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Title: DARE: Keeps kids turning in their parents.
Post by: Suu on October 19, 2010, 04:07:11 PM
http://www.aolnews.com/nation/article/police-north-carolina-fifth-grader-takes-pot-to-school-turns-in-parents/19678196?icid=main|main|dl1|sec4_lnk2|178639&a_dgi=aolshare_facebook

Quotehttp://(Oct. 18) -- An elementary school student in North Carolina took lessons he learned from a drug awareness program to heart last week by turning in his own parents for breaking the law, police say.

The fifth-grader, who attends an elementary school in Matthews, N.C., recently took part in a DARE (Drug Abuse Resistance Education) program at his school. The program, which was started in California in 1983, is intended to give children valuable skills for resisting the allure of drugs, gangs and violence.

The Matthews community has its own DARE officer who spreads the organization's message to three of the area's elementary schools, WBTV reported.

Upon attending the DARE presentation, the 11-year-old student, who is not being identified, brought an undisclosed amount of marijuana cigarettes to school. The boy allegedly told a school safety officer that the drugs belonged to his parents.

On Thursday, officers with the Matthews Police Department arrested the child's 40-year-old father and 38-year-old mother and charged them both with misdemeanor counts of marijuana possession and possession of drug paraphernalia.

The child's parents were cited but not jailed, pending their next court appearance. Social services, however, has removed the 11-year-old and a sibling from the family home and placed them with relatives, police say.

The Matthews Police Department did not return calls for comment from AOL News today. On Sunday, Matthews police Officer Stason Tyrrell spoke briefly with WBTV.

"Even if it's happening in their own home with their own parents, they understand that's a dangerous situation because of what we're teaching them," Tyrrell said.

WBTV also spoke with the child's father, who told them he does not give drugs to his children. When asked how his child got the drugs, the father reportedly said it was "no one's business."

Nice job, brat. Enjoy your foster care.

Edit: Quote Fail.
Title: Re: DARE: Keeps kids turning in their parents.
Post by: Cramulus on October 19, 2010, 04:10:10 PM
(http://www.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/tdomf/168508/zanypickle_09241023.jpg)
Title: Re: DARE: Keeps kids turning in their parents.
Post by: Adios on October 19, 2010, 04:16:33 PM
Can't you just fucking SMELL the FUTURE?

I love stories about state indoctrination in the morning.
Title: Re: DARE: Keeps kids turning in their parents.
Post by: Suu on October 19, 2010, 04:22:16 PM
I had DARE.

I knew my parents smoked pot.

I wasn't that fucking stupid.
Title: Re: DARE: Keeps kids turning in their parents.
Post by: Doktor Howl on October 19, 2010, 04:22:40 PM
DARE to keep your children off of propaganda!
Title: Re: DARE: Keeps kids turning in their parents.
Post by: Doktor Howl on October 19, 2010, 04:23:07 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on October 19, 2010, 04:10:10 PM
(http://www.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/tdomf/168508/zanypickle_09241023.jpg)

You seriously missed your calling.
Title: Re: DARE: Keeps kids turning in their parents.
Post by: Cramulus on October 19, 2010, 04:23:53 PM
oh I didn't make that one -- found it on MyConfinedSpace  :p
Title: Re: DARE: Keeps kids turning in their parents.
Post by: Doktor Howl on October 19, 2010, 04:28:48 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on October 19, 2010, 04:23:53 PM
oh I didn't make that one -- found it on MyConfinedSpace  :p

Oh. 

But you could have.  That's just the way you think.  All BAD and WRONG and HORRIBLE and DARK.

You could have a bright future writing childrens' books or ads.
Title: Re: DARE: Keeps kids turning in their parents.
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on October 19, 2010, 05:07:36 PM
 :lulz:

I am certainly glad those kids were removed from that dangerous environment. Next thing you know they could be doing all kinds of terrible stuff like listening to Pink Floyd. Much better to get them into foster care.
Title: Re: DARE: Keeps kids turning in their parents.
Post by: Doktor Howl on October 19, 2010, 05:15:33 PM
(http://i476.photobucket.com/albums/rr126/TGRR/quence-dfw1.jpg)
Title: Re: DARE: Keeps kids turning in their parents.
Post by: Cramulus on October 19, 2010, 05:25:52 PM
HAY - QUIT WOMPING MY HEAD ONTO YOUR VACATION PHOTOS
Title: Re: DARE: Keeps kids turning in their parents.
Post by: Doktor Howl on October 19, 2010, 05:36:05 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on October 19, 2010, 05:25:52 PM
HAY - QUIT WOMPING MY HEAD ONTO YOUR VACATION PHOTOS

THE FIRST RULE ABOUT WOMP IS THAT WE DON'T TALK ABOUT WOMP.
Title: Re: DARE: Keeps kids turning in their parents.
Post by: Sir Fronkensteen, The Hawk on October 19, 2010, 05:37:51 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 19, 2010, 05:15:33 PM
(http://i476.photobucket.com/albums/rr126/TGRR/quence-dfw1.jpg)

Awh, Cram looks ADORABLE! :lulz:
Title: Re: DARE: Keeps kids turning in their parents.
Post by: Freeky on October 19, 2010, 05:43:37 PM
Very 1984. :horrormirth:
Title: Re: DARE: Keeps kids turning in their parents.
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 19, 2010, 05:46:39 PM
(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:dNbPrju7tTc09M:http://www.newspeakdictionary.com/1984-movie-bb2_a.jpg&t=1)

Seriously, anyone who hasn't read 1984 or other dystopian classics yet, should.
Title: Re: DARE: Keeps kids turning in their parents.
Post by: AFK on October 19, 2010, 06:09:28 PM
There are really two different issues here, from my perspective. 

One is the DARE program itself.  And I do have to tell you that DARE really isn't the darling of the substance abuse prevention community anymore.  There are schools who still use DARE, but more and more, schools are turning to organizations like mine to provide programming that is evidence based and researched.  There have been studies that show DARE has some considerable issues.  And actually, I think DARE finally got the hint and from what I understand they are redeveloping their curriculum.

The other issue is this particular set of parents.  My hunch is there is more to this story than has been reported.  I'm personally aware of situations where DHHS knows parents are doing marijuana on a regular basis and they don't remove the kids.  (Not saying they should so let's not open that can of worms)  I suspect there are other things that caused social services to remove the kids and place them with other family.  I could be wrong, but it's just a hunch. 
Title: Re: DARE: Keeps kids turning in their parents.
Post by: Cain on October 19, 2010, 06:12:21 PM
I wondered about that second point myself, RWHN.  I mean, I don't know how social services there work, but I presume there would be a level of discretion over such things.

Still, pretty fucked up story.
Title: Re: DARE: Keeps kids turning in their parents.
Post by: Dysfunctional Cunt on October 19, 2010, 06:23:46 PM
I think it depends on where you are as to how Social Services views parental marajuana use. 

When we lived in Florida, I had tons of issues with DCF (Department of Children & Families) after their father's bullshit.  His brother tried to take the kids from me and when he couldn't do it through the proper legal channels he, my mother-in-law and my sister-in-law all started calling DCF regularly.  After 3 drug tests in one month, I refused to take another one.  They went to my kid's school and took my kids to the DCF office and basically held them hostage until I took the damn drug test.  I was told I would not get them back until I took the test and it was negative.  Well I got them back that day even thought the results weren't in for a few days.  Over the course of that year I took on average 3 tests a month.

I have never once doubted if I had tested positive at any time I would have lost the kids until I completed rehab and parenting classes.
Title: Re: DARE: Keeps kids turning in their parents.
Post by: Adios on October 19, 2010, 06:25:17 PM
Quote from: Kiaransalee on October 19, 2010, 06:23:46 PM
I think it depends on where you are as to how Social Services views parental marajuana use. 

When we lived in Florida, I had tons of issues with DCF (Department of Children & Families) after their father's bullshit.  His brother tried to take the kids from me and when he couldn't do it through the proper legal channels he, my mother-in-law and my sister-in-law all started calling DCF regularly.  After 3 drug tests in one month, I refused to take another one.  They went to my kid's school and took my kids to the DCF office and basically held them hostage until I took the damn drug test.  I was told I would not get them back until I took the test and it was negative.  Well I got them back that day even thought the results weren't in for a few days.  Over the course of that year I took on average 3 tests a month.

I have never once doubted if I had tested positive at any time I would have lost the kids until I completed rehab and parenting classes.

You need a course on bomb making.
Title: Re: DARE: Keeps kids turning in their parents.
Post by: AFK on October 19, 2010, 06:27:14 PM
The really bad part about DARE is that it is run by police, specifically because of a scenario like this.  I've run tons of classes where kids tell me about how much pot their parents smoke.  With me, they have that confidentiality.  I have no power or authority to turn anyone in.  Unless, the kids is saying they are being sexually, emotionally, or physically abused, then I am required by law to report it.  Otherwise, it's like Vegas.  What happens in the drug class, stays in the drug class.  
Title: Re: DARE: Keeps kids turning in their parents.
Post by: Triple Zero on October 19, 2010, 06:39:47 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on October 19, 2010, 06:09:28 PMMy hunch is there is more to this story than has been reported.  I'm personally aware of situations where DHHS knows parents are doing marijuana on a regular basis and they don't remove the kids.  (Not saying they should so let's not open that can of worms)  I suspect there are other things that caused social services to remove the kids and place them with other family.  I could be wrong, but it's just a hunch.

Isn't that a state-by-state thing in the USA? Like how you're more fucked if you are Hispanic and live in TX or AZ as opposed to (say) NY?

If that's how it works in Maine, then that's awesome. But how does it work in North Carolina?

(maybe I'm all wrong about this and it's a national thing, though)


Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 19, 2010, 04:23:07 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on October 19, 2010, 04:10:10 PM(http://www.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/tdomf/168508/zanypickle_09241023.jpg)
You seriously missed your calling.

Well, to be fair he is already working for an education publishing agency ... :)
Title: Re: DARE: Keeps kids turning in their parents.
Post by: Freeky on October 19, 2010, 06:42:51 PM
What is wrong with DARE that most schools don't use it, RWHN?
Title: Re: DARE: Keeps kids turning in their parents.
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 19, 2010, 06:55:41 PM
Quote from: Mistress Freeky, HRN on October 19, 2010, 06:42:51 PM
What is wrong with DARE that most schools don't use it, RWHN?

I  think it's that it's made out of evil and pure totalitarian suck.
Title: Re: DARE: Keeps kids turning in their parents.
Post by: AFK on October 19, 2010, 06:57:33 PM
Quote from: Triple Zero on October 19, 2010, 06:39:47 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on October 19, 2010, 06:09:28 PMMy hunch is there is more to this story than has been reported.  I'm personally aware of situations where DHHS knows parents are doing marijuana on a regular basis and they don't remove the kids.  (Not saying they should so let's not open that can of worms)  I suspect there are other things that caused social services to remove the kids and place them with other family.  I could be wrong, but it's just a hunch.

Isn't that a state-by-state thing in the USA? Like how you're more fucked if you are Hispanic and live in TX or AZ as opposed to (say) NY?

If that's how it works in Maine, then that's awesome. But how does it work in North Carolina?

(maybe I'm all wrong about this and it's a national thing, though)

Certainly, it could be very different in North Carolina.  Maybe they're a little quicker on the trigger for that sort of thing.  But I still suspect there is more to the story. 
Title: Re: DARE: Keeps kids turning in their parents.
Post by: AFK on October 19, 2010, 07:02:09 PM
Quote from: Mistress Freeky, HRN on October 19, 2010, 06:42:51 PM
What is wrong with DARE that most schools don't use it, RWHN?

There have been studies that show that DARE is completely ineffective when it comes to preventing substance abuse.  Indeed, there have been studies that have shown that kids exposed to DARE are more prone to experimenting with substances.  This is because the program ends up exposing kids to information they were unaware of.  A kid doesn't know anything about pots and joints.  He goes through DARE, maybe they actually pass a joint around to see what it looks like.  Now he's curious. 

The other reason schools are turning away from it is that the scant few resources out there for substance abuse prevention mandate that your programming is evidence-based.  Backed by research and proven to have measurable and positive outcomes.  DARE isn't evidence based.  So if a school wants DARE they have to pay for it with their own money and can't pay for it with state or federal grant money. 

While we're on the topic of things that don't work, you can add mock car-crashes and beer goggles.  They're great to create a spectacle and get your local news media to show up, but they are piss poor (I'm being charitable) when it comes to actually making a difference. 
Title: Re: DARE: Keeps kids turning in their parents.
Post by: Freeky on October 19, 2010, 07:07:34 PM
Oh yeah, I remember having had a joint  passed around in DARE (back when dirt was still kinda new), and I also remember beer goggles and the drunken driving simulators in the driving class offered at my school. :lulz:

Good times.
Title: Re: DARE: Keeps kids turning in their parents.
Post by: East Coast Hustle on October 19, 2010, 07:14:46 PM
We had a week of DARE class when I was in High School. It was during the period right after my lunch period.

One day they brought a breathalyzer to class and had everyone blow into it so we could all see how it worked.

I failed the breathalyzer.
Title: Re: DARE: Keeps kids turning in their parents.
Post by: Freeky on October 19, 2010, 07:15:48 PM
Quote from: First City Hustle on October 19, 2010, 07:14:46 PM
We had a week of DARE class when I was in High School. It was during the period right after my lunch period.

One day they brought a breathalyzer to class and had everyone blow into it so we could all see how it worked.

I failed the breathalyzer.

ECH a winner ITT.
Title: Re: DARE: Keeps kids turning in their parents.
Post by: Adios on October 19, 2010, 07:33:06 PM
Quote from: First City Hustle on October 19, 2010, 07:14:46 PM
We had a week of DARE class when I was in High School. It was during the period right after my lunch period.

One day they brought a breathalyzer to class and had everyone blow into it so we could all see how it worked.

I failed the breathalyzer.

:lulz:

Only you.
Title: Re: DARE: Keeps kids turning in their parents.
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 19, 2010, 08:17:37 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on October 19, 2010, 07:02:09 PM
Quote from: Mistress Freeky, HRN on October 19, 2010, 06:42:51 PM
What is wrong with DARE that most schools don't use it, RWHN?

There have been studies that show that DARE is completely ineffective when it comes to preventing substance abuse.  Indeed, there have been studies that have shown that kids exposed to DARE are more prone to experimenting with substances.  This is because the program ends up exposing kids to information they were unaware of.  A kid doesn't know anything about pots and joints.  He goes through DARE, maybe they actually pass a joint around to see what it looks like.  Now he's curious. 

The other reason schools are turning away from it is that the scant few resources out there for substance abuse prevention mandate that your programming is evidence-based.  Backed by research and proven to have measurable and positive outcomes.  DARE isn't evidence based.  So if a school wants DARE they have to pay for it with their own money and can't pay for it with state or federal grant money. 

While we're on the topic of things that don't work, you can add mock car-crashes and beer goggles.  They're great to create a spectacle and get your local news media to show up, but they are piss poor (I'm being charitable) when it comes to actually making a difference. 

DARE pretty much only succeeds in making kids think that adults are stupid, and liars.
Title: Re: DARE: Keeps kids turning in their parents.
Post by: Doktor Howl on October 19, 2010, 08:18:47 PM
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on October 19, 2010, 08:17:37 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on October 19, 2010, 07:02:09 PM
Quote from: Mistress Freeky, HRN on October 19, 2010, 06:42:51 PM
What is wrong with DARE that most schools don't use it, RWHN?

There have been studies that show that DARE is completely ineffective when it comes to preventing substance abuse.  Indeed, there have been studies that have shown that kids exposed to DARE are more prone to experimenting with substances.  This is because the program ends up exposing kids to information they were unaware of.  A kid doesn't know anything about pots and joints.  He goes through DARE, maybe they actually pass a joint around to see what it looks like.  Now he's curious. 

The other reason schools are turning away from it is that the scant few resources out there for substance abuse prevention mandate that your programming is evidence-based.  Backed by research and proven to have measurable and positive outcomes.  DARE isn't evidence based.  So if a school wants DARE they have to pay for it with their own money and can't pay for it with state or federal grant money. 

While we're on the topic of things that don't work, you can add mock car-crashes and beer goggles.  They're great to create a spectacle and get your local news media to show up, but they are piss poor (I'm being charitable) when it comes to actually making a difference. 

DARE pretty much only succeeds in making kids think that adults are stupid, and liars.

I have to agree with this.  They're essentially the same as Liars for Jesus.
Title: Re: DARE: Keeps kids turning in their parents.
Post by: Cramulus on October 19, 2010, 08:24:49 PM
TOTALLY had that effect on me

it also had the effect of making me very skeptical about anti-drug data.

They were essentially telling us that marijuana and heroin are the same thing. And when I learned that they are not, it made me curious about what else I was missing out.
Title: Re: DARE: Keeps kids turning in their parents.
Post by: Dysnomia on October 19, 2010, 08:33:52 PM
I had DARE in elementry school, became a little drug/alcohol nazi for a while, and I turned out just fine...with my pretty pink pipe and good friend who deals.   :lulz:
Title: Re: DARE: Keeps kids turning in their parents.
Post by: Adios on October 19, 2010, 08:36:12 PM
I never had DARE, but they did show a movie where pot made your face slide off and your babies come out sideways. After the movie we all smoked a joint.
Title: Re: DARE: Keeps kids turning in their parents.
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on October 19, 2010, 09:44:34 PM
Quote from: Charley Brown on October 19, 2010, 08:36:12 PM
I never had DARE, but they did show a movie where pot made your face slide off and your babies come out sideways. After the movie we all smoked a joint.

:lulz:

But seriously, they had movies back then?!

:p
Title: Re: DARE: Keeps kids turning in their parents.
Post by: Adios on October 19, 2010, 09:45:18 PM
Quote from: Ratatosk on October 19, 2010, 09:44:34 PM
Quote from: Charley Brown on October 19, 2010, 08:36:12 PM
I never had DARE, but they did show a movie where pot made your face slide off and your babies come out sideways. After the movie we all smoked a joint.

:lulz:

But seriously, they had movies back then?!

:p

:argh!:

Silent ones.  :lulz:
Title: Re: DARE: Keeps kids turning in their parents.
Post by: Doktor Howl on October 19, 2010, 09:50:47 PM
Quote from: Charley Brown on October 19, 2010, 08:36:12 PM
I never had DARE, but they did show a movie where pot made your face slide off and your babies come out sideways.

:lulz:
Title: Re: DARE: Keeps kids turning in their parents.
Post by: the last yatto on October 19, 2010, 10:44:52 PM
Hustles story reminds me of my friends, when they passed the joints around... one came up missing. So the officer is like I'm going to pass these back out and if its not there, I'm searching everyone. They ended up getting one extra back
Title: Re: DARE: Keeps kids turning in their parents.
Post by: Disco Pickle on October 19, 2010, 10:50:52 PM
Quote from: Pēleus on October 19, 2010, 10:44:52 PM
Hustles story reminds me of my friends, when they passed the joints around... one came up missing. So the officer is like I'm going to pass these back out and if its not there, I'm searching everyone. They ended up getting one extra back

:lulz:

better safe than sorry, but I bet that guy was PISSED.
Title: Re: DARE: Keeps kids turning in their parents.
Post by: Prince Glittersnatch III on October 19, 2010, 10:52:40 PM
Did anyone remember something called G.R.E.A.T. back in the day?

Also I remember becoming suspicious with D.A.R.E. when I noticed that different instructors would give completely different "side-effects" of marijuana.
Title: Re: DARE: Keeps kids turning in their parents.
Post by: Cain on October 19, 2010, 11:23:21 PM
Our first "drugs talk" was in a science class video, so it was pretty right on.  Our second one was by a teacher who was a former cop, and aside from giving it the old "I saw a kid who took LSD, thought he could fly, jumped out of a window, how tragic" was pretty on the facts.

So I guess I got lucky.
Title: Re: DARE: Keeps kids turning in their parents.
Post by: Juana on October 19, 2010, 11:58:27 PM
I vaguely remember DARE. I don't remember much of what they said, but I do remember they brought a red Lamborghini our police department confiscated from a drug dealer.

Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on October 19, 2010, 07:02:09 PM
Quote from: Mistress Freeky, HRN on October 19, 2010, 06:42:51 PM
What is wrong with DARE that most schools don't use it, RWHN?

There have been studies that show that DARE is completely ineffective when it comes to preventing substance abuse.  Indeed, there have been studies that have shown that kids exposed to DARE are more prone to experimenting with substances.  This is because the program ends up exposing kids to information they were unaware of.  A kid doesn't know anything about pots and joints.  He goes through DARE, maybe they actually pass a joint around to see what it looks like.  Now he's curious. 

The other reason schools are turning away from it is that the scant few resources out there for substance abuse prevention mandate that your programming is evidence-based.  Backed by research and proven to have measurable and positive outcomes.  DARE isn't evidence based.  So if a school wants DARE they have to pay for it with their own money and can't pay for it with state or federal grant money. 

While we're on the topic of things that don't work, you can add mock car-crashes and beer goggles.  They're great to create a spectacle and get your local news media to show up, but they are piss poor (I'm being charitable) when it comes to actually making a difference. 
We had the Every Thirty Seconds or whatever the fuck they called it in high school - the mock car crash thing, complete with "dead" school mates, cops, helicopters, a grim reaper wandering around, and a massive interruption of the school ay. It was extremely silly and did absolutely nothing. As I recall, as many people as possible ditched out, leaving about a third of the combine junior/senior class who actually went. I sort of circled the edge with my camera (http://dorkanese.deviantart.com/art/Death-of-a-53123775?q=1&qo=1).
Title: Re: DARE: Keeps kids turning in their parents.
Post by: eighteen buddha strike on October 20, 2010, 08:16:46 AM
Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on October 19, 2010, 10:52:40 PM
Did anyone remember something called G.R.E.A.T. back in the day?

Also I remember becoming suspicious with D.A.R.E. when I noticed that different instructors would give completely different "side-effects" of marijuana.

HAHA, Gang. Resistance. Education. And. Training...

I went to something like seven different elementary schools and three jr. highs, being a military brat/product of divorce, so I've been through the wringer with that sort of shit... I had to do at least three different DARE programs, not to mention as many "health" classes as schools I attended (including one my freshman year of high school. (I FUCKING ALREADY KNOW WHERE BABIES AND AIDS COME FROM< I GET IT ALREADY.) Only one of those schools had G.R.E.A.T, and it also happened to be one of the most suburban schools I ever attended.
Title: Re: DARE: Keeps kids turning in their parents.
Post by: Dysnomia on October 20, 2010, 04:55:02 PM
Quote from: Cain on October 19, 2010, 11:23:21 PM
Our first "drugs talk" was in a science class video, so it was pretty right on.  Our second one was by a teacher who was a former cop, and aside from giving it the old "I saw a kid who took LSD, thought he could fly, jumped out of a window, how tragic" was pretty on the facts.

So I guess I got lucky.

the key to solving this issue is to make sure you are always on the ground floor while dropping LSD.  That way, not too far to fall.   :lulz:
Title: Re: DARE: Keeps kids turning in their parents.
Post by: Prince Glittersnatch III on October 20, 2010, 05:45:35 PM
Quote from: eighteen buddha strike on October 20, 2010, 08:16:46 AM
Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on October 19, 2010, 10:52:40 PM
Did anyone remember something called G.R.E.A.T. back in the day?

Also I remember becoming suspicious with D.A.R.E. when I noticed that different instructors would give completely different "side-effects" of marijuana.

HAHA, Gang. Resistance. Education. And. Training...

I went to something like seven different elementary schools and three jr. highs, being a military brat/product of divorce, so I've been through the wringer with that sort of shit... I had to do at least three different DARE programs, not to mention as many "health" classes as schools I attended (including one my freshman year of high school. (I FUCKING ALREADY KNOW WHERE BABIES AND AIDS COME FROM< I GET IT ALREADY.) Only one of those schools had G.R.E.A.T, and it also happened to be one of the most suburban schools I ever attended.

I know what you mean. I moved from Pheonix the a small town upper Michigan. It blew my mind that this little backwoods place would have Gang education when their biggest problem was drunk driving.
Title: Re: DARE: Keeps kids turning in their parents.
Post by: Cain on October 20, 2010, 05:49:20 PM
Quote from: BLARFINGARF on October 20, 2010, 04:55:02 PM
Quote from: Cain on October 19, 2010, 11:23:21 PM
Our first "drugs talk" was in a science class video, so it was pretty right on.  Our second one was by a teacher who was a former cop, and aside from giving it the old "I saw a kid who took LSD, thought he could fly, jumped out of a window, how tragic" was pretty on the facts.

So I guess I got lucky.

the key to solving this issue is to make sure you are always on the ground floor while dropping LSD.  That way, not too far to fall.   :lulz:

Or, as Bill Hicks pointed out, if he thought he could fly, why not try flying around by jumping off the ground first and check it out.  This kid was a moron, he's now dead and that's good.
Title: Re: DARE: Keeps kids turning in their parents.
Post by: Doktor Howl on October 20, 2010, 05:50:21 PM
Quote from: Cain on October 20, 2010, 05:49:20 PM
Quote from: BLARFINGARF on October 20, 2010, 04:55:02 PM
Quote from: Cain on October 19, 2010, 11:23:21 PM
Our first "drugs talk" was in a science class video, so it was pretty right on.  Our second one was by a teacher who was a former cop, and aside from giving it the old "I saw a kid who took LSD, thought he could fly, jumped out of a window, how tragic" was pretty on the facts.

So I guess I got lucky.

the key to solving this issue is to make sure you are always on the ground floor while dropping LSD.  That way, not too far to fall.   :lulz:

Or, as Bill Hicks pointed out, if he thought he could fly, why not try flying around by jumping off the ground first and check it out.  This kid was a moron, he's now dead and that's good.

On the other hand, I heard the exact same story in 8th grade.

Which leads me to believe that urban legend is being presented as fact.
Title: Re: DARE: Keeps kids turning in their parents.
Post by: Cain on October 20, 2010, 05:53:54 PM
Yeah, I've heard the same story recycled so many times I'm sure they're either talking about Frank Olson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Olson) or it's bullshit.
Title: Re: DARE: Keeps kids turning in their parents.
Post by: Adios on October 20, 2010, 05:55:35 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 20, 2010, 05:50:21 PM
Quote from: Cain on October 20, 2010, 05:49:20 PM
Quote from: BLARFINGARF on October 20, 2010, 04:55:02 PM
Quote from: Cain on October 19, 2010, 11:23:21 PM
Our first "drugs talk" was in a science class video, so it was pretty right on.  Our second one was by a teacher who was a former cop, and aside from giving it the old "I saw a kid who took LSD, thought he could fly, jumped out of a window, how tragic" was pretty on the facts.

So I guess I got lucky.

the key to solving this issue is to make sure you are always on the ground floor while dropping LSD.  That way, not too far to fall.   :lulz:

Or, as Bill Hicks pointed out, if he thought he could fly, why not try flying around by jumping off the ground first and check it out.  This kid was a moron, he's now dead and that's good.

On the other hand, I heard the exact same story in 8th grade.

Which leads me to believe that urban legend is being presented as fact.

Who the hell has the energy to fly when tripping their balls off? I never did.
Title: Re: DARE: Keeps kids turning in their parents.
Post by: Cramulus on October 20, 2010, 05:55:51 PM
I can't actually view this at work due to firewall, but there's a good chance it answers the urban legend question

http://www.snopes.com/horrors/drugs/linkletter.asp
Title: Re: DARE: Keeps kids turning in their parents.
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on October 20, 2010, 06:18:44 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on October 20, 2010, 05:55:51 PM
I can't actually view this at work due to firewall, but there's a good chance it answers the urban legend question

http://www.snopes.com/horrors/drugs/linkletter.asp

QuoteDiane was autopsied and the results of toxicological tests became known. Nothing unusual turned up in the screening, thus ruling out her having taken drugs that night.

Lots of good info, but that sums it up nicely.
Title: Re: DARE: Keeps kids turning in their parents.
Post by: East Coast Hustle on October 20, 2010, 07:56:39 PM
Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on October 20, 2010, 05:45:35 PM
Quote from: eighteen buddha strike on October 20, 2010, 08:16:46 AM
Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on October 19, 2010, 10:52:40 PM
Did anyone remember something called G.R.E.A.T. back in the day?

Also I remember becoming suspicious with D.A.R.E. when I noticed that different instructors would give completely different "side-effects" of marijuana.

HAHA, Gang. Resistance. Education. And. Training...

I went to something like seven different elementary schools and three jr. hs, being a military brat/product of divorce, so I've been through the wringer with that sort of shit... I had to do at least three different DARE programs, not to mention as many "health" classes as schools I attended (including one my freshman year of high school. (I FUCKING ALREADY KNOW WHERE BABIES AND AIDS COME FROM< I GET IT ALREADY.) Only one of those schools had G.R.E.A.T, and it also happened to be one of the most suburban schools I ever attended.

I know what you mean. I moved from Pheonix the a small town upper Michigan. It blew my mind that this little backwoods place would have Gang education when their biggest problem was drunk driving.

Lies. The St. Ignace Vice Lords will fucking anybody!
Title: Re: DARE: Keeps kids turning in their parents.
Post by: Prince Glittersnatch III on October 20, 2010, 07:58:04 PM
Quote from: First City Hustle on October 20, 2010, 07:56:39 PM
Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on October 20, 2010, 05:45:35 PM
Quote from: eighteen buddha strike on October 20, 2010, 08:16:46 AM
Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on October 19, 2010, 10:52:40 PM
Did anyone remember something called G.R.E.A.T. back in the day?

Also I remember becoming suspicious with D.A.R.E. when I noticed that different instructors would give completely different "side-effects" of marijuana.

HAHA, Gang. Resistance. Education. And. Training...

I went to something like seven different elementary schools and three jr. highs, being a military brat/product of divorce, so I've been through the wringer with that sort of shit... I had to do at least three different DARE programs, not to mention as many "health" classes as schools I attended (including one my freshman year of high school. (I FUCKING ALREADY KNOW WHERE BABIES AND AIDS COME FROM< I GET IT ALREADY.) Only one of those schools had G.R.E.A.T, and it also happened to be one of the most suburban schools I ever attended.

I know what you mean. I moved from Pheonix the a small town upper Michigan. It blew my mind that this little backwoods place would have Gang education when their biggest problem was drunk driving.

Lies. The Greyling Vice Lords will fucking anybody!

Oh they had their share of Wangsta thug wannabees. I think the biggest crime they ever committed was slashing someones tires.
DONT FUCK WITH THEM.
Title: Re: DARE: Keeps kids turning in their parents.
Post by: maphdet on October 20, 2010, 08:28:13 PM
That's a pretty fucked up story. But just to play devil's advocate...I know plenty of parents that smoke pot and have it around the house. Difference is the pot is not where the kids can get to it. Still-Lesson here-Teach your children well and with trust, so they can come to you with shit like this instead of the authorities and then run the risk of being raised in foster care.
Title: Re: DARE: Keeps kids turning in their parents.
Post by: Suu on October 20, 2010, 08:55:37 PM
My mom was the one who showed me how to roll a joint.  :kingmeh:

Title: Re: DARE: Keeps kids turning in their parents.
Post by: Cainad (dec.) on October 20, 2010, 09:10:07 PM
My parents never had drugs in the house and never used anything illegal during my lifetime, as far as I know. But they were VERY quick to make sure that I knew D.A.R.E. was full of baloney when it came to their scare stories.
Title: Re: DARE: Keeps kids turning in their parents.
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on October 20, 2010, 09:31:43 PM
My parents thought that marijuana would make me engage in illicit sex and be possessed by demons. So DARE was kinda child's play   :lulz:
Title: Re: DARE: Keeps kids turning in their parents.
Post by: Kurt Christ on October 20, 2010, 09:35:19 PM
Quote from: Ratatosk on October 20, 2010, 09:31:43 PM
My parents thought that marijuana would make me engage in illicit sex and be possessed by demons. So DARE was kinda child's play   :lulz:
Wait, it doesn't? Well, there goes my interest in the devil weed.
Title: Re: DARE: Keeps kids turning in their parents.
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on October 20, 2010, 09:37:03 PM
Quote from: Vartox on October 20, 2010, 09:35:19 PM
Quote from: Ratatosk on October 20, 2010, 09:31:43 PM
My parents thought that marijuana would make me engage in illicit sex and be possessed by demons. So DARE was kinda child's play   :lulz:
Wait, it doesn't? Well, there goes my interest in the devil weed.

See when you're on drugs, you don't have control of your brain. If you don't have control of your brain, the demons can get control of your brain and then they will possess you!

Might explain why I have so much more fun these days actually....
Title: Re: DARE: Keeps kids turning in their parents.
Post by: Triple Zero on October 20, 2010, 11:11:24 PM
Quote from: Ratatosk on October 20, 2010, 09:31:43 PM
My parents thought that marijuana would make me engage in illicit sex and be possessed by demons. So DARE was kinda child's play   :lulz:

So, in some sense, your parents turned out to be quite right about this eh? ;-)
Title: Re: DARE: Keeps kids turning in their parents.
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on October 20, 2010, 11:15:25 PM
Quote from: Triple Zero on October 20, 2010, 11:11:24 PM
Quote from: Ratatosk on October 20, 2010, 09:31:43 PM
My parents thought that marijuana would make me engage in illicit sex and be possessed by demons. So DARE was kinda child's play   :lulz:

So, in some sense, your parents turned out to be quite right about this eh? ;-)

Oh Yeah!
Title: Re: DARE: Keeps kids turning in their parents.
Post by: Iason Ouabache on October 21, 2010, 06:14:41 AM
Quote from: Cainad on October 20, 2010, 09:10:07 PM
My parents never had drugs in the house and never used anything illegal during my lifetime, as far as I know.
Caffeine overdoses don't count. :lol:
Title: Re: DARE: Keeps kids turning in their parents.
Post by: Cainad (dec.) on October 21, 2010, 05:24:33 PM
Quote from: Iason Ouabache on October 21, 2010, 06:14:41 AM
Quote from: Cainad on October 20, 2010, 09:10:07 PM
My parents never had drugs in the house and never used anything illegal during my lifetime, as far as I know.
Caffeine overdoses don't count. :lol:

'Course not. Those are completely legal, aren't they? And so's the Adderall that we've all been hopped up on for the past five years.
Title: Re: DARE: Keeps kids turning in their parents.
Post by: AFK on October 21, 2010, 05:36:40 PM
As long as you are using your own Adderall.  Technically, if you were using someone else's Adderall it would be illegal.

And there you have your useless pedantic nugget of the day.

RWHN er, PM,
-Bringing the people what they didn't ask for since 1983
Title: Re: DARE: Keeps kids turning in their parents.
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on October 21, 2010, 05:50:30 PM
Quote from: Punmeister Meisterpunner on October 21, 2010, 05:36:40 PM
As long as you are using your own Adderall.  Technically, if you were using someone else's Adderall it would be illegal.

And there you have your useless pedantic nugget of the day.

RWHN er, PM,
-Bringing the people what they didn't ask for since 1983

All these druggie kids these days... what is the world coming to?!
Title: Re: DARE: Keeps kids turning in their parents.
Post by: Triple Zero on October 30, 2010, 10:44:22 PM
What happened in 1983?
Title: Re: DARE: Keeps kids turning in their parents.
Post by: Cain on October 31, 2010, 12:23:58 AM
Schoolgirl Samantha Smith was invited to visit the Soviet Union by its leader Yuri Andropov, after he read her letter in which she expressed fears about nuclear war