That never sold out.
I will start with the Beatles.
I know many claim Yoko was the disruptive cause that caused the band to break up, but I wonder.
I wonder how much it had to do with the industry itself. They forever shaped music, and the direction it took. I expect there was tremendous never ending pressure for them to do things differently.
They reached the pinnacle by doing things their way. How long could it have continued without them turning into something like The Rolling Stones or The Grateful Dead, touring for 30 years after their last hit.
Thank you John, Paul, George and Ringo.
Some of you may disagree, but I'll give a quick shout out to two of the fallen who have inspired me: Kurt Cobain (listening to Nirvana got me into music) and Peter Steele
The Beatles are a good choice. They didn't sell out - it isn't their fault that the entire industry copied them for 30 years (and is beginning to again).
Quote from: Doktor Blight on September 10, 2010, 12:49:59 AM
Some of you may disagree, but I'll give a quick shout out to two of the fallen who have inspired me: Kurt Cobain (listening to Nirvana got me into music) and Peter Steele
Disqualified. Last album or two from Type O Negative were pure "pop goth" radio candy bullshit. Peter Steele does however retain points for being one of only 3 men whose genitals have been portrayed in the background picture of my wife's computer screen.
I submit
Slayer. They are the only one of the BIG 3 thrash metal bands that didn't go through a "let's cut our hair and go to therapy, and turn our music into indie-pop love ballads" phase.
The Minutemen. (http://trouserpress.com/entry.php?a=minutemen) No compromise. Ever.
Zappa.
I wish to add Hendrix.
I contend that "Band of Gypsies" was a sellout.
LMNO
-sometimes, sellouts sound really fucking good.
Jim Morrison
Sold out to himself; became a self-parody.
Quote from: Doktor Alphapance on September 10, 2010, 02:54:10 PM
Sold out to himself; became a self-parody.
I'll have to think on this one.
So what is your opinion of Queen, during the Freddie Mercury days only, not post.
I disqualify myself, only because I never really liked Queen all that much.
However, if forced, I would say that some bands actively pursue the sellout, and make it part of who they are. There's nothing wrong with giving the people exactly what they want. Queen seemed to excel at this.
Again, nothing really wrong with that.
Quote from: Doktor Alphapance on September 10, 2010, 02:54:10 PM
Sold out to himself; became a self-parody.
This is the worst kind of selling out, imho.
Other kinds of selling out probably result from losing creative steam and just going with the popular trends, or try to foresee popular trends and "lead" that way, or losing the drive to break new ground musically. But becoming a self-parody is when you try to live up to your stage persona for its own sake, without actually
being it anymore, and it leads to derivative, contrived music and an ever-shrinking image. Jim Morrison did that in the 70's, and Marilyn Manson is doing it now.
Henry Rollins.
Janis Joplin
Willie Nelson
edit: also,
JOHNNY CASH
I can think of tons but here are a few off the top of my head:
Tom Petty
Neil Young
Judas Priest
Sonic Youth
Quote from: Charley Brown on September 10, 2010, 03:33:27 PM
Janis Joplin
Charley lists off his favorite classic rock heroes, ITT.
I'm not sure if it counts if you die before you get the
chance to sell out.
Quote from: Doktor Alphapance on September 10, 2010, 05:09:39 PM
Quote from: Charley Brown on September 10, 2010, 03:33:27 PM
Janis Joplin
Charley lists off his favorite classic rock heroes, ITT.
I'm not sure if it counts if you die before you get the chance to sell out.
I did consider that when posting her and Hendrix.
And a not so favorite. Meatloaf.
Tom Waits
Nofx
Bad Religion
Immortal Technique
Miles Davis
A random selection of my own favoured artists that I think have integrity.
Shannon Hoon.
Link Wray.
J.G. Thirlwell.
Quote from: vexati0n on September 10, 2010, 05:58:57 AM
The Beatles are a good choice. They didn't sell out - it isn't their fault that the entire industry copied them for 30 years (and is beginning to again).
Quote from: Doktor Blight on September 10, 2010, 12:49:59 AM
Some of you may disagree, but I'll give a quick shout out to two of the fallen who have inspired me: Kurt Cobain (listening to Nirvana got me into music) and Peter Steele
Disqualified. Last album or two from Type O Negative were pure "pop goth" radio candy bullshit. Peter Steele does however retain points for being one of only 3 men whose genitals have been portrayed in the background picture of my wife's computer screen.
I reckon that has a lot to do with going to rehab and converting to Catholicism.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Payne on September 10, 2010, 05:34:29 PM
Quote from: Doktor Plague on September 10, 2010, 05:33:25 PM
Shannon Hoon.
Quote from: Doktor Alphapance on September 10, 2010, 05:09:39 PM
I'm not sure if it counts if you die before you get the chance to sell out.
I can't be sure either, but
Soup sounded to me like a bit of a backlash against the kind of sound that made No Rain a hit. Or maybe it just happened to be the general direction they were going in at the time. Who knows?
Quote from: Doktor Plague on September 10, 2010, 07:55:44 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Payne on September 10, 2010, 05:34:29 PM
Quote from: Doktor Plague on September 10, 2010, 05:33:25 PM
Shannon Hoon.
Quote from: Doktor Alphapance on September 10, 2010, 05:09:39 PM
I'm not sure if it counts if you die before you get the chance to sell out.
I can't be sure either, but Soup sounded to me like a bit of a backlash against the kind of sound that made No Rain a hit. Or maybe it just happened to be the general direction they were going in at the time. Who knows?
Soup is a great album, but I don't think it really shows any real backlash as you say. It's just better.
It was inspired mostly by his trip(s) to detox and the ensuing darker view on the world, as opposed to any rejection of corporate interference in Blind Melons music.
He never had a chance to sell out, or a chance to show he had long lasting integrity of whatever form that might take, which is (probably) a pity. He did get a chance to show everyone how to REALLY kill off a promising career in the shortest possible amount of time though.
Quote from: Doktor Alphapance on September 10, 2010, 02:54:10 PM
Sold out to himself; became a self-parody.
There was a point where he wasn't a self parody?
Quote from: Doktor Alphapance on September 10, 2010, 02:01:16 PM
The Minutemen. (http://trouserpress.com/entry.php?a=minutemen) No compromise. Ever.
THIS
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Quote from: Doktor Plague on September 10, 2010, 03:32:25 PM
Henry Rollins.
I FUCKING LOVE HENRY
but i would say this is up for debate. Laptop/ label ads + NIKE ads make me go ...hmm...
OR OTHERWISE
i would like a definition for "sell out". actually, i'd like that def anyway to continue onto a coherent rumble
i say
Marc Almond (the singer)
Genesis P. Orridge (the thinger/ tinker/ dreamer)
Hank Williams, Jr. (a natural born guitar ringer)
cuz they're all old n time worn.
AND
Douglas Pierce (Death In June).
Quote from: E.O.T. on September 11, 2010, 08:44:34 AM
Quote from: Doktor Plague on September 10, 2010, 03:32:25 PM
Henry Rollins.
I FUCKING LOVE HENRY
but i would say this is up for debate. Laptop/ label ads + NIKE ads make me go ...hmm...
I didn't realize he'd done that.
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