Because coming home to a camera crew and a reporter rehearsing, "Two men, armed and dangerous. Live at 11." On your street corner is NOT welcoming.
Richter, you're on call. Let Herbert know too, please.
Fuck. I just live with a kleptomanic, pathological liar. Least I'm not getting SHOT. :(
Quote from: Freeky on November 17, 2010, 01:25:05 AM
Fuck. I just live with a kleptomanic, pathological liar. Least I'm not getting SHOT. :(
Give it time, Freeky, give it time.
Quote from: Net on November 17, 2010, 01:29:42 AM
Quote from: Freeky on November 17, 2010, 01:25:05 AM
Fuck. I just live with a kleptomanic, pathological liar. Least I'm not getting SHOT. :(
Give it time, Freeky, give it time.
:aww: BUT I DUN WANNA GET SHOT!
Quote from: Suu on November 17, 2010, 01:07:34 AM
Because coming home to a camera crew and a reporter rehearsing, "Two men, armed and dangerous. Live at 11." On your street corner is NOT welcoming.
Richter, you're on call. Let Herbert know too, please.
holy shit! you totally need to move, Suu
so what happened with these live dangerous arm men?
Quote from: Suu on November 17, 2010, 01:07:34 AM
Because coming home to a camera crew and a reporter rehearsing, "Two men, armed and dangerous. Live at 11." On your street corner is NOT welcoming.
Richter, you're on call. Let Herbert know too, please.
Come to Tucson. That's "Tuesday at lunchtime".
Quote from: Freeky on November 17, 2010, 01:25:05 AM
Fuck. I just live with a kleptomanic, pathological liar. Least I'm not getting SHOT. :(
That's because you're down in Sahuarita. Hardly Tucson at all.
Is it on youtube yet?
Reminds me of fun nights of small arms fire and bathtub sleeping back home.
moving would be kinda drastic. sounds like you just need to get a CCW permit.
This is a low-income area, but it's also a family area, so people get really freaking out when gangstahs from Smith Hill try to come over to start shit...especially in front of a PUBLIC LIBRARY with SCHOOL KIDS INSIDE.
I'm not 100% sure yet. I did see the state troopers and capitol police (not even Providence PD, CAPITOL POLICE) take someone from a car in front of the library literally minutes after I had just gotten off my bus there and crossed the street.
Let's check channel 6!
http://www.abc6.com/Global/story.asp?S=13516393
That's right on my corner. I can see it from my fucking WINDOW.
The library must have been another isolated incident. [/Glenn Beck]
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 17, 2010, 04:17:25 AM
Quote from: Freeky on November 17, 2010, 01:25:05 AM
Fuck. I just live with a kleptomanic, pathological liar. Least I'm not getting SHOT. :(
That's because you're down in Sahuarita. Hardly Tucson at all.
Ah, well. In a few years it'll be a special kind of hell, possibly worse than Oro Valley.
I'm really confused. Is that kind of thing considered scarybad there? It wouldn't make the news here. I was under the impression that the East Coast was supposed to be hardcore or something.
Yeah, the most that'd make is a short little article in our newspaper here, and juicy neighborhood gossip. Not the News though.
Quote from: Nigel on November 17, 2010, 05:33:39 AM
I'm really confused. Is that kind of thing considered scarybad there? It wouldn't make the news here. I was under the impression that the East Coast was supposed to be hardcore or something.
This happens, just not on the corner of my fucking street. :argh!: Soooo glad I don't live near PC anymore. That was fucking nasty. The neighborhood I live in now is attempting to undergo gentrification, and it's mostly bringing in poor students like me, and hipsters that want to "live on the edge", other than that, the same section 8 families and drug addicts are everywhere. I do get mistaken for a hooker at least every other day though.
Providence actually has a relatively low violent crime rate, but there's a lot of white-collar crimes here to make up for it. The really nasty shit happens across the border in Fall River in MA.
That and crime ALWAYS makes the news. People get off of on it here.
Quote from: Nigel on November 17, 2010, 05:33:39 AM
I'm really confused. Is that kind of thing considered scarybad there? It wouldn't make the news here. I was under the impression that the East Coast was supposed to be hardcore or something.
A myth perpetuated by urban effete east coast elites who are desperate to convince anybody who will listen that they are, in fact, "wikkid street, dawg".
Quote from: First City Hustle on November 17, 2010, 01:18:09 PM
Quote from: Nigel on November 17, 2010, 05:33:39 AM
I'm really confused. Is that kind of thing considered scarybad there? It wouldn't make the news here. I was under the impression that the East Coast was supposed to be hardcore or something.
A myth perpetuated by urban effete east coast elites who are desperate to convince anybody who will listen that they are, in fact, "wikkid street, dawg".
Unless you live in say, Dorchester, Fall Riv', South Bronx, 50% of Philadelphia, 80% of Baltimore and 100% Washington, DC. Then, THEN you can be street. Providence used to be nasty...Or so I hear. That was about 5-10 years before my time.
Though I did see a mugging from my bus on Broad St. into work this morning. I haven't seen one of those in a while...Some guys walking by grabbed a homeless guy's cane and started beating him with it for no apparent reason.
That's just the local rules for golf. Soccer shares a simialr regional quirk in the practice of todler kicking.
Quote from: Richter on November 17, 2010, 02:25:27 PM
That's just the local rules for golf. Soccer shares a simialr regional quirk in the practice of todler kicking.
Oh yeah, that's right. We play more of the Hurling edition here.
I would have loved to see that woman punt that kid though. I wouldn't have known to laugh or call the cops from your description.
Perfect WTF moment. Morally, I wonder about that too. I've settled for marking it off on the columns for "Tucson Moment" and "Well, shit."
It's a Providence moment. We were here first. In fact, the reason why our level of craziness went down is because Buddy Cianci sent the nuts TO Tucson. Makes perfect sense. Now they're just starting to find their way back.
The next time Rog is out here, we NEED to take him to Fall River and New Bedford. He NEEDS to see the origins of filth.
Lawrence is pretty shitty too.
Quote from: Suu on November 17, 2010, 02:47:56 PM
It's a Providence moment. We were here first. In fact, the reason why our level of craziness went down is because Buddy Cianci sent the nuts TO Tucson. Makes perfect sense. Now they're just starting to find their way back.
The next time Rog is out here, we NEED to take him to Fall River and New Bedford. He NEEDS to see the origins of filth.
Suu, Suu. EVERYWHERE is Tucson. Providence may have been officially founded first, but Tucson has always been, since FOREVER.
Quote from: Doktor Blight on November 17, 2010, 02:50:51 PM
Lawrence is pretty shitty too.
That has to be because it's close enough to New Hampshire for people to do all their shopping tax-free, yet not have to commit to living in NH. ManchVegas isn't exactly the shining star of New England either.
Quote from: Freeky on November 17, 2010, 03:02:52 PM
Quote from: Suu on November 17, 2010, 02:47:56 PM
It's a Providence moment. We were here first. In fact, the reason why our level of craziness went down is because Buddy Cianci sent the nuts TO Tucson. Makes perfect sense. Now they're just starting to find their way back.
The next time Rog is out here, we NEED to take him to Fall River and New Bedford. He NEEDS to see the origins of filth.
Suu, Suu. EVERYWHERE is Tucson. Providence may have been officially founded first, but Tucson has always been, since FOREVER.
Nope. I refuse. Keep your grubby ass filthy label out of my own brand of grubby ass filth. THIS IS WAR, REMEMBER?!
Quote from: Suu on November 17, 2010, 03:04:34 PM
Quote from: Doktor Blight on November 17, 2010, 02:50:51 PM
Lawrence is pretty shitty too.
That has to be because it's close enough to New Hampshire for people to do all their shopping tax-free, yet not have to commit to living in NH. ManchVegas isn't exactly the shining star of New England either.
:lulz:
Quote from: Suu on November 17, 2010, 03:06:33 PM
Quote from: Freeky on November 17, 2010, 03:02:52 PM
Quote from: Suu on November 17, 2010, 02:47:56 PM
It's a Providence moment. We were here first. In fact, the reason why our level of craziness went down is because Buddy Cianci sent the nuts TO Tucson. Makes perfect sense. Now they're just starting to find their way back.
The next time Rog is out here, we NEED to take him to Fall River and New Bedford. He NEEDS to see the origins of filth.
Suu, Suu. EVERYWHERE is Tucson. Providence may have been officially founded first, but Tucson has always been, since FOREVER.
Nope. I refuse. Keep your grubby ass filthy label out of my own brand of grubby ass filth. THIS IS WAR, REMEMBER?!
HAVE I SEEN A RETURN SHOT? NO? WELL THEN I GUESS YOU GAVE UP.
Quote from: Freeky on November 17, 2010, 03:08:28 PM
Quote from: Suu on November 17, 2010, 03:06:33 PM
Quote from: Freeky on November 17, 2010, 03:02:52 PM
Quote from: Suu on November 17, 2010, 02:47:56 PM
It's a Providence moment. We were here first. In fact, the reason why our level of craziness went down is because Buddy Cianci sent the nuts TO Tucson. Makes perfect sense. Now they're just starting to find their way back.
The next time Rog is out here, we NEED to take him to Fall River and New Bedford. He NEEDS to see the origins of filth.
Suu, Suu. EVERYWHERE is Tucson. Providence may have been officially founded first, but Tucson has always been, since FOREVER.
Nope. I refuse. Keep your grubby ass filthy label out of my own brand of grubby ass filth. THIS IS WAR, REMEMBER?!
HAVE I SEEN A RETURN SHOT? NO? WELL THEN I GUESS YOU GAVE UP.
Having a vague memory of someone telling me about some guy who mugged someone in Roxbury and then got mugged himself by a drug addict immediately after....
Quote from: Doktor Blight on November 17, 2010, 03:11:25 PM
Quote from: Freeky on November 17, 2010, 03:08:28 PM
Quote from: Suu on November 17, 2010, 03:06:33 PM
Quote from: Freeky on November 17, 2010, 03:02:52 PM
Quote from: Suu on November 17, 2010, 02:47:56 PM
It's a Providence moment. We were here first. In fact, the reason why our level of craziness went down is because Buddy Cianci sent the nuts TO Tucson. Makes perfect sense. Now they're just starting to find their way back.
The next time Rog is out here, we NEED to take him to Fall River and New Bedford. He NEEDS to see the origins of filth.
Suu, Suu. EVERYWHERE is Tucson. Providence may have been officially founded first, but Tucson has always been, since FOREVER.
Nope. I refuse. Keep your grubby ass filthy label out of my own brand of grubby ass filth. THIS IS WAR, REMEMBER?!
HAVE I SEEN A RETURN SHOT? NO? WELL THEN I GUESS YOU GAVE UP.
Having a vague memory of someone telling me about some guy who mugged someone in Roxbury and then got mugged himself by a drug addict immediately after....
:lol: Wednesday afternoon. Maybe Friday on a slow week.
*cough*Southern Maine*cough*
Yeah, sure, we have some nutjobs here and there, but overall it's a pretty safe place to live. Plus, you can still be less than 2 hours away from Boston. Just a little more snow to deal with. And slower drivers.
I will admit though that our muggers are kinda pussies, at least in Boston. Seems like the tactic is to come up behind them, beat them over the head with something and then demand their money. Saw this happen in Allston of all places, and have heard about it happening in a couple of other areas.
Shootings and stabbings aren't that uncommon, but not to the degree that I feel uncomfortable traveling in and out of Dorchester. Though I would be fairly uncomfortable in parts of Roxbury and Mattapan.
Quote from: Doktor Blight on November 17, 2010, 03:11:25 PM
Quote from: Freeky on November 17, 2010, 03:08:28 PM
Quote from: Suu on November 17, 2010, 03:06:33 PM
Quote from: Freeky on November 17, 2010, 03:02:52 PM
Quote from: Suu on November 17, 2010, 02:47:56 PM
It's a Providence moment. We were here first. In fact, the reason why our level of craziness went down is because Buddy Cianci sent the nuts TO Tucson. Makes perfect sense. Now they're just starting to find their way back.
The next time Rog is out here, we NEED to take him to Fall River and New Bedford. He NEEDS to see the origins of filth.
Suu, Suu. EVERYWHERE is Tucson. Providence may have been officially founded first, but Tucson has always been, since FOREVER.
Nope. I refuse. Keep your grubby ass filthy label out of my own brand of grubby ass filth. THIS IS WAR, REMEMBER?!
HAVE I SEEN A RETURN SHOT? NO? WELL THEN I GUESS YOU GAVE UP.
Having a vague memory of someone telling me about some guy who mugged someone in Roxbury and then got mugged himself by a drug addict immediately after....
Oh Roxbury is dreadful too...but not as bad as Dorchester though I think...Or Revere Beach.
Though nothing has held a candle so far to the Southside of St. Petersburg. Oh. My. God. Southern ghettos will fucking New England ghettos and accidentally the whole thing 3 times. I also had to spend a weekend in College Park in Atlanta near the airport. :x Fuck me, I seriously thought we were going to die at least 3 or 4 times.
Quote from: Doktor Blight on November 17, 2010, 03:20:25 PM
I will admit though that our muggers are kinda pussies, at least in Boston. Seems like the tactic is to come up behind them, beat them over the head with something and then demand their money. Saw this happen in Allston of all places, and have heard about it happening in a couple of other areas.
Shootings and stabbings aren't that uncommon, but not to the degree that I feel uncomfortable traveling in and out of Dorchester. Though I would be fairly uncomfortable in parts of Roxbury and Mattapan.
What you saw in Allston was actually an elusive hipster mating ritual, not a mugging.
And yes, Mattapan too, also a lovely part of town. I'm still not a fan of Dorchester. There's a reason why Savin Hill is known as Stabbin' Kill.
Quote from: Freeky on November 17, 2010, 03:02:52 PM
Quote from: Suu on November 17, 2010, 02:47:56 PM
It's a Providence moment. We were here first. In fact, the reason why our level of craziness went down is because Buddy Cianci sent the nuts TO Tucson. Makes perfect sense. Now they're just starting to find their way back.
The next time Rog is out here, we NEED to take him to Fall River and New Bedford. He NEEDS to see the origins of filth.
Suu, Suu. EVERYWHERE is Tucson. Providence may have been officially founded first, but Tucson has always been, since FOREVER.
It's becoming everywhere, anyways. Roger's talk about the Old West never quite hit until a few weeks ago. We know how to do better, to be better, but overall we DON'T. We've got this huge fucking pie in front of us, metaphorically. Even when we're in the shit or despairing around here, somehow it's still OK. It's still AMERICA, and until we've fallen off all our money and gotten too bullet riddled or diseased, we can still wheedle something. It's like the 1800's again. Snake oil, whiskey, weird new species of human showing up, and manifest destiny. (Maybe it never stopped, we jsut got shocked out of it by another by date (1900 holy shit!), a few big bad wars, and some delusions in between. (McCarthy was just jealous, he wanted to one-up Prohibition, and was too in love with Xanatos Speed Chess.))
I can't quite put my finger on the new manifest destiny. We're almost out of Frontier, the whole world is getting too cuddly for traditional empires, and we're starting to relaize that resources are finite. We've screamed across the petri dish as far as we can go (At least until we get serious about the yukon, or nuke a warm spot onto Antarctica.) The pie isn't land, resource, gold, or anything traiditonal. It sounded like BS, then I googled "Adipocere", and found a site selling grave wax as a cure-all. Parody sure, but people would buy it.
Quote from: Suu on November 17, 2010, 03:29:21 PM
Quote from: Doktor Blight on November 17, 2010, 03:20:25 PM
I will admit though that our muggers are kinda pussies, at least in Boston. Seems like the tactic is to come up behind them, beat them over the head with something and then demand their money. Saw this happen in Allston of all places, and have heard about it happening in a couple of other areas.
Shootings and stabbings aren't that uncommon, but not to the degree that I feel uncomfortable traveling in and out of Dorchester. Though I would be fairly uncomfortable in parts of Roxbury and Mattapan.
What you saw in Allston was actually an elusive hipster mating ritual, not a mugging.
And yes, Mattapan too, also a lovely part of town. I'm still not a fan of Dorchester. There's a reason why Savin Hill is known as Stabbin' Kill.
No, it was an actual mugging. The mugger in question probably thought that Allston hipsters would be good targets. But it was fairly close to that part of Allston where the crackheads dwell (a little past O'Brien's).
I haven't had any bad experiences in Dorchester. I'm in Dorchester at the moment (still keeping the girlfriend some company, since she has to take this week off of work too), but it's in Adams Village. Not a bad part of town. Worst part of it is drunken Irish immigrants, which I don't really have a problem with.
To be honest, the only parts of seen of Dorchester made my skin crawl (but it could have also been Mattapan at that point), so if there are better parts, I'm sure It's more along the lines of where I'm living now in Elmwood.
Quote from: Suu on November 17, 2010, 04:15:01 PM
To be honest, the only parts of seen of Dorchester made my skin crawl (but it could have also been Mattapan at that point), so if there are better parts, I'm sure It's more along the lines of where I'm living now in Elmwood.
No, you're not wrong. If I walk down 3 blocks from here it gets real shitty real fast. There was a quadruple homocide about a half mile from here about a month ago.
Oh GOD.
Yeah, I don't know how the murder rate stays so low in Providence, we only get like 40-50 a year, which surprised the shit out of me when I moved up here, because in St. Petersburg if someone wasn't shot at least every day, then it was a good week. Tampa was about the same.
I assume it's probably because there's police EVERYWHERE. GS got all excited one day when he saw some beat cops we had walking around at night. Holding batons and everything, full on classic uniform...
Quote from: Suu on November 17, 2010, 04:43:02 PM
GS got all excited one day when he saw some beat cops we had walking around at night. Holding batons and everything, full on classic uniform...
That shit works, BTW.
Yup. Street presence is crucial.
Also, haven't commented in this thread, but I live a block from Eggelston Square, a known pusher, pimp, and murder hotspot. There's usually at least one ghetto shrine somewhere within a three-block radius from my house at any given moment.
Oddly enough, our little neighborhood is usually not bothered by such deadly shenanigans.
I tried looking it up, also on urbandictionary, but I can't find it, what's a "ghetto shrine" ?
I could be wrong but their a pair of sneakers tied to each other and thrown up to hang from powerlines, as a makeshift memorial for someone killed in that spot.
Again I could be wrong. I'm from West Roxbury.
Quote from: Suu on November 17, 2010, 02:13:29 PM
Quote from: First City Hustle on November 17, 2010, 01:18:09 PM
Quote from: Nigel on November 17, 2010, 05:33:39 AM
I'm really confused. Is that kind of thing considered scarybad there? It wouldn't make the news here. I was under the impression that the East Coast was supposed to be hardcore or something.
A myth perpetuated by urban effete east coast elites who are desperate to convince anybody who will listen that they are, in fact, "wikkid street, dawg".
Unless you live in say, Dorchester, Fall Riv', South Bronx, 50% of Philadelphia, 80% of Baltimore and 100% Washington, DC. Then, THEN you can be street. Providence used to be nasty...Or so I hear. That was about 5-10 years before my time.
Though I did see a mugging from my bus on Broad St. into work this morning. I haven't seen one of those in a while...Some guys walking by grabbed a homeless guy's cane and started beating him with it for no apparent reason.
bah, you east coasters have just gotten soft and forgotten what REAL ghetto is.
hell, South Bronx is downright GENTRIFIED compared to what it was 15 years ago, as is much of Philly and half of Baltimore. Even most of DC can be walked around in.
You guys think that just because a place is old and run down-looking, it's dangerous, but I double-dog-dare any one of you to go spend a week in Stockton or Richmond or Lakewood or Albucrazy or El Paso.
FUCK YOU MY GHETTO IS WAY MORE DANGEROUS THAN YOUR GHETTO
Quote from: Cramulus on November 17, 2010, 05:23:36 PM
FUCK YOU MY GHETTO IS WAY MORE DANGEROUS THAN YOUR GHETTO
YONKAHS?!
Quote from: Suu on November 17, 2010, 04:43:02 PM
Oh GOD.
Yeah, I don't know how the murder rate stays so low in Providence, we only get like 40-50 a year, which surprised the shit out of me when I moved up here, because in St. Petersburg if someone wasn't shot at least every day, then it was a good week. Tampa was about the same.
I assume it's probably because there's police EVERYWHERE. GS got all excited one day when he saw some beat cops we had walking around at night. Holding batons and everything, full on classic uniform...
Providence had 24 murders in 2009, 8 of which were domestic violence homicides. This was the highest number of murders in Providence since 2000. St. Petersburg had 22 and Tampa had 20.
Methinks thou dost exaggerate.
Quote from: First City Hustle on November 17, 2010, 05:38:58 PM
Quote from: Suu on November 17, 2010, 04:43:02 PM
Oh GOD.
Yeah, I don't know how the murder rate stays so low in Providence, we only get like 40-50 a year, which surprised the shit out of me when I moved up here, because in St. Petersburg if someone wasn't shot at least every day, then it was a good week. Tampa was about the same.
I assume it's probably because there's police EVERYWHERE. GS got all excited one day when he saw some beat cops we had walking around at night. Holding batons and everything, full on classic uniform...
Providence had 24 murders in 2009, 8 of which were domestic violence homicides. This was the highest number of murders in Providence since 2000. St. Petersburg had 22 and Tampa had 20.
Methinks thou dost exaggerate.
I didn't look anything up, I just remember it seeming like so much worse when I lived down there. Maybe I think the entire state or something was in the 40s. But then comparing THAT to the state of Florida would be quite different considering the size and populations of each.
IIRC, both Tampa and St. Pete are quite a bit bigger than Providence, population-wise, which would seem to mean that on the face of things, they're both FAR safer cities than Providence.
24 murders in a city of 180,000 people is actually a fairly high homicide rate, though as previously noted 1/3 of them are because someone just wouldn't listen.
We haven't had a really close murder since the Domino's guy got robbed and shot a couple of houses down in the alley. Drive by's are a daily thing, but you get so used to them you just learn to stay away from home or in the back of the house. People getting mugged is the big thing this time of year. They rarely are done by people with guns, or by people who use the guns they have or say they have. I just keep to myself and carry no money on me when I'm walking to and from work and I don't take the bus after dark at all as the new bus stop by the house is a couple of blocks away.
It's sad to say, but you get used to it. Yeah, everyone says move, but that is easier said than done. It costs money to move and I don't have a first, last and security laying in my bank account. Then with no car (yes replacement is a good option, problem is I didn't have full coverage when I wrecked my last car) the bus or walking is the only option which almost forces you to stay where you can get to the places you need to go easily.
I would say besides mace, get a weapons permit or maybe a taser. I don't know if you need a permit for tasers there, you don't here. Not that I have one, I'd shock myself digging in my purse for it.
if you feel unsafe, the relative murder rate isn't important
Quote from: Doktor Blight on November 17, 2010, 03:11:25 PM
Quote from: Freeky on November 17, 2010, 03:08:28 PM
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Quote from: Suu on November 17, 2010, 02:47:56 PM
It's a Providence moment. We were here first. In fact, the reason why our level of craziness went down is because Buddy Cianci sent the nuts TO Tucson. Makes perfect sense. Now they're just starting to find their way back.
The next time Rog is out here, we NEED to take him to Fall River and New Bedford. He NEEDS to see the origins of filth.
Suu, Suu. EVERYWHERE is Tucson. Providence may have been officially founded first, but Tucson has always been, since FOREVER.
Nope. I refuse. Keep your grubby ass filthy label out of my own brand of grubby ass filth. THIS IS WAR, REMEMBER?!
HAVE I SEEN A RETURN SHOT? NO? WELL THEN I GUESS YOU GAVE UP.
Having a vague memory of someone telling me about some guy who mugged someone in Roxbury and then got mugged himself by a drug addict immediately after....
Muggers mugging muggers mugging... :lulz:
Quote from: Cramulus on November 17, 2010, 06:01:00 PM
if you feel unsafe, the relative murder rate isn't important
I don't think there are many people in the city who feel safe these days. Feeling safe or unsafe isn't going to change certain facts yanno?
I am gonna say, Portland is really safe, and we don't really have muggers. Holdups, sure (I've had a gun to my head in a Taco Time :lol:) and we're the nation's capital in bank robberies, and we have an inexplicably high arson rate and some random gang shootouts, but for the most part unless you're actually IN a gang you're unlikely to just get shot or otherwise attacked at random.
For some reason, though, the occasional crazy dude will flip out, take off all his clothes, and run around with a gun, which usually provokes a SWAT response. And a couple years ago they blocked off MLK a few blocks from my house with tanks, but I'm not sure what that was about. They probably just wanted an excuse to use tanks.
Portland also just plain doesn't have slums anymore. At all. There were slums 15-20 years ago, but they're long gone; at least "slums" by Oakland/Stockton/Hilltop standards.
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Quote from: Cramulus on November 17, 2010, 06:01:00 PM
if you feel unsafe, the relative murder rate isn't important
I don't think there are many people in the city who feel safe these days. Feeling safe or unsafe isn't going to change certain facts yanno?
what I'm saying is - providence may have less crime per capita than a lot of places, but if Suu is feeling unsafe, it's definitely a good idea to move.
I used to live in Yonkers, which is a wretched hive of scum and villainy. When I was dating DCup we heard a man get shot to death outside her apartment building. Years later, my girlfriend Chloe would be stopped at a red light when a gang fight broke out around her car. A dude got thrown onto her hood and rolled up onto her windshield. She also watched a bunch of black 12 year olds curbstomp a white 12 year old. The place felt extremely unsafe and hostile and we had to move.
and yet it has a way lower crime rate than Detroit.
saying "You guys don't know what a REAL ghetto is" doesn't resolve Suu's sense that she's living in a dangerous place..
Quote from: First City Hustle on November 17, 2010, 05:38:58 PM
Quote from: Suu on November 17, 2010, 04:43:02 PM
Oh GOD.
Yeah, I don't know how the murder rate stays so low in Providence, we only get like 40-50 a year, which surprised the shit out of me when I moved up here, because in St. Petersburg if someone wasn't shot at least every day, then it was a good week. Tampa was about the same.
I assume it's probably because there's police EVERYWHERE. GS got all excited one day when he saw some beat cops we had walking around at night. Holding batons and everything, full on classic uniform...
Providence had 24 murders in 2009, 8 of which were domestic violence homicides. This was the highest number of murders in Providence since 2000. St. Petersburg had 22 and Tampa had 20.
Methinks thou dost exaggerate.
Say, where'd you get your info? I'm trying to find stats on Tucson, out of curiosity.
Quote from: Cramulus on November 17, 2010, 06:14:05 PM
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Quote from: Cramulus on November 17, 2010, 06:01:00 PM
if you feel unsafe, the relative murder rate isn't important
I don't think there are many people in the city who feel safe these days. Feeling safe or unsafe isn't going to change certain facts yanno?
what I'm saying is - providence may have less crime per capita than a lot of places, but if Suu is feeling unsafe, it's definitely a good idea to move.
I used to live in Yonkers, which is a wretched hive of scum and villainy. When I was dating DCup we heard a man get shot to death outside her apartment building. Years later, my girlfriend Chloe would be stopped at a red light when a gang fight broke out around her car. A dude got thrown onto her hood and rolled up onto her windshield. She also watched a bunch of black 12 year olds curbstomp a white 12 year old. The place felt extremely unsafe and hostile and we had to move.
and yet it has a way lower crime rate than Detroit.
saying "You guys don't know what a REAL ghetto is" doesn't resolve Suu's sense that she's living in a dangerous place..
Ummm maybe you shouldn't respond directly to me if it isn't about something I actually said. Because I didn't comment on the crime rate in Providence, nor did I say anything about anyone living in a REAL ghetto. I didn't say anything about a ghetto at all.
And like I said, most regular people don't have a grand or more laying in their bank account to put up for first, last and security. Which was my actual point, that you may live in the neighborhood from hell with people getting shot on your front porch, but you can't move if you can't afford to move. It sucks, but's it's my reality. I'd love to be alone in that but I doubt I am.
Ummm maybe you shouldn't assume I was talking directly to you?
this is what I was responding to:
Quote from: First City Hustle on November 17, 2010, 05:18:17 PM
bah, you east coasters have just gotten soft and forgotten what REAL ghetto is.
hell, South Bronx is downright GENTRIFIED compared to what it was 15 years ago, as is much of Philly and half of Baltimore. Even most of DC can be walked around in.
You guys think that just because a place is old and run down-looking, it's dangerous, but I double-dog-dare any one of you to go spend a week in Stockton or Richmond or Lakewood or Albucrazy or El Paso.
Quote from: Niamh on November 17, 2010, 06:36:58 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on November 17, 2010, 06:14:05 PM
Quote from: Niamh on November 17, 2010, 06:04:04 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on November 17, 2010, 06:01:00 PM
if you feel unsafe, the relative murder rate isn't important
I don't think there are many people in the city who feel safe these days. Feeling safe or unsafe isn't going to change certain facts yanno?
what I'm saying is - providence may have less crime per capita than a lot of places, but if Suu is feeling unsafe, it's definitely a good idea to move.
I used to live in Yonkers, which is a wretched hive of scum and villainy. When I was dating DCup we heard a man get shot to death outside her apartment building. Years later, my girlfriend Chloe would be stopped at a red light when a gang fight broke out around her car. A dude got thrown onto her hood and rolled up onto her windshield. She also watched a bunch of black 12 year olds curbstomp a white 12 year old. The place felt extremely unsafe and hostile and we had to move.
and yet it has a way lower crime rate than Detroit.
saying "You guys don't know what a REAL ghetto is" doesn't resolve Suu's sense that she's living in a dangerous place..
Ummm maybe you shouldn't respond directly to me if it isn't about something I actually said. Because I didn't comment on the crime rate in Providence, nor did I say anything about anyone living in a REAL ghetto. I didn't say anything about a ghetto at all.
And like I said, most regular people don't have a grand or more laying in their bank account to put up for first, last and security. Which was my actual point, that you may live in the neighborhood from hell with people getting shot on your front porch, but you can't move if you can't afford to move. It sucks, but's it's my reality. I'd love to be alone in that but I doubt I am.
I think Cram was quoting you as a support statement. I've done that sort of thing from time to time myself.
Quote from: Triple Zero on November 17, 2010, 04:58:37 PM
I tried looking it up, also on urbandictionary, but I can't find it, what's a "ghetto shrine" ?
Remember CHEF D? "Bring a teddy bear for your ghetto shrine when you meet me at 15th and Minnah", et al.
Basically, when some kid gets shot on the street, their friends and family gather around that place on the sidewalk and place candles, flowers, dolls, and other knick knacks to commomorate their death. It lasts for a few days, and is eventually abandoned.
Freeky, our official murder rate is pretty low:
http://www.idcide.com/citydata/az/tucson.htm
It does not include people who don't turn up (in a desert, mind you). The figures given only include Tucson, not South Tucson, Marana, etc.
Phoenix, of course, is a hellhole:
http://www.idcide.com/citydata/az/phoenix.htm
Quote from: Cramulus on November 17, 2010, 06:43:29 PM
Ummm maybe you shouldn't assume I was talking directly to you?
this is what I was responding to:
Quote from: First City Hustle on November 17, 2010, 05:18:17 PM
bah, you east coasters have just gotten soft and forgotten what REAL ghetto is.
hell, South Bronx is downright GENTRIFIED compared to what it was 15 years ago, as is much of Philly and half of Baltimore. Even most of DC can be walked around in.
You guys think that just because a place is old and run down-looking, it's dangerous, but I double-dog-dare any one of you to go spend a week in Stockton or Richmond or Lakewood or Albucrazy or El Paso.
Then
maybe you should quote
that and
not me!!!!
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 17, 2010, 06:59:49 PM
Phoenix, of course, is a hellhole:
http://www.idcide.com/citydata/az/phoenix.htm
Yeah, I :lol: 'd at a brief blurb I saw on Wikipedia ...Phoenix officials are proud to report to the FBI 100 less murders than 2009... Or something like that.
Quote from: Niamh on November 17, 2010, 07:07:30 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on November 17, 2010, 06:43:29 PM
Ummm maybe you shouldn't assume I was talking directly to you?
this is what I was responding to:
Quote from: First City Hustle on November 17, 2010, 05:18:17 PM
bah, you east coasters have just gotten soft and forgotten what REAL ghetto is.
hell, South Bronx is downright GENTRIFIED compared to what it was 15 years ago, as is much of Philly and half of Baltimore. Even most of DC can be walked around in.
You guys think that just because a place is old and run down-looking, it's dangerous, but I double-dog-dare any one of you to go spend a week in Stockton or Richmond or Lakewood or Albucrazy or El Paso.
Then maybe you should quote that and not me!!!!
Chill. This is the way PD works.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on November 17, 2010, 07:11:24 PM
Quote from: Niamh on November 17, 2010, 07:07:30 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on November 17, 2010, 06:43:29 PM
Ummm maybe you shouldn't assume I was talking directly to you?
this is what I was responding to:
Quote from: First City Hustle on November 17, 2010, 05:18:17 PM
bah, you east coasters have just gotten soft and forgotten what REAL ghetto is.
hell, South Bronx is downright GENTRIFIED compared to what it was 15 years ago, as is much of Philly and half of Baltimore. Even most of DC can be walked around in.
You guys think that just because a place is old and run down-looking, it's dangerous, but I double-dog-dare any one of you to go spend a week in Stockton or Richmond or Lakewood or Albucrazy or El Paso.
Then maybe you should quote that and not me!!!!
Chill. This is the way PD works.
I'm not hot. I just made a statement, a comment was made quoting my statement saying things I had never said.
Fuck it I don't care!
Quote from: Doktor Blight on November 17, 2010, 06:51:35 PM
Quote from: Niamh on November 17, 2010, 06:36:58 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on November 17, 2010, 06:14:05 PM
Quote from: Niamh on November 17, 2010, 06:04:04 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on November 17, 2010, 06:01:00 PM
if you feel unsafe, the relative murder rate isn't important
I don't think there are many people in the city who feel safe these days. Feeling safe or unsafe isn't going to change certain facts yanno?
what I'm saying is - providence may have less crime per capita than a lot of places, but if Suu is feeling unsafe, it's definitely a good idea to move.
I used to live in Yonkers, which is a wretched hive of scum and villainy. When I was dating DCup we heard a man get shot to death outside her apartment building. Years later, my girlfriend Chloe would be stopped at a red light when a gang fight broke out around her car. A dude got thrown onto her hood and rolled up onto her windshield. She also watched a bunch of black 12 year olds curbstomp a white 12 year old. The place felt extremely unsafe and hostile and we had to move.
and yet it has a way lower crime rate than Detroit.
saying "You guys don't know what a REAL ghetto is" doesn't resolve Suu's sense that she's living in a dangerous place..
Ummm maybe you shouldn't respond directly to me if it isn't about something I actually said. Because I didn't comment on the crime rate in Providence, nor did I say anything about anyone living in a REAL ghetto. I didn't say anything about a ghetto at all.
And like I said, most regular people don't have a grand or more laying in their bank account to put up for first, last and security. Which was my actual point, that you may live in the neighborhood from hell with people getting shot on your front porch, but you can't move if you can't afford to move. It sucks, but's it's my reality. I'd love to be alone in that but I doubt I am.
I think Cram was quoting you as a support statement. I've done that sort of thing from time to time myself.
Bump.
I think we're all over it already, but if we were to diagram it out, it would look like this
ECH Makes Comment
Cram replies to that comment
Niamh replies to cram's comment
Cram replies to Niamh's comment by clarifying his original point
Niamh is confused as to why Cram is including her in his response to ECH
these things happen
Quote from: Niamh on November 17, 2010, 07:07:30 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on November 17, 2010, 06:43:29 PM
Ummm maybe you shouldn't assume I was talking directly to you?
this is what I was responding to:
Quote from: First City Hustle on November 17, 2010, 05:18:17 PM
bah, you east coasters have just gotten soft and forgotten what REAL ghetto is.
hell, South Bronx is downright GENTRIFIED compared to what it was 15 years ago, as is much of Philly and half of Baltimore. Even most of DC can be walked around in.
You guys think that just because a place is old and run down-looking, it's dangerous, but I double-dog-dare any one of you to go spend a week in Stockton or Richmond or Lakewood or Albucrazy or El Paso.
Then maybe you should quote that and not me!!!!
CHILLAX AND LEARN2FORUM.
Quote from: Cramulus on November 17, 2010, 05:23:36 PM
FUCK YOU MY GHETTO IS WAY MORE DANGEROUS THAN YOUR GHETTO
For the record, I was not comparing my "Ghetto" (Portland doesn't have any real ghettoes,and I live in a nice neighborhood) I was just startled that what she described was considered noteworthy there, because I've always heard that the East Coast was so rough. By all means, if she's uncomfortable and there are better options, she should move.
ANYWAY
I've done time in two different seedy places, violent neighborhoods in Yonkers and Albany. My original justification for living in those places was that the cheap cost of living allowed me to have a pretty cool apartment in trade for a shitty neighborhood.
And in both cases, when I moved out, I found places that were comparably priced and did not make me feel like I needed to carry a weapon. I'm living in a really beautiful little village right now and paying LESS rent than when I was living in Yonkers. It took a lot of hunting, and living here engenders other compromises, but the moral of the story is that there are alternatives. and IMO a longer commute is a small price to pay to live in a place that doesn't stress you out.
Quote from: Cramulus on November 17, 2010, 06:14:05 PM
Quote from: Niamh on November 17, 2010, 06:04:04 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on November 17, 2010, 06:01:00 PM
if you feel unsafe, the relative murder rate isn't important
I don't think there are many people in the city who feel safe these days. Feeling safe or unsafe isn't going to change certain facts yanno?
what I'm saying is - providence may have less crime per capita than a lot of places, but if Suu is feeling unsafe, it's definitely a good idea to move.
I used to live in Yonkers, which is a wretched hive of scum and villainy. When I was dating DCup we heard a man get shot to death outside her apartment building. Years later, my girlfriend Chloe would be stopped at a red light when a gang fight broke out around her car. A dude got thrown onto her hood and rolled up onto her windshield. She also watched a bunch of black 12 year olds curbstomp a white 12 year old. The place felt extremely unsafe and hostile and we had to move.
and yet it has a way lower crime rate than Detroit.
saying "You guys don't know what a REAL ghetto is" doesn't resolve Suu's sense that she's living in a dangerous place..
I believe my first post ITT was to advise her to get a CCW permit. I mean, you can keep running from "feeling unsafe" but that shit is gonna catch up to you anywhere you go, eventually, unless you decide to turn into one of those hermits living in a hut on a mountain. Better to make sure you can defend yourself appropriately no matter where you are.
Let's face it, this isn't gonna be a good decade for the faint of heart.
Quote from: Freeky on November 17, 2010, 06:16:54 PM
Quote from: First City Hustle on November 17, 2010, 05:38:58 PM
Quote from: Suu on November 17, 2010, 04:43:02 PM
Oh GOD.
Yeah, I don't know how the murder rate stays so low in Providence, we only get like 40-50 a year, which surprised the shit out of me when I moved up here, because in St. Petersburg if someone wasn't shot at least every day, then it was a good week. Tampa was about the same.
I assume it's probably because there's police EVERYWHERE. GS got all excited one day when he saw some beat cops we had walking around at night. Holding batons and everything, full on classic uniform...
Providence had 24 murders in 2009, 8 of which were domestic violence homicides. This was the highest number of murders in Providence since 2000. St. Petersburg had 22 and Tampa had 20.
Methinks thou dost exaggerate.
Say, where'd you get your info? I'm trying to find stats on Tucson, out of curiosity.
I used this amazing new website (http://www.google.com) to find that info.
I did, and was unable to find current information. :/
No worries anymore, I got told a site.
http://www.10tv.com/live/content/local/stories/2009/09/08/story_shooter_update.html
See all the police cars? I could spit on them they were close enough. I had SWAT and police with M-16s telling me to get back in my house for fear of random bullets...
I need to move too.
Honestly, thanks PD.com! This thread reassures me that sometimes renting space from relatives doesn't seem quite so lame...
If I was in a place I could "afford," I would live in a shithole because college students with far too much disposable income and post-industrial provincial elites suck up all the decent housing in my area. And living farther away would mean I'd have to commute to work, which would add up very quickly. Maybe I could live in the attic of an elderly, affluent couple nearer my job, but for that option to even exist intense local connections are a necessity. Decent housing can be hard to find, especially if you're in a place that isn't good for walking or public transit. My parents have told me flat out that they'd give me rent money before they'd let me live in certain local neighborhoods, and believe me, I'm grateful. Living with family may drive me nuts, but it's better than getting shot.
I think that while cases of random violence tend to be sensationalized and hyped up in the media, the truth is that the vast majority of murders are either domestic violence-related or drug and/or gang-related. In other words, even in a total shithole if you're not involved in shady shit you probably don't have much to worry about.
Living in a crime infested shithole is awesome because I have a really lovely 1 bedroom apartment that I pay almost nothing for. And really, it's only bad neighborhood adjacent. Of course, the bad neighborhood it's adjacent to is the one I grew up in, which has either declined drastically in 15 years or I was one oblivious little kid. :)
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on November 18, 2010, 02:02:29 AM
Living in a crime infested shithole is awesome because I have a really lovely 1 bedroom apartment that I pay almost nothing for. And really, it's only bad neighborhood adjacent. Of course, the bad neighborhood it's adjacent to is the one I grew up in, which has either declined drastically in 15 years or I was one oblivious little kid. :)
Yeah, paying $525 a month with EVERYTHING included
is convenient...but I planned this to only be a temporary thing. Unfortunately it became more permanent and I've been here since March. Since then, I've spent $100's more in public transportation than I used to, I live next to 3 class 3 kiddie diddlers in the halfway house next door, I come home from work or class off the bus and stepping into middle school fights at the public library across the street, get approached as a prostitute as least every other night so I've been carrying the KABAR that Richter gave me, um...I got bedbugs, and now there's finally been an armed circumstance waaaay too close for comfort, I mean really guys, I'm talking 10 yards from my damn front door. I would take the screaming sirens of Federal Hill at 3am again waaaaay over this. I'd rather go live in the Bucket again with the Z's, but they have an exchange student this year. They may have been batshit crazy and drove me off the wall, but at least I was
safe.
Sure, I've got my 2nd degree black belt, and there's a jujitsu master that lives on the first floor, but last I checked, hands and feet don't stand up too well against a 9mm. I did have a CCW permit, which I could easily renew, but at the same time, I don't exactly have the funds to invest in a new firearm either, as my weapon is in Florida.
My parents have reiterated that the next time they help me pay for a move, it will be to Florida, so, as the good parents they are, they're letting me fend for myself. Even my dad, who isn't happy with the news said straight up, "Well, you made the conscious decision to live there. Now you need to make another decision to leave."
Ugh, I should have moved last month.
That's shitty Suu.
I hope you can get out of there soon.
Quote from: Net on November 18, 2010, 03:25:12 AM
That's shitty Suu.
I hope you can get out of there soon.
Agreed.
By crime infested shithole I meant my city, not my neighborhood, which is actually quite nice. When I was looking for apartments, my stepmother's friend showed me a place he owned on the other end of town. Turns out he's a slumlord. Not a fan of that dude.
I have family in Providence, if I happen to hear of any places near them opening up would you like me to keep you in mind? (They are renters themselves, not slumlords like the guy mentioned above.)
Quote from: geekdad on November 18, 2010, 12:49:36 AM
http://www.10tv.com/live/content/local/stories/2009/09/08/story_shooter_update.html
See all the police cars? I could spit on them they were close enough. I had SWAT and police with M-16s telling me to get back in my house for fear of random bullets...
I need to move too.
OK, first of all...what the fuck is a "souped up" AK-47? :lol:
Second of all, died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound, my ass.
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on November 18, 2010, 03:36:41 AM
Quote from: Net on November 18, 2010, 03:25:12 AM
That's shitty Suu.
I hope you can get out of there soon.
Agreed.
By crime infested shithole I meant my city, not my neighborhood, which is actually quite nice. When I was looking for apartments, my stepmother's friend showed me a place he owned on the other end of town. Turns out he's a slumlord. Not a fan of that dude.
I have family in Providence, if I happen to hear of any places near them opening up would you like me to keep you in mind? (They are renters themselves, not slumlords like the guy mentioned above.)
Depends on where in Providence. I'm picky. Lol. Federal Hill or Eastside only...this is mostly for transportation purposes, since it's hard for me to take a bus home after a late class if they don't run, and I can walk to the hills. If my tax refund is enough this year I maybe...just maybe...become a car owner for the first time in 8 years.
Quote from: First City Hustle on November 18, 2010, 04:42:23 AM
Second of all, died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound, my ass.
BAZING! :rimshot:
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on November 17, 2010, 06:52:34 PM
Quote from: Triple Zero on November 17, 2010, 04:58:37 PM
I tried looking it up, also on urbandictionary, but I can't find it, what's a "ghetto shrine" ?
Remember CHEF D? "Bring a teddy bear for your ghetto shrine when you meet me at 15th and Minnah", et al.
Yeah but I didn't get it then either :)
QuoteBasically, when some kid gets shot on the street, their friends and family gather around that place on the sidewalk and place candles, flowers, dolls, and other knick knacks to commomorate their death. It lasts for a few days, and is eventually abandoned.
Ah okay, that makes sense. We have those too btw, usually for victims of "senseless violence" (meaning when someone gets kicked to death for pretty much no reason--fortunately in the 12 years living in this city that only happened once, as far as I know of. And it was a stabbing, IIRC).
My own guess would have been maybe it would be the chalk outline of a body (do they actually do that btw? or only in the movies?) or a bloodstain on the pavement or something.
If I look at the website that shows how many convicted sex offenders live around here, I'd probably get paranoid. If I looked at the stats of how many girls under 18 have died around here after being attacked, kidnapped and raped since I moved to this area, I'd definitely be paranoid. But then, I'm in suburbian hell, and this is where danger breeds in silence under cover of darkness, not with garish flashing lights and the rending of the night air with sirens going in all directions. If there's a chopper overhead, it's less likely it's a "ghettobird" and more likely it's a military exercise/news chopper covering the rush-hour traffic.
I think it's just always best to be AWARE of where you are, at all times. And if you feel at all unsafe, it's good to move. Just for piece of mind. Life's too short for otherwise.
I look at the crime map pretty regularly, just to keep tabs.
At this moment, I would like to mention that because of the way they do their color-coding, it makes it look as if there have been over 500 crimes at my house alone in the last four years. :lulz:
oh, that PDX crime map is quite lulzy. Especially along 82nd.
Quote from: geekdad on November 18, 2010, 12:49:36 AM
http://www.10tv.com/live/content/local/stories/2009/09/08/story_shooter_update.html
See all the police cars? I could spit on them they were close enough. I had SWAT and police with M-16s telling me to get back in my house for fear of random bullets...
I need to move too.
WHY ARE YOU IN MY CITY GET OUT :argh!:
also, you live way too close for comfort. DONT SNEAK UP ON ME :argh!:
also, are you one of those nerds i see running around the park of roses with your swords? :lol:
Quote from: First City Hustle on November 19, 2010, 05:47:35 AM
oh, that PDX crime map is quite lulzy. Especially along 82nd.
Seriously, the weirdest thing to me is that since I moved in there have been NO reported rapes in what was formerly the rapiest neighborhood in NE. When we bought the house I was a little nervous about moving next to Rape Park, and there had been four rapes in the prior year but... nothing. Not one.
Quote from: ☂ Kim Jong Fred ☂ on November 19, 2010, 06:20:33 AM
also, are you one of those nerds i see running around the park of roses with your swords? :lol:
Don't be hatin'. :genius: