:58:25 AM
research will tell you that in the long term it is a behavior that is prone to negative consequences.
That's quite a long looooong way from "categorically false".
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on September 03, 2010, 10:58:25 AM
Quote from: Exit City Hustle on September 02, 2010, 08:41:38 PM
because methods of dealing with emotional issues are comparable to predictable physical effects of deceleration.
:roll:
The point was you don't need to experience certain things first hand to be able to understand the impact. There has been much research done on the effects of substances on the mind and body. I don't need to actually abuse OTCs to figure out if it is healthy or not. I will agree that a person may experience or perceive some level of short term benefit from getting high, drunk, etc., to combat an emotional episode. But, research will tell you that in the long term it is a behavior that is prone to negative consequences.
I don't think anyone was advocating getting high on cough syrup on a regular basis.
My job is not just to keep the crewmembers fed, but to try to keep them as healthy as possible. I don't tell them not to go enjoy a steak dinner at Outback when we get to port after a long trip just because eating at Outback regularly would be unhealthy for them. Surely you're able to understand that sometimes grown-ass adults do things rarely or in moderation that are enjoyable and produce a positive emotional state even if doing the same thing regularly would be detrimental to long-term health.
In short, I don't think that kids should do drugs either, dude, but please stop treating us as though we're the troubled teens that need preventative measures.
also, there's been a lot of research done on a whole lot of things, much of it linked to disingenuous or downright false conclusions. Not saying that applies to your professional purview, but I do think it's worth reminding that "TFYS" sometimes means not trusting what others have to say on a subject no matter how many voices there are. Sometimes you just gotta know firsthand to be able to form a valid opinion on something.
Do you have to abuse OTC meds to know they're bad for you? Definitely not. But do you have to get your heart broken and drown your sorrows in a bottle (of whiskey or robitussin or whatever) to really understand whether or not that helps you get past the emotional trauma? Yeah, I think you do. And I'm not saying it works for everyone, but I'm saying you shouldn't knock it til you try it.
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on September 03, 2010, 10:58:25 AM
Quote from: Exit City Hustle on September 02, 2010, 08:41:38 PM
because methods of dealing with emotional issues are comparable to predictable physical effects of deceleration.
:roll:
The point was you don't need to experience certain things first hand to be able to understand the impact. There has been much research done on the effects of substances on the mind and body. I don't need to actually abuse OTCs to figure out if it is healthy or not. I will agree that a person may experience or perceive some level of short term benefit from getting high, drunk, etc., to combat an emotional episode. But, research will tell you that in the long term it is a behavior that is prone to negative consequences.
Yep, I agree. Long term use of DXM is a VERY bad idea for me. I've done that before, I don't intend to do it again. Occasional short term use meanwhile (on the scale of once every few years) seems to work well for me.
Quote from: Exit City Hustle on September 03, 2010, 12:15:47 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on September 03, 2010, 10:58:25 AM
Quote from: Exit City Hustle on September 02, 2010, 08:41:38 PM
because methods of dealing with emotional issues are comparable to predictable physical effects of deceleration.
:roll:
The point was you don't need to experience certain things first hand to be able to understand the impact. There has been much research done on the effects of substances on the mind and body. I don't need to actually abuse OTCs to figure out if it is healthy or not. I will agree that a person may experience or perceive some level of short term benefit from getting high, drunk, etc., to combat an emotional episode. But, research will tell you that in the long term it is a behavior that is prone to negative consequences.
I don't think anyone was advocating getting high on cough syrup on a regular basis.
My job is not just to keep the crewmembers fed, but to try to keep them as healthy as possible. I don't tell them not to go enjoy a steak dinner at Outback when we get to port after a long trip just because eating at Outback regularly would be unhealthy for them. Surely you're able to understand that sometimes grown-ass adults do things rarely or in moderation that are enjoyable and produce a positive emotional state even if doing the same thing regularly would be detrimental to long-term health.
In short, I don't think that kids should do drugs either, dude, but please stop treating us as though we're the troubled teens that need preventative measures.
Well fuck me for being a concerned PD.COM citizen.
With that, I'm off for a few days or more.
Dude, don't be butthurt. Just recognize that you've got some particular filters that occasionally cause you to come off sounding not quite preachy but certainly overbearing about a particular subject. It's not personal in the slightest. I think you're a stand-up dude who contributes alot to this board. You just don't need to sound like a drug counselor EVERY time the subject comes up. I honestly don't see why you'd take offense to my post, especially since I was very careful to make sure I didn't accidentally come off like I was chopping at your balls over it.
ECH is being very even-handed, even though in my old age I'm leaning towards RWHN's view of life, if for no other reason than one of self-preservation (i.e. I can't keep up anymore).
Maybe.
Eventually.
Quote from: Prince Peon on September 03, 2010, 07:51:32 PM
Quote from: Doktor Alphapance on September 03, 2010, 07:44:32 PM
Maybe.
Eventually.
It says not to smoke while wearing it, which means that's the first thing I have to do.
In that case, please amend my first answer to "no".
Quote from: Prince Peon on September 03, 2010, 08:11:42 PM
Right on my balls. It felt wonderful going on, but not sure about the taking it off part. Can't worry about events in the future I guess.
Yeah, functioning scrotums are overrated.
Quote from: Nigel on September 03, 2010, 01:56:49 AM
Quote from: Iron Sulfide on September 03, 2010, 01:41:37 AM
My concern was more for the fact that you're married to someone and find you need emotional stimulation elsewhere. And if it's an "open" relationship, my assumption would be that this has been the situation for some time, now. Now if "open" meant you were swingers, that would slant my perception of things a bit differently. Regardless of my assumptions, therapy is usually not a bad thing.
Ewwww swingers are gross! Sorry, that's just me being judgmental. :)
I think that before you pass judgment on people getting "emotional stimulation" outside of their marriages, you should A: consider the fact that it'snot very healthy for anyone to rely on ONLY ONE person for all their emotional needs (see: "friends and family") and B: learn a little more about what polyamory means and why people choose it. Monogamy is not the One True and Only Way as Ordained By The Universe.
where, Nigel, did I pass judgement in that? I do tend, myself, towards a monogamous model, but that's not at all why I suggested therapy. Do you, Nigel, think that therapy is a bad thing, or somehow not beneficial? All I was trying to do was float the possibility of therapy out there without being all, "DUDE, GET UR ASS TO A SHRINK" because that's neither cool, nor helpful. I also didn't want to spiral into a huge block of text, so I kept it simple.
A: Show me where I said anybody should rely on one person. The emotional stimulation I was referring to was, in context, obviously romantic in nature. (and if you think getting your romantic emotional needs satisfied by your Friends and
Family is cool, that's some odd shit there...)
B:poly = many; amor = love. I'm quite aware of what being a slut is. And if that's what a person is, far be it for me to condemn them anymore than for being black, gay, schizophrenic or paraplegic. It is what is.
Now you gonna keep needling me, or what?
Quote from: Prince Peon on September 03, 2010, 08:11:42 PM
Right on my balls. It felt wonderful going on, but not sure about the taking it off part. Can't worry about events in the future I guess.
Dok isn't here today, so I'ma have to call this one for him.
Quote from: Iron Sulfide on September 03, 2010, 08:22:45 PM
Quote from: Nigel on September 03, 2010, 01:56:49 AM
Quote from: Iron Sulfide on September 03, 2010, 01:41:37 AM
My concern was more for the fact that you're married to someone and find you need emotional stimulation elsewhere. And if it's an "open" relationship, my assumption would be that this has been the situation for some time, now. Now if "open" meant you were swingers, that would slant my perception of things a bit differently. Regardless of my assumptions, therapy is usually not a bad thing.
Ewwww swingers are gross! Sorry, that's just me being judgmental. :)
I think that before you pass judgment on people getting "emotional stimulation" outside of their marriages, you should A: consider the fact that it'snot very healthy for anyone to rely on ONLY ONE person for all their emotional needs (see: "friends and family") and B: learn a little more about what polyamory means and why people choose it. Monogamy is not the One True and Only Way as Ordained By The Universe.
where, Nigel, did I pass judgement in that? I do tend, myself, towards a monogamous model, but that's not at all why I suggested therapy. Do you, Nigel, think that therapy is a bad thing, or somehow not beneficial? All I was trying to do was float the possibility of therapy out there without being all, "DUDE, GET UR ASS TO A SHRINK" because that's neither cool, nor helpful. I also didn't want to spiral into a huge block of text, so I kept it simple.
A: Show me where I said anybody should rely on one person. The emotional stimulation I was referring to was, in context, obviously romantic in nature. (and if you think getting your romantic emotional needs satisfied by your Friends and Family is cool, that's some odd shit there...)
B:poly = many; amor = love. I'm quite aware of what being a slut is. And if that's what a person is, far be it for me to condemn them anymore than for being black, gay, schizophrenic or paraplegic. It is what is.
Now you gonna keep needling me, or what?
I wasn't needling you... I don't even know who you are, why would I needle you? I was replying to the post you made.
Quote from: Iron Sulfide on September 03, 2010, 01:41:37 AM
My concern was more for the fact that you're married to someone and find you need emotional stimulation elsewhere. And if it's an "open" relationship, my assumption would be that this has been the situation for some time, now. Now if "open" meant you were swingers, that would slant my perception of things a bit differently. Regardless of my assumptions, therapy is usually not a bad thing.
Incidentally, I think there is at least one swinger who posts here... you may have just offended them.
Quote from: Exit City Hustle on September 03, 2010, 07:03:43 AM
I think it's weird that people are basically saying "OMG I can't believe you're doing something that works for you and the person you're in a relationship with!"
Yeah, me too. :?
Quote from: Doktor Alphapance on September 03, 2010, 08:58:50 PM
Incidentally, I think there is at least one swinger who posts here... you may have just offended them.
I don't, actually, care. I am prejudiced against swinging; I think it's gross. I don't usually bring it up unless someone is all "ZOMG SWINGING IS AWZUMMM BUT ROMANTIC LOVE FOR MORE THAN ONE PERSON IS UNHEALTHY!"
As long as swingers keep their emotionally disconnected dongles away from me, I won't hit them with a shovel.
Well, I guess we now know where you stand on the subject.
Quote from: Iron Sulfide on September 03, 2010, 08:22:45 PM
A: Show me where I said anybody should rely on one person. The emotional stimulation I was referring to was, in context, obviously romantic in nature. (and if you think getting your romantic emotional needs satisfied by your Friends and Family is cool, that's some odd shit there...)
Polyamory is about getting romantic needs fulfilled by more than one person.
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B:poly = many; amor = love. I'm quite aware of what being a slut is. And if that's what a person is, far be it for me to condemn them anymore than for being black, gay, schizophrenic or paraplegic. It is what is.
Wait, so you don't want to bother finding out what polyamory is? You just want to jump to predetermined conclusions? "Poly" doesn't mean "many"; it means "multiple". "Multiple loves". There is nothing wrong with being promiscuous, but polyamory" =/= "slutty".
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Now you gonna keep needling me, or what?
Upon re-reading, it appears that you are needling me.
We did swinging for awhile... Or rather we joined a swinger club because we were curious. Thought it would be fun to expose ourselves to a different reality tunnel and honestly the idea of a subculture that had rebelled against some of ther strongest taboos in our society was something I wanted to see.
:asplode:
Don't get me wrong... we're not monogamous. But we sure as hell aren't in that 'lifestyle'. Absurd doesn't even begin to cover the experience.
I don't think we're really poly-amorous either, that indicates long term relationship sort of things... I guess maybe I'm just a somewhat picky slut.
Yeah.
I realize that people live their relationships, open or otherwise, in many different ways. I get extremely attached to my lovers, but I realize that other people in open relationships may cultivate their relationships differently. However, my experiences with the "swinger" world have been creepy bordering on horrific. Swingers and "polys" are vastly different in their approach to sexual intimacy, IME.
Quote from: Doktor Alphapance on September 03, 2010, 08:58:50 PM
Incidentally, I think there is at least one swinger who posts here... you may have just offended them.
Did he/she invent the breakbeat?
The biggest freaks sexually, IMO, are those totally straight married couples that never touch each other, or anybody else in some skewed sense of fidelity.
And even then it always comes down to individuals, personality, vibe. Sexuality is too fluid for labels to fit and stick. Every poly person I've met has a different set of gudelines and needs.
Swingers seem a bit more rigid about their interactions, but that's from my limited observations. It always always always comes back to personality.
Quote from: Nigel on September 03, 2010, 09:21:09 PM
Yeah.
I realize that people live their relationships, open or otherwise, in many different ways. I get extremely attached to my lovers, but I realize that other people in open relationships may cultivate their relationships differently. However, my experiences with the "swinger" world have been creepy bordering on horrific. Swingers and "polys" are vastly different in their approach to sexual intimacy, IME.
I agree. We presumed (falsly) that you met people, got to know them and then maybe had an orgy or something. Apparently, you meet people fuck them and then occasionally catch their name or contact them in the future. Also, apparently there is a presumption that if you're there YOU WILL FUCKING ANYTHING... literally.
We were used to occasionally ending up in some crazy intimate situation with friends that we loved and were close to. I kid you not, we walked in the door and within 15 minutes three guys had hit her up for oral sex... like "Oh hey, can I get you a drink? Wanna suck my cock?"
We joined one of the online services and figured maybe meeting individuals not at a club would work better... so we met a couple, went to have dinner at their place (seemed nice) and in between excusing themselves to stick powder up their nose, they made it clear that they 'expected' sex that night.... cause 'Why else would we be having dinner with strangers?'
Me, I'm just sticking with surprising adventures with close friends from now on.
:horrormirth:
I think Central Ohio may be part of the problem with my experience with swingers....
Quote from: Ratatosk on September 03, 2010, 09:29:15 PM
Quote from: Nigel on September 03, 2010, 09:21:09 PM
Yeah.
I realize that people live their relationships, open or otherwise, in many different ways. I get extremely attached to my lovers, but I realize that other people in open relationships may cultivate their relationships differently. However, my experiences with the "swinger" world have been creepy bordering on horrific. Swingers and "polys" are vastly different in their approach to sexual intimacy, IME.
I agree. We presumed (falsly) that you met people, got to know them and then maybe had an orgy or something. Apparently, you meet people fuck them and then occasionally catch their name or contact them in the future. Also, apparently there is a presumption that if you're there YOU WILL FUCKING ANYTHING... literally.
We were used to occasionally ending up in some crazy intimate situation with friends that we loved and were close to. I kid you not, we walked in the door and within 15 minutes three guys had hit her up for oral sex... like "Oh hey, can I get you a drink? Wanna suck my cock?"
We joined one of the online services and figured maybe meeting individuals not at a club would work better... so we met a couple, went to have dinner at their place (seemed nice) and in between excusing themselves to stick powder up their nose, they made it clear that they 'expected' sex that night.... cause 'Why else would we be having dinner with strangers?'
Me, I'm just sticking with surprising adventures with close friends from now on.
:horrormirth:
I think Central Ohio may be part of the problem with my experience with swingers....
I don't think it's your location... that's been pretty much my experience too. On top of that, a local girl tried to organize a sort of support group for bi-poly relationships, and was really explicit about how it was NOT a pick-up group, but of course when me and my two guys went to the meet & greet it was swarming with swingers looking to wife swap or for three-ways, and also NONE of the men there were bi except for mine. I had several couples ask me if I'd go home with them before I'd even finished my first drink.
It was skeezy, it was creepy, and it's so far away from what I'm about that I have no further interest in meeting anyone in the "poly community" here ever again, because I think the only people who try to form a "poly community" are actually swingers, who are the opposite of polyamorous IMO. There are different ways to conduct an open relationship, and that's one I want to stay far, far away from. I like my sex
with emotional connection.
Oh, and that poor organizer girl gave up on her support group idea for the same reasons.
For me, the emotional connection isn't a requirement, necessarily. Most of my best experiences have been with close friends, but if I met someone that was cool, interesting, cute... sex can be fun. For me, the ick factor was the expectation that if you were there, you were there for any and all sexual partners that happened to walk by.
I think I expected a club atmosphere where you might hit it off with someone on the dance floor and go from there.
Quote from: Ratatosk on September 03, 2010, 09:53:38 PM
For me, the emotional connection isn't a requirement, necessarily. Most of my best experiences have been with close friends, but if I met someone that was cool, interesting, cute... sex can be fun. For me, the ick factor was the expectation that if you were there, you were there for any and all sexual partners that happened to walk by.
I think I expected a club atmosphere where you might hit it off with someone on the dance floor and go from there.
Yeah, that was the specific thing that creeped me out. The "you're here to fuck, so of course you'll fuck anyone" vibe. Obviously, it works for some people. Personally, it makes my skin crawl. It feels oddly predatory. That was another thing about that scene... so many of the women seemed to be kind of strange little burned out husks without much personality beyond being creepily sexual in front of their partner. I don't know if you experienced anything similar, but it seriously wierded me out.
Quote from: Nigel on September 03, 2010, 09:39:24 PM
I don't think it's your location... that's been pretty much my experience too. On top of that, a local girl tried to organize a sort of support group for bi-poly relationships, and was really explicit about how it was NOT a pick-up group, but of course when me and my two guys went to the meet & greet it was swarming with swingers looking to wife swap or for three-ways, and also NONE of the men there were bi except for mine. I had several couples ask me if I'd go home with them before I'd even finished my first drink.
It was skeezy, it was creepy, and it's so far away from what I'm about that I have no further interest in meeting anyone in the "poly community" here ever again, because I think the only people who try to form a "poly community" are actually swingers, who are the opposite of polyamorous IMO. There are different ways to conduct an open relationship, and that's one I want to stay far, far away from. I like my sex with emotional connection.
Oh, and that poor organizer girl gave up on her support group idea for the same reasons.
I was always one of the people who mocked the whole emotional connection thing but it does, in fact, make a difference in sex. Cue the crow pie. Being with BF and GF has been an incredibly illuminating experience so far.
Yeah, it makes the whole difference to me. I can masturbate all by myself... I don't need another person's body to do it on.
Quote from: Nigel on September 03, 2010, 09:39:24 PM
I don't think it's your location... that's been pretty much my experience too. On top of that, a local girl tried to organize a sort of support group for bi-poly relationships, and was really explicit about how it was NOT a pick-up group, but of course when me and my two guys went to the meet & greet it was swarming with swingers looking to wife swap or for three-ways, and also NONE of the men there were bi except for mine. I had several couples ask me if I'd go home with them before I'd even finished my first drink.
It was skeezy, it was creepy, and it's so far away from what I'm about that I have no further interest in meeting anyone in the "poly community" here ever again, because I think the only people who try to form a "poly community" are actually swingers, who are the opposite of polyamorous IMO. There are different ways to conduct an open relationship, and that's one I want to stay far, far away from. I like my sex with emotional connection.
Oh, and that poor organizer girl gave up on her support group idea for the same reasons.
Jesus christ ugh.
I feel (from experience) that I function best when in multiple relationships, and the above experience is just EWWWWWWW.
Quote from: Nigel on September 03, 2010, 10:11:22 PM
Yeah, it makes the whole difference to me. I can masturbate all by myself... I don't need another person's body to do it on.
I don't need one, but sometimes its fun.
I dated a woman who claimed to be a swinger. For her it certainly wasn't about the emotional connection, but it seemed that it wasn't about the hot action either. For her it was all about identifying herself as a swinger. She imagined herself to be this swarthy temptress who would make anyone's jaw drop with her 21st century sexual audacity and kink.
In practice it ended up being little more than meat banging into meat.
Quote from: Alty on September 03, 2010, 10:18:51 PM
I dated a woman who claimed to be a swinger. For her it certainly wasn't about the emotional connection, but it seemed that it wasn't about the hot action either. For her it was all about identifying herself as a swinger. She imagined herself to be this swarthy temptress who would make anyone's jaw drop with her 21st century sexual audacity and kink.
In practice it ended up being little more than meat banging into meat.
Its politics for sex!
Quote from: Alty on September 03, 2010, 10:18:51 PM
I dated a woman who claimed to be a swinger. For her it certainly wasn't about the emotional connection, but it seemed that it wasn't about the hot action either. For her it was all about identifying herself as a swinger. She imagined herself to be this swarthy temptress who would make anyone's jaw drop with her 21st century sexual audacity and kink.
In practice it ended up being little more than meat banging into meat.
There seem to be a lot of variation in people that identify as swingers. I've met some of the couples like Nigel mentioned where the woman seems like she is about fried, met some like Alty's experience... met several that just seem desperate and lonely. And all of those have pros and cons... however, the only kind of 'swingers' I really ever get pissed at are the two-faced hypocrites.
Example: One couple, the guy is only comfortable with having other women involved. He and another woman and his GF = OK; He and another woman - his GF = OK; His woman and another man in any way shape or form = OMGZ I CAN"T DEAL WITH IT, I FEEL LIKE I'M NOT SPECIAL!
Makes me want to slap him for being a douche and her for being with him. :argh!:
Swingers, and people who just fuck anyone at random, worry me. I require proof of being disease free, in the form of a clinic visit and test results, before anyone gets in my pants. I provide the same for the owners of the pants I am attempting to get into.
Quote from: Ratatosk on September 03, 2010, 10:13:31 PM
Quote from: Nigel on September 03, 2010, 10:11:22 PM
Yeah, it makes the whole difference to me. I can masturbate all by myself... I don't need another person's body to do it on.
I don't need one, but sometimes its fun.
I agree that it's fun to have sex with other people, but for me the amount of fun is pretty contingent on having an emotional connection with them. I don't have to be in love, but I like, you know, to like them, and make eye contact and stuff. If they're just a big meaty dildo to me, or I'm nothing more than an animate sex doll, I'll pass.
Quote from: Nigel on September 03, 2010, 10:37:56 PM
Quote from: Ratatosk on September 03, 2010, 10:13:31 PM
Quote from: Nigel on September 03, 2010, 10:11:22 PM
Yeah, it makes the whole difference to me. I can masturbate all by myself... I don't need another person's body to do it on.
I don't need one, but sometimes its fun.
I agree that it's fun to have sex with other people, but for me the amount of fun is pretty contingent on having an emotional connection with them. I don't have to be in love, but I like, you know, to like them, and make eye contact and stuff. If they're just a big meaty dildo to me, or I'm nothing more than an animate sex doll, I'll pass.
For me it depends on the quality of the sex doll :evil:
When you put a cigarette out, the nicotine actually clears your system, in about 15 minutes, leaving virtually no trace. It's just really good at making it's presence absence felt. And all your little neurons are so needy, and whiny, you only notice it's even been there, when you start to feel it's absence. Nicotine isn't much of a health risk anyway. It's the buckets full of bitumine you have to strain through your lungs in order to get enough Nicotine to satisfy the withdrawal that's the real problem. But nicotine is the one that gets the blame, every time. I tried patches for a while, but they worked out more expensive, and not nearly as satisfying, so I weaned myself off them with cigarettes. Now I'm fine.
But to answer, you have a Tar Baby in each lung, about 5 inches tall, and they look like little naked Robinson's Golliwogs. But stickier.They love nicotine too, but find it difficult to follow through the cells of lungy intake. They still try though, and can clog the fuckers up with road tar. Even that heavy, chesty feeling on cold winter mornings is reassuring, because you know there is activity enough in there to appreciate your first one of the day.
I've heard Doctors say that nicotine is the single most addictive substance there is, but I'm not so sure. I mean, I've smoked for 30 years, and in all that time, I never found myself kneeling on the piss soaked floor of Marylebone Station Toilets, sucking old mens wrinkled dicks, for enough money to buy half an ounce of Baccy. Just sayin'.
Quote from: BadBeast on September 07, 2010, 10:51:38 PM
When you put a cigarette out, the nicotine actually clears your system, in about 15 minutes, leaving virtually no trace. It's just really good at making it's presence absence felt. And all your little neurons are so needy, and whiny, you only notice it's even been there, when you start to feel it's absence. Nicotine isn't much of a health risk anyway. It's the buckets full of bitumine you have to strain through your lungs in order to get enough Nicotine to satisfy the withdrawal that's the real problem. But nicotine is the one that gets the blame, every time. I tried patches for a while, but they worked out more expensive, and not nearly as satisfying, so I weaned myself off them with cigarettes. Now I'm fine.
But to answer, you have a Tar Baby in each lung, about 5 inches tall, and they look like little naked Robinson's Golliwogs. But stickier.They love nicotine too, but find it difficult to follow through the cells of lungy intake. They still try though, and can clog the fuckers up with road tar. Even that heavy, chesty feeling on cold winter mornings is reassuring, because you know there is activity enough in there to appreciate your first one of the day.
I've heard Doctors say that nicotine is the single most addictive substance there is, but I'm not so sure. I mean, I've smoked for 30 years, and in all that time, I never found myself kneeling on the piss soaked floor of Marylebone Station Toilets, sucking old mens wrinkled dicks, for enough money to buy half an ounce of Baccy. Just sayin'.
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
he died.
like, completely....
search for loose change type dead.
you can't harbor the hate that he did and stay alive for long...
unbalances the humors.
badly,
baldly,
boldly.
a true man.
:rbtg: