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Nobody* deserves that. :sad:
*=Okay SOME people do, but probably not your girlfriend.
Holy crap, that sucks.
(re-reading) oh it was the pets, I first thought it was the roommates that were dead. phew.
So I presume no humans were home when the fire broke out?
I hope she had insurance? That saved my ass last year (fire of the horrible february 2009).
Fuck. I had my house burn down a couple years ago (they never fucking got back to me on what started the fire). I know how much that shit sucks. Condolences.
Allow me to be the assholish voice of dissent. :lulz:
While she probably didn't deserve that (unless she screwed her dealer on money she owed him, in which case I have no sympathy at all), THIS IS WHY YOU DON'T DATE STRIPPERS.
Their entire life is DRAMA. And believe me, it will ALWAYS be SOMETHING.
ETA: I'd still have sympathy for the roommate, unless they were in on the screwing over of the dealer.
And BTW, speaking from intensive personal experience, drug dealers don't generally do shit like that that will attract the attention of the authorities UNLESS they not only got screwed, but got screwed out of alot of money.
I'm in the ECH camp on this one.
QuoteThey then asked her who her dealer was, and she told them, acknowledging that her psychotic dealer had a key to her apartment, and that they had had a severe falling out recently.
Sympathy free zone, right here. :|
I mean, my old partner once cut someone's pinky off who owed us $1800. That's not even that much money. :lulz:
Quote from: First City Hustle on November 04, 2010, 02:29:04 AM
I mean, my old partner once cut someone's pinky off who owed us $1800. That's not even that much money. :lulz:
$300-$500 gets someone killed in Tucson.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on November 04, 2010, 02:50:05 AM
Quote from: First City Hustle on November 04, 2010, 02:29:04 AM
I mean, my old partner once cut someone's pinky off who owed us $1800. That's not even that much money. :lulz:
$300-$500 gets someone killed in Tucson.
:horrormirth:
Quote from: Sir Coyote on November 04, 2010, 03:04:03 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on November 04, 2010, 02:50:05 AM
Quote from: First City Hustle on November 04, 2010, 02:29:04 AM
I mean, my old partner once cut someone's pinky off who owed us $1800. That's not even that much money. :lulz:
$300-$500 gets someone killed in Tucson.
:horrormirth:
That's if you're hiring someone.
For simple robbery, the average ice cream man's life is apparently worth $49.25.
Edit: I guess i should clarify by what I mean when I say "dealer". This guy would buy weight, and sell 1/4th of it to her. He sold another 1/4th to another friend, and consumed the rest. Not dealer so much as super-heavy user looking for a cheaper alternative for supply.
I'm guessing that we have vastly different ideas of what constitutes "weight".
I just want to chime in with.....
WHO GIVES THEIR COKE DEALER A KEY TO THEIR FUCKING HOME????
Now I am not saying there are not some "reputable" drug dealers out there. God that tasted crappy coming out. Anyway, there are some who do it strictly for the money and are in it as a business, and you have your weed dealers who sell enough to support their own habit for free. However, it still doesn't matter. You don't shit where you live. Your coke dealer shouldn't know where you live let alone have a fucking key.
You aren't talking about some weed dealer dropping off a quarter, you're talking about cocaine and those fuckers CANNOT BE TRUSTED!!!
I don't necessarily agree that it's a completely bad wrong idea to date strippers, after all, there are those who are just doing it to make the money to survive. I mean if I had thought about it too hard I might have stripped my way through college. As it was I was fortunate enough to get financing elsewhere.
But I cannot get past someone giving their coke dealer a key to their house. Do you give an alcoholic a key to the bar? Do you give a child the key to a candy store? HELL NO and you don't give a drug dealer a key to your home. They are already a criminal element selling the drugs, what in the world would ever make anyone think they would not take the step over into burglary and arson?
I'm glad your girl is ok and not hurt, but I truly hope this is a wake up call for her in who she can and cannot trust. Key thought, don't trust people who are selling you shit that can and, if you don't stop, will kill you. Also DO NOT EVER EVER EVER give out a key to your apartment to criminals.
No, it was weed. And they were friends before she started buying from him. Hell, he even babysat her kid a few times months ago.
Probably is a lot less "weight" than you'd imagine (he always claimed he bought it in brick from a local grower). But i've never been more than a casual smoker, so it seemed a hearty amount to me.
Did the walkthrough this morning. She's been told 2 different things from 2 different cops:
"We don't know what started it"
"We found traces of accelerant in the remains of the carpet"
:lol:
domestic growers NEVER brick their weed. It turns the product to shit and cuts it's value nearly in half.
Pretty much everything about this story screams out "bullshit".
and FYI, when it comes to pot, anything less than a pound is not "weight".
I'm guessing that dude was buying an ounce or maybe even a QP and selling some to make his cheap or nearly free.
Which means that, since this was probably not motivated by any sort of serious drug debt, the only other thing that makes sense is that dude was putting it to your girl and then she decided he couldn't put it to her anymore.
Quote from: Da6s on November 03, 2010, 03:59:34 AM
and in no way is she established/set up like a responsible 23 year old should be.
:lulz:
Anyone who IS responsible by age 23 should be taken out and shot.
Quote from: Da6s on November 03, 2010, 03:59:34 AM
She had paraphernalia a less than a gram of residue in the apartment.
I'm calling bullshit that it was "just weed" based on the above statement.
Gram? So she what buys by the fucking blunt? Residue? Really??? From a blunt???
Also.....
Quote from: First City Hustle on November 05, 2010, 05:36:25 PM
:lol:
domestic growers NEVER brick their weed. It turns the product to shit and cuts it's value nearly in half.
Pretty much everything about this story screams out "bullshit".
and FYI, when it comes to pot, anything less than a pound is not "weight".
I'm guessing that dude was buying an ounce or maybe even a QP and selling some to make his cheap or nearly free.
Which means that, since this was probably not motivated by any sort of serious drug debt, the only other thing that makes sense is that dude was putting it to your girl and then she decided he couldn't put it to her anymore.
THIS!!!
I'm just quoting verbatim what the liberty university drop out stated. and i'm not fully familiar with the exact details of how much/whatever, this is just what he said.
my drug lingo sucks, and im ok with that.
Quote from: Out of Order on November 05, 2010, 06:28:26 PM
Quote from: Da6s on November 03, 2010, 03:59:34 AM
She had paraphernalia a less than a gram of residue in the apartment.
I'm calling bullshit that it was "just weed" based on the above statement.
Gram? So she what buys by the fucking blunt? Residue? Really??? From a blunt??
as in resin in 8 or so various bowls.
Quote from: Da6s on November 03, 2010, 03:59:34 AM
They then asked her who her dealer was, and she told them, acknowledging that her psychotic dealer had a key to her apartment, and that they had had a severe falling out recently. The cops then ask if there's anything in her room she'd like them to search for.
She had 800+ dollars saved in a beanie in her bedroom that while safe from the flames, was mysteriously missing.
This savings was exclusively to fly out here and visit me. Next week. She'd mentioned her "trip hat" in front of said asshole dealer, he knew where it was.
Quote from: Da6s on November 05, 2010, 05:52:26 AM
And this dealer turned infatuation turned bitter isn't exactly bright (he dropped out of Liberty University if it tells you anything). He's also not exactly the most sane person I've ever encountered (worked as a RN, used to talk about all the drugs he has access to that he could kill anyone with). I always got the vibe that he'd be someone who would commit a murder in a passionate fury and then be a bumbling dumb ass and get caught shortly thereafter.
Quote from: Da6s on November 05, 2010, 04:51:20 PM
No, it was weed. And they were friends before she started buying from him. Hell, he even babysat her kid a few times months ago.
So your girlfriend not only gave her stupid, psychotic dealer the keys to her place, she also let him babysit her kid?
:facepalm:
Listen, I'm glad nobody died. But fuuuuuuck. Has anyone in this scenario heard of "good judgement"?
:redneck2:
Quote from: Da6s on November 05, 2010, 08:07:02 PM
Quote from: Out of Order on November 05, 2010, 06:28:26 PM
Quote from: Da6s on November 03, 2010, 03:59:34 AM
She had paraphernalia a less than a gram of residue in the apartment.
I'm calling bullshit that it was "just weed" based on the above statement.
Gram? So she what buys by the fucking blunt? Residue? Really??? From a blunt??
as in resin in 8 or so various bowls.
That miraculously didn't burn up in the fire aside from the fact that resin is flammable....
Dude, I have this bridge....
Quote from: Out of Order on November 05, 2010, 08:41:29 PM
Quote from: Da6s on November 05, 2010, 08:07:02 PM
Quote from: Out of Order on November 05, 2010, 06:28:26 PM
Quote from: Da6s on November 03, 2010, 03:59:34 AM
She had paraphernalia a less than a gram of residue in the apartment.
I'm calling bullshit that it was "just weed" based on the above statement.
Gram? So she what buys by the fucking blunt? Residue? Really??? From a blunt??
as in resin in 8 or so various bowls.
That miraculously didn't burn up in the fire aside from the fact that resin is flammable....
Dude, I have this bridge....
her bowl collection was in her bedroom sitting out, which was mostly spared from the flames. the cops found it when they did the final sweep.
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on November 05, 2010, 08:26:41 PM
Listen, I'm glad nobody died. But fuuuuuuck. Has anyone in this scenario heard of "good judgement"?
Oh i know. there's been much silence between us the past two days because of me "WTF WERE YOU THINKING?!?!?" reaction.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 05, 2010, 08:32:54 PM
:redneck2:
Image is a somewhat accurate depiction of the supposed arsonist, minus the john deer hat and change the wife beater to nurses scrubs.
:lol:
Yeah, that must have been a pleasant surprise.
BTW,
Even though it might have been prevented by not making some dumb choices she made, it's still not her fault that her apartment burned down. The psychotic drug dealer "friend" was the one who set her house on fire.
I'm just saying, speaking as a person who had his house burn down in Feb'09 (and in this case it was probably my flatmate's fault), losing all, or most, of your stuff fucking SUCKS. And even the stuff you didn't lose, because so much plastic burned, is covered in noxious fumes and soot.
It fucking SUCKS and even if you can make the (not unreasonable) argument that it was her own damn fault, I feel for her.
I didn't quite catch, Da6, did she have insurance, or not? Does she get anything?
I was lucky, I just had bought insurance only 6 months before (only a few euros a month, btw) and I got refunded everything, agent called it "total loss" and I got €15k.
Oh, it's totally not her fault! And it sucks, and I feel bad for her. My mind was just boggling a little at the "My psychotic retard drug dealer has a key to my place and babysits my kid" thing.
While she obviously doesn't bear full responsibility for it, it also seems as though she bears at least SOME responsibility for it. I mean, you make bad choices, the outcomes of those choices are yours to own.
Quote from: First City Hustle on November 06, 2010, 09:27:40 PM
While she obviously doesn't bear full responsibility for it, it also seems as though she bears at least SOME responsibility for it. I mean, you make bad choices, the outcomes of those choices are yours to own.
I agree with ECH here. It sucks that this happened, but again, if you make bad decisions, well, you made the decision.
Quote from: Triple Zero on November 06, 2010, 01:52:02 PM
I didn't quite catch, Da6, did she have insurance, or not? Does she get anything?
I was lucky, I just had bought insurance only 6 months before (only a few euros a month, btw) and I got refunded everything, agent called it "total loss" and I got €15k.
Nope, she didn't have any insurance. Lost everything in the living room (tv, futon, couch, chair, various stocked bookshelves). Lost everything in the dining room/kitchen (table, chairs, desk, pots, pants, glasses, cups, plates, every kitchen thing imaginable pretty much). Lost everything in her kids play room (including all the kids toys)/hallway/attire closet/main bathroom with all hair utensils. Both of her roommates pets died, and their bodies did a vanishing act a la animal control.
Her bedroom and her roommates bedroom were mostly ok. Minor heat damage (she had comic book covers and a few action figures melt), but the rest seems salvageable.
She lawyered up, and has to go to the knox pd station to make a statement tomorrow. Oh, and they have confirmed it was indeed arson, and there was indeed accelerant in the carpet remains.
She's also been incredibly bitter towards me for not spending excess of 600 dollars to get my ass into town to be there as physical support for her in this, knowing that i'm pretty much broke for another month or two at least. I'm getting the feeling it's the signal of the beginning of the end.
I think the overall problem was a very poor judgement call in who she could trust as one of her inner circle. She's mentioned in almost total despair how she doesn't think she'll ever be able to truly trust a "friend" like that again.
Quote from: First City Hustle on November 06, 2010, 09:27:40 PM
While she obviously doesn't bear full responsibility for it, it also seems as though she bears at least SOME responsibility for it. I mean, you make bad choices, the outcomes of those choices are yours to own.
Yes, and more importantly, to learn from. Unfortunately, she sounds like a moron.
It goes with the old saying.... "If you lay down with dogs you wake up with fleas!"
She apparently met up with her lawyer this morning, he called the pd and asked, with her sitting in the room, what they wanted to talk with her about. They said "We can't discuss that with you" to which he responded, " ok then, well, she doesn't feel up to talking to you. So if you need to talk to her, you can call me."
Now in her naivety she thinks it's over. Hell, she even sent me a text saying "$500 to make them go away. Money well spent." I really don't know how to tell her "uh, this was done against you, you kind of want to comply you know".
Wait... she hired a lawyer why? Isn't she the victim?
Oh my god I don't even want to know. Moron drama is why I don't have those kinds of people in my life. Forget that I asked.
Quote from: Nigel on November 08, 2010, 07:56:25 PM
Oh my god I don't even want to know. Moron drama is why I don't have those kinds of people in my life. Forget that I asked.
:lulz:
For anyone else curious, they talked to the prime suspect, arsonist dealer buddy, and he pretty much defamed her in every way imaginable, damming to the point where she was terrified of possibly losing custody of her child. He pretty much made her out to be an unstable 2 bit druggy whore.
She talked to her biological father, confessed everything to him (pot use, everything), and he advised her to get a lawyer before giving the cops her statement.
She did such.
Quote from: Da6s on November 08, 2010, 08:04:53 PM
or anyone else curious, they talked to the prime suspect, arsonist dealer buddy, and he pretty much defamed her in every way imaginable, damming to the point where she was terrified of possibly losing custody of her child. He pretty much made her out to be an unstable 2 bit druggy stripper whore.
Well, we know that she's unstable, a druggie, and a stripper.
The whore part not so much.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 08, 2010, 08:06:51 PM
Quote from: Da6s on November 08, 2010, 08:04:53 PM
or anyone else curious, they talked to the prime suspect, arsonist dealer buddy, and he pretty much defamed her in every way imaginable, damming to the point where she was terrified of possibly losing custody of her child. He pretty much made her out to be an unstable 2 bit druggy stripper whore.
Well, we know that she's unstable, a druggie, and a stripper.
The whore part not so much.
Which could explain why she wanted to get a lawyer out of fear of her own ass.
Quote from: Da6s on November 08, 2010, 08:14:15 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 08, 2010, 08:06:51 PM
Quote from: Da6s on November 08, 2010, 08:04:53 PM
or anyone else curious, they talked to the prime suspect, arsonist dealer buddy, and he pretty much defamed her in every way imaginable, damming to the point where she was terrified of possibly losing custody of her child. He pretty much made her out to be an unstable 2 bit druggy stripper whore.
Well, we know that she's unstable, a druggie, and a stripper.
The whore part not so much.
Which could explain why she wanted to get a lawyer out of fear of her own ass.
First smart thing she's done, as far as I can tell.
...what the fuck...
Sometimes it takes shit like this to make people grow up. Or she's trying not to lose her child. Either one is a step in the right direction.
Cool. I hope this is the wake-up call it takes for her to get her shit together.
Quote from: Da6s on November 08, 2010, 09:48:22 PM
...what the fuck...
She just called me. She quit her job at the strip club. She's moving in with her biological father, and she's going to find legit work and get back in school.
I'm kind of in shock. Never saw this coming from the pre-fire ambitionless stripper.
Well, this could go one of two ways. Hopefully, it's the non-nervous breakdown way.
Surprising how much good things can come from a cleansing fire.