I have one word for you all-
"Israelification"
http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/744199---israelification-high-security-little-bother
You're welcome. NOW SPREAD THE WORD.
Quote from: Lysergic on November 16, 2010, 08:22:50 AM
I have one word for you all-
"Israelification"
http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/744199---israelification-high-security-little-bother
You're welcome. NOW SPREAD THE WORD.
We were just having this conversation on my board, and pretty much everyone who has traveled to Israel agreed that that, at least, is one thing they're doing right.
eye opening. good read. thanks for posting.
Pierson is a real clusterfuck of an airport, I'm not surprised that douchebag's answer was the clear the terminal.
The final comment there was the best.
yeah, that was really interesting ~ doubt it'll ever be implemented over here, but it's a great example of security done right, i guess.
I agreed. In a sick way the "Security" in airports right now is a product that the public is being sold on. Wait hours and stand in line for screenings, and you're seeing that security in place, and being enforced. The efficiency is almost secondary. (Personally, I've chatted with people as vehemently defensive of the "strong" security measures, as folks who are opposed to it.)
Not to mention the use of screening for behavioral cues. More difficult and expensive to train someone and employ for that than to watch a screen, or wave a wand. (Ahh, the land of bored security gaurds.)
A) Airport security is an industry, and the point is to make contractors rich. If people are made safer, well, that's a bonus.
B) Americans bitch about the inconveniences of airport security, but truth be told, if it was easy to get through an airport, many people would assume it was also unsafe, and would choose not to fly. The inconvenience is the government's way of saying "LOOK WE'RE DOING SOMETHING," even though they aren't really, and people trust that more than they would trust actual statistical results, because we've been programmed to reject facts and rely on (guided) instinct.
Quote from: Richter on November 16, 2010, 08:10:49 PM
I agreed. In a sick way the "Security" in airports right now is a product that the public is being sold on. Wait hours and stand in line for screenings, and you're seeing that security in place, and being enforced. The efficiency is almost secondary. (Personally, I've chatted with people as vehemently defensive of the "strong" security measures, as folks who are opposed to it.)
Not to mention the use of screening for behavioral cues. More difficult and expensive to train someone and employ for that than to watch a screen, or wave a wand. (Ahh, the land of bored security gaurds.)
They're getting paid minimum wage and working in a government union...I mean, REALLY, do you blame them?
$11.30 is the lowest starting wage for screeners. http://www.tsa.gov/press/releases/2003/press_release_0324.shtm
Oh shi, I just noticed that was from 2003. I'm sure it's higher now, I'll try to find it.
http://www.tsa.gov/join/careers/pay_scales.shtm Screeners start at D. Not great pay, but definitely not minimum wage.
Does this mean Israelis are now sand-nags who love Obama?
Quote from: Subetai on November 16, 2010, 11:16:33 PM
Does this mean Israelis are now sand-nags who love Obama?
I think that's what that means. I'm having a hard time telling.
Here are a few more good TSA links. It's getting hot in here, so take off all your clothes!
http://volokh.com/2010/11/15/do-new-high-tech-scans-at-the-airport-violate-the-fourth-amendment/
http://www.americablog.com/2010/01/german-tv-highlights-failings-of-body.html
http://articles.cnn.com/2010-11-12/travel/travel.screening_1_body-scanners-pat-downs-travel-companies?_s=PM:TRAVEL
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/Amid-airport-anger_-GOP-takes-aim-at-screening-1576602-108259869.html
My prediction? This holiday season there will be multiple incidents of travelers stressed by the holidays, long lines, and poor treatment, losing their shit and flipping out in the screening area. One of these incidents will result in the unnecessary and unwarranted death of a traveler at the hands of the TSA. Mass outrage will ensue, airports will evict the TSA, and there will be massive layoffs. The department will be reduced to a skeleton, repurposed, and eventually renamed in an attempt to lose the shame.
Quote from: Liam on November 17, 2010, 12:37:09 AM
Quoteand eventually renamed in an attempt to lose the shame
I'm with you 200% of the way but I reckon that last sentence should read:
and eventually gets absorbed under the Dept. Of Homeland Security like they want.
Or it could be me being all tinfoilhat.
No, they don't want to be absorbed by anyone. As a separate department they have their own funding and their own budget.
Oh haha now the Christians are having a problem, too: http://www.christiannewswire.com/news/3927915508.html
interesting prediction, nigel
I think that if the TSA killed somebody, the news would be TERRORIST SLAIN and it would end up being an argument FOR these horrible things
either way, I think that future textbooks about this period will have to print a little sidebar about what privacy was.
"Well kids, before the patriot act..."
I still want to know why keeping terrorists from setting their junk on fire is desirable.
If anything we should be encouraging this. It can't possibly do good things for their recruitment figures.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9H9HNEtrvEE&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9H9HNEtrvEE&feature=player_embedded)
This is awesome. New Jersey legislators are taking on the TSA. It looks like the body scanners and groping are going to be the thing that finally sinks the security theatre.
GO GO NEW JERSEY!
Quote from: Cramulus on November 17, 2010, 02:19:30 AM
I think that future textbooks about this period will have to print a little sidebar about what privacy was.
:x
Quote from: Epimetheus on November 17, 2010, 06:27:51 AM
Quote from: Cramulus on November 17, 2010, 02:19:30 AM
I think that future textbooks about this period will have to print a little sidebar about what privacy was.
:x
No, I think this shit is coming to a head.
Quote from: Nigel on November 17, 2010, 06:28:59 AM
Quote from: Epimetheus on November 17, 2010, 06:27:51 AM
Quote from: Cramulus on November 17, 2010, 02:19:30 AM
I think that future textbooks about this period will have to print a little sidebar about what privacy was.
:x
No, I think this shit is coming to a head.
I honestly have no idea what the level of awareness of the average person is. Not to sound condescending.
Quote from: Epimetheus on November 17, 2010, 06:33:03 AM
Quote from: Nigel on November 17, 2010, 06:28:59 AM
Quote from: Epimetheus on November 17, 2010, 06:27:51 AM
Quote from: Cramulus on November 17, 2010, 02:19:30 AM
I think that future textbooks about this period will have to print a little sidebar about what privacy was.
:x
No, I think this shit is coming to a head.
I honestly have no idea what the level of awareness of the average person is. Not to sound condescending.
Well, then look around.
Quote from: Nigel on November 17, 2010, 06:45:01 AM
Quote from: Epimetheus on November 17, 2010, 06:33:03 AM
Quote from: Nigel on November 17, 2010, 06:28:59 AM
Quote from: Epimetheus on November 17, 2010, 06:27:51 AM
Quote from: Cramulus on November 17, 2010, 02:19:30 AM
I think that future textbooks about this period will have to print a little sidebar about what privacy was.
:x
No, I think this shit is coming to a head.
I honestly have no idea what the level of awareness of the average person is. Not to sound condescending.
Well, then look around.
Will do. :)
FTR, the only reason I object to the groping is because there's no follow-through.
The main problem with an Israel-like airport security system being used in the USA is that a more competent, efficient handling of terrorist threats in a manner that is more proportional to the actual degree of threat wouldn't be very good at generating fear.
I mean, how are you supposed to get Americans to give up those juicy, delicious "rights" if every trip through an airport doesn't remind them of the REAL AND PRESENT DANGER? :nigel:
What would become of the expensive scanners they bought if they were replaced by trained humans? What a waste.
Quote from: Subetai on November 16, 2010, 11:16:33 PM
Does this mean Israelis are now sand-nags who love Obama?
Of course. Additionally, they're all muslims form Kenya.
Quote from: Cainad on November 17, 2010, 04:43:58 PM
The main problem with an Israel-like airport security system being used in the USA is that a more competent, efficient handling of terrorist threats in a manner that is more proportional to the actual degree of threat wouldn't be very good at generating fear.
I mean, how are you supposed to get Americans to give up those juicy, delicious "rights" if every trip through an airport doesn't remind them of the REAL AND PRESENT DANGER? :nigel:
The great irony is if we the people showed much less fear and more brazen we don't give a fuck about potential bombs then that means the terrorists are losing. The other way the only people who win are terrorists and the guys selling the gear to do these searches.