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QuoteLONDON – WikiLeaks' next release will be seven times the size of the Iraq war logs, already the biggest leak in U.S. intelligence history, the website said Monday.

The organization made the announcement in a brief message posted to its followers on Twitter, giving no information about the content of the coming release or its exact timing — although it did refer to "the coming months" in a separate tweet sent about an hour later.

Although the website has been spilling secrets for years, WikiLeaks shot to international prominence this year with a three leaks. One exposed a classified U.S. helicopter video that appears to show an attack on two Reuters employees and other civilians. The second made public 77,000 ground-level U.S. intelligence files covering the war in Afghanistan. The third put out 400,000 more such files exposing the daily grind of attacks, detentions and interrogations in Iraq.

Although it isn't clear what WikiLeaks is planning to release next, it allegedly has a huge cache of classified U.S. State Department cables whose publication could give a behind-the-scenes look at American diplomacy around the world.

In the message, the site also said it was under "intense pressure" over the imminent release — a possible reference to WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange's legal problems in Sweden, where he is wanted for alleged sexual misconduct. It could also be a reference to the constant pressure Assange says is being applied to the website's servers, security, and finances.

Quote from: Doktor Blight on November 22, 2010, 09:09:58 PM
Wouldn't be wise for the US to off him. It will be obvious that the US killed a civilian and a citizen of an ally government.

Quote from: Sigmatic on November 22, 2010, 09:32:57 PM
Interesting.  Being such a desirable assassination target that being killed would be suspect, no matter what the circumstances.

Refuge in audacity. :lulz:

Quote from: Sigmatic on November 23, 2010, 03:54:27 AM
Is there any validity to those claims?  Is it possible that it's a smear tactic?

Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on November 23, 2010, 04:30:05 AM
If by possible you mean glaringly obvious.

The last time he went to court over them the charges were lowered to Sexual harassment due to lack of evidence. Then those charges were lowered to Emotional Abuse due to lack of evidence. Then he was found not guilty of emotional abuse.

QuoteUK Government has issued a "D-notice" warning to all UK news editors, asking to be briefed on upcoming WikiLeaks stories.

QuoteUS briefs Russia over embassy cables according to Moscow press.

QuoteUS briefs Iraq, Turkey over embassy cables according to AFP, Turkish media

QuoteUS officials referred to Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin as an "Alpha Male,"

QuoteClashes with Europe over human rights: American officials sharply warned Germany in 2007 not to enforce arrest warrants for Central Intelligence Agency officers involved in a bungled operation in which an innocent German citizen with the same name as a suspected militant was mistakenly kidnapped and held for months in Afghanistan. A senior American diplomat told a German official "that our intention was not to threaten Germany, but rather to urge that the German government weigh carefully at every step of the way the implications for relations with the U.S."

QuoteNorth Korea's Kim Jong-il is a "flabby old chap" suffering from trauma from a stroke, while Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is referred to as "Hitler".

South Africa's international relations and cooperation minister refers to President Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe as "the crazy old man".

Quote from: VPeople shouldn't be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people.

Quote from: Telarus on November 28, 2010, 11:04:58 PM
Agreed, Peleus. Too bad their too late.

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 28, 2010, 11:06:11 PM
You just made Queen Elizabeth II cry.  Bastard.

Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on November 28, 2010, 11:05:50 PM
Yo wikileaks Im real happy for you, ima let you finish but BP had one of the best leaks of all time.
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(http://i53.tinypic.com/5l6ww1.jpg)

Quote from: ϗ on November 28, 2010, 10:40:04 PM
I love shit like this.  :lulz:

Quote from: ϗ on November 28, 2010, 10:56:37 PM
Oh man, Cain, you must be LOVING this!

Quote from: Pentagon Papers whistleblower Daniel Ellsberghttp://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-06-11/daniel-ellsberg-wikileaks-julian-assange-in-danger/

... any serious risk to that national security is extremely low. There may be 260,000 diplomatic cables. It's very hard to think of any of that which could be plausibly described as a national security risk. Will it embarrass diplomatic relationships? Sure, very likely—all to the good of our democratic functioning ... [Wikileaks] has not yet put out anything that hurt anybody's national security.

... having read a hell of a lot of diplomatic cables, I would confidently make the judgment that very little, less than one percent, one percent perhaps, can honestly be said to endanger national security. That's distinct [from the percentage that could cause] embarrassment—very serious embarrassment, [if people] realize that we are aware of highly murderous and corrupt operations by people and that we are supporting them. It is very seriously embarrassing..If the choice is between putting none of them out, as the State Department would like, and putting all of them out, I definitely feel our national security would be improved if they were put out. Between those two choices, I would rather see them all of them out. It would help understand our own foreign policy and give us the chance to improve it democratically. I hope they are out, I hope we get to see them.

Quote from: Roger Cressey, former US cyber security and counterterrorism officialThis is pretty devastating. The essence of our foreign policy is our ability to talk straight and honest with our foreign counterparts and to keep those conversations out of the public domain. This massive leak puts that most basic of diplomatic requirements at risk in the future.

Think of relations with Saudi Arabia, Yemen and Afghanistan, governments who we need to work with us in defeating al-Qaeda. Their performance has been uneven in the past, for a variety of reasons, but this kind of leak will seriously hinder our ability to persuade these governments to support our counterterrorism priorities in the future.

Whoever was behind this leak should be shot and I would volunteer to pull the trigger.

Quote from: Adjective Noun on November 29, 2010, 05:25:45 PM
Relevant to this thread - WIKILEAKS was last night accused of putting lives at risk after destroying an Afghan village with an unmanned drone (http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/international/unmanned-wikileaks-drone-destroys-afghan-village-201011293295/)

Quote from: Cain on November 29, 2010, 07:46:01 AM
Actually, you know....looking over the headlines of this, nothing of real importance has been leaked.  Sure, this is an embarassment, a slap in the face for the USA....but what really have we learnt?  The CIA has kidnap squads in Europe?  Known that since 2007.  That Kim Jong-il isn't in great health?  Dude never looked healthy in the first place.  That the USA and UK spied on the UN?   A GCHQ whistleblower revealed that in 2003, after the Iraq War got underway.  Most of this could've been cribbed from the international pages of any major daily newspaper.

For all the scrambling and honest panic on the faces of the State Department stooges, I was hoping something on a par with the Pentagon Papers was going to be released.  But apparently not.

The strategic implications of this are rather interesting, but I'll save those for once I get back from school.

Quote from: Sigmatic on November 23, 2010, 03:54:27 AM
Is there any validity to those claims?  Is it possible that it's a smear tactic?

Quote from: Hover Cat on November 30, 2010, 01:34:14 AM
One which seems to working...I just listened to my mother natter on about how bad of a person he is after she read an article on him.

QuoteIn contrast to the potential hostility from U.S. allies, leftist-run Ecuador provided Assange with an invitation Monday.
Deputy Foreign Minister Kintto Lucas said in audio posted online by the EcuadorInmediato news site that "we are open to giving him residence in Ecuador, without any kind of trouble and without any kind of conditions."
"We think it would be important not only to converse with him but to listen to him," Lucas added, saying Ecuador wanted to invite Assange to "freely expound" and see what it's like in "friendly countries."

Quote from: Cramulus on November 30, 2010, 04:32:05 PM
:link: Wikileaks for 11/30 (http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/reldate/2010-11-30_0.html)

by clicking this link, you are going on a list. 

Quote from: Sister Fracture on November 30, 2010, 04:35:08 PM
This knowledge is practically the same thing as "DO NOT CLICK ON THIS LINK EVER"

Cram you, Damnulous! :argh!:

Quote from: Da6s on November 30, 2010, 02:05:52 AM
The only thing that comes to mind regarding Asange is these guys:


(http://goteaminternet.com/img/docs/51015.jpg)

Quote from: Triple Zero on November 30, 2010, 04:40:46 PM
Are those from Hackers or from Johnny Mnemonic ?

Quote from: Cramulus on November 30, 2010, 04:32:05 PM
:link: Wikileaks for 11/30 (http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/reldate/2010-11-30_0.html)

by clicking this link, you are going on a list. 

Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on November 30, 2010, 06:04:53 PM

Quote from: Triple Zero on November 30, 2010, 04:40:46 PM
Are those from Hackers or from Johnny Mnemonic ?

Hack the Planet guys from Hackers.

QuoteTime's Joe Klein writes this about the WikiLeaks disclosures:

QuoteI am tremendously concernced [sic] about the puerile eruptions of Julian Assange. . . . If a single foreign national is rounded up and put in jail because of a leaked cable, this entire, anarchic exercise in "freedom" stands as a human disaster. Assange is a criminal. He's the one who should be in jail.

Do you have that principle down?  If "a single foreign national is rounded up and put in jail" because of the WikiLeaks disclosure -- even a "single one" -- then the entire WikiLeaks enterprise is proven to be a "disaster" and "Assange is a criminal" who "should be in jail."  That's quite a rigorous moral standard.  So let's apply it elsewhere:

What about the most destructive "anarchic exercise in 'freedom'" the planet has known for at least a generation:  the "human disaster" known as the attack on Iraq, which Klein supported?  That didn't result in the imprisonment of "a single foreign national," but rather the deaths of more than 100,000 innocent human beings, the displacement of millions more, and the destruction of a country of 26 million people.  Are those who supported that "anarchic exercise in 'freedom'" -- or at least those responsible for its execution -- also "criminals who should be in jail"? 

How about the multiple journalists and other human beings whom the U.S. Government imprisoned (and continues to imprison) for years without charges  -- and tortured -- including many whom the Government knew were completely innocent, while Klein assured the world that wasn't happening?  How about those responsible for the war in Afghanistan (which Klein supports) with its checkpoint shootings of an "amazing number" of innocent Afghans and civilian slaughtering air strikes, or the use of cluster bombs in Yemen, or the civilian killing drones in Pakistan?  Are those responsible for the sky-high corpses of innocent people from these actions also "criminals who should be in jail"?

I'm not singling out Klein here; his commentary is merely illustrative of what I'm finding truly stunning about the increasingly bloodthirsty two-minute hate session aimed at Julian Assange, also known as the new Osama bin Laden.  The ringleaders of this hate ritual are advocates of -- and in some cases directly responsible for -- the world's deadliest and most lawless actions of the last decade.  And they're demanding Assange's imprisonment, or his blood, in service of a Government that has perpetrated all of these abuses and, more so, to preserve a Wall of Secrecy which has enabled them.  To accomplish that, they're actually advocating -- somehow with a straight face -- the theory that if a single innocent person is harmed by these disclosures, then it proves that Assange and WikiLeaks are evil monsters who deserve the worst fates one can conjure, all while they devote themselves to protecting and defending a secrecy regime that spawns at least as much human suffering and disaster as any single other force in the world.  That is what the secrecy regime of the permanent National Security State has spawned.

Meanwhile, in the real world (as opposed to the world of speculation, fantasy, and fear-mongering) there is no evidence -- zero -- that the WikiLeaks disclosures have harmed a single person.  As McClatchy reported, they have exercised increasing levels of caution to protect innocent people.  Even Robert Gates disdained hysterical warnings about the damage caused as "significantly overwrought."  But look at what WikiLeaks has revealed to the world:

We viscerally saw the grotesque realities of our war in Iraq with the Apache attack video on innocent civilians and journalists in Baghdad -- and their small children -- as they desperately scurried for cover.  We recently learned that the U.S. government adopted a formal policy of refusing to investigate the systematic human rights abuses of our new Iraqi client state, all of which took place under our deliberately blind eye.  We learned of 15,000 additional civilian deaths caused by the war in Iraq that we didn't know of before.  We learned -- as documented by The Washington Post's former Baghdad Bureau Chief -- how clear, deliberate and extensive were the lies of top Bush officials about that war as it was unfolding:  "Thanks to WikiLeaks, though, I now know the extent to which top American leaders lied, knowingly, to the American public," she wrote.

In this latest WikiLeaks release -- probably the least informative of them all, at least so far -- we learned a great deal as well.  Juan Cole today details the 10 most important revelations about the Middle East.  Scott Horton examines the revelation that the State Department pressured and bullied Germany out of criminally investigating the CIA's kidnapping of one of their citizens who turned out to be completely innocent.  The head of the Bank of England got caught interfering in British politics to induce harsher austerity measures in violation of his duty to remain apolitical and removed from the political process, a scandal resulting in calls for his resignation.  British officials, while pretending to conduct a sweeping investigation into the Iraq War, were privately pledging to protect Bush officials from embarrassing disclosures.  Hillary Clinton's State Department ordered U.N. diplomats to collect passwords, emails, and biometric data in order to spy on top U.N. officials and others, likely in violation of the Vienna Treaty of 1961 (see Articles 27 and 30; and, believe me, I know:  it's just "law," nothing any Serious person believes should constrain our great leaders).

Do WikiLeaks critics believe it'd be best if all that were kept secret, if we remained ignorant of it, if the world's most powerful factions could continue to hide things like that?  Apparently.  When Joe Klein and his media comrades calling for Assange's head start uncovering even a fraction of secret government conduct this important, then they'll have credibility to complain about WikiLeaks' "excessive commitment to disclosure."  But that will never happen.

One could respond that it's good that we know these specific things, but not other things WikiLeaks has released.  That's all well and good; as I've said several times, there are reasonable concerns about some specific disclosures here.  But in the real world, this ideal, perfectly calibrated subversion of the secrecy regime doesn't exist.  WikiLeaks is it.  We have occasional investigative probes of isolated government secrets coming from establishment media outlets (the illegal NSA program, the CIA black sites, the Pentagon propaganda program), along with transparency groups such as the ACLU, CCR, EPIC and EFF valiantly battling through protracted litigation to uncover secrets.  But nothing comes close to the blows WikiLeaks has struck in undermining that regime.

The real-world alternative to the current iteration of WikiLeaks is not The Perfect Wikileaks that makes perfect judgments about what should and should not be disclosed, but rather, the ongoing, essentially unchallenged hegemony of the permanent National Security State, for which secrecy is the first article of faith and prime weapon

QuoteOn CNN last night, Wolf Blitzer was beside himself with rage over the fact that the U.S. Government had failed to keep all these things secret from him

Quote from: Cramulus on December 01, 2010, 09:17:19 PM
I predict we are about to see a spectacular demonstration of the Streisand effect.

Quote from: Sigmatic on December 01, 2010, 10:26:46 PM
No no, this is a huge deal.  You can't go around publishing the honest opinions of diplomats.

Quote from: BDS on December 01, 2010, 08:59:42 PM
Amazon were under massive political pressure, I'd imagine. I don't reallyyyy blame them, they are after all a company and not a site purporting to be anything other than that, but it would have been cool to see them standing up to government pressure.

Quote from: Cain on December 01, 2010, 09:15:22 PM
Julian Assange "commits suicide" in a cell, or suffers a fatal mugging, or is involved in a nasty car crash...other Wikileaks staff report being followed, strange phone calls, have their places broken into...political pressure is put on Wikileaks financial backers, and the venture folds.

Quote from: Requia ☣ on December 01, 2010, 11:16:39 PM

Quote from: BDS on December 01, 2010, 08:59:42 PM
Amazon were under massive political pressure, I'd imagine. I don't reallyyyy blame them, they are after all a company and not a site purporting to be anything other than that, but it would have been cool to see them standing up to government pressure.

I do, this isn't exactly a first offense for Amazon.

QuoteIf Amazon are so uncomfortable with the first amendment, they should get out of the business of selling books.

QuoteThe US struck its first blow against WikiLeaks after Amazon.com pulled the plug on hosting the whistleblowing website in reaction to heavy political pressure.

The company announced it was cutting WikiLeaks off yesterday only 24 hours after being contacted by the staff of Joe Lieberman, chairman of the Senate's committee on homeland security. . . .

While freedom of speech is a sensitive issue in the US, scope for a full-blown row is limited, given that Democrats and Republicans will largely applaud Amazon's move. . . .

The question is whether he was acting on his own or pressed to do so by the Obama administration, and how much pressure was applied to Amazon. . . .

Lieberman said: "[Amazon's] decision to cut off WikiLeaks now is the right decision and should set the standard for other companies WikiLeaks is using to distribute its illegally seized material. I call on any other company or organisation that is hosting WikiLeaks to immediately terminate its relationship with them."

The department of homeland security confirmed Amazon's move, referring journalists to Lieberman's statement.

Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on December 02, 2010, 02:25:17 PM
not sure if this made the rounds yet:

Tom Flanagan (who? oh, Canada, well then, nevermind) called for the assassination of Wikileaks director Julian Assange. On CBS News. On Live TV

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqtIafdoH_g

Quote from: Doktor Blight on December 02, 2010, 03:33:30 PM

Huckabee called for his execution.

Edit--on the grounds of treason. Wait, isn't he Australian?

Quote from: Triple Zero on December 02, 2010, 04:17:32 PM
Damn. So does Canada have a death penalty?

Quote from: Cain on December 02, 2010, 04:28:02 PM
Loads of people are calling for Assange to be executed for treason, assassinated or treated like an "enemy combatant", especially in the US.

I still think the Lieberman thing is creepy though.  China blocks off Wikileaks through the "Great Firewall", the US tries to do it by sending its chief thug round to ask "what the fuck are you guys doing?"

Quote from: Triple Zero on December 02, 2010, 04:17:32 PM
Damn. So does Canada have a death penalty? (I mean, or is it culture to call for people's death on TV)

Quote from: Remington on December 02, 2010, 05:43:09 PM

Quote from: Triple Zero on December 02, 2010, 04:17:32 PM
Damn. So does Canada have a death penalty? (I mean, or is it culture to call for people's death on TV)

Any offense that would earn a death sentence in the States is instead punished with lifetime solitary confinement in a 5x5 cell that has Celene Dion and Maritime Polka music playing 24/7.

Quote from: Doktor Blight on December 02, 2010, 05:43:57 PM

Quote from: Remington on December 02, 2010, 05:43:09 PM

Quote from: Triple Zero on December 02, 2010, 04:17:32 PM
Damn. So does Canada have a death penalty? (I mean, or is it culture to call for people's death on TV)

Any offense that would earn a death sentence in the States is instead punished with lifetime solitary confinement in a 5x5 cell that has Celene Dion and Maritime Polka music playing 24/7.

Death penalty is more humane.

Quote from: Cain on December 02, 2010, 12:58:16 PM
Amazon pulled their support 24 hours after being contacted by Joe Lieberman

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/dec/01/wikileaks-website-cables-servers-amazon

QuoteThe US struck its first blow against WikiLeaks after Amazon.com pulled the plug on hosting the whistleblowing website in reaction to heavy political pressure.

The company announced it was cutting WikiLeaks off yesterday only 24 hours after being contacted by the staff of Joe Lieberman, chairman of the Senate's committee on homeland security. . . .

While freedom of speech is a sensitive issue in the US, scope for a full-blown row is limited, given that Democrats and Republicans will largely applaud Amazon's move. . . .

The question is whether he was acting on his own or pressed to do so by the Obama administration, and how much pressure was applied to Amazon. . . .

Lieberman said: "[Amazon's] decision to cut off WikiLeaks now is the right decision and should set the standard for other companies WikiLeaks is using to distribute its illegally seized material. I call on any other company or organisation that is hosting WikiLeaks to immediately terminate its relationship with them."

The department of homeland security confirmed Amazon's move, referring journalists to Lieberman's statement.

QuoteWednesday afternoon, Tableau Software removed data visualizations published by WikiLeaks to Tableau Public. We understand this is a sensitive issue and want to assure the public and our users that this was not an easy decision, nor one that we took lightly. . . .

Our decision to remove the data from our servers came in response to a public request by Senator Joe Lieberman, who chairs the Senate Homeland Security Committee, when he called for organizations hosting WikiLeaks to terminate their relationship with the website.

QuoteI just spoke with the creator of the "visualizations":  a British freelance journalist named James Ball.  The only thing these "visualizations" are were charts summarizing the material released by WikiLeaks (for instance, the charts counted the documents which originated from each country, the number of documents by year, and the like).  These charts contained no classified information whatsoever, and disclosed nothing about the content of the cables.  It was the completely innocuous work of a freelance journalist to inform the public about the categories of documents released.  Those charts were then linked to from the WikiLeaks site, but hosted separately by Tableau.

Quote from: Charley Brown on December 02, 2010, 11:13:43 PM
Except Assange isn't an American.

Quote from: Requia ☣ on December 03, 2010, 04:40:28 AM
Are they really that dumb, or do they just expect people to buy that?  The feds don't have copyrights.

Quote from: Cain on December 03, 2010, 01:56:13 AM
Lieberman is on a roll:

http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/12/02/latest-updates-on-leak-of-u-s-cables-day-5/#liebermans-objections-cause-wikileaks-more-problems

QuoteWednesday afternoon, Tableau Software removed data visualizations published by WikiLeaks to Tableau Public. We understand this is a sensitive issue and want to assure the public and our users that this was not an easy decision, nor one that we took lightly. . . .

Our decision to remove the data from our servers came in response to a public request by Senator Joe Lieberman, who chairs the Senate Homeland Security Committee, when he called for organizations hosting WikiLeaks to terminate their relationship with the website.

But wait, it gets better!

http://feeds.salon.com/~r/salon/greenwald/~3/4BwLvyHgyFM/censorship

QuoteI just spoke with the creator of the "visualizations":  a British freelance journalist named James Ball.  The only thing these "visualizations" are were charts summarizing the material released by WikiLeaks (for instance, the charts counted the documents which originated from each country, the number of documents by year, and the like).  These charts contained no classified information whatsoever, and disclosed nothing about the content of the cables.  It was the completely innocuous work of a freelance journalist to inform the public about the categories of documents released.  Those charts were then linked to from the WikiLeaks site, but hosted separately by Tableau.

QuoteMr Putin said that suggestions in a US briefing that he was ''Batman'' and the President, Dmitri Medvedev, played the role of ''Robin'' in the Russian government, was intended ''to slander one of us''.

Quote from: ☄ · · · N E T · · · ☄ on December 03, 2010, 11:33:25 AM

Quote from: Cain on December 03, 2010, 01:56:13 AM
Lieberman is on a roll:

http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/12/02/latest-updates-on-leak-of-u-s-cables-day-5/#liebermans-objections-cause-wikileaks-more-problems

QuoteWednesday afternoon, Tableau Software removed data visualizations published by WikiLeaks to Tableau Public. We understand this is a sensitive issue and want to assure the public and our users that this was not an easy decision, nor one that we took lightly. . . .

Our decision to remove the data from our servers came in response to a public request by Senator Joe Lieberman, who chairs the Senate Homeland Security Committee, when he called for organizations hosting WikiLeaks to terminate their relationship with the website.

But wait, it gets better!

http://feeds.salon.com/~r/salon/greenwald/~3/4BwLvyHgyFM/censorship

QuoteI just spoke with the creator of the "visualizations":  a British freelance journalist named James Ball.  The only thing these "visualizations" are were charts summarizing the material released by WikiLeaks (for instance, the charts counted the documents which originated from each country, the number of documents by year, and the like).  These charts contained no classified information whatsoever, and disclosed nothing about the content of the cables.  It was the completely innocuous work of a freelance journalist to inform the public about the categories of documents released.  Those charts were then linked to from the WikiLeaks site, but hosted separately by Tableau.

Here it is (I rotated it for your viewing pleasure):

http://i.imgur.com/G0FZG.png

:omg:

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 03, 2010, 07:14:38 PM
GO JULIAN GO!

Quote from: Charley Brown on December 03, 2010, 07:17:13 PM

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 03, 2010, 07:14:38 PM
GO JULIAN GO!

I don't know if this is going to end well for him.

Quote from: Nigel on December 03, 2010, 07:22:52 PM
He's doomed. I'm sad.

Quote from: Charley Brown on December 03, 2010, 07:29:00 PM
Because of all of this he may very well be the last one ever.

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 03, 2010, 07:31:53 PM

Quote from: Charley Brown on December 03, 2010, 07:29:00 PM
Because of all of this he may very well be the last one ever.

I disagree.

Shove down hard enough, and the weird shit pops up between your fingers and takes off like a bat out of hell.

I don't think there'll be another one just like him, but expect more of this sort of thing as the vice tightens.

Quote from: Charley Brown on December 03, 2010, 07:34:58 PM

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 03, 2010, 07:31:53 PM

Quote from: Charley Brown on December 03, 2010, 07:29:00 PM
Because of all of this he may very well be the last one ever.

I disagree.

Shove down hard enough, and the weird shit pops up between your fingers and takes off like a bat out of hell.

I don't think there'll be another one just like him, but expect more of this sort of thing as the vice tightens.

I hope you are right.

He needs to go hide with Bin Laden, that fucker knows how to hide.

Quote from: Charley Brown on December 03, 2010, 08:24:38 PM
It's almost like the British would rather allow the leaks to come out than to arrest him. I hope that is the case.

Quote from: Cain on December 03, 2010, 08:32:14 PM

Quote from: Charley Brown on December 03, 2010, 08:24:38 PM
It's almost like the British would rather allow the leaks to come out than to arrest him. I hope that is the case.

Doubt it.  Our police just aren't as far gone into mindless authoritarianism yet.  They'll do the paperwork, do it properly, and then arrest him and extradite him to Sweden where, most likely, after a few weeks the charges will be quietly dropped

Quote from: Cain on December 03, 2010, 08:06:37 PM
So not only is he an international man of mystery and the World's Greatest Spy (or words to those effect from Lieberman), he's a stud in the bedroom as well.  A threesome with two Swedish babes?  Hell yeah.  I'd support this guy on that principle alone.

Quote from: Triple Zero on December 03, 2010, 08:55:07 PM

Quote from: Cain on December 03, 2010, 08:06:37 PM
So not only is he an international man of mystery and the World's Greatest Spy (or words to those effect from Lieberman), he's a stud in the bedroom as well.  A threesome with two Swedish babes?  Hell yeah.  I'd support this guy on that principle alone.

This. As Roger said, GLORIOUS.

Would you say he's a hero?

Quote from: Triple Zero on December 03, 2010, 08:55:07 PM

Quote from: Cain on December 03, 2010, 08:06:37 PM
So not only is he an international man of mystery and the World's Greatest Spy (or words to those effect from Lieberman), he's a stud in the bedroom as well.  A threesome with two Swedish babes?  Hell yeah.  I'd support this guy on that principle alone.

This. As Roger said, GLORIOUS.

Would you say he's a hero?

Quote from: Cain on December 03, 2010, 08:06:37 PM
His presence in London is confirmed, British police are "processing" the Interpol arrest warrant.

As an aside, I can see one major problem if the Powers That Be are attempting to smear Assange with this Sweden thing: reading the charges, he basically had consensual sex with two Swedish ladies, at the same time (which then somehow changed into nonconsensual sex - of course this is entirely possible, just very unlikely to be revealed in the same week the cables are leaked).

So not only is he an international man of mystery and the World's Greatest Spy (or words to those effect from Lieberman), he's a stud in the bedroom as well.  A threesome with two Swedish babes?  Hell yeah.  I'd support this guy on that principle alone.

Quote from: Triple Zero on December 03, 2010, 08:55:07 PM

Quote from: Cain on December 03, 2010, 08:06:37 PM
So not only is he an international man of mystery and the World's Greatest Spy (or words to those effect from Lieberman), he's a stud in the bedroom as well.  A threesome with two Swedish babes?  Hell yeah.  I'd support this guy on that principle alone.

This. As Roger said, GLORIOUS.

Would you say he's a hero?

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 03, 2010, 09:27:51 PM

Quote from: Cain on December 03, 2010, 08:06:37 PM
His presence in London is confirmed, British police are "processing" the Interpol arrest warrant.

As an aside, I can see one major problem if the Powers That Be are attempting to smear Assange with this Sweden thing: reading the charges, he basically had consensual sex with two Swedish ladies, at the same time (which then somehow changed into nonconsensual sex - of course this is entirely possible, just very unlikely to be revealed in the same week the cables are leaked).

So not only is he an international man of mystery and the World's Greatest Spy (or words to those effect from Lieberman), he's a stud in the bedroom as well.  A threesome with two Swedish babes?  Hell yeah.  I'd support this guy on that principle alone.

Wait.  They're trying to say he raped two women at the same time?

Quote from: Triple Zero on December 03, 2010, 09:02:51 PM
(Remington: "an hero" refers to suicide, not ass ass ination)

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 03, 2010, 09:27:51 PM

Quote from: Cain on December 03, 2010, 08:06:37 PM
His presence in London is confirmed, British police are "processing" the Interpol arrest warrant.

As an aside, I can see one major problem if the Powers That Be are attempting to smear Assange with this Sweden thing: reading the charges, he basically had consensual sex with two Swedish ladies, at the same time (which then somehow changed into nonconsensual sex - of course this is entirely possible, just very unlikely to be revealed in the same week the cables are leaked).

So not only is he an international man of mystery and the World's Greatest Spy (or words to those effect from Lieberman), he's a stud in the bedroom as well.  A threesome with two Swedish babes?  Hell yeah.  I'd support this guy on that principle alone.

Wait.  They're trying to say he raped two women at the same time?

Quote from: Charley Brown on December 03, 2010, 09:36:49 PM
The two women talked and realised to their horror and anger that they had both been victims of his charm.

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 03, 2010, 09:40:57 PM

Quote from: Charley Brown on December 03, 2010, 09:36:49 PM
The two women talked and realised to their horror and anger that they had both been victims of his charm.

Translation:  The two women got paid a pile of money, or were blackmailed, into retroactively rescinding consent, once they escaped his magickal charm field and were able to think again.  Or words to that effect.

Quote from: Charley Brown on December 03, 2010, 08:34:56 PM

Quote from: Cain on December 03, 2010, 08:32:14 PM

Quote from: Charley Brown on December 03, 2010, 08:24:38 PM
It's almost like the British would rather allow the leaks to come out than to arrest him. I hope that is the case.

Doubt it.  Our police just aren't as far gone into mindless authoritarianism yet.  They'll do the paperwork, do it properly, and then arrest him and extradite him to Sweden where, most likely, after a few weeks the charges will be quietly dropped

Will the charges be dropped before or after the assassination?

Quote from: Pēleus on December 03, 2010, 10:01:27 PM

Quote from: Charley Brown on December 03, 2010, 08:34:56 PM

Quote from: Cain on December 03, 2010, 08:32:14 PM

Quote from: Charley Brown on December 03, 2010, 08:24:38 PM
It's almost like the British would rather allow the leaks to come out than to arrest him. I hope that is the case.

Doubt it.  Our police just aren't as far gone into mindless authoritarianism yet.  They'll do the paperwork, do it properly, and then arrest him and extradite him to Sweden where, most likely, after a few weeks the charges will be quietly dropped

Will the charges be dropped before or after the assassination?

Depends on how well they isolate his history insurance, and other torrents

Quote from: Pastor-Mullah Zappathruster on December 03, 2010, 10:32:17 PM
Hillary Clinton's first draft of a letter condemning WikiLeaks, with editor notes, has been leaked.

http://other98.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Leaked-Sec.-Clintons-WikiLeaks-statement-DRAFT.pdf

Quote from: Pastor-Mullah Zappathruster on December 03, 2010, 10:32:17 PM
Hillary Clinton's first draft of a letter condemning WikiLeaks, with editor notes, has been leaked.

http://other98.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Leaked-Sec.-Clintons-WikiLeaks-statement-DRAFT.pdf

Quote from: Pastor-Mullah Zappathruster on December 03, 2010, 10:32:17 PM
Hillary Clinton's first draft of a letter condemning WikiLeaks, with editor notes, has been leaked.

http://other98.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Leaked-Sec.-Clintons-WikiLeaks-statement-DRAFT.pdf

Quote from: Pastor-Mullah Zappathruster on December 03, 2010, 10:32:17 PM
Hillary Clinton's first draft of a letter condemning WikiLeaks, with editor notes, has been leaked.

http://other98.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Leaked-Sec.-Clintons-WikiLeaks-statement-DRAFT.pdf

Quote from: Requia ☣ on December 04, 2010, 04:09:19 AM
Also, that can't really be real can it?  I mean, I know she thinks those things but she must have learned by now to never say them out loud, let alone write them down.

Quote from: Lysergic on December 04, 2010, 10:22:47 AM
Idea for mass protest: Boycott Paypal until they allow wikileaks to use their services.

Quote from: Lysergic on December 04, 2010, 10:22:47 AM
Idea for mass protest: Boycott Paypal until they allow wikileaks to use their services.

Quote from: Faust on December 04, 2010, 06:29:34 PM

Quote from: Lysergic on December 04, 2010, 10:22:47 AM
Idea for mass protest: Boycott Paypal until they allow wikileaks to use their services.

Why bother, they are obviously getting pressured, I doub't they had much choice in the decision.

Quote from: Hover Cat on December 04, 2010, 07:17:10 PM
^ This. I want to figure out how to do that, if I can find a secure way to do so.

Quote from: Hover Cat on December 04, 2010, 09:30:16 PM
I will investigate that very soon. Thanks, Charlie. :)

Quote from: Hover Cat on December 04, 2010, 09:44:32 PM
Oooh, perfect. :D

Quote from: Hover Cat on December 04, 2010, 10:35:56 PM
My credit card information is most of my concern. I'm a boring little fish, after all. Though Charlie's information is certainly reassuring.

Quote from: Requia ☣ on December 04, 2010, 09:21:08 PM

Quote from: Faust on December 04, 2010, 06:29:34 PM

Quote from: Lysergic on December 04, 2010, 10:22:47 AM
Idea for mass protest: Boycott Paypal until they allow wikileaks to use their services.

Why bother, they are obviously getting pressured, I doub't they had much choice in the decision.

Not having a choice is when you take things to court and lose.  Ebay and Amazon didn't do that.  Hell, Ebay claims they weren't pressured and did it before even being talked to by the government.  Even if they are being pressured they still have a choice.  Not one person who has caved to the government on this has said they were threatened, not one has said they saw a warrant or a judges order.

Quote"Columbia University's School of International and Public Affairs, which grooms future diplomats, has confirmed to The Lede that it did send an e-mail to students this week warning them to avoid posting comments online about the leaked diplomatic cables, if they ever hope to work for the State Department."

Quote"The Ministry of External Affairs is asking its youngsters to read them [the cables] and get a hang of the brevity with which thoughts and facts have been expressed"

Quote from: Cain on December 06, 2010, 01:30:04 PM
India, conversely, has the right idea

http://www.indianexpress.com/story-print/720978/

Quote"The Ministry of External Affairs is asking its youngsters to read them [the cables] and get a hang of the brevity with which thoughts and facts have been expressed"

Quote from: Cain on December 06, 2010, 01:34:44 PM
Here is today's infamous cable

http://213.251.145.96/cable/2009/02/09STATE15113.html  The list of all the critical US national security sites is on this cable

The anarchists at the Centre for A Stateless Society have created a mirror of the Wikileaks website at http://wikileaks.c4ss.org/

Quote from: Cain on December 06, 2010, 01:34:44 PM
Here is today's infamous cable

http://213.251.145.96/cable/2009/02/09STATE15113.html  The list of all the critical US national security sites is on this cable

The anarchists at the Centre for A Stateless Society have created a mirror of the Wikileaks website at http://wikileaks.c4ss.org/

Quote from: Requia ☣ on December 06, 2010, 06:35:19 PM
NPR is reporting one of Assange's banks has cut him off.

Quote from: Joh'Nyx on December 06, 2010, 09:20:59 PM

http://www.torontosun.com/news/world/2010/12/06/16447046.html (http://www.torontosun.com/news/world/2010/12/06/16447046.html)

:lulz: Bookies are taking bets in a certain site about what will happen to Assange (i dont think theres assasination option do)

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 06, 2010, 09:23:57 PM

Quote from: Joh'Nyx on December 06, 2010, 09:20:59 PM

http://www.torontosun.com/news/world/2010/12/06/16447046.html (http://www.torontosun.com/news/world/2010/12/06/16447046.html)

:lulz: Bookies are taking bets in a certain site about what will happen to Assange (i dont think theres assasination option do)

Assange makes me feel a bit better about the world.  At least until they get him.

Quote from: Requia ☣ on December 06, 2010, 09:43:20 PM

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 06, 2010, 09:23:57 PM

Quote from: Joh'Nyx on December 06, 2010, 09:20:59 PM

http://www.torontosun.com/news/world/2010/12/06/16447046.html (http://www.torontosun.com/news/world/2010/12/06/16447046.html)

:lulz: Bookies are taking bets in a certain site about what will happen to Assange (i dont think theres assasination option do)

Assange makes me feel a bit better about the world.  At least until they get him.

I kindof wonder if he isn't planning to be got.  Taking him to prison won't stop Wikileaks, and the powers that be seem to be so focused on him that it might buy the rest of the crew another year or so of freedom while they figure that out.

Quote from: Cramulus on December 06, 2010, 10:03:22 PM
when it comes down to it, assange isn't even the target


Like you know a thousand /b/tards will all prank call the same phone number all day until the target goes completely berserk? And the reason they can get away with it is because of swarm logic... you can waste your resources going after the one /b/tard who you snagged with caller ID. You can even throw him in jail. But it does nothing to deter the swarm, which hides behind numbers and anonymity.

Assange represents a flaw in the system. In memetic terms, he's represents a feedback loop - some of the system's information has been purposely hidden in a way that it is not subject to external feedback. Assange just managed to dredge it up to the surface where it's subjected to the same mechanisms that are normally focused on public actions. They can kill Assange, but it won't stop the leak phenomenon. Just like how they can nuke the pirate bay, but it won't stop Internet piracy. He succeeded at creating an enduring structure which makes private information subject to public commentary. Now he's just the meat associated with it and is not in any way necessary for the process to continue. They can go ahead and kill him but another version of him will eventually rise to the top. The response to him must be a systemic response. Hopefully the response will be to operate in a more transparent way, to be aware that even private comments have a way of ending up on the internet, so maybe we should just play it clean.

Quote from: Cain on December 07, 2010, 01:12:03 AM
Guardian reported today that the insurance file included documents relating to the economic crisis, the Gulf Oil spill and Guantanamo Bay, among other topics.

Quote from: Iason Ouabache on December 07, 2010, 01:24:25 AM

Quote from: Cain on December 07, 2010, 01:12:03 AM
Guardian reported today that the insurance file included documents relating to the economic crisis, the Gulf Oil spill and Guantanamo Bay, among other topics.

Nice! I thought that they were going to release some documents on the economic crisis separately early next year.

Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on December 07, 2010, 01:32:43 AM

Quote from: Iason Ouabache on December 07, 2010, 01:24:25 AM

Quote from: Cain on December 07, 2010, 01:12:03 AM
Guardian reported today that the insurance file included documents relating to the economic crisis, the Gulf Oil spill and Guantanamo Bay, among other topics.

Nice! I thought that they were going to release some documents on the economic crisis separately early next year.

Not exactly. They said theyre going to release some incriminating documents on one of the major banks around mid January.

Quote from: Sigmatic on December 07, 2010, 01:41:00 AM
But I thought we knew there was illegal torturing going on, criminal negligence on the Deepwater Horizon, and that the economic crisis was an affair of blatant thievery.  I mean, was that up for debate?

Quote from: Cain on December 07, 2010, 01:45:57 AM

Quote from: Sigmatic on December 07, 2010, 01:41:00 AM
But I thought we knew there was illegal torturing going on, criminal negligence on the Deepwater Horizon, and that the economic crisis was an affair of blatant thievery.  I mean, was that up for debate?

Apparently.  Torture is only a crime when smudgy brown people do it. Deepwater happened because of excessive government regulation and the economic crisis was caused by socialists, whom the banks are heroically defeating by making their profits as big as possible, through any means.

Also said documents may, if they are indeed part of the insurance file, be of sufficient quality to be presented to the ICC in order to start criminal proceedings and cause many US and European officials and CEOs to have problems holidaying in Belgium.

Quote from: Cramulus on December 06, 2010, 10:03:22 PM
when it comes down to it, assange isn't even the target


Like you know a thousand /b/tards will all prank call the same phone number all day until the target goes completely berserk? And the reason they can get away with it is because of swarm logic... you can waste your resources going after the one /b/tard who you snagged with caller ID. You can even throw him in jail. But it does nothing to deter the swarm, which hides behind numbers and anonymity.

Assange represents a flaw in the system. In memetic terms, he's represents a feedback loop - some of the system's information has been purposely hidden in a way that it is not subject to external feedback. Assange just managed to dredge it up to the surface where it's subjected to the same mechanisms that are normally focused on public actions. They can kill Assange, but it won't stop the leak phenomenon. Just like how they can nuke the pirate bay, but it won't stop Internet piracy. He succeeded at creating an enduring structure which makes private information subject to public commentary. Now he's just the meat associated with it and is not in any way necessary for the process to continue. They can go ahead and kill him but another version of him will eventually rise to the top. The response to him must be a systemic response. Hopefully the response will be to operate in a more transparent way, to be aware that even private comments have a way of ending up on the internet, so maybe we should just play it clean.

Quote from: Joh'Nyx on December 06, 2010, 09:16:58 PM
The Pirate Party in Switzerland has made some mirrors of the site supposedly at: wikileaks.ch (http://wikileaks.ch)

Quote from: skynews
WikiLeaks: British Police Arrest Assange

WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange has been arrested by British police over sexual assault claims in Sweden.
The 39-year-old Australian was detained by Scotland Yard officers at around 9.30am after he voluntarily went to a police station in central London.
He is expected to appear before City of Westminster magistrates within the next few hours.
Police contacted Mr Assange's lawyer last night after receiving a fresh European arrest warrant from the Swedish authorities, as anger grows in the US over the latest leaked embassy cables by the whistleblowing website.
The first warrant, issued last month, was not valid as officials had failed to fill in the form properly.
Labelling the move as a "political stunt", Mr Assange's solicitor Mark Stephens said his client wants to find out what allegations he faces so he can clear his name.
Two women in Sweden have claimed they were sexually attacked when Mr Assange visited the country in August. He denies the claims.
Mr Assange will appear before City of Westminster magistrates so a decision can be made about whether the warrant is appropriate for extradition.
Mr Stephens has warned any attempt to extradite will be resisted, "mainly on the grounds that he may be handed over to the Americans".
Sky News' US correspondent Greg Milam said officials in Washington are watching developments "very closely".
He added: "There is a growing clamour in the US for something to be done even if they're not completely sure what that should be.
"The big fear for everyone here is what comes next. What will be contained in the next leak of documents and how damaging will that be?"
Yesterday, Prime Minister David Cameron's national security adviser ordered all government departments to provide "assurances" about the quality of IT security.

Quote from: Cramulus on December 06, 2010, 10:03:22 PM
when it comes down to it, assange isn't even the target

Quote from: Cramulus on December 06, 2010, 10:03:22 PM
Like you know a thousand /b/tards will all prank call the same phone number all day until the target goes completely berserk? And the reason they can get away with it is because of swarm logic... you can waste your resources going after the one /b/tard who you snagged with caller ID. You can even throw him in jail. But it does nothing to deter the swarm, which hides behind numbers and anonymity.

Quote from: Cramulus on December 06, 2010, 10:03:22 PMAssange represents a flaw in the system. In memetic terms, he's represents a feedback loop - some of the system's information has been purposely hidden in a way that it is not subject to external feedback. Assange just managed to dredge it up to the surface where it's subjected to the same mechanisms that are normally focused on public actions. They can kill Assange, but it won't stop the leak phenomenon. Just like how they can nuke the pirate bay, but it won't stop Internet piracy. He succeeded at creating an enduring structure which makes private information subject to public commentary. Now he's just the meat associated with it and is not in any way necessary for the process to continue. They can go ahead and kill him but another version of him will eventually rise to the top. The response to him must be a systemic response. Hopefully the response will be to operate in a more transparent way, to be aware that even private comments have a way of ending up on the internet, so maybe we should just play it clean.

Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on December 07, 2010, 02:02:06 AM
My favorite leak by far has to be:

http://213.251.145.96/cable/2009/01/09BEIJING22.html

Its all about the future of Chinese and US relations. Its a lot more optimistic than I expected.

Quote from: Abraxas on December 07, 2010, 01:28:41 PM
We know. It has been since 1941.

Quote from: Lysergic on December 07, 2010, 11:37:18 AM
WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange arrested in sex case (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-wikileaks-assange-arrested-20101208,0,3085919.story)

This my friends is a sad day in history...

Quote from: from the previous article I linked and pastedJulian Assange, the founder of WikiLeaks, is expected to appear in a UK court today after his lawyers said he would meet police to discuss a European arrest warrant from Sweden relating to alleged sexual assaults.

Quote from: LA TimesJulian Assange, founder of the controversial WikiLeaks website, was arrested here Tuesday morning at the request of Swedish authorities who want to question him about allegations of sexual assault, Scotland Yard said.

Quote from: one of the commentsA trumped up rape charge against this hero is laughable. He so obviouisly gay he's probably never touched a woman in his entire life. (...)

QuoteAnother Assange lawyer, Jennifer Robinson, said the WikiLeaks founder had voluntarily offered to cooperate with Swedish prosecutors because he "is very keen to clear his name," but his offers have been refused.

She said it was "disproportionate" to seek an arrest warrant rather than a formal summons for his interrogation.

"Mr. Assange still has not seen the full allegations against him or the potential charges he faces in a language which he understands, which is English, and this is in clear breach of his human rights under the European Convention of Human Rights," Robinson said in an interview with the Australian Broadcasting Corp.

The pressure on WikiLeaks mounted from other quarters Monday: Swiss authorities closed Assange's bank account, depriving him of a key fundraising tool.

QuoteEvery time WikiLeaks publishes the truth about abuses committed by US agencies, Australian politicians chant a provably false chorus with the State Department: "You'll risk lives! National security! You'll endanger troops!" Then they say there is nothing of importance in what WikiLeaks publishes. It can't be both. Which is it?

It is neither. WikiLeaks has a four-year publishing history. During that time we have changed whole governments, but not a single person, as far as anyone is aware, has been harmed. But the US, with Australian government connivance, has killed thousands in the past few months alone.

US Secretary of Defence Robert Gates admitted in a letter to the US congress that no sensitive intelligence sources or methods had been compromised by the Afghan war logs disclosure. The Pentagon stated there was no evidence the WikiLeaks reports had led to anyone being harmed in Afghanistan. NATO in Kabul told CNN it couldn't find a single person who needed protecting. The Australian Department of Defence said the same. No Australian troops or sources have been hurt by anything we have published.

Quote from: Triple Zero on December 07, 2010, 02:24:46 PM
Blight, this might be a good one for your mum to read, the opinion essay Assange wrote a few hours before he got arrested:

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/in-depth/wikileaks/dont-shoot-messenger-for-revealing-uncomfortable-truths/story-fn775xjq-1225967241332

QuoteEvery time WikiLeaks publishes the truth about abuses committed by US agencies, Australian politicians chant a provably false chorus with the State Department: "You'll risk lives! National security! You'll endanger troops!" Then they say there is nothing of importance in what WikiLeaks publishes. It can't be both. Which is it?

It is neither. WikiLeaks has a four-year publishing history. During that time we have changed whole governments, but not a single person, as far as anyone is aware, has been harmed. But the US, with Australian government connivance, has killed thousands in the past few months alone.

US Secretary of Defence Robert Gates admitted in a letter to the US congress that no sensitive intelligence sources or methods had been compromised by the Afghan war logs disclosure. The Pentagon stated there was no evidence the WikiLeaks reports had led to anyone being harmed in Afghanistan. NATO in Kabul told CNN it couldn't find a single person who needed protecting. The Australian Department of Defence said the same. No Australian troops or sources have been hurt by anything we have published.

Quote from: guardian live updates2.58pm: The journalist John Pilger and the film director Ken Loach have also been seen in court, according to various sources. They together with Jemima Khan are apparently all there to provide surety if bail is granted to Assange.

Quote3.04pm: Assange was refused bail, and will be remanded in custody till 14 December.

Quote from: Lysergic on December 07, 2010, 02:47:13 PM
*apparently*, I can't say for sure since I haven't verified this myself, but the insurance key has been released:

(probably bullshit but redacted by ECH anyway. Lys, I'd appreciate it if you don't post things here that could draw unwanted attention to us, especially since I'd probably lose my job over it.)

Quote from: Triple Zero on December 07, 2010, 03:13:40 PM
okay I said I wasnt going to xpost anymore but more from Guardian live feed, FUCKING GODDAMNIT

Quote3.04pm: Assange was refused bail, and will be remanded in custody till 14 December.

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 07, 2010, 03:19:43 PM

Quote3.04pm: Assange was refused bail, and will be remanded in custody till 14 December.

He's going to disappear, or simply have a bad accident in the latrine.

Quote from: Triple Zero on December 07, 2010, 03:24:23 PM
If that happens, that key will be released real quick.

Quote from: Barack ObamaI'm a big believer in openness when it comes to the flow of information. I think that the more freely information flows, the stronger the society becomes, because then citizens of countries around the world can hold their own governments accountable. They can begin to think for themselves. That generates new ideas. It encourages creativity.

And so I've always been a strong supporter of open Internet use. I'm a big supporter of non-censorship. This is part of the tradition of the United States that I discussed before, and I recognize that different countries have different traditions. I can tell you that in the United States, the fact that we have free Internet -- or unrestricted Internet access is a source of strength, and I think should be encouraged.

Quote from: Hillary Clinton...technologies with the potential to open up access to government and promote transparency can also be hijacked by governments to crush dissent and deny human rights.

In the last year, we've seen a spike in threats to the free flow of information. China, Tunisia, and Uzbekistan have stepped up their censorship of the internet...

On their own, new technologies do not take sides in the struggle for freedom and progress. But the United States does. We stand for a single internet where all of humanity has equal access to knowledge and ideas. And we recognize that the world's information infrastructure will become what we and others make of it.

Quote from: Cain on December 07, 2010, 03:36:15 PM
Time for a deranged "lone gunman".  Just like in the good old days.

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 07, 2010, 03:51:15 PM

Quote from: Cain on December 07, 2010, 03:36:15 PM
Time for a deranged "lone gunman".  Just like in the good old days.

Naw.  Criminals are surprisingly patriotic, and kinda dumb.  He'll get shanked with no prodding from anyone.

Quote from: Cramulus on December 07, 2010, 04:21:59 PM
feedback requested: http://23ae.com/2010/12/assange-is-not-the-target/

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 07, 2010, 04:24:43 PM

Quote from: Cramulus on December 07, 2010, 04:21:59 PM
feedback requested: http://23ae.com/2010/12/assange-is-not-the-target/

Can't see that from this comp

QuoteWe are living in the backdrop of a great movie, no? At the time of this writing, Julian Assange, the head of WikiLeaks, has released hundreds of thousands of secret government shenanigans, and promises that many more are to come, including damning information about major American financial institutions. His websites and bank accounts have been seized and numerous politicians call for his assassination. This morning he was nabbed in London for having unprotected sex with two (easily bribed) Swedish chicks. Everybody wants this cat dead.

But when it comes down to it,  Julian Assange isn't even the real target.  They should be worried about the leak phenomenon, which is much larger than some Australian whistle blower.

Swarms have awesome powers in the information age. A swarm of Internet trolls will prank call the same phone number over and over again until the target goes berserk. The cops may be able to track down one or two of the trolls, and the victim may have the resources to send those chucklefucks up the river, but this does not hurt or deter the other 999 trolls in the swarm. They are well protected by numbers and anonymity.

So let's be clear: this isn't about Assange. He's barely even a player. He's just the monkey in the unfortunate position of holding the flag right now.

Assange represents a new feedback loop within the global information system. Some of the system's information has been purposely hidden in a way that it is not subject to external feedback. Assange just managed to dredge it up to the surface where it's subjected to the same mechanisms that are normally focused on public actions. (BTW: this is theoretically what journalism is for) So they can kill Assange, but it won't stop the leak phenomenon. Just like how they can nuke the pirate bay, but it won't stop Internet piracy.

Assange has succeeded at creating a structure which makes private information subject to public commentary. Now he's just the meat associated with it and is not in any way necessary for the process to continue. Do they think that if they lock up Assange for eternity that government agents will no longer leak classified info? Do they think nobody else will set up a site to receive leaks? The Internet is built for communication between individuals and the masses – do they think that's just going to go away?

As soon as the website went down, a number of mirrors appeared. Some government stooge at Columbia warns that even talking about WikiLeaks is a form of thoughtcrime. They're trying to suppress the leaks, but in doing so, have unleashed the raw power of the Streisand Effect.  They've made the information more valuable, interesting, ready to be spread.

They can go ahead and kill him, or his website, but it will just create more variations, just like when they axed Napster and it created gnutella, limewire, and eventually, torrents.  The response to WikiLeaks must be a systemic response. Hopefully the response will be to operate in a more transparent way, to be aware that even private comments have a way of ending up on the Internet, so we'll have to play it clean.

Wishful thinking, I know.

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 07, 2010, 04:24:43 PM

Quote from: Cramulus on December 07, 2010, 04:21:59 PM
feedback requested: http://23ae.com/2010/12/assange-is-not-the-target/

Can't see that from this comp, but I have to disagree.

He IS the target.  He SHOULDN'T be, if the angered powers-that-be were smart...But they aren't.  Just as in Iraq, they are obsessed with the "Mister Big" or "kingpin" meme.  If they can get this one guy, they've cut the head off the snake, right?  Wrong, of course, but that's the way they think, as evidenced by the Iraq war and the post-911 reaction.

Quote from: Cramulus on December 07, 2010, 04:28:40 PM

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 07, 2010, 04:24:43 PM

Quote from: Cramulus on December 07, 2010, 04:21:59 PM
feedback requested: http://23ae.com/2010/12/assange-is-not-the-target/

Can't see that from this comp, but I have to disagree.

He IS the target.  He SHOULDN'T be, if the angered powers-that-be were smart...But they aren't.  Just as in Iraq, they are obsessed with the "Mister Big" or "kingpin" meme.  If they can get this one guy, they've cut the head off the snake, right?  Wrong, of course, but that's the way they think, as evidenced by the Iraq war and the post-911 reaction.

that's basically what I'm writing about... like GeekDad pointed out, there are a lot of parallels between this situation and Napster. If they want to prevent another WikiLeaks, they have to enact a systemic response. They have to respond to the feedback loop he's created. Instead, they're targeting the lone monkey holding the flag. If they shatter him and his following, it just creates a demand for new types of leak sites -- just like how shattering Napster created a demand that would eventually produce file torrents.

Quote from: Cain on December 07, 2010, 04:36:44 PM
http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/12/06/latest-updates-on-leak-of-u-s-cables-day-9/?src=twt&twt=nytimes

Bwahahaha.

I did mention on a couple of /i/nsurgent sites they might wanna consider taking down some of the groups persecuting Assange (they love media attention, the /i/nsurgents), and I'm sure I wasn't the only one, but I feel extremely happy to have contributed, in some small way, to this.

Quote from: Cramulus on December 07, 2010, 04:28:40 PM
shattering Napster created a demand that would eventually produce file torrents.

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 07, 2010, 04:30:26 PM
But governments and other large organizations can't think that way, Cram.  It's simply not possible, for the same reason most Americans think the President is an all-powerful emperor.

Quote4.14pm: Charles Arthur, the Guardian's technology editor, points out that while MasterCard and Visa have cut WikiLeaks off you can still use those cards to donate to overtly racist organisations such as the Knights Party, which is supported by the Ku Klux Klan.

The Ku Klux Klan website directs users to a site called Christian Concepts. It takes Visa and MasterCard donations for users willing to state that they are "white and not of racially mixed descent. I am not married to a non-white. I do not date non-whites nor do I have non-white dependents. I believe in the ideals of western Christian civilisation and profess my belief in Jesus Christ as the son of God."

Quote from: Triple Zero on December 07, 2010, 03:24:23 PM
I'd have preferred the link, anyway, for source+context :)

But it's ECH+Faust's site, so if one of them doesn't feel comfortable with posting that, it's their right (everything is happening too quick to form much more of an opinion about for me), but it's not really something to make a big deal about anyway, since if that code really is released, it'll be all over the web in no time.

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 07, 2010, 03:19:43 PM

Quote3.04pm: Assange was refused bail, and will be remanded in custody till 14 December.

He's going to disappear, or simply have a bad accident in the latrine.

If that happens, that key will be released real quick.

Quote from: Pēleus on December 07, 2010, 12:10:43 AM
http://tinyurl.com/support-wikileaks

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 07, 2010, 03:51:15 PM

Quote from: Cain on December 07, 2010, 03:36:15 PM
Time for a deranged "lone gunman".  Just like in the good old days.

Naw.  Criminals are surprisingly patriotic, and kinda dumb.  He'll get shanked with no prodding from anyone.

QuoteThe WikiLeaks founder said he was told to be careful of "sex traps." Had Assange fallen for one of those traps? "Maybe. Maybe not," he said.

Catlin observed that both Ardin and Sofia Wilén, the second accuser, sent SMS messages and tweets boasting of their conquests following the alleged "rapes."

"In the case of Ardin it is clear that she has thrown a party in Assange's honour at her flat after the 'crime' and tweeted to her followers that she is with the 'the world's coolest smartest people, it's amazing!'" he wrote.

"The exact content of Wilén's mobile phone texts is not yet known but their bragging and exculpatory character has been confirmed by Swedish prosecutors. Niether Wilén's nor Ardin's texts complain of rape," Catlin said.

Ardin has also published a seven step guide on how to get revenge on cheating boyfriends.

Quote from: Cramulus on December 07, 2010, 08:31:39 PM
one of the chicks who's accusing him of rape, Anna Ardin, apparently "worked with a group that has CIA connections" ---

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/12/assange-rape-accuser-cia-ties/

Quote from: Abraxas on December 07, 2010, 03:18:33 PM

Quote from: Lysergic on December 07, 2010, 02:47:13 PM
*apparently*, I can't say for sure since I haven't verified this myself, but the insurance key has been released:

(probably bullshit but redacted by ECH anyway. Lys, I'd appreciate it if you don't post things here that could draw unwanted attention to us, especially since I'd probably lose my job over it.)

To clarify, if you want to link to another site where that key can be found, I don't see a problem with that but I'd prefer it not be explicitly posted on this site.

Quote from: Lysergic on December 07, 2010, 09:49:39 PM

Quote from: Abraxas on December 07, 2010, 03:18:33 PM

Quote from: Lysergic on December 07, 2010, 02:47:13 PM
*apparently*, I can't say for sure since I haven't verified this myself, but the insurance key has been released:

(probably bullshit but redacted by ECH anyway. Lys, I'd appreciate it if you don't post things here that could draw unwanted attention to us, especially since I'd probably lose my job over it.)

To clarify, if you want to link to another site where that key can be found, I don't see a problem with that but I'd prefer it not be explicitly posted on this site.

Sorry man, I didn't realise that would be a big deal. Won't do again in future.

Quote from: Triple Zero on December 07, 2010, 02:53:32 PM
... and now, after Paypal and Mastercard, also Visa "has taken action to suspend Visa payment acceptance on WikiLeaks' website pending further investigation into the nature of its business and whether it contravenes Visa operating rules.".

I hope he can still scrape some cash together to pay that bail.



Lys, hmm it looks weird to me. An AES256 key is supposed to be 256 bits. The key you posted is 91 characters (minus the space in the middle), it's not hexadecimal (which only uses characters 0123456789ABCDEF) and while it *could* be a base64 encoding, it's rather unlikely that it contains only uppercase characters (base64 also allows lowercase). Only option I see is that it could be a plaintext key that needs to be hashed to yield the real 256 bit key.

Biggest question is, Lys, what's the source? Where did you find it?

Quote from: Lysergic on December 07, 2010, 10:09:04 PM

Quote from: Triple Zero on December 07, 2010, 02:53:32 PM
... and now, after Paypal and Mastercard, also Visa "has taken action to suspend Visa payment acceptance on WikiLeaks' website pending further investigation into the nature of its business and whether it contravenes Visa operating rules.".

I hope he can still scrape some cash together to pay that bail.



Lys, hmm it looks weird to me. An AES256 key is supposed to be 256 bits. The key you posted is 91 characters (minus the space in the middle), it's not hexadecimal (which only uses characters 0123456789ABCDEF) and while it *could* be a base64 encoding, it's rather unlikely that it contains only uppercase characters (base64 also allows lowercase). Only option I see is that it could be a plaintext key that needs to be hashed to yield the real 256 bit key.

Biggest question is, Lys, what's the source? Where did you find it?

Friend on facebook posted it, so you know "it must be real", I thought it was bullshit but if it was by some strange chance real, felt it was worth sharing

Quote from: Pēleus on December 07, 2010, 07:50:42 PM

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 07, 2010, 03:51:15 PM

Quote from: Cain on December 07, 2010, 03:36:15 PM
Time for a deranged "lone gunman".  Just like in the good old days.

Naw.  Criminals are surprisingly patriotic, and kinda dumb.  He'll get shanked with no prodding from anyone.

So where he's being sent, is there a western union nearby?

Quote from: Requia ☣ on December 07, 2010, 10:11:43 PM
Apparently Assange turned himself in, and faces a maximum penalty if found guilty of 'sex by surprise' (the rape charges are still dropped) of ~700$.

So what exactly is the justification for withholding bail?  Or are they not even pretending anymore?

Quote from: Pēleus on December 07, 2010, 10:16:14 PM

Quote from: Lysergic on December 07, 2010, 10:09:04 PM

Quote from: Triple Zero on December 07, 2010, 02:53:32 PM
... and now, after Paypal and Mastercard, also Visa "has taken action to suspend Visa payment acceptance on WikiLeaks' website pending further investigation into the nature of its business and whether it contravenes Visa operating rules.".

I hope he can still scrape some cash together to pay that bail.



Lys, hmm it looks weird to me. An AES256 key is supposed to be 256 bits. The key you posted is 91 characters (minus the space in the middle), it's not hexadecimal (which only uses characters 0123456789ABCDEF) and while it *could* be a base64 encoding, it's rather unlikely that it contains only uppercase characters (base64 also allows lowercase). Only option I see is that it could be a plaintext key that needs to be hashed to yield the real 256 bit key.

Biggest question is, Lys, what's the source? Where did you find it?

Friend on facebook posted it, so you know "it must be real", I thought it was bullshit but if it was by some strange chance real, felt it was worth sharing

could always google it and see if its posted elsewhere

Quote from: Pēleus on December 07, 2010, 09:51:14 PM
http://www.theonion.com/section/wikileaks/
http://www.theonion.com/channels/wikileaks/

http://www.theonion.com/articles/julian-assange-fired-from-it-job-at-pentagon,18572/ :lulz:

Quote from: Pastor-Mullah Zappathruster on December 07, 2010, 10:19:17 PM

Quote from: Requia ☣ on December 07, 2010, 10:11:43 PM
Apparently Assange turned himself in, and faces a maximum penalty if found guilty of 'sex by surprise' (the rape charges are still dropped) of ~700$.

So what exactly is the justification for withholding bail?  Or are they not even pretending anymore?

They are not pretending.  The arrest warrant from Sweden contains no criminal charges.  The arrest warrant states only that he is wanted for questioning.

http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/12/07/latest-updates-on-leak-of-u-s-cables-day-10/

Quote from: Triple Zero on December 07, 2010, 09:33:58 PMThe United States is pleased to announce that it will host Unesco's World Press Freedom Day event in 2011, from 1-3 May in Washington, DC.

QuoteHey you guys should invite this dude i saw on TV, Julian Assange. I heard he's a pretty good journalist.

QuoteI'd recommended China, but they'll be busy hosting World Political Prisoner Freedom Day around the same time.

Quote from: Requia ☣ on December 07, 2010, 10:11:43 PM
Apparently Assange turned himself in, and faces a maximum penalty if found guilty of 'sex by surprise' (the rape charges are still dropped) of ~700$.

So what exactly is the justification for withholding bail?  Or are they not even pretending anymore?

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 07, 2010, 04:24:43 PM

Quote from: Cramulus on December 07, 2010, 04:21:59 PM
feedback requested: http://23ae.com/2010/12/assange-is-not-the-target/

Can't see that from this comp, but I have to disagree.

He IS the target.  He SHOULDN'T be, if the angered powers-that-be were smart...But they aren't.  Just as in Iraq, they are obsessed with the "Mister Big" or "kingpin" meme.  If they can get this one guy, they've cut the head off the snake, right?  Wrong, of course, but that's the way they think, as evidenced by the Iraq war and the post-911 reaction.

Quote from: Lysergic on December 08, 2010, 04:35:12 AM
What do you guys think of this?
Been getting into a bit of a heated debate with some people on facebook over this at the moment...

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2010/12/470066.html

Quote from: Pēleus on December 08, 2010, 07:01:32 AMWasn't the American government given a similar choice to review the leak but decided to give em the finger so they wouldn't be creditable

• before release.
  
  Even then, it wouldn't make sense, because no country except the US was made offer. Duh, because it was their diplomatic cables, after all. They didn't offer it to Russia, Iran, Germany or whoever either.
  
  Additionally, the US refusal to use that offer was made public, I'm guessing that, in the unlikely event that the US would had made use of the offer, this would also have been made public (not in specifics but something like "The US has assisted and advised Wikileaks in the censoring of certain names and events whose public release would have put lives in danger" or something similar).
  
  So it seems weird to me that if Israel has been offered a similar deal, we hear nothing about it from Wikileaks themselves.
  
  Also, in that case, the stakes are a lot lower for countries other than the US, because their review and censoring would not carry the same type of public endorsement, because it's not their diplomatic cables that have been leaked in the first place.
  
  [* I agree about your reasoning why the US refused btw, because doing so would make it seem they endorsed the rest of the leaks. Also, to be completely fair, that refusal is one of the few US moves re:Wikileaks that seems quite reasonable and understandable to me. Of course, Wikileaks anticipating this US reaction went ahead and made the offer for the sake of better PR :lol: what a game ... ]
  
  
  

  Quote from: Requia ☣ on December 08, 2010, 04:38:39 AMIsrael is hardly the only country to be spared, it was only today that Austrailia got its first slam.

  
  While you're probably right, this is not really a solid reason for me to discredit that article.
  
  (better reason: only 1000 out of 260,000 documents have been released so any perceived pattern in releases is meaningless)
  
  
  However,
  
  

  Quote from: Lysergic on December 08, 2010, 04:35:12 AMWhat do you guys think of this?
  http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2010/12/470066.html

  
  I find this hard to believe. Because if it's true, and it came out (and Assange of all people should know that everything can be leaked and become public info), it would pretty much destroy Assange's [if not Wikileak's] credibility. Way worse than these rape charges, because everybody with half a brain knows they have to be a set-up [in some way or another], while this thing would also make him lose a shitload of public support for him and his goals right now, it it came out. Because it pretty much goes right against what most people perceive to be his goals.
  
  What I just said is, of course, circular reasoning: I find it hard to believe he would put his reputation at stake like this, because doing so would put his reputation at stake. :lol:
  
  That's why I say I find it hard to believe, not that it can't be true. But there's more.
  
  If he would put his reputation at stake like this, then obviously his goals aren't quite exactly what most people believe his [Assange and/or Wikileaks] goals are (which afaik, would be something like the free dissemination of information, freedom of press and exposure of government corruption and big corporate corruption).
  
  I question his possible motives. If that is not his goal, then what is?
  
  Doing it because he "had received money from semi-official Israeli sources"? That doesn't jive at all with his previous behaviour, let alone his current situation. Because right now he's fucked. He made some really, really, really big enemies, and not just the US. He might get lucky and get out of this alive or life-sentenced or whatever, small chance, but only if selling out to Israel doesn't come out in public. And again, I think he knows that everything can get out in the public. I dunno, that kind of grave risk seems to me to be something only a True Idealist would take. Not a sellout. Still leaves the possibility that he follows a twisted kind of Idealism that nobody [or none of his supporters] suspected thus far, but not "just for the money", not even if he intended to use this money for the good of Wikileaks. That would just be too stupid, to assume he can get away with the exact same kind of corrupt behaviour that he works so hard to expose.
  
  Of course, it would hardly be the first time human stupidity surprises me. But it's quite an extraordinary claim, I think Assange is a clever guy, and if he'd done this, ... that'd be really interesting -- But I'm going to need some proof first.
  
  If not for the money, the other option is that he's been an Israeli sympathisant agent some sort of whatever all along, and does it for the sake of Israel, the money being a nice bonus, and a means to get away when the story ultimately comes out. I believe this is also unlikely.
  
  [Reasoning skipped cause this post is getting too long and I want to get to the final, possible most important point]
  
  Which are the sources.
  
  The most controversial (IMO) parts of the story are the parts where Indymedia claims Assange has receives a large sums of money:
  
  

  Quote from: IndymediaAccording to an Arabic investigative journalism website [2], Assange had received money from semi-official Israeli sources and promised them, in a "secret, video-recorded agreement," not to publish any document that may harm Israeli security or diplomatic interests.

  
  Unfortunately, reference [2] is from syriatruth.info, a website completely written in Arabic, which I cannot read. It does feature a picture of Assange and the Wikileaks logo, so it probably says *something* about the topic.
  
  And later in the article once more:
  
  

  Quote from: IndymediaAccording to another report [8], a left-leaning Lebanese newspaper had met with Assange twice and tried to negotiate a deal with him, offering "a big amount of money", in order to get hold of documents concerning the 2006 war, particularly the minutes of a meeting held at the American embassy in Beirut on 24th July 2006, which is widely considered as a 'war council' meeting between American, Israeli and Lebanese parties that played a role in the war again Hizbullah and its allies. The documents the Al-Akhbar editors received, however, all date to 2008 onwards and do not contain "anything of value," the sources confirm. This only goes to support the Israel deal allegations.

  
  Reference [8] is also from syriatruth.info, and therefore useless to me for fact-checking. BTW this wasn't immediately clear to me, but the "left-leaning Lebanese newspaper" is the later mentioned Al-Akhbar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Akhbar_(Lebanon)) (it literally means "The News", first I thought the phrase meant "Allah is great", which seemed kinda weird so I looked it up as my Arabian is kinda limited).
  
  In addition to sources I can't read, there are a few other problems with the article:
  
  

  Quote from: IndymediaAccording to the Al-Haqiqa sources, Assange met with Israeli officials in Geneva earlier this year and struck the secret deal. The Israel government, it seems, had somehow found out or expected that the documents to be leaked contained a large number of documents about the Israeli attacks on Lebanon and Gaza in 2006 and 2008-9 respectively. These documents, which are said to have originated mainly from the Israeli embassies in Tel Aviv and Beirut, where [sic] removed and possibly destroyed by Assange, who is the only person who knows the password that can open these documents, the sources added.

  
  The whole bit about Assange being the only one with "the password" (assuming they mean to say "key" or "passphrase" here, Wikileaks doesn't use passwords) able to open these documents, is really kind of weird. Because with the high-grade type of assymetric RSA encryption* Wikileaks most probably uses, this kind of thing becomes pretty damn hard. In fact, even if they used a symmetric cipher like they did for the Insurance file, proper cryptographic procedure prescribes that encryption really is as good as useless without validation. Meaning Assange would have had a hard time altering the documents without any other Wikileaks associate finding out sooner or later.
  
  (* "assymmetric" means the public/private key stuff, which gives rise to a whole bunch of schemes besides encryption, those being validation, authentication, digital signing, tamper-proofing, and more. To contrast, the AES256 encryption used for the insurance file is a "symmetric" cipher, which means there is just one key, and it is used for both the encryption and decryption, very much like historic ciphers such as Vigenere's--advantage of symmetric ciphers is that they offer better security for less bits in the key, but are not nearly as versatile as assymmetric ciphers)
  
  

  Quote from: IndymediaIndeed, the published documents seem to have a 'gap' stretching over the period of July - September 2006, during which the 33-day Lebanon war took place. Is it possible that US diplomats and officials did not have any comments or information to exchange about this crucial event but spent their time 'gossiping' about every other 'trivial' Middle-Eastern matter?

  
  There are at least three much more likely possibilities. First, by now I wouldn't put it past Indymedia that if I were to check for myself, maybe there is no "gap" or perhaps just a relatively quiet period in communication. Second and more likely, Wikileaks has only received cables classified up to "secret", but not "top secret", maybe the cables during this 33 day period had a higher security clearance and therefore do not appear in the 260,000 cablegate docs. And third, which makes me seriously doubt wtf Indymedia is going on about, only about 1000 out of the 260,000 documents have been released so far, so how can they speak of a "gap" in the data? It would not surprise me that, if Wikileaks has incriminating documents about the 33-day conflict, they might release them in one chunk, and not as a part of the (seemingly random?) stuff so far.
  
  

  Quote from: IndymediaIn an interview with the Time magazine around the same time, Assange praised Netanyahu as a hero of transparency and openness! [7]

  
  Since this reference is actually in a language and script I can read, I checked it. Do so yourself, ctrl-F "Netanyahu" if you like, but Assange says no such thing.
  
  This, of course, gives me not much reason to believe the references that I can't read.
  
  
  Oh yeah, and that's right I just remembered, the entire premise of the article is wrong, because there ARE in fact cables released already that place Israel in a bad light, also as pointed out by one of the commenters:
  http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2010/12/470066.html?c=on#c260675
  
  
  Hm, and the bits about internal struggles and disagreements within Wikileaks, they are probably true (I didn't check the references, but I heard about it before the whole Cablegate thing). It doesn't surprise me that ideas opinions and ideals will clash among a group of motivated idealists such as Wikileaks. Of course it says nothing about whether Assange is wrong, or the guy that disagrees with him is wrong, or perhaps, just like we do in Discordianism, they both respect eachother for doing their own thing if they disagree.

Quote from: Triple Zero on December 08, 2010, 11:44:16 AM
Come on guys, I get the feeling you don't even bother to actually *read* these articles and still make wild speculations like these?

Quote from: Pēleus on December 08, 2010, 07:01:32 AMWasn't the American government given a similar choice to review the leak but decided to give em the finger so they wouldn't be creditable

Peleus, what do you mean "similar" ? You're just guessing/speculating here, nowhere in the Indymedia article does it say this alleged deal with Israel was of the same nature of the US being offered to review the leaks

• before release.
  
  Even then, it wouldn't make sense, because no country except the US was made offer. Duh, because it was their diplomatic cables, after all. They didn't offer it to Russia, Iran, Germany or whoever either.
  
  Additionally, the US refusal to use that offer was made public, I'm guessing that, in the unlikely event that the US would had made use of the offer, this would also have been made public (not in specifics but something like "The US has assisted and advised Wikileaks in the censoring of certain names and events whose public release would have put lives in danger" or something similar).
  
  So it seems weird to me that if Israel has been offered a similar deal, we hear nothing about it from Wikileaks themselves.
  
  Also, in that case, the stakes are a lot lower for countries other than the US, because their review and censoring would not carry the same type of public endorsement, because it's not their diplomatic cables that have been leaked in the first place.
  
  [* I agree about your reasoning why the US refused btw, because doing so would make it seem they endorsed the rest of the leaks. Also, to be completely fair, that refusal is one of the few US moves re:Wikileaks that seems quite reasonable and understandable to me. Of course, Wikileaks anticipating this US reaction went ahead and made the offer for the sake of better PR :lol: what a game ... ]
  
  
  

  Quote from: Requia ☣ on December 08, 2010, 04:38:39 AMIsrael is hardly the only country to be spared, it was only today that Austrailia got its first slam.

  
  While you're probably right, this is not really a solid reason for me to discredit that article.
  
  (better reason: only 1000 out of 260,000 documents have been released so any perceived pattern in releases is meaningless)
  
  
  However,
  
  

  Quote from: Lysergic on December 08, 2010, 04:35:12 AMWhat do you guys think of this?
  http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2010/12/470066.html

  
  I find this hard to believe. Because if it's true, and it came out (and Assange of all people should know that everything can be leaked and become public info), it would pretty much destroy Assange's [if not Wikileak's] credibility. Way worse than these rape charges, because everybody with half a brain knows they have to be a set-up [in some way or another], while this thing would also make him lose a shitload of public support for him and his goals right now, it it came out. Because it pretty much goes right against what most people perceive to be his goals.
  
  What I just said is, of course, circular reasoning: I find it hard to believe he would put his reputation at stake like this, because doing so would put his reputation at stake. :lol:
  
  That's why I say I find it hard to believe, not that it can't be true. But there's more.
  
  If he would put his reputation at stake like this, then obviously his goals aren't quite exactly what most people believe his [Assange and/or Wikileaks] goals are (which afaik, would be something like the free dissemination of information, freedom of press and exposure of government corruption and big corporate corruption).
  
  I question his possible motives. If that is not his goal, then what is?
  
  Doing it because he "had received money from semi-official Israeli sources"? That doesn't jive at all with his previous behaviour, let alone his current situation. Because right now he's fucked. He made some really, really, really big enemies, and not just the US. He might get lucky and get out of this alive or life-sentenced or whatever, small chance, but only if selling out to Israel doesn't come out in public. And again, I think he knows that everything can get out in the public. I dunno, that kind of grave risk seems to me to be something only a True Idealist would take. Not a sellout. Still leaves the possibility that he follows a twisted kind of Idealism that nobody [or none of his supporters] suspected thus far, but not "just for the money", not even if he intended to use this money for the good of Wikileaks. That would just be too stupid, to assume he can get away with the exact same kind of corrupt behaviour that he works so hard to expose.
  
  Of course, it would hardly be the first time human stupidity surprises me. But it's quite an extraordinary claim, I think Assange is a clever guy, and if he'd done this, ... that'd be really interesting -- But I'm going to need some proof first.
  
  If not for the money, the other option is that he's been an Israeli sympathisant agent some sort of whatever all along, and does it for the sake of Israel, the money being a nice bonus, and a means to get away when the story ultimately comes out. I believe this is also unlikely.
  
  [Reasoning skipped cause this post is getting too long and I want to get to the final, possible most important point]
  
  Which are the sources.
  
  The most controversial (IMO) parts of the story are the parts where Indymedia claims Assange has receives a large sums of money:
  
  

  Quote from: IndymediaAccording to an Arabic investigative journalism website [2], Assange had received money from semi-official Israeli sources and promised them, in a "secret, video-recorded agreement," not to publish any document that may harm Israeli security or diplomatic interests.

  
  Unfortunately, reference [2] is from syriatruth.info, a website completely written in Arabic, which I cannot read. It does feature a picture of Assange and the Wikileaks logo, so it probably says *something* about the topic.
  
  And later in the article once more:
  
  

  Quote from: IndymediaAccording to another report [8], a left-leaning Lebanese newspaper had met with Assange twice and tried to negotiate a deal with him, offering "a big amount of money", in order to get hold of documents concerning the 2006 war, particularly the minutes of a meeting held at the American embassy in Beirut on 24th July 2006, which is widely considered as a 'war council' meeting between American, Israeli and Lebanese parties that played a role in the war again Hizbullah and its allies. The documents the Al-Akhbar editors received, however, all date to 2008 onwards and do not contain "anything of value," the sources confirm. This only goes to support the Israel deal allegations.

  
  Reference [8] is also from syriatruth.info, and therefore useless to me for fact-checking. BTW this wasn't immediately clear to me, but the "left-leaning Lebanese newspaper" is the later mentioned Al-Akhbar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Akhbar_(Lebanon)) (it literally means "The News", first I thought the phrase meant "Allah is great", which seemed kinda weird so I looked it up as my Arabian is kinda limited).
  
  In addition to sources I can't read, there are a few other problems with the article:
  
  

  Quote from: IndymediaAccording to the Al-Haqiqa sources, Assange met with Israeli officials in Geneva earlier this year and struck the secret deal. The Israel government, it seems, had somehow found out or expected that the documents to be leaked contained a large number of documents about the Israeli attacks on Lebanon and Gaza in 2006 and 2008-9 respectively. These documents, which are said to have originated mainly from the Israeli embassies in Tel Aviv and Beirut, where [sic] removed and possibly destroyed by Assange, who is the only person who knows the password that can open these documents, the sources added.

  
  The whole bit about Assange being the only one with "the password" (assuming they mean to say "key" or "passphrase" here, Wikileaks doesn't use passwords) able to open these documents, is really kind of weird. Because with the high-grade type of assymetric RSA encryption* Wikileaks most probably uses, this kind of thing becomes pretty damn hard. In fact, even if they used a symmetric cipher like they did for the Insurance file, proper cryptographic procedure prescribes that encryption really is as good as useless without validation. Meaning Assange would have had a hard time altering the documents without any other Wikileaks associate finding out sooner or later.
  
  (* "assymmetric" means the public/private key stuff, which gives rise to a whole bunch of schemes besides encryption, those being validation, authentication, digital signing, tamper-proofing, and more. To contrast, the AES256 encryption used for the insurance file is a "symmetric" cipher, which means there is just one key, and it is used for both the encryption and decryption, very much like historic ciphers such as Vigenere's--advantage of symmetric ciphers is that they offer better security for less bits in the key, but are not nearly as versatile as assymmetric ciphers)
  
  

  Quote from: IndymediaIndeed, the published documents seem to have a 'gap' stretching over the period of July - September 2006, during which the 33-day Lebanon war took place. Is it possible that US diplomats and officials did not have any comments or information to exchange about this crucial event but spent their time 'gossiping' about every other 'trivial' Middle-Eastern matter?

  
  There are at least three much more likely possibilities. First, by now I wouldn't put it past Indymedia that if I were to check for myself, maybe there is no "gap" or perhaps just a relatively quiet period in communication. Second and more likely, Wikileaks has only received cables classified up to "secret", but not "top secret", maybe the cables during this 33 day period had a higher security clearance and therefore do not appear in the 260,000 cablegate docs. And third, which makes me seriously doubt wtf Indymedia is going on about, only about 1000 out of the 260,000 documents have been released so far, so how can they speak of a "gap" in the data? It would not surprise me that, if Wikileaks has incriminating documents about the 33-day conflict, they might release them in one chunk, and not as a part of the (seemingly random?) stuff so far.
  
  

  Quote from: IndymediaIn an interview with the Time magazine around the same time, Assange praised Netanyahu as a hero of transparency and openness! [7]

  
  Since this reference is actually in a language and script I can read, I checked it. Do so yourself, ctrl-F "Netanyahu" if you like, but Assange says no such thing.
  
  This, of course, gives me not much reason to believe the references that I can't read.
  
  
  Oh yeah, and that's right I just remembered, the entire premise of the article is wrong, because there ARE in fact cables released already that place Israel in a bad light, also as pointed out by one of the commenters:
  http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2010/12/470066.html?c=on#c260675
  
  
  Hm, and the bits about internal struggles and disagreements within Wikileaks, they are probably true (I didn't check the references, but I heard about it before the whole Cablegate thing). It doesn't surprise me that ideas opinions and ideals will clash among a group of motivated idealists such as Wikileaks. Of course it says nothing about whether Assange is wrong, or the guy that disagrees with him is wrong, or perhaps, just like we do in Discordianism, they both respect eachother for doing their own thing if they disagree.
  

Quote from: Cramulus on December 07, 2010, 04:21:59 PM
feedback requested: http://23ae.com/2010/12/assange-is-not-the-target/

Quote from: Rainy Day Pixie on December 08, 2010, 11:57:45 AM
http://www.boingboing.net/2010/12/07/report-wikileaks-cab.html

this is a blog post on how a Texan security company has been facilitating the pimping out of young boys to some afgans.

Quote from: Cramulus on December 08, 2010, 04:40:17 PM

Quote from: Cramulus on December 07, 2010, 04:21:59 PM
feedback requested: http://23ae.com/2010/12/assange-is-not-the-target/

managed to grab 300 unique hits yesterday! Big thanks to everybody that helped spread it.  :mrgreen:

Quote from: Triple Zero on December 08, 2010, 11:44:16 AM

Quote from: Requia ☣ on December 08, 2010, 04:38:39 AMIsrael is hardly the only country to be spared, it was only today that Austrailia got its first slam.

While you're probably right, this is not really a solid reason for me to discredit that article.

(better reason: only 1000 out of 260,000 documents have been released so any perceived pattern in releases is meaningless)

Quote from: Charley Brown on December 08, 2010, 07:41:45 PM

Quote from: Cramulus on December 08, 2010, 04:40:17 PM

Quote from: Cramulus on December 07, 2010, 04:21:59 PM
feedback requested: http://23ae.com/2010/12/assange-is-not-the-target/

managed to grab 300 unique hits yesterday! Big thanks to everybody that helped spread it.  :mrgreen:

It's a great piece.

Quote from: Pēleus on December 08, 2010, 08:11:40 PM
:magick:
http://www.boingboing.net/assets_c/2010/12/Screen-shot-2010-12-08-at-8.21-36544.html

:lulz:

Quote from: Pēleus on December 08, 2010, 08:11:40 PM
:magick:
http://www.boingboing.net/assets_c/2010/12/Screen-shot-2010-12-08-at-8.21-36544.html

:lulz:

Quote from: Cramulus on December 08, 2010, 04:40:17 PM

Quote from: Cramulus on December 07, 2010, 04:21:59 PM
feedback requested: http://23ae.com/2010/12/assange-is-not-the-target/

managed to grab 300 unique hits yesterday! Big thanks to everybody that helped spread it.  :mrgreen:

Quote
4chan-affiliated hacker group Anonymous has declared war on enemies of secret-sharing site Wikileaks. Internet war! Their first targets: PayPal, which won't facilitate donations to Wikileaks, and PostFinance, the Swiss bank that froze founder Julian Assange's accounts. Update: And Mastercard!

For all of the high-minded talk about censorship, information, and power, the publication of hundreds of classified diplomatic cables on secret-sharing site Wikileaks is also an act of very high-level trolling. So is it really any surprise that Anonymous, the vaguely-organized group of anti-Scientology troll-hacker-vigilantes known for hanging around the 4chan image boards, is striking out in his defense?

In their requisite self-serious flyer declaring "Operation Avenge Assange" ("We have a chance to fight in the first infowar ever fought," it reads), Anonymous tells itself: "PayPal is the enemy." (The flyer then lays out the rest of the hilariously earnest plan: Write letters to your congressman! Hold protests! Vote for Julian Assange in the "Time Person of the Year" poll!)

Unfortunately, PayPal might have been too much enemy for Anonymous. The main site doesn't seem to have been affected by the presumed DDoS attack (though the blog went down), and soldiers on facilitating eBay transactions and so forth.

But luckily for Anonymous, though, PayPal wasn't their only target. Another DDoS attack, this one aimed at the Swiss bank PostFinance, which froze Assange's assets, was very successful, and has kept the site down for some 24 hours as of this writing. Don't be down on yourselves, guys! One out of two ain't bad.

Of course, their attacks didn't come without counterattacks of their own: Anonymous' own site was reportedly the victim of an unsuccessful DDoS. But such are the wages of InfoWar, one supposes.

Assange, meanwhile, is still being detained by Britain, having been denied bail.

Update: Looks like they've improved to two-for-three! As of 11 a.m. EST on Wednesday, Mastercard's website has been down for at least two hours, presumably thanks to an Anonymous DDoS in response to Mastercard's refusal to process payments to Wikileaks. You can still use your card but, well, hope you didn't need to check your credit card bills today!

QuoteIn the Houston Press, an extensive blog post untangling an alarming story from the state department cables: "another horrific taxpayer-funded sex scandal for DynCorp, the private security contractor tasked with training the Afghan police," and apparent proof that the company procured male children for bacha bazi ("boy-play") parties.

The story boils down to this: this company, headquartered in DC with Texas offices, helped pimp out little boys as sex slaves to stoned cops in Afghanistan:

   

QuoteFor Pashtuns in the South of Afghanistan, there is no shame in having a little boy lover; on the contrary, it is a matter of pride. Those who can afford the most attractive boy are the players in their world, the OG's of places like Kandahar and Khost. On the Frontline video, ridiculously macho warrior guys brag about their young boyfriends utterly without shame.

    So perhaps in the evil world of Realpolitik, in which there is apparently no moral compass US private contractors won't smash to smithereens, it made sense for DynCorp to drug up some Pashtun police recruits and turn them loose on a bunch of little boys. But according to the leaked document, Atmar, the Afghani interior minister, was terrified this story would catch a reporter's ear.

    He urged the US State Department to shut down a reporter he heard was snooping around, and was horrified that a rumored videotape of the party might surface. He predicted that any story about the party would "endanger lives." He said that his government had arrested two Afghan police and nine Afghan civilians on charges of "purchasing a service from a child" in connection with the party, but that he was worried about the image of their "foreign mentors," by which he apparently meant DynCorp. American diplomats told him to chill. They apparently had a better handle on our media than Atmar, because when a report of the party finally did emerge, it was neutered to the point of near-falsehood.

Read the whole post. (http://blogs.houstonpress.com/hairballs/2010/12/wikileaks_texas_company_helped.php)

Frontline covered the phenomenon earlier this year—I watched the documentary when it first aired in the US. It was hard to watch. The notion that an American company enabled the sexual and physical abuse of kids like this is nauseating. Video embedded below, may be geo-blocked for folks outside the USA.

Quote"No wonder others are keeping silent about Assange's antics," ABC News quoted Ms Palin as saying in an email.

"This is what happens when you exercise the First Amendment and speak against his sick, un-American espionage efforts."

Quote from: Lysergic on December 08, 2010, 11:56:10 PM
Irony much?
After being attacked by anonymous Sarah Palin replied:

Quote"No wonder others are keeping silent about Assange's antics," ABC News quoted Ms Palin as saying in an email.

"This is what happens when you exercise the First Amendment and speak against his sick, un-American espionage efforts."

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/in-depth/wikileaks/anonymous-hackers-hit-visa-mastercard-in-wikileaks-revenge/story-fn775xjq-1225968083650

:lulz:

Quote from: Sigmatic on December 09, 2010, 01:30:46 AM

Quote from: Lysergic on December 08, 2010, 11:56:10 PM
Irony much?
After being attacked by anonymous Sarah Palin replied:

Quote"No wonder others are keeping silent about Assange's antics," ABC News quoted Ms Palin as saying in an email.

"This is what happens when you exercise the First Amendment and speak against his sick, un-American espionage efforts."

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/in-depth/wikileaks/anonymous-hackers-hit-visa-mastercard-in-wikileaks-revenge/story-fn775xjq-1225968083650

:lulz:

How can this be?

QuoteThe odd thing about Wikileaks is that their success has been assured, not by what they leaked, though there is some important information there, but by their enemies.

The massive and indiscriminant overreaction by both government and powerful corporate actors has ensured this, and includes but is not nearly limited to:

Shutting down Wikileaks servers, starting with the Amazon server
Stopping domain name server propagation
Paypal refusing to send payments
VISA and Mastercard refusing to process payments
The Swiss Bank PostFinance shutting down Assange's account
Senator Lieberman pressuring firms over Wikileaks
The odd behavior of prosecutors in the Assange rape accusations/case

Wikileaks and Assange have now been made in to cause celebres.  If corporations and governments can destroy someone's access to the modern economy as they have Wikileaks, without even pretending due process of the law (Paypal, VISA, Mastercard, Amazon, etc... were not ordered by any court to cut Wikileaks) then we simply do not live in a free society of law, let alone a society of justice.

Ironically the Wikileaks files reveal that the British fixed their inquiry into the war, and that the US pressured the Spanish government to stop a war crimes court case against ex-members of the Bush administration.  Assange and Wikileaks are subject to extreme judicial and extrajudicial sanctions, but people who engaged in aggressive war based on lies, tortured people and are responsible for deaths well into the six figures, walk free.

To be just, law must be applied to both the big and the small.  Thousands of executives at banks who engaged in systematic fraud were never charged, out and out war criminals are actively protected, and Wikileaks and Assange are hunted like animals?

This has enraged, in particular, the Hacktivist community, with Anonymous forming Operation Payback and shutting down both Mastercard servers and the Swiss Bank PostFinance's website.  As they themselves say, what enraged them was multiple companies attempting to shut Wikileaks down, both on the web, and financially.

While there is no comparison between what Assange has done and what happened on 9/11 (his actions are those of a free press), the rabid and indiscrimant overreaction of the the US in particular and the West in general is similar.   And what it has done is make Assange into a martyr, an icon for freedom of speech and a symbol of politically motivated repression.  It has done the same for Wikileaks and made Wikileaks a cause celebre.

It has proved that the West is run by authoritarian thugs with completely twisted priorities. Kill hundreds of thousands of people and engage in aggressive war?  No big deal.  Cause the greatest economic collapse of the post-war period sending millions into poverty?  We couldn't possibly prosecute the people who did that, but we will give them trillions!  Reveal our petty secrets and lies, and that we know the war in Afghanistan is lost, have known for years and continue to kill both Afghanis and our own soldiers pointlessly?  We WILL destroy you, no matter what we have to do.

Which leads us to the rape charges against Assange.  Given what we know right now about the case against him, it appears that is going to come down to he said/she said.  Unless the Swedish prosecutors have a smoking gun, even if Assange is convicted, most of his supporters will never believe the case wasn't at the least heavily tainted by political pressure, and at worst, a set up.  And if he is extradited from Sweden to the US to face some sort of charges, the howling will reach the high heavens.  He will be a martyr for the cause.  The more he is persecuted, the more many will rally around both him, and his child, Wikileaks.

Because of the massive overreaction to Wikileaks, the case against him is completely tainted.  He might be guilty as sin, but justice can no longer be seen to be done, because it is far too evident that too many powerful people, corporations and governments want him taken out.

And so he has won.  Whether he winds up free, in prison in Sweden or the US, or winds up dead, he has won this round.  He will be a martyr and an icon, and his child, Wikileaks, whether it lives or dies, will become a rallying point and a symbol of how corrupt and unjust western society is.

QuoteFrom TFA:
It looks to have surprised even Barlow, whose "declaration of independence for cyberspace" has been increasingly shared over Twitter by Anonymous supporters. He says he himself opposes distributed denial of service (DDoS) attacks aimed at knocking down sites, viewing them as anti-free-speech.

"I support freedom of expression, no matter whose, so I oppose DDoS attacks regardless of their target," he told Reuters in an email. "They're the poison gas of cyberspace.... All that said, I suspect the attacks may continue until Assange is free and WikiLeaks is not under continuous assault."

QuoteFrom TFA:
"This whole... episode is causing a snowball effect," said Noa Bar Yosef, senior security strategist from Imperva. "The more attention it is receiving, the more people who are joining the voluntary botnet to cause the DDoS."

QuoteSaudi Arabia proposed an Arab-led military force to destroy Hezbollah in Lebanon two years ago, a US diplomatic cable published by Wikileaks suggests.

Foreign Minister Prince Saud al-Faisal presented a senior US diplomat with a plan for a force backed by US and Nato air and sea power.

The US responded by expressing scepticism about the military feasibility of the plan.

Hezbollah is a Shia paramilitary group and political movement.

While Syria and Iran are Hezbollah's main regional allies, Saudi Arabia has strong ties with the country's Sunni community and the current Prime Minister Saad Hariri, son of the murdered ex-prime minister.

The cable is describes a meeting in May 2008 between David Satterfield, a senior US State Department official, and Prince Saud al-Faisal.

At the meeting the prince "argued for an 'Arab force' to create and maintain order in and around Beirut. The US and Nato would need to provide transport and logistical support, as well as 'naval and air cover'. Saud said that a Hezbollah victory in Beirut would mean the end of the Siniora government and the 'Iranian takeover' of Lebanon".

The cable came days after armed Hezbollah members took over parts of central Beirut threatening to overthrow the government of Lebanese Prime Minister Fouad Siniora.

According to the cable, the Saudi foreign minister argued that a Hezbollah victory against the Siniora government "combined with Iranian actions in Iraq and on the Palestinian front would be a disaster for the US and the entire region".

He argued that the situation called for an "Arab force drawn from Arab 'periphery' states to deploy to Beirut under the 'cover of the UN'".

Saud al-Faisal said Mr Siniora strongly backed the idea.

QuoteDutch police arrested a 16-year-old teenager on Wednesday for his involvement in the online attacks against Visa and Mastercard, organized by supporters of WikiLeaks.

According to a press release by the Netherlands' Public Prosecution Service, the boy has confessed to participating in the attacks. They believe he is a part of a much larger group of hackers, who they are in the process of tracking down.

Quote from: Requia ☣ on December 09, 2010, 11:35:49 PM
Note that there is zero investigation over the DDoS attacks on Wikileaks, despite a confession to them posted on Twitter  :roll:

Quote from: Pēleus on December 10, 2010, 12:06:22 AM
http://erictric.com/2010/12/08/paypal-vows-to-release-wikileaks-funds-account-to-remain-blocked/

HUZZAH!

Quote from: Rainy Day Pixie on December 08, 2010, 11:57:45 AM
http://www.boingboing.net/2010/12/07/report-wikileaks-cab.html

this is a blog post on how a Texan security company has been facilitating the pimping out of young boys to some afgans.

Quote from: Requia ☣ on December 10, 2010, 03:36:34 AM

Quote from: Rainy Day Pixie on December 08, 2010, 11:57:45 AM
http://www.boingboing.net/2010/12/07/report-wikileaks-cab.html

this is a blog post on how a Texan security company has been facilitating the pimping out of young boys to some afgans.

Currently dealing with someone who thinks this is no big deal.   :argh!:

Quote from: Pēleus on December 10, 2010, 12:17:41 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhXid6PmkO4
NEW http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0xLyoc9DxU
:lulz:

Quote from: Pēleus on December 10, 2010, 12:17:41 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhXid6PmkO4
NEW http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0xLyoc9DxU
:lulz:

Quote from: Ferka Zarco on December 09, 2010, 11:20:36 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/09/teen-arrested-wikileaks-attacks_n_794641.html

QuoteDutch police arrested a 16-year-old teenager on Wednesday for his involvement in the online attacks against Visa and Mastercard, organized by supporters of WikiLeaks.

According to a press release by the Netherlands' Public Prosecution Service, the boy has confessed to participating in the attacks. They believe he is a part of a much larger group of hackers, who they are in the process of tracking down.

Well, fuck. Anonymous over.

Quote from: Requia ☣ on December 10, 2010, 03:36:34 AM

Quote from: Rainy Day Pixie on December 08, 2010, 11:57:45 AM
http://www.boingboing.net/2010/12/07/report-wikileaks-cab.html

this is a blog post on how a Texan security company has been facilitating the pimping out of young boys to some afgans.

Currently dealing with someone who thinks this is no big deal.   :argh!:

Quote from: Cain on December 10, 2010, 01:28:42 PM
I would usually agree with the "prosecute those only actually responsible crowd", except for I am convinced that in many cases, private military companies are aware their people are trafficking in kids, drugs, weapons etc and actively encourage and facilitate it, or turn a blind eye because someone within the administration (military command, Pentagon, CIA, State Dept) has said whoever they're providing these "services" to is too important to lose control over.

Which is a whole different level of culpability.

I mean, hell, plenty of these mercenaries have a rap sheet as long as my arm, and many are looking to serve abroad precisely because it is better than having their local law enforcement pick them up and make them serve time at home.  Many of the crimes are of a violent nature, and some are sexual.  At the very least that is negligence on the part of the companies.

Quote from: Triple Zero on December 10, 2010, 11:50:10 AM
hehehe "leekspin", great name that.

and indeed Telarus quote is a great idea, so I combined both, maybe people can spread that img too:

(http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/4230/ctar.jpg)




and WOW the "OM" is the Dutch name for the public prosecutor :lulz:

and it is retarded how quickly they got the 16yo kid attacking MasterCard, while the police seems to claim being hands-tied on pretty much everything else.

Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on December 10, 2010, 01:19:51 PM
I got into it last night with someone about this.  I took the "the entire company should come down because of this" stance that I honestly believe.  He took the "only the people responsible should go down" position that happens more often than not.  I accused him of being on the "raping of boys" side which, in hindsight, may have been unfair.  This leak more than any other really gets under my skin and if it was being given the sort of glaring spotlight it deserves, I don't think any organization could or should be able to survive it.

Quote from: Requia ☣ on December 10, 2010, 05:36:09 PM

Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on December 10, 2010, 01:19:51 PM
I got into it last night with someone about this.  I took the "the entire company should come down because of this" stance that I honestly believe.  He took the "only the people responsible should go down" position that happens more often than not.  I accused him of being on the "raping of boys" side which, in hindsight, may have been unfair.  This leak more than any other really gets under my skin and if it was being given the sort of glaring spotlight it deserves, I don't think any organization could or should be able to survive it.

I wish it was that simple, no he's saying that it's 'culturally acceptable' there, and denying that DynCorp or its employees did anything wrong.  And that the coverup was a good thing.

Quote from: LMNO, PhD on December 10, 2010, 02:43:15 PM
I just heard on the BBC that there is talk of declaring wikileaks a "terrorist organization" due to the DDoS attacks.

Quote from: Pēleus on December 10, 2010, 07:28:06 PM

Quote from: LMNO, PhD on December 10, 2010, 02:43:15 PM
I just heard on the BBC that there is talk of declaring wikileaks a "terrorist organization" due to the DDoS attacks.

Someone should really chain their doors closed

Quote from: Golden Applesauce on December 10, 2010, 03:50:22 PM

Quote from: Triple Zero on December 10, 2010, 11:50:10 AM
hehehe "leekspin", great name that.

and indeed Telarus quote is a great idea, so I combined both, maybe people can spread that img too:

(http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/4230/ctar.jpg)




and WOW the "OM" is the Dutch name for the public prosecutor :lulz:

and it is retarded how quickly they got the 16yo kid attacking MasterCard, while the police seems to claim being hands-tied on pretty much everything else.

:mittens:

Okay, so who knows where I should be xposting this?  Do they still organize this shit at /b/?

Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on December 10, 2010, 09:34:20 PM
US Military to ban thumb drives and other removable media..  yet again.

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2010/12/military-bans-disks-threatens-courts-martials-to-stop-new-leaks/

not because of worms or virus's this time though, and I get the feeling this one will stick.

QuotePointing to a chalkboard, Beck rattled off the following list of names: "Eric Holder, Senator McConnell, Senator McCaskill ... Senator Lieberman, Mike Huckebee, Senator Feinstein ... Senator Christoper Bond ... Sarah Palin," he added, with a pronounced sadness in his voice. According to Beck, "some of these people haven't put it together yet."

Later, Beck criticized Palin for a statement she made urging the US government to go after Assange like a terrorist.

Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on December 11, 2010, 02:14:44 AM

QuotePointing to a chalkboard, Beck rattled off the following list of names: "Eric Holder, Senator McConnell, Senator McCaskill ... Senator Lieberman, Mike Huckebee, Senator Feinstein ... Senator Christoper Bond ... Sarah Palin," he added, with a pronounced sadness in his voice. According to Beck, "some of these people haven't put it together yet."

Later, Beck criticized Palin for a statement she made urging the US government to go after Assange like a terrorist.

http://www.tvsquad.com/2010/12/10/glenn-beck-turns-on-sarah-palin-over-her-criticism-of-julian-ass/

These truly are the end times. 

QuoteAccording to Beck, Assange is somewhat misunderstood by people like Palin.  Beck sees Assange as something of a chess piece in much larger game of geopolitics.  Yesterday Beck went as far as to say that a global revolution has already started with Assange as one of the key figures in it all.  Under Beck's theory, the progressives will use Assange as part of a broader effort to regulate media and the internet.  Beck seems to take issue with Palin for not seeing this larger picture involving a global conspiracy from the left.

Quote from: Requia ☣ on December 10, 2010, 08:07:57 PM

Quote from: Pēleus on December 10, 2010, 07:28:06 PM

Quote from: LMNO, PhD on December 10, 2010, 02:43:15 PM
I just heard on the BBC that there is talk of declaring wikileaks a "terrorist organization" due to the DDoS attacks.

Someone should really chain their doors closed

Talk about blaming the victim...

Now, declaring Anon terrorists I would understand, that one is really only a matter of time.

Quote from: Pēleus on December 11, 2010, 02:49:10 AM

Quote from: Requia ☣ on December 10, 2010, 08:07:57 PM

Quote from: Pēleus on December 10, 2010, 07:28:06 PM

Quote from: LMNO, PhD on December 10, 2010, 02:43:15 PM
I just heard on the BBC that there is talk of declaring wikileaks a "terrorist organization" due to the DDoS attacks.

Someone should really chain their doors closed

Talk about blaming the victim...

Now, declaring Anon terrorists I would understand, that one is really only a matter of time.

Don't buy it, its like those tree huggers chaining themselfs to things
And then declaring all vegans terrorists

Quote from: Pastor-Mullah Zappathruster on December 11, 2010, 02:21:54 AM
http://www.examiner.com/political-buzz-in-national/glenn-beck-criticizes-sarah-palin-for-her-comments-on-julian-assange-video

QuoteAccording to Beck, Assange is somewhat misunderstood by people like Palin.  Beck sees Assange as something of a chess piece in much larger game of geopolitics.  Yesterday Beck went as far as to say that a global revolution has already started with Assange as one of the key figures in it all.  Under Beck's theory, the progressives will use Assange as part of a broader effort to regulate media and the internet.  Beck seems to take issue with Palin for not seeing this larger picture involving a global conspiracy from the left.

Quote from: Rainy Day Pixie on December 08, 2010, 11:57:45 AM
http://www.boingboing.net/2010/12/07/report-wikileaks-cab.html

this is a blog post on how a Texan security company has been facilitating the pimping out of young boys to some afgans.

Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on December 11, 2010, 08:49:49 PM
In other pedophilia related news.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40616870/ns/us_news-wikileaks_in_security/

How dare the Irish government stop the pope from raping children!

Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on December 11, 2010, 08:49:49 PM
In other pedophilia related news.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40616870/ns/us_news-wikileaks_in_security/

How dare the Irish government stop the pope from raping children!

Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on December 11, 2010, 05:38:44 PM
Everyone shut up,
Ron Paul is speaking.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxPB9yy7IJ4

Quote from: Requia ☣ on December 11, 2010, 09:18:36 PM

Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on December 11, 2010, 05:38:44 PM
Everyone shut up,
Ron Paul is speaking.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxPB9yy7IJ4

I hate Ron Paul so much.  He either needs to be a crazy teabagger or have a well reasoned political position, he's giving me whiplash.

Quote from: Able on December 11, 2010, 10:22:49 PM
Not as weird as having the blackboard dunce agreeing with you

Quote from: Able on December 11, 2010, 10:22:49 PM
Not as weird as having the blackboard dunce agreeing with you

Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on December 11, 2010, 08:49:49 PM
In other pedophilia related news.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40616870/ns/us_news-wikileaks_in_security/

How dare the Irish government stop the pope from raping children!

Quote from: Able on December 11, 2010, 10:53:57 PM
If he keeps it up, I might be tempted to actually watch his show and not just see the feud from the daily show

Quote from: Faust on December 11, 2010, 11:41:18 PM

Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on December 11, 2010, 08:49:49 PM
In other pedophilia related news.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40616870/ns/us_news-wikileaks_in_security/

How dare the Irish government stop the pope from raping children!

This was pretty much a given here, The church won't accept any responsibility. Its actually created a huge schism in the church here. People are leaving the church in droves including dismayed priests.
Its become polarized between young intelligent priests who actually do a lot of good in their communities who are crying out for Rome to get involved, and old useless scaremongering shits covering up the abuses of the last fifty years.

Quote from: Hover Cat on December 11, 2010, 11:51:53 PM
^ That shut the door behind me.

I wonder how many Discordians are ex-Catholics?

Quote from: Hover Cat on December 11, 2010, 11:51:53 PM
^ That shut the door behind me.

I wonder how many Discordians are ex-Catholics?

Quote from: Doktor Phox on December 11, 2010, 11:43:07 PM

Quote from: Faust on December 11, 2010, 11:41:18 PM

Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on December 11, 2010, 08:49:49 PM
In other pedophilia related news.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40616870/ns/us_news-wikileaks_in_security/

How dare the Irish government stop the pope from raping children!

This was pretty much a given here, The church won't accept any responsibility. Its actually created a huge schism in the church here. People are leaving the church in droves including dismayed priests.
Its become polarized between young intelligent priests who actually do a lot of good in their communities who are crying out for Rome to get involved, and old useless scaremongering shits covering up the abuses of the last fifty years.

This is one of the many fucking reasons I left the Church.

Quote from: Faust on December 12, 2010, 12:08:33 AM
A lot of my friends are bitter ex Catholics. There is still a lot of good in the Irish church, its just got a lot of bad people. There wouldn't have been any education in Ireland under Brittish rule if it wasn't for the church.
It needs to completely cut off from Rome and arrest 90% of the old clergy.

Quote from: Doktor Phox on December 12, 2010, 12:11:43 AM

Quote from: Faust on December 12, 2010, 12:08:33 AM
A lot of my friends are bitter ex Catholics. There is still a lot of good in the Irish church, its just got a lot of bad people. There wouldn't have been any education in Ireland under Brittish rule if it wasn't for the church.
It needs to completely cut off from Rome and arrest 90% of the old clergy.

The American Church... well, keep the schools get rid of the Church, and we'll be fine.

Quote from: Hover Cat on December 11, 2010, 11:51:53 PM
^ That shut the door behind me.

I wonder how many Discordians are ex-Catholics?

Quote from: Requia ☣ on December 12, 2010, 07:13:20 AM
How do you manage to be Catholic and not baptized?  They usually drag you in for that pretty quick.

Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on December 12, 2010, 06:04:35 PM
In less scandalous news,
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-may-pass-new-law-to-prosecute-assange-2158070.ht
ml

Apparently Julian hasnt actually broken any laws, SO WERE GOING TO MAKE UP NEW ONES!

Quote from: Requia ☣ on December 12, 2010, 06:45:16 PM
Has the entire fucking country forgotten that you can't prosecute ex post facto here?

Quote from: Triple Zero on December 12, 2010, 07:43:13 PM

Quote from: Requia ☣ on December 12, 2010, 06:45:16 PM
Has the entire fucking country forgotten that you can't prosecute ex post facto here?

That means you can't retroactively prosecute people for acts they did before the actual laws that would have allowed prosecution were made, right?

I know we have that rule in NL, good to hear the US has the same thing.

(Regret, that's the reason why they could never bust Kooistra [the big horeca magnate], before he offed himself. He and his team of accountants used such complicated fiscal trickery that Dutch law never quite covered it. They did actually pass a bunch of laws specifically related to his tricks, but of course could not prosecute him retroactively--though it did prevent him from using the exact same trick again, of course)

Quote from: Regret on December 13, 2010, 12:00:56 AM
Thanks for the explanation, but i already understood it.

My YAY FOR PROGRESS stands, sarcastically.

Quote from: Able on December 13, 2010, 12:13:25 AM
http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/12/12/north.korea.wikileaks.clapton/
One of the diplomatic cables published by WikiLeaks reveals that North Korean officials suggested the U.S. government make arrangements for rock icon Eric Clapton to perform in Pyongyang as a way of building "good will" between the countries.

:lulz:

Quote from: Doktor Phox on December 13, 2010, 12:15:50 AM

Quote from: Able on December 13, 2010, 12:13:25 AM
http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/12/12/north.korea.wikileaks.clapton/
One of the diplomatic cables published by WikiLeaks reveals that North Korean officials suggested the U.S. government make arrangements for rock icon Eric Clapton to perform in Pyongyang as a way of building "good will" between the countries.

:lulz:

Well, it's no secret that Kim Jong Il loves Eric Clapton.  :lulz:

Quote from: Jerry_Frankster on December 13, 2010, 01:01:45 AM

Quote from: Doktor Phox on December 13, 2010, 12:15:50 AM

Quote from: Able on December 13, 2010, 12:13:25 AM
http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/12/12/north.korea.wikileaks.clapton/
One of the diplomatic cables published by WikiLeaks reveals that North Korean officials suggested the U.S. government make arrangements for rock icon Eric Clapton to perform in Pyongyang as a way of building "good will" between the countries.

:lulz:

Well, it's no secret that Kim Jong Il loves Eric Clapton.  :lulz:

Really? I always saw him as more of a Bieber man, myself.

Quote from: Doktor Phox on December 13, 2010, 12:15:50 AM

Quote from: Able on December 13, 2010, 12:13:25 AM
http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/12/12/north.korea.wikileaks.clapton/
One of the diplomatic cables published by WikiLeaks reveals that North Korean officials suggested the U.S. government make arrangements for rock icon Eric Clapton to perform in Pyongyang as a way of building "good will" between the countries.

:lulz:

Well, it's no secret that Kim Jong Il loves Eric Clapton.  :lulz:

Quote from: Able on December 13, 2010, 04:34:15 AM
http://213.251.145.96/cable/2010/01/10BELGRADE3.html
The EU must be willing to offer Serbia carrots and sticks until there is a clearly accepted understanding of where Serbia ends and the Republic of Kosovo begins, while maintaining Kosovo's current territorial integrity.

Quote from: Requia ☣ on December 13, 2010, 04:55:08 AM

Quote from: Able on December 13, 2010, 04:34:15 AM
http://213.251.145.96/cable/2010/01/10BELGRADE3.html
The EU must be willing to offer Serbia carrots and sticks until there is a clearly accepted understanding of where Serbia ends and the Republic of Kosovo begins, while maintaining Kosovo's current territorial integrity.

Um, that sounds perfectly reasonable, in general.  Depends on what the carrots and sticks actually are.  (Unless maybe they were suggesting the EU literally offer Serbia carrots).

Quote from: E.O.T. on December 13, 2010, 05:12:59 AM
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/12/08/gordon-duff-busted-wikileaks-working-for-israel/

Assange agreed to connections with media in return for "disappearing" info about Israel in general & 9/11?
I had this link forwarded by one friend. It's a pretty great read. Anyone familiar with this?

Quoteveteranstoday

Quote from: E.O.T. on December 13, 2010, 05:12:59 AM
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/12/08/gordon-duff-busted-wikileaks-working-for-israel/

Assange agreed to connections with media in return for "disappearing" info about Israel in general & 9/11?
I had this link forwarded by one friend. It's a pretty great read. Anyone familiar with this?

Quote from: Requia ☣ on December 13, 2010, 05:27:42 AM
It occurs to me that the only way the media helping Wikileaks in exchange for shutting up about Israel only makes sense if you buy into a Jewish conspiracy that controls the media.

Quote from: Iason Ouabache on December 13, 2010, 05:28:23 AM

Quote from: E.O.T. on December 13, 2010, 05:12:59 AM
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/12/08/gordon-duff-busted-wikileaks-working-for-israel/

Assange agreed to connections with media in return for "disappearing" info about Israel in general & 9/11?
I had this link forwarded by one friend. It's a pretty great read. Anyone familiar with this?

There have been some cables from Tel Aviv but none of them have been very exciting so far. I'm really hoping that something leaks about Israel's nuclear program becase the shitstorm that would create would be EPIC.

Quote from: Requia ☣ on December 13, 2010, 05:27:42 AM
It occurs to me that the only way the media helping Wikileaks in exchange for shutting up about Israel only makes sense if you buy into a Jewish conspiracy that controls the media.

QuoteWhat won't we see in Wikileaks:

Nothing in Wikileaks will accuse anyone, even Pakistan or Afghanistan, or complicity in narcotics trafficking nor mention the huge new narcotics industry operating in Iraq.  Ask yourself why.

One of the biggest areas of complaint in the Pentagon, more classified White Papers have been written on this than anything else:  "How Israel is Endangering the United States"

In fact, the biggest "classified" debate in America is what supporting Israel, a nation with incredible wealth and utterly obnoxious leaders costs the United States.  Rumors of such issues aren't rumors at all.  When General Petraeus presented his now famous power-point presentation to Admiral Mullen, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, outlining how Israel is undermining American foreign policy, he wasn't operating without tens of thousands of pages of intelligence behind him.  Not one page, not one word of these studies will be in Wikileaks.

When Vice President Joe Biden said the following to Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu:    
"This is starting to get dangerous for us, what you're doing here undermines the security of our troops who are fighting in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan. That endangers us and it endangers regional peace."
Are we to believe these statements were taken out of thin air?

Quote from: E.O.T. on December 13, 2010, 05:35:13 AM

Quote from: Requia ☣ on December 13, 2010, 05:27:42 AM
It occurs to me that the only way the media helping Wikileaks in exchange for shutting up about Israel only makes sense if you buy into a Jewish conspiracy that controls the media.

:cn:

QuoteThe distinction I'm drawing is that it is easier, from a policy standpoint, to prosecute Assange. There's a clearer case with respect to Assange. With regard to the [New York] Times, I think, just as a matter of discretion, I would hold back.

Quote from: Able on December 13, 2010, 07:38:30 AM
Julian Assange should be awarded Nobel peace prize, suggests Russia
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/dec/09/julian-assange-nobel-peace-prize

Quote from: geekdad on December 13, 2010, 08:12:32 AM

Quote from: Able on December 13, 2010, 07:38:30 AM
Julian Assange should be awarded Nobel peace prize, suggests Russia
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/dec/09/julian-assange-nobel-peace-prize

Until there are leaks from Russia, then it'll be "OFF WITH THEIR HEADS"

Quote from: Charley Brown on December 13, 2010, 08:21:24 PM
CNN's Don Lemon talks to an ex-CIA analyst on whether Julian Assange is a journalist or an antagonist.

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 13, 2010, 08:47:50 PM

Quote from: Charley Brown on December 13, 2010, 08:21:24 PM
CNN's Don Lemon talks to an ex-CIA analyst on whether Julian Assange is a journalist or an antagonist.

Properly done, they are the same thing.  Don Lemon is a moron.

Quote from: Charley Brown on December 13, 2010, 08:21:24 PM
CNN's Don Lemon talks to an ex-CIA analyst on whether Julian Assange is a journalist or an antagonist.

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2010/12/13/nr.assange.journalist.cnn?hpt=T2

Quote from: Able on December 13, 2010, 08:04:01 PM
Is that the wiki rebels documentary I've been hearing about?

Quoteplease know that we stand ready and willing to support your efforts to 'close those gaps' in the law

Quote from: Cain on December 14, 2010, 12:41:27 PM
Wikileaks just went viral.

In the past week, OpenLeaks, Balkanleaks, BrusselsLeaks and Rospil.info (RussiaLeaks) have all been launched or announced.  I just hope they get translators in for the Balkan and Russian sites...

QuoteA Russian political activist and blogger named Alexei Navalny, who is apparently very popular among the vast majority of Russians who aren't part of the oligarchy, has set up a whistleblowing website to try to expose political corruption in the country.

The site is modeled—roughly—on Wikileaks. It allows anyone to publish information detailing corrupt practices and discuss it.

Navalny was dubbed "Russia's Erin Brokovich" by Time in March. He has a background in corporate law and has tried to expose opaque and suspicious dealings at companies including oil giant Gazprom and the state-owned bank VTB. He seems to use his status as a shareholder in some of these companies as a way of literally getting in the door. He crashed a shareholders meeting of the Russian oil company Surgutneftegas in 2008.

Quote from: Cain on December 14, 2010, 02:41:52 PM
The founder of Rospil is quite an interesting fellow

http://www.good.is/post/a-wikileaks-copycat-wants-to-expose-corruption-in-russia/

QuoteA Russian political activist and blogger named Alexei Navalny, who is apparently very popular among the vast majority of Russians who aren't part of the oligarchy, has set up a whistleblowing website to try to expose political corruption in the country.

The site is modeled—roughly—on Wikileaks. It allows anyone to publish information detailing corrupt practices and discuss it.

Navalny was dubbed "Russia's Erin Brokovich" by Time in March. He has a background in corporate law and has tried to expose opaque and suspicious dealings at companies including oil giant Gazprom and the state-owned bank VTB. He seems to use his status as a shareholder in some of these companies as a way of literally getting in the door. He crashed a shareholders meeting of the Russian oil company Surgutneftegas in 2008.

Quote from: Weltbürger (NSFW) on December 14, 2010, 05:21:18 PM
Assange not in jail anymore. Has to wear electric shackles though.

And have you seen his son's twitter? http://twitter.com/somnidea

Quote from: Weltbürger (NSFW) on December 14, 2010, 05:21:18 PM
Assange not in jail anymore. Has to wear electric shackles though.

And have you seen his son's twitter? http://twitter.com/somnidea

Quote from: Joh'Nyx on December 15, 2010, 03:49:07 AM
Airforce has blocked several newspapers websites.

Oh, retard headline, misleading as to think it was a shutdown of the sites, not merely doing webblock on their computers.  :argh!:

Quote from: Joh'Nyx on December 15, 2010, 03:49:07 AM
Airforce has blocked several newspapers websites.

Oh, retard headline, misleading as to think it was a shutdown of the sites, not merely doing webblock on their computers.  :argh!:

Quote from: Risus on December 15, 2010, 08:00:55 AM
(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/wikileaks.png)

Quote from: Sigmatic on December 15, 2010, 04:40:29 AM
Yeah, they totally flew planes in and bombed the servers.  :lol:

Quote from: Ferka Zarco on December 15, 2010, 11:21:18 AM
http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/7/2010/12/assangegood.png

http://mashable.com/2010/12/13/julian-assange-okcupid/#6043Self-Summary

Quote from: Cain on December 15, 2010, 09:56:22 AM

Quote from: Sigmatic on December 15, 2010, 04:40:29 AM
Yeah, they totally flew planes in and bombed the servers.  :lol:

The USAF has, for some retarded reason, been building up cyberwarfare capabilities most quickly among any branches of the US military (excluding the NSA, who are technically not a branch, despite coming under the authority of the Pentagon).

Quote from: Cramulus on December 15, 2010, 06:15:21 PM

WikiLeaks says that Iraq did have weapons of mass destruction and that Bush wasn't lying.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/uc/20101209/cm_uc_crlelx/op_2416261

Quote from: LMNO, PhD on December 15, 2010, 06:57:19 PM
For the record, googling "Noah Shachtman wikileaks yellowcake" only returns Elder's article. There is no corroborating story, nor anything from Wired magazine, or the Brookings institute.


I am dubious.

Quote from: LMNO, PhD on December 15, 2010, 07:26:50 PM
I'm pretty sure we already knew about the mustard gas.

QuoteMark Zuckerberg of Facebook named Time's person of 2010...
A Time poll showed readers favoured naming WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange this year but the magazine's editors and correspondents chose Zuckerberg.

Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on December 15, 2010, 09:07:40 PM
WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK IS THIS FUCKING SHIT?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-12001136

QuoteMark Zuckerberg of Facebook named Time's person of 2010...
A Time poll showed readers favoured naming WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange this year but the magazine's editors and correspondents chose Zuckerberg.

:argh!: :argh!: :argh!: :argh!: :argh!: :argh!:

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 15, 2010, 09:10:10 PM

Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on December 15, 2010, 09:07:40 PM
WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK IS THIS FUCKING SHIT?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-12001136

QuoteMark Zuckerberg of Facebook named Time's person of 2010...
A Time poll showed readers favoured naming WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange this year but the magazine's editors and correspondents chose Zuckerberg.

:argh!: :argh!: :argh!: :argh!: :argh!: :argh!:

HAW HAW!

Seriously, expecting what passes for "journalists" to endorse an actual journalist is like expecting the Grand Ole Opry to feature actual country music.

Both are a little too real for the pissants that play at them, you know what I mean?

Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on December 15, 2010, 09:16:17 PM

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 15, 2010, 09:10:10 PM

Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on December 15, 2010, 09:07:40 PM
WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK IS THIS FUCKING SHIT?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-12001136

QuoteMark Zuckerberg of Facebook named Time's person of 2010...
A Time poll showed readers favoured naming WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange this year but the magazine's editors and correspondents chose Zuckerberg.

:argh!: :argh!: :argh!: :argh!: :argh!: :argh!:

HAW HAW!

Seriously, expecting what passes for "journalists" to endorse an actual journalist is like expecting the Grand Ole Opry to feature actual country music.

Both are a little too real for the pissants that play at them, you know what I mean?

I still cant get over the fact that they picked ZUCKERBERG.

:argh!: :argh!: :argh!: :argh!: :argh!: :argh!: :argh!:

Quote from: LMNO, PhD on December 15, 2010, 07:28:43 PMYes, and that depresses me.

Especially considering that the above google search returned hundreds of repostings of Elder's piece, apparently without doing any fact checking as we just did.

Quote from: Joh'Nyx on December 15, 2010, 03:49:07 AMAirforce has blocked several newspapers websites.

Oh, retard headline, misleading as to think it was a shutdown of the sites, not merely doing webblock on their computers.  :argh!:

Quote from: Requia ☣ on December 17, 2010, 01:15:48 AM
He should have stepped up the release of the bank documents.

QuoteBradley Manning, the intelligence analyst who is alleged to have leaked the thousands of state department cables, has often been compared to Daniel Ellsberg who leaked the Pentagon Papers in 1971.

But I have stumbled on a film in the archives that tells the story of another leaker in America who tried to do the same thing, but even earlier.

He was a young State Department diplomat who stole and copied thousands of Top Secret cables. Like Daniel Ellsberg, his aim was to release them to stop America's involvement in what he believed was a disastrous foreign war.

He was called Tyler Kent. He was a diplomat at the US embassy in London in 1940 and he wanted to stop President Roosevelt bringing America into the war to help Britain.

It is a fascinating story, but it also brings an odd perspective to the contemporary Wikileaks story.

Tyler Kent was a horrible man. He was a rabid anti-communist who believed that the Jews had been behind the Russian Revolution.

He was convinced that Germany should be allowed to destroy both Communist Russia and the Jews. And America should not get in the way of that being allowed to happen.

Looking back, most people now feel that Daniel Ellsberg was right in 1971 because the Vietnam War had become a horrible disaster that needed exposing.

Today, we are not sure of Bradley Manning's motives (and it hasn't been proven that he is the source of the leak), but again there is a general feeling that it was good thing because the cables have exposed an empty nihilism at the heart of America's foreign policy.

But the perspective the Tyler Kent story brings is the realisation that diplomatic leaks are not automatically a good thing. It just depends on who is using them. And why.

Back in the past Tyler Kent wanted to use secret information to destroy the things that the overwhelming majority of the British people believed in and were prepared to fight for.

Back in 1982, Robert Harris tracked Tyler Kent down. He was living in a caravan in a trailer park on the US-Mexico border. Harris persuaded Kent to be interviewed and then made a film for Newsnight that told the story.

It is a great piece of historical journalism. Kent explains how his aim was to release the secret cables during the Presidential election campaign in 1940. Over 80% of the US population didn't want to go into the war – and the cables showed President Roosevelt secretly promising Churchill help against Germany.

Harris makes a powerful case in the film that if Kent had succeeded America would not have entered the war. And history would have been completely different.

Tyler Kent himself is weird and mesmerising. But still unrepentently anti-semitic.

And the film also shows just how easily Tyler Kent found willing accomplices in the heart of the British Establishment. They wanted to get rid of the Jews and communists too, even at the expense of their own country.

The film begins on the morning of the 20th May 1940. Churchill had been sending secret cables to Roosevelt begging for American help.

Quote from: Joh'Nyx on December 17, 2010, 07:37:27 PM

Isnt that a very subtle "IF PEOPLE LIKE MANNING ARENT STOPPED, HITLER WOULD HAVE CONQUERED THE WORLD/THE NAZIS OF OUR TIME WIN"

Quote from: Placid Dingo on December 18, 2010, 12:10:24 AM

Quote from: Joh'Nyx on December 17, 2010, 07:37:27 PM

Isnt that a very subtle "IF PEOPLE LIKE MANNING ARENT STOPPED, HITLER WOULD HAVE CONQUERED THE WORLD/THE NAZIS OF OUR TIME WIN"

It feel more like an argument against simplifying things into 'Leaks = Good.'

Quote from: Placid Dingo on December 18, 2010, 12:10:24 AM

Quote from: Joh'Nyx on December 17, 2010, 07:37:27 PM

Isnt that a very subtle "IF PEOPLE LIKE MANNING ARENT STOPPED, HITLER WOULD HAVE CONQUERED THE WORLD/THE NAZIS OF OUR TIME WIN"

It feel more like an argument against simplifying things into 'Leaks = Good.'

QuoteBack in the past Tyler Kent wanted to use secret information to destroy the things that the overwhelming majority of the British people believed in and were prepared to fight for.

Quote from: Placid Dingo on December 18, 2010, 03:58:36 AM
If you take the stance that leaking information is an inherently good act, you'll object to the lot.

But I kind of think that we should be saying, is this leak good, if so, why and for whom. As opposed to saying 'leaks = good' therefore this leak is good.

Quote from: Regret on December 18, 2010, 03:29:23 AM
Leaks are good if the public can be trusted.

Quote from: BadBeast on December 18, 2010, 09:05:49 AM

Quote from: Regret on December 18, 2010, 03:29:23 AM
Leaks are good if the public can be trusted.

Well if the Government doesn't trust the public, they should dissolve them, and elect a new, more trustworthy public.

Quote from: BadBeast on December 18, 2010, 09:05:49 AM

Quote from: Regret on December 18, 2010, 03:29:23 AM
Leaks are good if the public can be trusted.

Well if the Government doesn't trust the public, they should dissolve them, and elect a new, more trustworthy public.

Quote from: BadBeast on December 18, 2010, 09:05:49 AM

Quote from: Regret on December 18, 2010, 03:29:23 AM
Leaks are good if the public can be trusted.

Well if the Government doesn't trust the public, they should dissolve them, and elect a new, more trustworthy public.

Quote from: Able on December 13, 2010, 12:56:32 AM
OK CNN is fail, they merely talked about two car bombs going off in Sweden

Quote from: Able on December 19, 2010, 08:22:11 AM
Not sure what to make of the sicko ban cable. I trust Moore as much as I do my own government. And I can see the greater good mentality of cuba to ban the film in areas where they have a high level of dissent. With the blockage still kinda there and they do send doctors for international relations.

I don't think Moore is lying so more likely an extreme case of blinders

QuoteThe CIA has launched a task force to assess the impact of the exposure of thousands of U.S. diplomatic cables and military files by WikiLeaks.

Officially, the panel is called the WikiLeaks Task Force. But at CIA headquarters, it's mainly known by its all-too-apt acronym: W.T.F.

Quote from: Charley Brown on December 22, 2010, 06:46:49 PM
British officials in Bangladesh have confirmed Wikileaks reports that the UK is training a police force in the country accused of being a death squad.

Rapid Action Battalion members have been taught "interviewing techniques" and "rules of engagement" by the UK authorities, said the leaked cables.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-12057400

Damn.

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 22, 2010, 06:52:26 PM

Quote from: Charley Brown on December 22, 2010, 06:46:49 PM
British officials in Bangladesh have confirmed Wikileaks reports that the UK is training a police force in the country accused of being a death squad.

Rapid Action Battalion members have been taught "interviewing techniques" and "rules of engagement" by the UK authorities, said the leaked cables.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-12057400

Damn.

Like I said, Assange and his crew are the last investigative journalists in the world.

Quote from: Charley Brown on December 22, 2010, 06:56:33 PM

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 22, 2010, 06:52:26 PM

Quote from: Charley Brown on December 22, 2010, 06:46:49 PM
British officials in Bangladesh have confirmed Wikileaks reports that the UK is training a police force in the country accused of being a death squad.

Rapid Action Battalion members have been taught "interviewing techniques" and "rules of engagement" by the UK authorities, said the leaked cables.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-12057400

Damn.

Like I said, Assange and his crew are the last investigative journalists in the world.

You should see what the man-haters at MW say about him.

Quote from: Charley Brown on December 22, 2010, 06:46:49 PM
British officials in Bangladesh have confirmed Wikileaks reports that the UK is training a police force in the country accused of being a death squad.

Rapid Action Battalion members have been taught "interviewing techniques" and "rules of engagement" by the UK authorities, said the leaked cables.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-12057400

Damn.

QuoteBank of America registers brianmoynihanblows.com and brianmoynihansucks.com

Quote from: Cain on December 24, 2010, 12:09:36 PM

Quote from: Charley Brown on December 22, 2010, 06:46:49 PM
British officials in Bangladesh have confirmed Wikileaks reports that the UK is training a police force in the country accused of being a death squad.

Rapid Action Battalion members have been taught "interviewing techniques" and "rules of engagement" by the UK authorities, said the leaked cables.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-12057400

Damn.

There's something weird about that.  Apparently America stopped training said force because of its flagrant human rights abuses...yet, just look at Iraq and Afghanistan.

Anyway.  It looks like the Bank of America is afraid of something:

http://www.businessinsider.com/bank-of-america-registers-brianmoynihanblowscom-and-brianmoynihansuckscom-2010-12

QuoteBank of America registers brianmoynihanblows.com and brianmoynihansucks.com

And several other similar domains as well.  Just ahead of the scheduled Wikileaks dump on the banks...

Hmmm....

QuoteBank of America has snapped up hundreds of abusive domain names for its senior executives and board members in what is being perceived as a defensive strategy against the future publication of damaging insider info from whistleblowing Website WikiLeaks.

Quote from: Charley Brown on December 28, 2010, 08:02:31 PM
4chan knocked offline by denial-of-service attack
By Rob Pegoraro

A site that's been used to launch some of the Internet's more creatively malicious attacks has become the victim of one. 4chan, the free-form set of anonymous message boards behind such pranks as getting a racial slur atop Google's list of search topics and "denial-of-service" attacks against high-profile commercial sites, has been out of action since sometime this morning.

The site's founder, Christopher Poole (aka "moot"), posted the news on its status blog at 2:39 a.m.:

    Site is down due to DDoS. We now join the ranks of MasterCard, Visa, PayPal, et al.--an exclusive club!
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/fasterforward/2010/12/httpstatus4chanorg_site_is_dow.html

:lulz:

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 28, 2010, 08:35:08 PM

Quote from: Charley Brown on December 28, 2010, 08:02:31 PM
4chan knocked offline by denial-of-service attack
By Rob Pegoraro

A site that's been used to launch some of the Internet's more creatively malicious attacks has become the victim of one. 4chan, the free-form set of anonymous message boards behind such pranks as getting a racial slur atop Google's list of search topics and "denial-of-service" attacks against high-profile commercial sites, has been out of action since sometime this morning.

The site's founder, Christopher Poole (aka "moot"), posted the news on its status blog at 2:39 a.m.:

    Site is down due to DDoS. We now join the ranks of MasterCard, Visa, PayPal, et al.--an exclusive club!
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/fasterforward/2010/12/httpstatus4chanorg_site_is_dow.html

:lulz:

Oh, dear.  Either someone's hired the Russians, or some CIA nitwit has decided to lock horns with 40,000 bored nerds.

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 28, 2010, 08:35:08 PM

Quote from: Charley Brown on December 28, 2010, 08:02:31 PM
4chan knocked offline by denial-of-service attack
By Rob Pegoraro

A site that's been used to launch some of the Internet's more creatively malicious attacks has become the victim of one. 4chan, the free-form set of anonymous message boards behind such pranks as getting a racial slur atop Google's list of search topics and "denial-of-service" attacks against high-profile commercial sites, has been out of action since sometime this morning.

The site's founder, Christopher Poole (aka "moot"), posted the news on its status blog at 2:39 a.m.:

    Site is down due to DDoS. We now join the ranks of MasterCard, Visa, PayPal, et al.--an exclusive club!
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/fasterforward/2010/12/httpstatus4chanorg_site_is_dow.html

:lulz:

Oh, dear.  Either someone's hired the Russians, or some CIA nitwit has decided to lock horns with 40,000 bored nerds.

Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on December 28, 2010, 09:04:50 PM
4chan is Ddosed all the god damn time, this isnt special. Its probably some bored hacker with a botnet who got B&.

Quote from: Ratatosk on December 28, 2010, 09:05:55 PM

Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on December 28, 2010, 09:04:50 PM
4chan is Ddosed all the god damn time, this isnt special. Its probably some bored hacker with a botnet who got B&.

Also a definite possibility

Quote from: Ratatosk on December 28, 2010, 08:59:43 PM
There are at least a few so called hacker groups that are not particularly liberal and would probably see 4chan as an adversary. Just because they're geeks doesn't mean they're on the right side (points at Eric Raymond's views on Global Warming and laughs).

Quote from: Gray Jester on December 28, 2010, 11:18:56 PM

Quote from: Ratatosk on December 28, 2010, 08:59:43 PM
There are at least a few so called hacker groups that are not particularly liberal and would probably see 4chan as an adversary. Just because they're geeks doesn't mean they're on the right side (points at Eric Raymond's views on Global Warming and laughs).

ESR has some crazy ideas about things that aren't software.
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Also, the govt. has no reason to DDoS 4chan;  they aren't any more of a threat then they have been in the past.  If anything, they make people feel like they're doing something without actually taking meaningful action.

Quote from: Cain on December 29, 2010, 10:39:49 PM
Actually, this has all the hallmarks of a US government operation.

I mean, think about it...most of the members of "Anonymous", whether the hacktivist or the lulz-seeking type, don't actually hang around on 4chan anyway, and aren't welcome there.  So naturally, the US intelligence community would conclude that taking it offline would lessen the pressure on Visa, Mastercard etc

I mean, they attacked Iraq to punish Bin Laden, after all...

Quote from: Cain on December 29, 2010, 10:39:49 PM
Actually, this has all the hallmarks of a US government operation.

I mean, think about it...most of the members of "Anonymous", whether the hacktivist or the lulz-seeking type, don't actually hang around on 4chan anyway, and aren't welcome there.  So naturally, the US intelligence community would conclude that taking it offline would lessen the pressure on Visa, Mastercard etc

I mean, they attacked Iraq to punish Bin Laden, after all...

Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on December 28, 2010, 09:09:10 PM

Quote from: Ratatosk on December 28, 2010, 09:05:55 PM

Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on December 28, 2010, 09:04:50 PM
4chan is Ddosed all the god damn time, this isnt special. Its probably some bored hacker with a botnet who got B&.

Also a definite possibility

Note: I just checked and 4chan is back up. If you remember the severity of the Wikileaks Ddos then you can tell that this definitely isnt the government. 

Butthurt hacker theory confirmed.

Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on December 30, 2010, 12:51:40 AM

Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on December 28, 2010, 09:09:10 PM

Quote from: Ratatosk on December 28, 2010, 09:05:55 PM

Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on December 28, 2010, 09:04:50 PM
4chan is Ddosed all the god damn time, this isnt special. Its probably some bored hacker with a botnet who got B&.

Also a definite possibility

Note: I just checked and 4chan is back up. If you remember the severity of the Wikileaks Ddos then you can tell that this definitely isnt the government. 

Butthurt hacker theory confirmed.

http://twitter.com/th3j35t3r

Butthurt hacker theory double confirmed. Its just some hack the planet attention whore.

Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on December 31, 2010, 06:47:31 PM
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/106549-FBI-Raids-Texas-Company-in-Hunt-for-Anonymous

According to the article, IPs have been back-traced by the cyber police(theres an actual cyber police?) in the anonymous attack on Paypal. FBI says they are closing in on a few instigators after paypal supplied a few IPs used in an IRC chat to organize the raid (I'm guessing Paypal had an undercover agent).

Quote from: Jerry_Frankster on December 31, 2010, 09:25:20 PM

Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on December 31, 2010, 06:47:31 PM
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/106549-FBI-Raids-Texas-Company-in-Hunt-for-Anonymous

According to the article, IPs have been back-traced by the cyber police(theres an actual cyber police?) in the anonymous attack on Paypal. FBI says they are closing in on a few instigators after paypal supplied a few IPs used in an IRC chat to organize the raid (I'm guessing Paypal had an undercover agent).

Somebody dun goofed.

Quote from: Joh'Nyx on December 31, 2010, 11:44:31 PM
THE PROPAGANDA FROM [INSERT SCAPEGOAT] IS CORRUPT THEY!!111!!

Quote from: Able on January 01, 2011, 12:48:44 AM
Well they already started blaming emos...

Quote from: Able on January 01, 2011, 01:00:02 AM
how about blaming lady gaga?

Quote from: Doktor Blight on January 01, 2011, 01:06:43 AM

Quote from: Able on January 01, 2011, 01:00:02 AM
how about blaming lady gaga?

Acceptable, but shows lack of creativity on their part. Boxxy?

Quote from: Fujikoma on January 01, 2011, 02:43:26 AM
I had to look it up, at first I thought you might be talking about Boxy Brown from Aqua Teen Hunger Force (I don't go to 4chan). I thought this Che Guevara style rendition (or one like it) would be appropriate for such shenanigans. I still remember when they showed a picture of Weird Al Yankovich superimposed over an inverted pentagram on the news, blaming him for a school shooting...

The whole scapegoat thing is silly, but it's what they do... Like with the columbine tards, except they gave all the publicity to Marilyn Manson, when the kids were clearly too into KMFDM for their own good... Not that KMFDM was at fault, either.

Jeebus, that pic is BIG. lol

Quote from: Fujikoma on January 01, 2011, 04:39:17 PM
It always upsets me when the topic comes up in conversation, for no obvious reason, and other people just don't seem to give a shit WHY it happened, they just want to hate on the perpetrators, like "I don't care how such a thing could be prevented, I just want to seethe with hatred and condemnation", as if the way they were treated was somehow excusable.

Quote from: Joh'Nyx on January 01, 2011, 05:56:17 PM

What i meant is that people in general retardedly assume that an action can be intrinsically good or wrong, while there needs to be a context to a certain action always. To be more clear, this thought spawned from this:

Quote from: Fujikoma on January 01, 2011, 04:39:17 PM
It always upsets me when the topic comes up in conversation, for no obvious reason, and other people just don't seem to give a shit WHY it happened, they just want to hate on the perpetrators, like "I don't care how such a thing could be prevented, I just want to seethe with hatred and condemnation", as if the way they were treated was somehow excusable.

But not exactly in the same sense as the original intent of how it was said...

For example, Americans are big anti-terror war mongers while forgetting that their own actions are part of the reason terrorism is happening in the first place blind sheep who will follow the idiot who is currently screaming the loudest on the TV.

Quote from: The Poster With No Name on January 01, 2011, 03:03:58 PM
They were also bullied incessantly by a clique at the school who were protected by the teachers.

What's more likely: OMG BAD MEDIAS creating a pair of killers, or constant mistreatment at the hands of others?

Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on January 01, 2011, 06:02:17 PM

Quote from: The Poster With No Name on January 01, 2011, 03:03:58 PM
They were also bullied incessantly by a clique at the school who were protected by the teachers.

What's more likely: OMG BAD MEDIAS creating a pair of killers, or constant mistreatment at the hands of others?

Contributing to thread derailment:

Also both the shooters had histories of mental illness. But insane people acting insane isnt really a good news story.

Quote from: The Poster With No Name on January 01, 2011, 09:45:44 PM
Also the only evidence of "mental illness" I can find is that they were on anti-depressants, though admittedly this is on a brief search.  Given over 120 million people suffer from clinical depression, and they are almost uniformly non-violent in behaviour (excessively so, in many cases), I am not inclined to believe it was anything more than an aggravating factor, at best.

There are many more examples of people going on killing sprees due to pervasive bullying and systematic humiliation, by comparison.