Well I'm convinced (browse the comments)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/7976594/Stephen-Hawking-God-was-not-needed-to-create-the-Universe.html
QuoteTake the amoeba. The amoeba is the most complex single celled organism in existence. The amoeba is also unique, because, it has been proven that it perceives and recognizes that there are forces/life outside of what it knows. If you apply heat or cold, the amoeba reacts. It knows it did not generate the heat or cold, but it recognized it and adapted accordingly. The amoeba recognizes others of its kind, and even other single celled organisms. It reacts and adapts accordingly. The amoeba recognizes light and dark, and adapts accordingly.
The reasons I post this is that humans are like the amoebas. We are the most complex of organisms, we recognize other organisms, and we develop our own mechanisms of dealing with life inside and around us. We also 'know' that there are a higher set of powers/environments out there, forces yet to be 'discovered', etc etc, but we still adapt and overcome.
For you to deny the existence of God or saying 'God is not needed for our environment' is like the amoeba wagging one of its tentacles at us, the humans, saying the same thing. This logic by association is exactly the reason why God 1: is real and exists and 2: determines 'our Judgement' when we die. Does the pietry dish get flushed? Does the amoeba who dies gets 'reborn'?
To say that the "Big Bang" happens without God's hand, is like saying "we humans didn't put amoebas in the pietry dish". Going by your argument that 'gravity exists, therefore, Big Bang occurred', means there had to be a set of environments and objects in place for gravity to happen. And, another counter-argument to your gravity farce, if this is in any way shape or form true, explain to me what a Black Hole is, what it does, and what happens to ANYTHING that gets pulled by a black hole?
For all we know, the black hole could be a vacuum cleaner going through and sucking up everything out of the pietry dish. Now, does that mean that the Bible is 'word'? That, depends on the interpretation of each person and the faith of each person. It may not be perfect, since it is of mortal design, but it IS the best we got so far. Until some evidence comes along that can be explained in a calm, rational, justifiable manner, then, I guess "God" is the best we got (and the only one that makes sense).
hause
Way to spell "pietry dish"
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I'm guessing that amoebas gained sentience about the same time it developed tentacles.
Quote from: Doktor Alphapance on September 10, 2010, 06:16:28 PM
I'm guessing that amoebas gained sentience about the same time it developed tentacles.
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ON a more serious note, "LOLWUT???"
I want a Pie Try dish.
It sounds like some kind of award for "Attempted Baking" or something.
Hey, maybe it has something to do with Santa Cupcake?
Santa Cupcake is the best proof I've yet seen of the existence of god.
But wait! That must have been some pretty complex god there, doing complex shit to a cupcake.
As we all know, if there is proof that something is more complex than some other thing, then there must continue to be even more complex things than that. Doesn't that mean that God has his own god then, and that that god has more gods and so on?
You can't fool me, it's amoebas all the way up!
Quote from: The Good Reverend Payne on September 10, 2010, 06:26:25 PM
I want a Pie Try dish.
It sounds like some kind of award for "Attempted Baking" or something.
Hey, maybe it has something to do with Santa Cupcake?
Santa Cupcake is the best proof I've yet seen of the existence of god.
But wait! That must have been some pretty complex god there, doing complex shit to a cupcake.
As we all know, if there is proof that something is more complex than some other thing, then there must continue to be even more complex things than that. Doesn't that mean that God has his own god then, and that that god has more gods and so on?
You can't fool me, it's amoebas all the way up!
And remember God exists because there is no life in your peanut butter.
Quote from: Cudgel on September 10, 2010, 06:28:12 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Payne on September 10, 2010, 06:26:25 PM
I want a Pie Try dish.
It sounds like some kind of award for "Attempted Baking" or something.
Hey, maybe it has something to do with Santa Cupcake?
Santa Cupcake is the best proof I've yet seen of the existence of god.
But wait! That must have been some pretty complex god there, doing complex shit to a cupcake.
As we all know, if there is proof that something is more complex than some other thing, then there must continue to be even more complex things than that. Doesn't that mean that God has his own god then, and that that god has more gods and so on?
You can't fool me, it's amoebas all the way up!
And remember God exists because there is no life in your peanut butter.
Different argument, but still just as retarded.
Personally, I have no opinion either way on the existence of god - insufficient data.
On an emotional/spiritual level, I have no interest either way in his existence or otherwise. Either he is there, and he's a sick bastard getting his yuks in while he can. Or he doesn't exists, and we're the sick bastards getting our yuks in while we can.
Either way, as long as someone has fun...
insufficient data?
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hell whenever i argue about it i start at the beginning, and find that there is insufficient definition...
you ask for a precise definition of 'god' and get a dumb look, but when you press the issue, the whole argument over 'his' existence goes away, i find.
well, to be fair, it's usually the person arguing that goes away, but, whatever. problem solved.
You will burn in the eternal PieTry Dish, sinner!
EITHER
We are the gods of the amoebas and the amoebas are the GODS to enzymes
OR
:?
Quote from: Joh'Nyx on September 10, 2010, 06:55:26 PM
EITHER
We are the gods of the amoebas and the amoebas are the GODS to enzymes
OR
:?
Unless it's brain eating amoeba and thenwe're just food. Or, part of us is food.
If there is a god, he's one seriously twisted asshole.
Rage....building....need to smackdown...rising...