"I am not a racist. I have Muslim and black friends. :lulz: There is a big difference between racism and protesting against Islamic extremism.
"I joined the EDL because it made no sense that people defending Englishness were labelled as troublemakers."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-11505724
Quote from: Pēleus on October 10, 2010, 12:11:53 AM
"I am not a racist. I have Muslim and black friends. :lulz: There is a big difference between racism and protesting against Islamic extremism.
"I joined the EDL because it made no sense that people defending Englishness were labelled as troublemakers."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-11505724
THAT ARTICLE
is too vague to comment on. the article does not specify which side of the 'position' which those arrested were on. the only statements of aggression come from the "anti-fascists"
Gangs were seen throwing stones and bricks at two coaches carrying EDL supporters as they left the city.
Makes me want to go and throw half-bricks at them. I'm English, and how dare these sacks of shit presume to be defending me! OFFENDING me is what they are doing. So in protest, I'm off to join the Taliban!
(If anyone from MI5 is monitoring these posts, That was a joke)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPQE3GfkrOo
Quote from: Aleister Growly on October 10, 2010, 01:03:52 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPQE3GfkrOo
Yep, that's us to a "T". We're just a fucking comic opera . . .
Look, just because the EDL were covertly founded by members of the BNP, a direct offshoot of the British neofascist movement of the 1970s which never repudiated it's past, and the EDL take part in rallies where they wave swastikas and wear sig runes on their arms doesn't necessarily mean they are a racist organization.
Quote from: Cain on October 10, 2010, 09:31:51 AM
Look, just because the EDL were covertly founded by members of the BNP, a direct offshoot of the British neofascist movement of the 1970s which never repudiated it's past, and the EDL take part in rallies where they wave swastikas and wear sig runes on their arms doesn't necessarily mean they are a racist organization.
Swastikas don't seem very British. Don't they have some sort of local symbol they could use?
There used to be the Flash and Circle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_and_Circle), back in the day, and the Celtic Cross is popular in some circles still, but for the most part it's either a Union Jack or a Swastika.
And yes, the irony is not lost on most people, watching guys with Swastikas chanting "go back to India".
I just cant work up a good hateshitting when confronted with racists, i keep getting interupted by their mindboggling stupidities that my fist automatically relaxes for a facepalm.
Quote from: MMIX on October 10, 2010, 02:14:05 AM
Quote from: Aleister Growly on October 10, 2010, 01:03:52 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPQE3GfkrOo
Yep, that's us to a "T". We're just a fucking comic opera . . .
If it makes you feel any better, you're a
good comic opera.
Quote from: Cain on October 10, 2010, 10:44:30 AM
There used to be the Flash and Circle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_and_Circle), back in the day, and the Celtic Cross is popular in some circles still, but for the most part it's either a Union Jack or a Swastika.
And yes, the irony is not lost on most people, watching guys with Swastikas chanting "go back to India".
:lulz:
SO
i'm well aware who all of these organizations are. my point was, it's impossible to say who the 'trouble makers' are from the article (meaning, those arrested for their conduct) if the british press is anything like the agenda laden u.s. press, those offenses are not specified because they're on the "anti-fascist" side.
IMO
more than 99% of the individuals on either side of this argument are complete morons.
THE COMMENTS
by everyone thus far are purely opinionated. i like the idea that here in the states, we have freedom to disagree/ express/ voice viewpoints.
AS A
guy who has worked in the gay circles for (ughh, decades now), and appear 'on the streets' to be a leather-clad skinhead, if you're not hip to gay movements since, uh, at least the late seventies, i get harrassed often - BY 'ANTI-FASCISTS'. the 'anti's' here in portland are literal gangbangers, i've been aggressively confronted by these guys over and over, having to school them as to who they're fucking with, repeatedly. i've got a hundred stories about these assholes, if you want to hear them, down to being threatened through the mail (my families house!!) for attending a speaking event that they in their ignorance don't want others to have the right to attend. yes, i went to the police with this.
Quote from: Regret on October 10, 2010, 03:30:24 PM
I just cant work up a good hateshitting when confronted with racists, i keep getting interupted by their mindboggling stupidities that my fist automatically relaxes for a facepalm.
Pretend to be agreeing with them at first and then say basically the opposite of what they said but in a friendly tone of voice then watch the backpedaling begin.
ALSO
the swastika AND runes are very british. the third reich didn't invent them.
Quote from: E.O.T. on October 10, 2010, 04:59:27 PM
SO
i'm well aware who all of these organizations are. my point was, it's impossible to say who the 'trouble makers' are from the article (meaning, those arrested for their conduct) if the british press is anything like the agenda laden u.s. press, those offenses are not specified because they're on the "anti-fascist" side.
This is Britain. We're all troublemakers. The EDL, The Antis, the Police, the Press, the BNP, the AFL, the Weekend Casuals, MI5/6, the lot of us!
Shit, if it looks like there's
not going to be trouble ahead, you can rely on us to go and cause some. At home, abroad, makes no difference. We virtually
invented trouble.
Quote from: E.O.T. on October 10, 2010, 05:05:17 PM
ALSO
the swastika AND runes are very british. the third reich didn't invent them.
Swastikas are Indian in origin.
The runes make more sense.
The Teletubbies make more sense!
AB draws some celtic since that tat is a three leaf clover with 666 but they also identify with christian trinty.
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on October 10, 2010, 08:18:12 PM
Quote from: E.O.T. on October 10, 2010, 05:05:17 PM
ALSO
the swastika AND runes are very british. the third reich didn't invent them.
Swastikas are Indian in origin.
The runes make more sense.
YOU ARE RIGHT
that the swastika is also shared by India. as well as every other culture. it's the universal sunwheel. at the time the third reich adopted it, the swastika was so prominent even here in the states(not just by native americans) that it was equivalent to the happy face. what's criminal about the third reich association is that a large part of humanity has had an ancient, inner symbol taken away from them. a lot of the earliest presence of the swastika in england comes from the romans, and, the swastika itself exists as a rune variation of the 'gebo' rune.
OBVIOUSLY
the bnp and related groups are not
necessarily harkening back to the culture/ history of england which they more often present on the surface.
Quote from: BadBeast on October 10, 2010, 08:23:50 PM
The Teletubbies make more sense!
THIS
goes without saying.
TELETUBBIES
as universally loved & hated as the swastika. before and after WWII association.
Quote from: E.O.T. on October 10, 2010, 09:00:43 PM
Quote from: BadBeast on October 10, 2010, 08:23:50 PM
The Teletubbies make more sense!
THIS
goes without saying.
TELETUBBIES
as universally loved & hated as the swastika. before and after WWII association.
And with a far more sinister agenda.
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on October 10, 2010, 08:18:12 PM
Quote from: E.O.T. on October 10, 2010, 05:05:17 PM
ALSO
the swastika AND runes are very british. the third reich didn't invent them.
Swastikas are Indian in origin.
The runes make more sense.
Swastikas originated in many cultures in many regions quite independently of each other. They are very nearly a universal motif, found in native cultures on every continent. Saying they were Indian in origin is true, but that does not contradict that they were also British in origin, Norse in origin, American in origin... etc.
hmmm interesting info on the swastika,
thanks.
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on October 11, 2010, 07:19:36 PM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on October 10, 2010, 08:18:12 PM
Quote from: E.O.T. on October 10, 2010, 05:05:17 PM
ALSO
the swastika AND runes are very british. the third reich didn't invent them.
Swastikas are Indian in origin.
The runes make more sense.
Swastikas originated in many cultures in many regions quite independently of each other. They are very nearly a universal motif, found in native cultures on every continent. Saying they were Indian in origin is true, but that does not contradict that they were also British in origin, Norse in origin, American in origin... etc.
ZOOOM goes Nigel's Swasticycle!
Isn't it more traditionaly found in India going counter clockwise
and is a symbol for luck?
Quote from: Pēleus on October 12, 2010, 09:20:29 AM
Isn't it more traditionaly found in India going counter clockwise
and is a symbol for luck?
HAVE YOU BEEN
been drinking one of those teas with the little quotes on the tag?