It's not enough that a national survey released Tuesday found atheists were the highest-scoring group on basic religious knowledge — now members of Metro State Atheists are being regular goody-two-shoes.
The group began a three-day campus food drive Tuesday dubbed "Food for Freethought."
The atheists take in nonperishable food items or cash donations from fellow students or other passers-by. In return, they hand out free books.
These are books that have been banned, censored or at least roundly criticized, said group co-founder Joel Guttormson.
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_16200435?source=pop_section_news
One great idea. Even if they are atheists.
They seem to understand that most people think Atheists are snotty and unprincipled, so this is a good move.
Wonders how we can get them a few copies of BIP
That's brilliant! I wonder if they are deliberately being self-mocking?
Quote from: Sigmatic on October 04, 2010, 10:09:04 PM
They seem to understand that most people think Atheists are snotty and unprincipled, so this is a good move.
Atheists AREN'T snotty and unprincipled?!
Quote from: Doktor Blight on October 05, 2010, 06:25:09 AM
Quote from: Sigmatic on October 04, 2010, 10:09:04 PM
They seem to understand that most people think Atheists are snotty and unprincipled, so this is a good move.
Atheists AREN'T snotty and unprincipled?!
I think you're thinking of Dawkinites.
Quote from: Requia ☣ on October 05, 2010, 06:26:17 AM
Quote from: Doktor Blight on October 05, 2010, 06:25:09 AM
Quote from: Sigmatic on October 04, 2010, 10:09:04 PM
They seem to understand that most people think Atheists are snotty and unprincipled, so this is a good move.
Atheists AREN'T snotty and unprincipled?!
I think you're thinking of Dawkinites.
It was a joke, since militant atheism is the soup du jour.
Blight,
needs to make better use of emotes
Well, to be fair I'm not exceptionally principled, but I'm never snotty!
Quote from: Henny Youngman on October 04, 2010, 09:57:08 PM
It's not enough that a national survey released Tuesday found atheists were the highest-scoring group on basic religious knowledge — now members of Metro State Atheists are being regular goody-two-shoes.
The group began a three-day campus food drive Tuesday dubbed "Food for Freethought."
The atheists take in nonperishable food items or cash donations from fellow students or other passers-by. In return, they hand out free books.
These are books that have been banned, censored or at least roundly criticized, said group co-founder Joel Guttormson.
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_16200435?source=pop_section_news
One great idea. Even if they are atheists.
The Secular Student Alliance does stuff like this all the time. They don't always get the big press though. The secular group at University of South Carolina just did a fundraiser for Amnesty International where you could "stone a heathen" with a water ballon in the place of a stone. The school mascot even got in on the act:
(http://friendlyatheist.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/62468_1516178776689_1001040315_31358701_2747055_n.jpg)
Quote from: Doktor Blight on October 05, 2010, 06:36:58 AM
It was a joke, since militant atheism is the soup du jour.
Blight,
needs to make better use of emotes
WTF is a militant atheist? Someone who bombs churches and shit? Haven't seen any of those around here.
China has a lot of militant atheists. Just ask anyone from Tibet.
Stone a heathen.... Damn that is fucking funny.
I really need to help with the kid's next carnival fundraiser!!!
Quote from: Iason Ouabache on October 05, 2010, 08:39:56 AM
Quote from: Doktor Blight on October 05, 2010, 06:36:58 AM
It was a joke, since militant atheism is the soup du jour.
Blight,
needs to make better use of emotes
WTF is a militant atheist? Someone who bombs churches and shit? Haven't seen any of those around here.
Interchangeable with atheists within the New Atheism movement or whatever that's called. I've heard atheists describe themselves as militant, in the sense that religion is an enemy that must be eliminated. Not through armed conflict but by directly and repeatedly attacking it on an intellectual level (which usually manifests as being obnoxious trolls either online or in real life with a superiority complex)
Which is, of course, counterproductive, since it just gets people defensive.
The best thing you can do is to teach them how to think critically and rationally without specific mention of religion, but to try and get them to apply it in their everyday life. Sooner or later the principles of the former, which do work, will run up against the dogma of the latter, which does not and the former should win.
Quote from: Iason Ouabache on October 05, 2010, 08:39:56 AM
WTF is a militant atheist? Someone who bombs churches and shit? Haven't seen any of those around here.
One could argue that some instances of Militant Atheism have existed in the past. Some revolutionaries in the 1700's, certain communistic governments/revolutions etc. However, when you dig deep you find that their militant behavior has a lot in common with Theistic militant behavior and may have a lot more to do with the monkey brain, than that which the monkey brain worships (or doesn't worship).
Me, I'm a militant Maybe Logican. I feel as though I may kill a motherfucker, in some sense, based on the situation, context and level of knowledge I have at the moment, or not.
:lulz:
Quote from: Cain on October 05, 2010, 06:06:51 PM
Which is, of course, counterproductive, since it just gets people defensive.
The best thing you can do is to teach them how to think critically and rationally without specific mention of religion, but to try and get them to apply it in their everyday life. Sooner or later the principles of the former, which do work, will run up against the dogma of the latter, which does not and the former should win.
AKA, "The HP Methods of Rationality Gambit".
Quote from: Doktor Alphapance on October 05, 2010, 06:32:10 PM
Quote from: Cain on October 05, 2010, 06:06:51 PM
Which is, of course, counterproductive, since it just gets people defensive.
The best thing you can do is to teach them how to think critically and rationally without specific mention of religion, but to try and get them to apply it in their everyday life. Sooner or later the principles of the former, which do work, will run up against the dogma of the latter, which does not and the former should win.
AKA, "The HP Methods of Rationality Gambit".
People get rather attached to religion, though, and will either use a twisted version of rationality to legitimize particularly absurd beliefs (Intelligent Design) or they start to reinterpret parts of their religion as allegorical while maintaining belief in the existence of a deity.
Preferably it would at least result in the latter with a decrease in bombings, shootings, and attempting to legislate religious ideas.
Quote from: Cain on October 05, 2010, 06:06:51 PM
Which is, of course, counterproductive, since it just gets people defensive.
The best thing you can do is to teach them how to think critically and rationally without specific mention of religion, but to try and get them to apply it in their everyday life. Sooner or later the principles of the former, which do work, will run up against the dogma of the latter, which does not and the former should win.
Very true, which is why I prefer the "skeptic" label to the "atheist" label. Atheist is negative (defined by what you are not), skeptic is positive (defined by what you are).
Quote from: Ratatosk on October 05, 2010, 06:12:32 PM
Quote from: Iason Ouabache on October 05, 2010, 08:39:56 AM
WTF is a militant atheist? Someone who bombs churches and shit? Haven't seen any of those around here.
One could argue that some instances of Militant Atheism have existed in the past. Some revolutionaries in the 1700's, certain communistic governments/revolutions etc. However, when you dig deep you find that their militant behavior has a lot in common with Theistic militant behavior and may have a lot more to do with the monkey brain, than that which the monkey brain worships (or doesn't worship).
Very true. There have been plenty of violent atheists just as there have been in every belief system. Ideology has never stopped anyone from a raging asshole. I'd like to point out though that the people getting called militant atheists these days because they commit the sin of disagreeing with someone's world view on the internet. You can't really compare that to suicide bombing, killing abortion doctors and starting unending wars in the Middle East.
QuoteMe, I'm a militant Maybe Logican. I feel as though I may kill a motherfucker, in some sense, based on the situation, context and level of knowledge I have at the moment, or not.
:lulz:
I'm a militant agnostic. I don't know, AND NEITHER DO YOU, MOTHER FUCKER!!!
:hashishim:
Actually, I just don't care.
But are you a militant apatheist?
"I don't care, just leave me alone, or I'll kill your ass"?
Quote from: Iason Ouabache on October 05, 2010, 09:52:06 PM
Quote from: Cain on October 05, 2010, 06:06:51 PM
Which is, of course, counterproductive, since it just gets people defensive.
The best thing you can do is to teach them how to think critically and rationally without specific mention of religion, but to try and get them to apply it in their everyday life. Sooner or later the principles of the former, which do work, will run up against the dogma of the latter, which does not and the former should win.
Very true, which is why I prefer the "skeptic" label to the "atheist" label. Atheist is negative (defined by what you are not), skeptic is positive (defined by what you are).
Yeah. I can understand what the New Atheists are saying, and even think they have several points on which they are correct...but for people who laud their own ability to work on evidence and fact instead of dogma, how fucking faith-based are they in believing being obnoxious twits online and off will cause radical Islam, the Vatican et al to come crashing to it's knees?
If that were true, the combined obnoxiousness of 4chan, ED and this site would've turned everyone into an atheist by 2006.
Quote from: Cain on October 06, 2010, 08:32:25 AM
But are you a militant apatheist?
"I don't care, just leave me alone, or I'll kill your ass"?
Well, I'll render you into bite sized pieces verbally, but pretty much.
Quote from: Iason Ouabache on October 06, 2010, 07:34:49 AM
Quote from: Hover Cat on October 06, 2010, 03:53:11 AM
Actually, I just don't care.
Apatheist. ;)
Correct. Made my life much simpler when I reached the conclusion I didn't care.
I read the subject and immediately got the image of a food drive where they give you food, then take your bible.
I wonder if there have been pro life food drives. They give you food, but they take your condoms.
Quote from: Doktor Blight on October 05, 2010, 06:04:06 PM
Quote from: Iason Ouabache on October 05, 2010, 08:39:56 AM
Quote from: Doktor Blight on October 05, 2010, 06:36:58 AM
It was a joke, since militant atheism is the soup du jour.
Blight,
needs to make better use of emotes
WTF is a militant atheist? Someone who bombs churches and shit? Haven't seen any of those around here.
Interchangeable with atheists within the New Atheism movement or whatever that's called. I've heard atheists describe themselves as militant, in the sense that religion is an enemy that must be eliminated. Not through armed conflict but by directly and repeatedly attacking it on an intellectual level (which usually manifests as being obnoxious trolls either online or in real life with a superiority complex)
I can't stand those guys. I prefer Christian whackjobbery because at least I can understand where the Christians are coming from. Militant Atheists, yeah, what's wrong with people believing something that isn't true if there is no meaning to life or higher power anyways? Aside from when believing something that isn't true makes them do bad things of course, but for most people religion motivates them to do good things more than it does bad things.
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on October 06, 2010, 11:06:55 PM
Quote from: Doktor Blight on October 05, 2010, 06:04:06 PM
Quote from: Iason Ouabache on October 05, 2010, 08:39:56 AM
Quote from: Doktor Blight on October 05, 2010, 06:36:58 AM
It was a joke, since militant atheism is the soup du jour.
Blight,
needs to make better use of emotes
WTF is a militant atheist? Someone who bombs churches and shit? Haven't seen any of those around here.
Interchangeable with atheists within the New Atheism movement or whatever that's called. I've heard atheists describe themselves as militant, in the sense that religion is an enemy that must be eliminated. Not through armed conflict but by directly and repeatedly attacking it on an intellectual level (which usually manifests as being obnoxious trolls either online or in real life with a superiority complex)
I can't stand those guys. I prefer Christian whackjobbery because at least I can understand where the Christians are coming from. Militant Atheists, yeah, what's wrong with people believing something that isn't true if there is no meaning to life or higher power anyways? Aside from when believing something that isn't true makes them do bad things of course, but for most people religion motivates them to do good things more than it does bad things.
It's the same mentality as "All Muslims blew shit up."
I imagine the majority of Christians (as well as other "religious" people) are just "Eh, there's a God, Jesus died for me and I go to heaven when I die. Can't be arsed to read all that or wake up early on Sunday. I'm too busy getting hammered and having premarital sex on Saturday night."
or the same mentality as "all discordists can't take anything serious."
I once went through a full day taking everything serious. True I was in bed with the flue, but it occurred.
I'm a little annoyed that they gave out books as part of the food drive. A reverse-book-drive to increase general literacy would be one thing, but I get the feeling that their "roundly criticized" books are going to mostly be stuff like Dawkins, Harris, etc.
GA,
Atheist who participated in several Catholic-sponsored food drives.
Quote from: Golden Applesauce on October 07, 2010, 12:03:07 AM
I'm a little annoyed that they gave out books as part of the food drive. A reverse-book-drive to increase general literacy would be one thing, but I get the feeling that their "roundly criticized" books are going to mostly be stuff like Dawkins, Harris, etc.
GA,
Atheist who participated in several Catholic-sponsored food drives.
Food drives are a great way to proselytize.
Quote from: Doktor Blight on October 07, 2010, 12:05:04 AM
Quote from: Golden Applesauce on October 07, 2010, 12:03:07 AM
I'm a little annoyed that they gave out books as part of the food drive. A reverse-book-drive to increase general literacy would be one thing, but I get the feeling that their "roundly criticized" books are going to mostly be stuff like Dawkins, Harris, etc.
GA,
Atheist who participated in several Catholic-sponsored food drives.
Food drives are a great way to proselytize.
We should do one.
What do we hand out?
A club and a bag of shit?
Quote from: Thurnez Isa on October 07, 2010, 12:18:52 AM
Quote from: Doktor Blight on October 07, 2010, 12:05:04 AM
Quote from: Golden Applesauce on October 07, 2010, 12:03:07 AM
I'm a little annoyed that they gave out books as part of the food drive. A reverse-book-drive to increase general literacy would be one thing, but I get the feeling that their "roundly criticized" books are going to mostly be stuff like Dawkins, Harris, etc.
GA,
Atheist who participated in several Catholic-sponsored food drives.
Food drives are a great way to proselytize.
We should do one.
What do we hand out?
A club and a bag of shit?
:?
What's teh club for?
We could ask Archie McPhee for stuff to give out in exchange for booksand non perishable food to give the homeless.
Quote from: Doktor Blight on October 07, 2010, 12:21:00 AM
Quote from: Thurnez Isa on October 07, 2010, 12:18:52 AM
Quote from: Doktor Blight on October 07, 2010, 12:05:04 AM
Quote from: Golden Applesauce on October 07, 2010, 12:03:07 AM
I'm a little annoyed that they gave out books as part of the food drive. A reverse-book-drive to increase general literacy would be one thing, but I get the feeling that their "roundly criticized" books are going to mostly be stuff like Dawkins, Harris, etc.
GA,
Atheist who participated in several Catholic-sponsored food drives.
Food drives are a great way to proselytize.
We should do one.
What do we hand out?
A club and a bag of shit?
:?
What's teh club for?
clubbing
people things
:?