Reason America failed: Too much Freedom.
In particular, freedom to be dumb. Being dumb and uninformed is motivated. Dumb people, just as fat people, culture their pride. Everyone thinks that being dumb, not listening to reason and acting upon it is a virtue.
In short - you could have spared yourself 200 years to find outcome of this experiment if you just went to a Kindergarten, let the teacher go away for few hours and record what happens.
Madness, everyone having fun at first, then fights for the toys, then some people usurping the best toys and places, then after a while everyone getting bored, and then a few more hours of crying since there is no one to feed them or guide them to toilet. This is the the ideal of Freedom that USA is.
FASCISM.
FUCK YEAH
Take 2 cyanide capsules and call me in a decade.
Were heading down the road to Fascism anyways.
Might as well take a short cut.
Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on October 17, 2010, 06:45:48 PM
Reason America failed: Too much Freedom.
Do you really believe that?
Freedom is like a party. The only people who are getting your attention are the super drunk ones making a mess of everything, whereas there are plenty of people having a good time, working up a good buzz and not destroying the place.
Quote from: Doktor Blight on October 17, 2010, 08:01:54 PM
Freedom is like a party. The only people who are getting your attention are the super drunk ones making a mess of everything, whereas there are plenty of people having a good time, working up a good buzz and not destroying the place.
In this case, the drunkards are closer to a majority.
cross-posted from the thread about Welsh people:
Quote from: First City Hustle on October 17, 2010, 03:26:43 PM
to elaborate further, you know how most polls show that a majority of Americans are actually reasonably progressive-thinking people who don't support scummy racist xenophobic policies, but then when we have elections, the rabid scumbags turn out in droves and the mostly progressive-thinking people can't be bothered to go vote, so we end up with politicians who really aren't representative of who we are as a nation? If those mostly progressive-thinking people took as much pride in being reasonable and informed and politically active as the teabaggers and their forerunners take in being rabidly ignorant, you might not have the dilemma of not wanting to take pride in your country. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy.
It's not about being a rabid nationalist, it's about saying "hey, assholes, this is MY country too and I'm not going to give up on it and disconnect myself thereby allowing you loudmouthed backwards assclowns to dominate the agenda to the further detriment of everyone."
in short, the drunkards ARE a minority, they're just being really fucking loud.
And it's one of those parties where you can't just kick them out. Thats the difficult part.
no, but you sure can kick them!
Quote from: Sigmatic on October 17, 2010, 07:20:54 PM
Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on October 17, 2010, 06:45:48 PM
Reason America failed: Too much Freedom.
Do you really believe that?
I do.
Don't get me wrong, I'm all about freedom, mostly because it's bad for primates.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 17, 2010, 10:55:20 PM
Quote from: Sigmatic on October 17, 2010, 07:20:54 PM
Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on October 17, 2010, 06:45:48 PM
Reason America failed: Too much Freedom.
Do you really believe that?
I do.
Don't get me wrong, I'm all about freedom, mostly because it's bad for primates.
This. Freedom is a doomed concept, sooner or later people vote against it. I intent to get every last drop out of it before the end though.
And how does Fascism solve this then? By extolling the right of the biggest kids on the block to steal the toys and beat up anyone who disagrees or looks different from them, while telling idiotic lies about, well, everything?
Yes, surely that will solve the problem of idiocy, just like you can put out forest fires by adding oil.
Quote from: First City Hustle on October 17, 2010, 10:26:33 PM
cross-posted from the thread about Welsh people:
Quote from: First City Hustle on October 17, 2010, 03:26:43 PM
to elaborate further, you know how most polls show that a majority of Americans are actually reasonably progressive-thinking people who don't support scummy racist xenophobic policies, but then when we have elections, the rabid scumbags turn out in droves and the mostly progressive-thinking people can't be bothered to go vote, so we end up with politicians who really aren't representative of who we are as a nation? If those mostly progressive-thinking people took as much pride in being reasonable and informed and politically active as the teabaggers and their forerunners take in being rabidly ignorant, you might not have the dilemma of not wanting to take pride in your country. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy.
It's not about being a rabid nationalist, it's about saying "hey, assholes, this is MY country too and I'm not going to give up on it and disconnect myself thereby allowing you loudmouthed backwards assclowns to dominate the agenda to the further detriment of everyone."
in short, the drunkards ARE a minority, they're just being really fucking loud.
:mittens:
Quote from: Cain on October 19, 2010, 01:30:35 PM
And how does Fascism solve this then? By extolling the right of the biggest kids on the block to steal the toys and beat up anyone who disagrees or looks different from them, while telling idiotic lies about, well, everything?
Youve got it all wrong. Our benevolent leaders would never abuse their power. If they were the kind of people that would go mad with power we would never give them power in the first place. Our glorious leaders have no reasons to lie to you, they are on your side. You can trust them completely.
Why don't you just fuck off? Forever.
Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on October 19, 2010, 10:57:54 PM
Quote from: Cain on October 19, 2010, 01:30:35 PM
And how does Fascism solve this then? By extolling the right of the biggest kids on the block to steal the toys and beat up anyone who disagrees or looks different from them, while telling idiotic lies about, well, everything?
Youve got it all wrong. Our benevolent leaders would never abuse their power. If they were the kind of people that would go mad with power we would never give them power in the first place. Our glorious leaders have no reasons to lie to you, they are on your side. You can trust them completely.
Ah, I get it. You're just messing around.
Quote from: Doktor Blight on October 20, 2010, 09:08:30 AM
Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on October 19, 2010, 10:57:54 PM
Quote from: Cain on October 19, 2010, 01:30:35 PM
And how does Fascism solve this then? By extolling the right of the biggest kids on the block to steal the toys and beat up anyone who disagrees or looks different from them, while telling idiotic lies about, well, everything?
Youve got it all wrong. Our benevolent leaders would never abuse their power. If they were the kind of people that would go mad with power we would never give them power in the first place. Our glorious leaders have no reasons to lie to you, they are on your side. You can trust them completely.
Ah, I get it. You're just messing around.
I think his point is he has no point, he just wants to rant about something and not actually think.
Although I did find it amusing, him trying to tell me to be more cynical. As I'm sure did everyone else here who knows anything about my background.
Quote from: Cain on October 20, 2010, 03:27:15 PM
Quote from: Doktor Blight on October 20, 2010, 09:08:30 AM
Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on October 19, 2010, 10:57:54 PM
Quote from: Cain on October 19, 2010, 01:30:35 PM
And how does Fascism solve this then? By extolling the right of the biggest kids on the block to steal the toys and beat up anyone who disagrees or looks different from them, while telling idiotic lies about, well, everything?
Youve got it all wrong. Our benevolent leaders would never abuse their power. If they were the kind of people that would go mad with power we would never give them power in the first place. Our glorious leaders have no reasons to lie to you, they are on your side. You can trust them completely.
Ah, I get it. You're just messing around.
I think his point is he has no point, he just wants to rant about something and not actually think.
Although I did find it amusing, him trying to tell me to be more cynical. As I'm sure did everyone else here who knows anything about my background.
I don't know what to make of him. Sometimes he seems like a solid dude and other times it seems like he's talking out of his ass or spreading about general nonsense. Hence, I imagine, Charley's telling him to fuck off.
Quote from: Cain on October 20, 2010, 03:27:15 PM
Quote from: Doktor Blight on October 20, 2010, 09:08:30 AM
Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on October 19, 2010, 10:57:54 PM
Quote from: Cain on October 19, 2010, 01:30:35 PM
And how does Fascism solve this then? By extolling the right of the biggest kids on the block to steal the toys and beat up anyone who disagrees or looks different from them, while telling idiotic lies about, well, everything?
Youve got it all wrong. Our benevolent leaders would never abuse their power. If they were the kind of people that would go mad with power we would never give them power in the first place. Our glorious leaders have no reasons to lie to you, they are on your side. You can trust them completely.
Ah, I get it. You're just messing around.
I think his point is he has no point, he just wants to rant about something and not actually think.
Although I did find it amusing, him trying to tell me to be more cynical. As I'm sure did everyone else here who knows anything about my background.
Perhaps you should give him a taste? :lulz:
Quote from: Cain on October 20, 2010, 03:27:15 PM
Quote from: Doktor Blight on October 20, 2010, 09:08:30 AM
Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on October 19, 2010, 10:57:54 PM
Quote from: Cain on October 19, 2010, 01:30:35 PM
And how does Fascism solve this then? By extolling the right of the biggest kids on the block to steal the toys and beat up anyone who disagrees or looks different from them, while telling idiotic lies about, well, everything?
Youve got it all wrong. Our benevolent leaders would never abuse their power. If they were the kind of people that would go mad with power we would never give them power in the first place. Our glorious leaders have no reasons to lie to you, they are on your side. You can trust them completely.
Ah, I get it. You're just messing around.
I think his point is he has no point, he just wants to rant about something and not actually think.
Although I did find it amusing, him trying to tell me to be more cynical. As I'm sure did everyone else here who knows anything about my background.
You cynical? I always felt you to be a sunny ray of sparkling optimism.