I'm a hipster.
There, I said it. Every morning, I dress up in uncool, weirdly matched clothes, I go to work staring at bug dick, I eat uncool food, I listen to uncool music, and I read uncool books. I am the epitome of weird-uncool. Therefore: I am a hipster.
My solution is to take "hipster" back from those who mock the wannabe hipsters. Besides, I'm a hipster and I do it unironically. And no wannabe hipster wants to be called a hipster, because frankly they're just pretenders. They have to pull this ironic shit so they look like they MIGHT be a hipster but then reject it outright. In some pseudo ironic non-ironic irony. Or some shit.
Besides, I liked hurdy gurdy before it was cool. And still like it even after it is cool. And will continue to like it when it is uncool again. Isn't that, truly, the definition of hipster?
Quote from: Kai on October 07, 2010, 02:29:24 AM
I'm a hipster.
There, I said it. Every morning, I dress up in uncool, weirdly matched clothes, I go to work staring at bug dick, I eat uncool food, I listen to uncool music, and I read uncool books. I am the epitome of weird-uncool. Therefore: I am a hipster.
My solution is to take "hipster" back from those who mock the wannabe hipsters. Besides, I'm a hipster and I do it unironically. And no wannabe hipster wants to be called a hipster, because frankly they're just pretenders. They have to pull this ironic shit so they look like they MIGHT be a hipster but then reject it outright. In some pseudo ironic non-ironic irony. Or some shit.
Besides, I liked hurdy gurdy before it was cool. And still like it even after it is cool. And will continue to like it when it is uncool again. Isn't that, truly, the definition of hipster?
:mittens:
Not in my mind. Your manner seems to hearken back to an uncomplicated definition of 'cool'. Instead of sweating the depths of ironic/sincere recursivity, you're just doing a thing that feels right, and making it yours. That's where cool normally comes from. As Wikipedia says, "uncool redirects here". That's the point.
I know someone who truly believes "cool" is a function of popularity. They're one of my best friends despite this.
I have met people who think cool is authenticity, as your garden variety hipsters do. They fetishize it to an absurd degree. It's unreal.
I don't know what coolness is, but I have my doubts that it has a static value.
I never thought I'd see Kai pigeon-hole himself.
:(
Quote from: Sigmatic on October 07, 2010, 03:45:49 AM
Not in my mind. Your manner seems to hearken back to an uncomplicated definition of 'cool'. Instead of sweating the depths of ironic/sincere recursivity, you're just doing a thing that feels right, and making it yours. That's where cool normally comes from. As Wikipedia says, "uncool redirects here". That's the point.
I know someone who truly believes "cool" is a function of popularity. They're one of my best friends despite this.
I have met people who think cool is authenticity, as your garden variety hipsters do. They fetishize it to an absurd degree. It's unreal.
I don't know what coolness is, but I have my doubts that it has a static value.
This. Besides, I don't know how many hipsters or pseudohipsters inspect bug dick.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 07, 2010, 04:45:31 AM
I never thought I'd see Kai pigeon-hole himself.
:(
I'm not. I'm providing an alternative to the whole "we made hipsters" argument. Which is stupid.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 07, 2010, 04:45:31 AM
I never thought I'd see Kai pigeon-hole himself.
:(
I got where he was coming from. I always wore jeans, boots and western shirts or t shirts. I have been in and out of style 3 times. I think this is where he is going with this.
Quote from: Kai on October 07, 2010, 01:28:54 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 07, 2010, 04:45:31 AM
I never thought I'd see Kai pigeon-hole himself.
:(
I'm not. I'm providing an alternative to the whole "we made hipsters" argument. Which is stupid.
Okay, I'm just dense. :lulz:
Sorry about that.
Quote from: Henny Youngman on October 07, 2010, 02:25:45 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 07, 2010, 04:45:31 AM
I never thought I'd see Kai pigeon-hole himself.
:(
I got where he was coming from. I always wore jeans, boots and western shirts or t shirts. I have been in and out of style 3 times. I think this is where he is going with this.
What's a western shirt?
Quote from: Doktor Blight on October 07, 2010, 03:03:29 PM
Quote from: Henny Youngman on October 07, 2010, 02:25:45 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 07, 2010, 04:45:31 AM
I never thought I'd see Kai pigeon-hole himself.
:(
I got where he was coming from. I always wore jeans, boots and western shirts or t shirts. I have been in and out of style 3 times. I think this is where he is going with this.
What's a western shirt?
http://a60.g.akamai.net/f/60/7267/1d/sheplers.download.akamai.com/7267/i/p/086/086192/086192_28_v1_180x180.jpg
Quote from: Henny Youngman on October 07, 2010, 03:06:41 PM
Quote from: Doktor Blight on October 07, 2010, 03:03:29 PM
Quote from: Henny Youngman on October 07, 2010, 02:25:45 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 07, 2010, 04:45:31 AM
I never thought I'd see Kai pigeon-hole himself.
:(
I got where he was coming from. I always wore jeans, boots and western shirts or t shirts. I have been in and out of style 3 times. I think this is where he is going with this.
What's a western shirt?
http://a60.g.akamai.net/f/60/7267/1d/sheplers.download.akamai.com/7267/i/p/086/086192/086192_28_v1_180x180.jpg
Ah, should have known that. We don't see many of those out here. :)
If you start wearing one, you'll be on the cutting edge.
Quote from: Doktor Alphapance on October 07, 2010, 03:21:17 PM
If you start wearing one, you'll be on the cutting edge.
The Horrible Truth™
I think I have a black pearl-button number in my closet.
Guess what I'm wearing on Friday night.
Quote from: Doktor Alphapance on October 07, 2010, 03:23:22 PM
I think I have a black pearl-button number in my closet.
Guess what I'm wearing on Friday night.
You make me sad. :sad:
Quote from: Doktor Alphapance on October 07, 2010, 03:23:22 PM
I think I have a black pearl-button number in my closet.
Guess what I'm wearing on Friday night.
I love Black Pearl, hard to find.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 07, 2010, 03:23:51 PM
Quote from: Doktor Alphapance on October 07, 2010, 03:23:22 PM
I think I have a black pearl-button number in my closet.
Guess what I'm wearing on Friday night.
You make me sad. :sad:
IMA GONNA DRINK PBR AND HAVE BIG NEON SIGNS POINTING TO MY MOUSTACHE THAT SAY, "GLORIOUS IRONY" AND WEAR JEANS TWO SIZES TOO SMALL WHILE LISTENING TO A BUNCH OF TWINKS PLAY SABBATH COVERS ON TOY INSTRUMENTS.
Quote from: Doktor Alphapance on October 07, 2010, 03:26:28 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 07, 2010, 03:23:51 PM
Quote from: Doktor Alphapance on October 07, 2010, 03:23:22 PM
I think I have a black pearl-button number in my closet.
Guess what I'm wearing on Friday night.
You make me sad. :sad:
IMA GONNA DRINK PBR AND HAVE BIG NEON SIGNS POINTING TO MY MOUSTACHE THAT SAY, "GLORIOUS IRONY" AND WEAR JEANS TWO SIZES TOO SMALL WHILE LISTENING TO A BUNCH OF TWINKS PLAY SABBATH COVERS ON TOY INSTRUMENTS.
BUT DO YOU HAVE THE FAKE PBR BELT BUCKLE?
Quote from: Doktor Alphapance on October 07, 2010, 03:21:17 PM
If you start wearing one, you'll be on the cutting edge.
You know full well my style is a pair of jeans in horrible need of being replaced and a t shirt that I purchased in 1998.
Quote from: Henny Youngman on October 07, 2010, 03:27:56 PM
Quote from: Doktor Alphapance on October 07, 2010, 03:26:28 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 07, 2010, 03:23:51 PM
Quote from: Doktor Alphapance on October 07, 2010, 03:23:22 PM
I think I have a black pearl-button number in my closet.
Guess what I'm wearing on Friday night.
You make me sad. :sad:
IMA GONNA DRINK PBR AND HAVE BIG NEON SIGNS POINTING TO MY MOUSTACHE THAT SAY, "GLORIOUS IRONY" AND WEAR JEANS TWO SIZES TOO SMALL WHILE LISTENING TO A BUNCH OF TWINKS PLAY SABBATH COVERS ON TOY INSTRUMENTS.
BUT DO YOU HAVE THE FAKE PBR BELT BUCKLE?
NO, I HAVE ONE THAT'S SEVEN INCHES ACROSS AND READS, 'DON'T MESS WITH TEXAS'.
LMNO
-BOSTONIAN.
Nowadays when people ask me what i am wearing i always have to check and usually its half 'i can't remember how i got this' and half 'i got it from a friend' (usually because they were cleaning out their closet/got fed up seeing me in worn out clothes).
When i was an impressionable teen we were always talking about how looks and style dont really matter and stupid me, i actually believed that.
So i started working on not caring about how i look.
That worked.
Yay?
Considering what my sons were wearing this time last year, a nice fitting pair of Old Navy jeans and a western shirt is a pleasure to see on them.
Damn does that make them hipsters? Or just decently dressed?
Quote from: Kiaransalee on October 07, 2010, 05:12:30 PM
Considering what my sons were wearing this time last year, a nice fitting pair of Old Navy jeans and a western shirt is a pleasure to see on them.
Damn does that make them hipsters? Or just decently dressed?
Do they wear glasses without lenses?
Quote from: Doktor Blight on October 07, 2010, 05:13:42 PM
Quote from: Kiaransalee on October 07, 2010, 05:12:30 PM
Considering what my sons were wearing this time last year, a nice fitting pair of Old Navy jeans and a western shirt is a pleasure to see on them.
Damn does that make them hipsters? Or just decently dressed?
Do they wear glasses without lenses?
Ummm, no.
Quote from: Kiaransalee on October 07, 2010, 05:16:31 PM
Quote from: Doktor Blight on October 07, 2010, 05:13:42 PM
Quote from: Kiaransalee on October 07, 2010, 05:12:30 PM
Considering what my sons were wearing this time last year, a nice fitting pair of Old Navy jeans and a western shirt is a pleasure to see on them.
Damn does that make them hipsters? Or just decently dressed?
Do they wear glasses without lenses?
Ummm, no.
THey're probably ok then.
I'm going out this weekend, too.
I will be wearing blue jeans, a black t-shirt, and engineer boots.
Dok,
Can reasonably count on NEVER being in style.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 07, 2010, 05:38:34 PM
I'm going out this weekend, too.
I will be wearing blue jeans, a black t-shirt, and engineer boots.
Dok,
Can reasonably count on NEVER being in style.
Speaking as a female.... (since I am one) I prefer a man in a nice fitting pair of jeans, t-shirt and boots!!
Quote from: Kiaransalee on October 07, 2010, 05:43:19 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 07, 2010, 05:38:34 PM
I'm going out this weekend, too.
I will be wearing blue jeans, a black t-shirt, and engineer boots.
Dok,
Can reasonably count on NEVER being in style.
Speaking as a female.... (since I am one) I prefer a man in a nice fitting pair of jeans, t-shirt and boots!!
Sure. But I'm not talking about looking good, I'm talking about being in style.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 07, 2010, 05:55:55 PM
Quote from: Kiaransalee on October 07, 2010, 05:43:19 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 07, 2010, 05:38:34 PM
I'm going out this weekend, too.
I will be wearing blue jeans, a black t-shirt, and engineer boots.
Dok,
Can reasonably count on NEVER being in style.
Speaking as a female.... (since I am one) I prefer a man in a nice fitting pair of jeans, t-shirt and boots!!
Sure. But I'm not talking about looking good, I'm talking about being in style.
Dok, looking good is
always in style! :wink:
Quote from: Kiaransalee on October 07, 2010, 05:57:25 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 07, 2010, 05:55:55 PM
Quote from: Kiaransalee on October 07, 2010, 05:43:19 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 07, 2010, 05:38:34 PM
I'm going out this weekend, too.
I will be wearing blue jeans, a black t-shirt, and engineer boots.
Dok,
Can reasonably count on NEVER being in style.
Speaking as a female.... (since I am one) I prefer a man in a nice fitting pair of jeans, t-shirt and boots!!
Sure. But I'm not talking about looking good, I'm talking about being in style.
Dok, looking good is always in style! :wink:
Even if it looks good to dress up like a soldier in the Continental Army?
Quote from: Doktor Blight on October 07, 2010, 06:07:58 PM
Quote from: Kiaransalee on October 07, 2010, 05:57:25 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 07, 2010, 05:55:55 PM
Quote from: Kiaransalee on October 07, 2010, 05:43:19 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 07, 2010, 05:38:34 PM
I'm going out this weekend, too.
I will be wearing blue jeans, a black t-shirt, and engineer boots.
Dok,
Can reasonably count on NEVER being in style.
Speaking as a female.... (since I am one) I prefer a man in a nice fitting pair of jeans, t-shirt and boots!!
Sure. But I'm not talking about looking good, I'm talking about being in style.
Dok, looking good is always in style! :wink:
Even if it looks good to dress up like a soldier in the Continental Army?
ONLY IF YOUR EARS HANG LOW.
Looking good is not always in style.
Some cultures favor a sickly demeanor, and I am pretty sure there have been (ETA: Mainstream) cultures that fetishized obesity.
Quote from: Sigmatic on October 07, 2010, 06:09:54 PM
Looking good is not always in style.
Some cultures favor a sickly demeanor, and I am pretty sure there have been (ETA: Mainstream) cultures that fetishized obesity.
Yeah. America.
Only we do it backwards. Everyone's a fatass, but we are provided with sickly waifs that are so skinny you can count their organs through a parka, so that everyone feels properly inadequate.
Cosmopolitan Magazine, for example, is designed specifically to keep its readers miserable.
Heh. I know a guy who reads cosmo. He keeps them near the toilet.
I was thinking of Japan. They seem to have a feminine ideal of a female who is too feeble and ill to do anything. So I've heard.
Quote from: Sigmatic on October 07, 2010, 06:14:43 PM
Heh. I know a guy who reads cosmo. He keeps them near the toilet.
I was thinking of Japan. They seem to have a feminine ideal of a female who is too feeble and ill to do anything. So I've heard.
Immaturity too. I hear for some reason Japanese males favor childish behavior.
japan's still wrestling with gender role issues. Their gender norms are like ours were in the early 80s. Things are changing fast though because no families have time to instill their kids with "traditional values", everybody's working late tonight, dinner's in the fridge.
QuoteCosmopolitan Magazine, for example, is designed specifically to keep its readers miserable.
:mittens: true dat
Quote from: Doktor Blight on October 07, 2010, 06:15:46 PM
Quote from: Sigmatic on October 07, 2010, 06:14:43 PM
Heh. I know a guy who reads cosmo. He keeps them near the toilet.
I was thinking of Japan. They seem to have a feminine ideal of a female who is too feeble and ill to do anything. So I've heard.
Immaturity too. I hear for some reason Japanese males favor childish behavior.
The American South still clings to that, to some degree.
How come American culture exported to Japan seems to take twenty years?
Quote from: Cramulus on October 07, 2010, 06:17:15 PM
japan's still wrestling with gender role issues. Their gender norms are like ours were in the early 80s. Things are changing fast though because no families have time to instill their kids with "traditional values", everybody's working late tonight, dinner's in the fridge.
In 30 years, they can graduate to "Everyone's in the club car, nobody's driving the train", like we have.
Quote from: Cramulus on October 07, 2010, 06:17:15 PM
QuoteCosmopolitan Magazine, for example, is designed specifically to keep its readers miserable.
:mittens: true dat
Yep. Insanely emaciated models, and continous articles like "Is your man cheating on you? Take this quiz.", and "Your sex life sucks, here's why."
I giggle every time I pass the magazine rack at the grocery store.
Quote from: Sigmatic on October 07, 2010, 06:19:30 PM
How come American culture exported to Japan seems to take twenty years?
Stupidity takes training.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 07, 2010, 06:21:33 PM
Quote from: Sigmatic on October 07, 2010, 06:19:30 PM
How come American culture exported to Japan seems to take twenty years?
Stupidity takes training.
Except that Americans are usually the forefront of stupid, because we're a country of pioneers.
Quote from: Mistress Freeky, HRN on October 07, 2010, 06:25:19 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 07, 2010, 06:21:33 PM
Quote from: Sigmatic on October 07, 2010, 06:19:30 PM
How come American culture exported to Japan seems to take twenty years?
Stupidity takes training.
Except that Americans are usually the forefront of stupid, because we're a country of pioneers.
I don't know, I think the Japanese embraced hipsterism way before hipsters here did.
Yeah, but the Japanese took it to the motherfucking wall.
Just google "harajuku" and you'll see what I mean.
Quote from: Doktor Alphapance on October 07, 2010, 06:30:28 PM
Yeah, but the Japanese took it to the motherfucking wall.
Just google "harajuku" and you'll see what I mean.
I will not.
I've seen that shit.
Feels bad man.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 07, 2010, 06:31:18 PM
Quote from: Doktor Alphapance on October 07, 2010, 06:30:28 PM
Yeah, but the Japanese took it to the motherfucking wall.
Just google "harajuku" and you'll see what I mean.
I will not.
Click the link. It's
shiny! (http://www.harajukustyle.net/)
Quote from: Doktor Alphapance on October 07, 2010, 06:32:59 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 07, 2010, 06:31:18 PM
Quote from: Doktor Alphapance on October 07, 2010, 06:30:28 PM
Yeah, but the Japanese took it to the motherfucking wall.
Just google "harajuku" and you'll see what I mean.
I will not.
Click the link. It's shiny! (http://www.harajukustyle.net/)
You bastard. :crankey:
:ECH:
Quote from: Doktor Alphapance on October 07, 2010, 06:34:47 PM
:ECH:
The ONE TIME I relied on the nanny wall to protect me from compulsive clicking, and it LETS ME DOWN.
This computer requires discipline.
BRB.
:lulz:
I have a feeling that both of our websense firewalls are tweaked about the same. Which means that if I can see it, so can you.
MWAHAHAHAHA!
I approve.
People should dress in as many crazy outfits and styles as possible. At least its not Gap or Old Navy!!
Shiny whole body leotards with antennae or GTFO my future.
Damn straight, I've read enough cyberpunk to know that we won't get the future without loads of crazy subcultures ;-)
I'm just going to take a wild stab in the dark and guess that the fire chief was a dick to these guys about not paying the "fire department subscription fee".
I confess I probably wouldn't pay a fire department subscription fee either.
Quote from: Cramulus on October 07, 2010, 07:06:11 PM
I'm just going to take a wild stab in the dark and guess that the fire chief was a dick to these guys about not paying the "fire department subscription fee".
I confess I probably wouldn't pay a fire department subscription fee either.
Wrong thread, I think
Quote from: Doktor Blight on October 07, 2010, 07:07:54 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on October 07, 2010, 07:06:11 PM
I'm just going to take a wild stab in the dark and guess that the fire chief was a dick to these guys about not paying the "fire department subscription fee".
I confess I probably wouldn't pay a fire department subscription fee either.
Wrong thread, I think
:lulz:
:lulz: omg wtf is my problem today
Quote from: Doktor Alphapance on October 07, 2010, 06:39:34 PM
I have a feeling that both of our websense firewalls are tweaked about the same. Which means that if I can see it, so can you.
MWAHAHAHAHA!
Interesting. Very interesting.
Dok,
The wrong hands.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 07, 2010, 05:38:34 PM
I'm going out this weekend, too.
I will be wearing blue jeans, a black t-shirt, and engineer boots.
(http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/JohnnyBravo3.gif)
I am trying to imagine Johnny Bravo acting like Roger
and failing. :lulz:
DO THE MONKEY WITH ME! HYAH!
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 07, 2010, 06:34:13 PM
Quote from: Doktor Alphapance on October 07, 2010, 06:32:59 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 07, 2010, 06:31:18 PM
Quote from: Doktor Alphapance on October 07, 2010, 06:30:28 PM
Yeah, but the Japanese took it to the motherfucking wall.
Just google "harajuku" and you'll see what I mean.
I will not.
Click the link. It's shiny! (http://www.harajukustyle.net/)
You bastard. :crankey:
Dok, be happy it wasn't a link to "Ganguro Girls". They look fucking terrible.
Quote from: Triple Zero on October 07, 2010, 07:52:54 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 07, 2010, 05:38:34 PM
I'm going out this weekend, too.
I will be wearing blue jeans, a black t-shirt, and engineer boots.
(http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/JohnnyBravo3.gif)
woooooooooo
Quote from: Ratatosk on October 07, 2010, 06:40:54 PM
People should dress in as many crazy outfits and styles as possible. At least its not Gap or Old Navy!!
I can't afford the Gap.
What the fuck is wrong with Old Navy?
Obviously you are not trying to dress teenagers in something they don't mind being seen in for a price you can almost afford on a single mom's salary. Sorry if it's too gutter for ya!
just to interject a tangent:
my problem with gap/old navy/banana republic is their history unethical labor practices in third world countries. Their operations in the Honduras were only a smidgen different than slave labor. Only difference is that they made the slaves sign contracts.
/tangent
Quote from: Cramulus on October 08, 2010, 04:29:59 PM
just to interject a tangent:
my problem with gap/old navy/banana republic is their history unethical labor practices in third world countries. Their operations in the Honduras were only a smidgen different than slave labor. Only difference is that they made the slaves sign contracts.
/tangent
Just about every clothing manufacturer uses what is essentially slave labor. Some are worse than others (Nike, etc), but even Levis and Wranglers (American made until a few years ago) are made in sweatshops now.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 08, 2010, 04:56:47 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on October 08, 2010, 04:29:59 PM
just to interject a tangent:
my problem with gap/old navy/banana republic is their history unethical labor practices in third world countries. Their operations in the Honduras were only a smidgen different than slave labor. Only difference is that they made the slaves sign contracts.
/tangent
Just about every clothing manufacturer uses what is essentially slave labor. Some are worse than others (Nike, etc), but even Levis and Wranglers (American made until a few years ago) are made in sweatshops now.
Yeah, this. Last I checked Brooks Brothers is still American made, so if you want to buy a
$70* tie, you're totally in the clear.
*Ahaha, I just wrote this thinking I was exaggerating. I double checked, it's actually $75-$175.
I'd be willing to bet that $75 for a tie is only slightly marked up, and represents more closely what fair market value would be for a silk tie not made by a starving 9-year-old girl. Those things are actually really hard to make properly; I had a friend make my tie for our wedding out of the same material as Mrs LMNO's sash, and it took a few days to get it right.
Quote from: Doktor Alphapance on October 08, 2010, 06:36:55 PM
I'd be willing to bet that $75 for a tie is only slightly marked up, and represents more closely what fair market value would be for a silk tie not made by a starving 9-year-old girl. Those things are actually really hard to make properly; I had a friend make my tie for our wedding out of the same material as Mrs LMNO's sash, and it took a few days to get it right.
Oh, I'd be willing. I think Brooks Brothers has awesome clothes. It's a matter of, you know, being able to. I think a very small amount of people actually are.
Quote from: Kai on October 07, 2010, 02:29:24 AM
I'm a hipster.
There, I said it. Every morning, I dress up in uncool, weirdly matched clothes, I go to work staring at bug dick, I eat uncool food, I listen to uncool music, and I read uncool books. I am the epitome of weird-uncool. Therefore: I am a hipster.
My solution is to take "hipster" back from those who mock the wannabe hipsters. Besides, I'm a hipster and I do it unironically. And no wannabe hipster wants to be called a hipster, because frankly they're just pretenders. They have to pull this ironic shit so they look like they MIGHT be a hipster but then reject it outright. In some pseudo ironic non-ironic irony. Or some shit.
Besides, I liked hurdy gurdy before it was cool. And still like it even after it is cool. And will continue to like it when it is uncool again. Isn't that, truly, the definition of hipster?
LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE!
Quote from: Sigmatic on October 07, 2010, 03:45:49 AM
Not in my mind. Your manner seems to hearken back to an uncomplicated definition of 'cool'. Instead of sweating the depths of ironic/sincere recursivity, you're just doing a thing that feels right, and making it yours. That's where cool normally comes from. As Wikipedia says, "uncool redirects here". That's the point.
I know someone who truly believes "cool" is a function of popularity. They're one of my best friends despite this.
I have met people who think cool is authenticity, as your garden variety hipsters do. They fetishize it to an absurd degree. It's unreal.
I don't know what coolness is, but I have my doubts that it has a static value.
I think that the dialogue of defining "cool" and defining "authentic" is a core part of wannabeism.
Quote from: Cramulus on October 07, 2010, 07:06:11 PM
I'm just going to take a wild stab in the dark and guess that the fire chief was a dick to these guys about not paying the "fire department subscription fee".
I confess I probably wouldn't pay a fire department subscription fee either.
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on October 08, 2010, 08:03:22 PM
Quote from: Sigmatic on October 07, 2010, 03:45:49 AM
Not in my mind. Your manner seems to hearken back to an uncomplicated definition of 'cool'. Instead of sweating the depths of ironic/sincere recursivity, you're just doing a thing that feels right, and making it yours. That's where cool normally comes from. As Wikipedia says, "uncool redirects here". That's the point.
I know someone who truly believes "cool" is a function of popularity. They're one of my best friends despite this.
I have met people who think cool is authenticity, as your garden variety hipsters do. They fetishize it to an absurd degree. It's unreal.
I don't know what coolness is, but I have my doubts that it has a static value.
I think that the dialogue of defining "cool" and defining "authentic" is a core part of wannabeism cannibalism.
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on October 08, 2010, 08:03:22 PM
Quote from: Sigmatic on October 07, 2010, 03:45:49 AM
Not in my mind. Your manner seems to hearken back to an uncomplicated definition of 'cool'. Instead of sweating the depths of ironic/sincere recursivity, you're just doing a thing that feels right, and making it yours. That's where cool normally comes from. As Wikipedia says, "uncool redirects here". That's the point.
I know someone who truly believes "cool" is a function of popularity. They're one of my best friends despite this.
I have met people who think cool is authenticity, as your garden variety hipsters do. They fetishize it to an absurd degree. It's unreal.
I don't know what coolness is, but I have my doubts that it has a static value.
I think that the dialogue of defining "cool" and defining "authentic" is a core part of wannabeism.
Wait.
Just talking about it makes you a wannabe?
I like style. Style is not necessarily dependent on the current fads, I will wear what I think is stylish, and I will tell whoever feels that it isn't cool to fuck off.
Quote from: Cramulus on October 08, 2010, 04:29:59 PM
just to interject a tangent:
my problem with gap/old navy/banana republic is their history unethical labor practices in third world countries. Their operations in the Honduras were only a smidgen different than slave labor. Only difference is that they made the slaves sign contracts.
/tangent
^ This. I need to sit down and do some research on the places I shop at, because I'm not ok with that.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 08, 2010, 04:56:47 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on October 08, 2010, 04:29:59 PM
just to interject a tangent:
my problem with gap/old navy/banana republic is their history unethical labor practices in third world countries. Their operations in the Honduras were only a smidgen different than slave labor. Only difference is that they made the slaves sign contracts.
/tangent
Just about every clothing manufacturer uses what is essentially slave labor. Some are worse than others (Nike, etc), but even Levis and Wranglers (American made until a few years ago) are made in sweatshops now.
This is one of two prime reasons many "hipsters" only buy used/vintage clothes... the other being that they're too poor to buy new, fashionable clothes.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 08, 2010, 09:46:11 PM
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on October 08, 2010, 08:03:22 PM
Quote from: Sigmatic on October 07, 2010, 03:45:49 AM
Not in my mind. Your manner seems to hearken back to an uncomplicated definition of 'cool'. Instead of sweating the depths of ironic/sincere recursivity, you're just doing a thing that feels right, and making it yours. That's where cool normally comes from. As Wikipedia says, "uncool redirects here". That's the point.
I know someone who truly believes "cool" is a function of popularity. They're one of my best friends despite this.
I have met people who think cool is authenticity, as your garden variety hipsters do. They fetishize it to an absurd degree. It's unreal.
I don't know what coolness is, but I have my doubts that it has a static value.
I think that the dialogue of defining "cool" and defining "authentic" is a core part of wannabeism.
Wait.
Just talking about it makes you a wannabe?
It depends on the kind of talking. If what you're doing is laying out all of the reasons why you/your friends are "cool" and "authentic" vs. the reasons other people (who you look down on) are NOT "cool" and "authentic", then yeah, you're wanting to be, i.e. a wannabe.
ie. a hipster.
Think about it. Who sits around formulating opinions about what's "cool" and "authentic", besides people who think they are, and wish to be perceived as, cool and/or authentic? It's just another version of strutting and pissing. The modern, hip version of strutting and pissing.
Here's a question for you: What person with a healthy sense of self respect /doesn't/ want to be respected as cool and authentic, whatever that might mean for that person and their particular subculture?
As much as people would like to say that they don't care what others think, I believe the desire for acceptance and approval from your peer group is perfectly normal. It's how you act out based on that that's important.
Quote from: Nast on October 09, 2010, 02:27:29 AM
As much as people would like to say that they don't care what others think, I believe the desire for acceptance and approval from your peer group is perfectly normal. It's how you act out based on that that's important.
I have dressed and acted the same way my entire life without regard. What do you have to say to that?
Quote from: Charley Brown on October 09, 2010, 03:35:10 AM
Quote from: Nast on October 09, 2010, 02:27:29 AM
As much as people would like to say that they don't care what others think, I believe the desire for acceptance and approval from your peer group is perfectly normal. It's how you act out based on that that's important.
I have dressed and acted the same way my entire life without regard. What do you have to say to that?
Well that's cool too.
Quote from: Nast on October 09, 2010, 03:37:24 AM
Quote from: Charley Brown on October 09, 2010, 03:35:10 AM
Quote from: Nast on October 09, 2010, 02:27:29 AM
As much as people would like to say that they don't care what others think, I believe the desire for acceptance and approval from your peer group is perfectly normal. It's how you act out based on that that's important.
I have dressed and acted the same way my entire life without regard. What do you have to say to that?
Well that's cool too.
Not really. I have been mocked and imitated depending on what was in style. And I still don't give a fuck.
Quote from: Charley Brown on October 09, 2010, 03:39:29 AM
Quote from: Nast on October 09, 2010, 03:37:24 AM
Quote from: Charley Brown on October 09, 2010, 03:35:10 AM
Quote from: Nast on October 09, 2010, 02:27:29 AM
As much as people would like to say that they don't care what others think, I believe the desire for acceptance and approval from your peer group is perfectly normal. It's how you act out based on that that's important.
I have dressed and acted the same way my entire life without regard. What do you have to say to that?
Well that's cool too.
Not really. I have been mocked and imitated depending on what was in style. And I still don't give a fuck.
DAMNIT. YOU ARE COOL. ACCEPT THAT. :argh!:
Quote from: Sir Coyote on October 09, 2010, 03:48:14 AM
Quote from: Charley Brown on October 09, 2010, 03:39:29 AM
Quote from: Nast on October 09, 2010, 03:37:24 AM
Quote from: Charley Brown on October 09, 2010, 03:35:10 AM
Quote from: Nast on October 09, 2010, 02:27:29 AM
As much as people would like to say that they don't care what others think, I believe the desire for acceptance and approval from your peer group is perfectly normal. It's how you act out based on that that's important.
I have dressed and acted the same way my entire life without regard. What do you have to say to that?
Well that's cool too.
Not really. I have been mocked and imitated depending on what was in style. And I still don't give a fuck.
DAMNIT. YOU ARE COOL. ACCEPT THAT. :argh!:
Only if you accept that I don't give a fuck.
Quote from: Charley Brown on October 09, 2010, 03:49:22 AM
Quote from: Sir Coyote on October 09, 2010, 03:48:14 AM
Quote from: Charley Brown on October 09, 2010, 03:39:29 AM
Quote from: Nast on October 09, 2010, 03:37:24 AM
Quote from: Charley Brown on October 09, 2010, 03:35:10 AM
Quote from: Nast on October 09, 2010, 02:27:29 AM
As much as people would like to say that they don't care what others think, I believe the desire for acceptance and approval from your peer group is perfectly normal. It's how you act out based on that that's important.
I have dressed and acted the same way my entire life without regard. What do you have to say to that?
Well that's cool too.
Not really. I have been mocked and imitated depending on what was in style. And I still don't give a fuck.
DAMNIT. YOU ARE COOL. ACCEPT THAT. :argh!:
Only if you accept that I don't give a fuck.
But of course my good man.
Quote from: Sir Coyote on October 09, 2010, 04:01:46 AM
Quote from: Charley Brown on October 09, 2010, 03:49:22 AM
Quote from: Sir Coyote on October 09, 2010, 03:48:14 AM
Quote from: Charley Brown on October 09, 2010, 03:39:29 AM
Quote from: Nast on October 09, 2010, 03:37:24 AM
Quote from: Charley Brown on October 09, 2010, 03:35:10 AM
Quote from: Nast on October 09, 2010, 02:27:29 AM
As much as people would like to say that they don't care what others think, I believe the desire for acceptance and approval from your peer group is perfectly normal. It's how you act out based on that that's important.
I have dressed and acted the same way my entire life without regard. What do you have to say to that?
Well that's cool too.
Not really. I have been mocked and imitated depending on what was in style. And I still don't give a fuck.
DAMNIT. YOU ARE COOL. ACCEPT THAT. :argh!:
Only if you accept that I don't give a fuck.
But of course my good man.
I bought a Brooks and Dunn designer western shirt, and then I cut the sleeves out of it.
Hawk,
has his own agenda.
Quote from: Kai on October 08, 2010, 10:50:43 PM
Here's a question for you: What person with a healthy sense of self respect /doesn't/ want to be respected as cool and authentic, whatever that might mean for that person and their particular subculture?
I suspect virtually no one, which is why, as a member of the urban progressive (relative) youth culture, I am not about to deny being a hipster. I think you get it.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 07, 2010, 05:38:34 PM
I'm going out this weekend, too.
I will be wearing blue jeans, a black t-shirt, and engineer boots.
Dok,
Can reasonably count on NEVER being in style.
Sounds like understated punk, if I had to pigeonhole you. That has been in style before, and probably will be again.
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on October 10, 2010, 10:37:42 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 07, 2010, 05:38:34 PM
I'm going out this weekend, too.
I will be wearing blue jeans, a black t-shirt, and engineer boots.
Dok,
Can reasonably count on NEVER being in style.
Sounds like understated punk, if I had to pigeonhole you. That has been in style before, and probably will be again.
More like "Joe Blue Collar, 1978-2010.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 11, 2010, 02:58:49 AM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on October 10, 2010, 10:37:42 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 07, 2010, 05:38:34 PM
I'm going out this weekend, too.
I will be wearing blue jeans, a black t-shirt, and engineer boots.
Dok,
Can reasonably count on NEVER being in style.
Sounds like understated punk, if I had to pigeonhole you. That has been in style before, and probably will be again.
More like "Joe Blue Collar, 1978-2010.
Yep, punks and skinheads tend to draw their fashion from blue collar standards. (well,the punks also do crazy shit, but the basic outfit usually starts as blue collar)
I am cool and authentic, and you aren't.
Because I said so.
There. I hope that settles the issue.
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on October 11, 2010, 03:54:35 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 11, 2010, 02:58:49 AM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on October 10, 2010, 10:37:42 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 07, 2010, 05:38:34 PM
I'm going out this weekend, too.
I will be wearing blue jeans, a black t-shirt, and engineer boots.
Dok,
Can reasonably count on NEVER being in style.
Sounds like understated punk, if I had to pigeonhole you. That has been in style before, and probably will be again.
More like "Joe Blue Collar, 1978-2010.
Yep, punks and skinheads tend to draw their fashion from blue collar standards. (well,the punks also do crazy shit, but the basic outfit usually starts as blue collar)
So all blue collar people are punkers? :?
No, but most punkers are middle-class trust fund rejects who want to appear to be "working class heroes".
LMNO
-middle class trust fund reject.
Quote from: Doktor Alphapance on October 11, 2010, 04:19:07 PM
No, but most punkers are middle-class trust fund rejects who want to appear to be "working class heroes".
LMNO
-middle class trust fund reject.
But I don't have a cranium piercing.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 11, 2010, 04:19:43 PM
Quote from: Doktor Alphapance on October 11, 2010, 04:19:07 PM
No, but most punkers are middle-class trust fund rejects who want to appear to be "working class heroes".
LMNO
-middle class trust fund reject.
But I don't have a cranium piercing.
I have a drill motor with a diamond bit.......
Quote from: Charley Brown on October 11, 2010, 04:58:31 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 11, 2010, 04:19:43 PM
Quote from: Doktor Alphapance on October 11, 2010, 04:19:07 PM
No, but most punkers are middle-class trust fund rejects who want to appear to be "working class heroes".
LMNO
-middle class trust fund reject.
But I don't have a cranium piercing.
I have a drill motor with a diamond bit.......
I have 300 ton hydraulic press and a ball point pen.
Quote from: Horrendous Foreign Liam Stoat on October 10, 2010, 12:21:17 PM
I don't like "hipsters" now I found out what they are.
Why? Simple.
Nothing to do with their fashion, passion, musical choice, or anything like that.
I hate them because they are the cool people I'm never likely to be.
I've never been cool, probably never will be, but hey, that won't stop me hating on those who are where I want to be, i.e the cutting edge of cool.
That's why I hate "insert current cool people here". Small, petty, stupid, pointless? Yes. But that's who I am, and I'm cool with that.
So, when the next fashion craze kicks off, let me be the first to offer my hate to the new cool people and my sarcastic condolences to the old used to be cool people, who are now in my shoes of not being cool.
Circle of life and all that.
:mittens: for recognition.
I watched the BBS documentary movie last night in a whole room full of oldschool BBS geeks. There, on that screen, were our people, and we were not cool. But we love each other, so that's OK. I was OK with being a geek then, I am OK with being a hipster now, and I will be equally OK with being a weird old lady in a few years.
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on October 11, 2010, 05:05:47 PM
Quote from: Horrendous Foreign Liam Stoat on October 10, 2010, 12:21:17 PM
I don't like "hipsters" now I found out what they are.
Why? Simple.
Nothing to do with their fashion, passion, musical choice, or anything like that.
I hate them because they are the cool people I'm never likely to be.
I've never been cool, probably never will be, but hey, that won't stop me hating on those who are where I want to be, i.e the cutting edge of cool.
That's why I hate "insert current cool people here". Small, petty, stupid, pointless? Yes. But that's who I am, and I'm cool with that.
So, when the next fashion craze kicks off, let me be the first to offer my hate to the new cool people and my sarcastic condolences to the old used to be cool people, who are now in my shoes of not being cool.
Circle of life and all that.
:mittens: for recognition.
I watched the BBS documentary movie last night in a whole room full of oldschool BBS geeks. There, on that screen, were our people, and we were not cool. But we love each other, so that's OK. I was OK with being a geek then, I am OK with being a hipster now, and I will be equally OK with being a weird old lady in a few years.
RAH!
Quote from: Doktor Alphapance on October 11, 2010, 04:19:07 PM
No, but most punkers are middle-class trust fund rejects who want to appear to be "working class heroes".
LMNO
-middle class trust fund reject.
:lulz:
I'm pretty sure that having a trust fund disqualifies you from being middle-class.
Quote from: First City Hustle on October 11, 2010, 05:51:36 PM
Quote from: Doktor Alphapance on October 11, 2010, 04:19:07 PM
No, but most punkers are middle-class trust fund rejects who want to appear to be "working class heroes".
LMNO
-middle class trust fund reject.
:lulz:
I'm pretty sure that having a trust fund disqualifies you from being middle-class.
Yes, but one of the things I've learned from living in the same city with Reed College is that rich kids refuse to acknowledge that they grew up rich, and insist on calling it "middle class".
To be fair, there's usually someone who's family has a lot more money than your own.
My folks didn't have Oprah money, that's for sure. But hey, if you want to call me upper class, fine with me. I don't regret it.
Quote from: Doktor Alphapance on October 11, 2010, 06:35:23 PM
To be fair, there's usually someone who's family has a lot more money than your own.
My folks didn't have Oprah money, that's for sure. But hey, if you want to call me upper class, fine with me. I don't regret it.
There is ALWAYS someone whose family has more money, unless you're a Hilton or a Trump.
The main reason it rubs me the wrong way when my upper-class friends claim to have been raised middle-class is because they aren't properly appreciating the privilege they were born with. You shouldn't regret it, deny it, or downplay it, in my opinion; you should acknowledge it and be grateful for what happenstance got you born into. I've finally berated one friend (currently in law school, paid for by Daddy, of course) into acknowledging that growing up in a five-bedroom Colonial in Irvington with lawyer parents is NOT the typical middle-class experience. Upper-middle-class, maybe... but living in a $400,000 house when the median home prices were $35,000 kind of bumps you out of the "middle" part of "middle class". Oh, and then hanging out with him and his mom once, they started talking about HER upbringing and it all became clear; she was raised in a $2 million dollar estate in Alameda, CA.
:lulz:
Fair enough, peasant.
LMNO
-A man of privilege.
Hey I WAS raised middle class. :argh!: Ergo I am MOAR authentic and cool. :lulz: WHY WON'T THE COOL KIDS HANG OUT WITH ME :cry:
I want to say we were middle class, and my mom was raised in low upper middle class, but I'm pretty sure that WE were po' broke.
I admit to having carried a class-based chip on my shoulders for most of my life. It's taking some time for me to get used to having recently jumped from "working class" to "lower-middle class". Hopefully I can get my head around it by november so I can do the proper thing and vote Republican.
I feel like I need to buy a monacle now.
I was raised is a Classic Home, that is, it was built before several of the Classics were written.
Founded a year after the Civil War, it had railroad ties as the foundation, originally four rooms. The bathroom had been a porch until the previous owners decided to go for indoor plumbing, the kitchen had been an outbuilding until the previous owners added a room on and I finally got my own bedroom after my dad built in the front proch.
The old outhouse outside was definitely high class as it was a three seater, with the third hole being rather small so kids wouldn't fall in. It was also high tech, it had a long low door in the back to facilitate shoveling it out occasionally.
Much higher class than my Mom's side of the family as they still use the outhouse.
:lulz:
A SOLUTION:
(http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/3255/hipstercard.jpg)
I'm not entirely sure what a hipster is, exactly, but I'm pretty sure I'm not one. My existence is both too vanilla and too exotic at the same time to be one, I fear. Not that I'd aspire to be anything but myself, which is an odd mixture of who you think I am and who you don't know. If that makes any damned sense...what's nice is that I'm truly a what-you-see-is-what-you-get (which you can ask Liam up there about, as he's met me).
As for the great "class" debate--my parents grew up shit-poor, my mom from the midwest-by-way-of-South, and my dad had artsy but shit-poor working class folks (true Catholics with 9 kids in a 3 bed, 1 bath house in Orange County back when the place got its name from the orange groves surrounding it) in So Cal, by way of the midwest.
My dad being who he is became entrepreurial, got some cash (for which he's now doing time), and we lived high on the hog as only the nouveau riche could once I was out of high school (we were lower-to-middle class back then, always gaining and losing the shirts off our backs, it's kinda hilarious, really). I was the first to graduate with a higher degree in my family. But my dad paid for it. With embezzled funds.
So now my parents are poorer than they've ever been (ever been in hock to the government for $144 mil? yeah, me neither). And I married a rich Afghan who grew up in the 14th century with servants.
And he's a doctor, so we're pretty much lower upper to higher middle class. But we drive 10+ year old cars...and only just the past couple of years started doing things like going on vacation, because he almost died one year so we figure you live once--who needs a trust fund, anyway?