Ok, so I was bashing Alex Jones last night on youtube, and I got this guy who sounded like an alright person privately messaging me telling me I was right for being so critical of Alex Jones and shit, which of course wins him a few points.
But then he starts telling me about the "zionazi's" and the JP morgan banking system and stuff and gives me a link to something called the "Kaiser report" which is apparently on some russian news network.
Apparently, this Kaiser guy thinks Alex Jones is a nutbag but advertises or something on infowars to get people onto his agenda, something to do with silver trading and stuff to take down the banks. (here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Y-YmyTXdBs&feature=player_embedded)
I've watched a bit but I'm not sure if I'm wasting my time or if this guy is actually onto something and maybe I should be listening to him or if he's just another brand of crazy.
Thoughts?
That video is fucking bonkers.
Quote from: Hoopla on December 03, 2010, 12:25:09 AM
That video is fucking bonkers.
Yeah, thats what I was feeling as well, but I'm not sure if he's bonkers because he knows the truth or he's bonkers because he *thinks* he knows the truth.
Not to mention, from what little I do know, what this guy is saying is checking out, and seems to be more trustworthy than most American media.
He probably knows a little bit of the truth. I'd buy that (some of)JP morgan is very dirty. I'd have to watch more of the vid, but the rest of it is def their own kind of crazy.
Quote from: Lysergic on December 03, 2010, 12:07:20 AM
Ok, so I was bashing Alex Jones last night on youtube, and I got this guy who sounded like an alright person privately messaging me telling me I was right for being so critical of Alex Jones and shit, which of course wins him a few points.
I knew there was a reason I liked you. :lulz:
OK, just thinking about the ramifications of a a group that could actually be called "zionazis", the likeelyhood, and the amount of hypothetical weirdness you have to assume to beleive it, I am fairly certain this guy is a nut.
Anyone who uses the word "Zionazis" or any kind of similar term will, almost invariably, turn out to believe
a) the Holocaust was a lie
b) a generalized "Jewish conspiracy"
c) Hitler was an unfairly maligned figure OR was a tool of the "Jewish conspiracy"
d) that people like the Aryan Nations, KKK etc are not bad folk.
Trust me on this. Actually, don't. Go to Godlikeproductions and follow a few people around the board, and you can see it for yourself.
This Keiser guy seems somewhat more legit. He has a history as an options trader, so he understands the area he is talking about, and he has made several successful predictions of where the market is going.
However, he has also made several fantastical and incorrect predictions. Also, this Guardian article accuses him of market manipulation http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2004/nov/26/9
I keep hearing this idea about driving up the price of silver get kicked around in libertarian circles.
that would give china a real boost as theyre sitting on the biggest silver reserves in the world. Not sure how that would impact the recent agreement between china and russia to trade with each other in only their own currencies and drop the dollar.
I'll do some digging around this weekend and see what I come up with.
Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on December 03, 2010, 05:41:23 PM
I keep hearing this idea about driving up the price of silver get kicked around in libertarian circles.
Goldbugs. :lulz:
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 03, 2010, 05:43:20 PM
Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on December 03, 2010, 05:41:23 PM
I keep hearing this idea about driving up the price of silver get kicked around in libertarian circles.
Goldbugs. :lulz:
I know, I know.
but man I really do wish I'd have been in a position to buy a bunch 10 years ago and just sit on it.
Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on December 03, 2010, 05:46:22 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 03, 2010, 05:43:20 PM
Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on December 03, 2010, 05:41:23 PM
I keep hearing this idea about driving up the price of silver get kicked around in libertarian circles.
Goldbugs. :lulz:
I know, I know.
but man I really do wish I'd have been in a position to buy a bunch 10 years ago and just sit on it.
I bounced 6 ounces of gold I bought at $400, when the price went over the $1000 mark. It only took 20 years.
:lulz:
Silver is already unusually high. I think it may have been higher like waaaaay over 50 years ago, but it's high.
Quote from: Lysergic on December 03, 2010, 12:07:20 AM
But then he starts telling me about the "zionazi's"
At this point, you stop taking him seriously, and re-introduce yourself as "Solomon Abraham", and tell him to expect a visit.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 03, 2010, 05:47:38 PM
Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on December 03, 2010, 05:46:22 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 03, 2010, 05:43:20 PM
Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on December 03, 2010, 05:41:23 PM
I keep hearing this idea about driving up the price of silver get kicked around in libertarian circles.
Goldbugs. :lulz:
I know, I know.
but man I really do wish I'd have been in a position to buy a bunch 10 years ago and just sit on it.
I bounced 6 ounces of gold I bought at $400, when the price went over the $1000 mark. It only took 20 years.
:lulz:
it's SUPPOSED to be a long term investment that grows slowly and is stable relative to stocks and other paper but (hopefully) outpaces inflation.
Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on December 03, 2010, 05:54:01 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 03, 2010, 05:47:38 PM
Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on December 03, 2010, 05:46:22 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 03, 2010, 05:43:20 PM
Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on December 03, 2010, 05:41:23 PM
I keep hearing this idea about driving up the price of silver get kicked around in libertarian circles.
Goldbugs. :lulz:
I know, I know.
but man I really do wish I'd have been in a position to buy a bunch 10 years ago and just sit on it.
I bounced 6 ounces of gold I bought at $400, when the price went over the $1000 mark. It only took 20 years.
:lulz:
it's SUPPOSED to be a long term investment that grows slowly and is stable relative to stocks and other paper but (hopefully) outpaces inflation.
It's just another commodity. Someone finds a shitload of silver somewhere, and you're fucked.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 03, 2010, 05:56:26 PM
Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on December 03, 2010, 05:54:01 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 03, 2010, 05:47:38 PM
Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on December 03, 2010, 05:46:22 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 03, 2010, 05:43:20 PM
Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on December 03, 2010, 05:41:23 PM
I keep hearing this idea about driving up the price of silver get kicked around in libertarian circles.
Goldbugs. :lulz:
I know, I know.
but man I really do wish I'd have been in a position to buy a bunch 10 years ago and just sit on it.
I bounced 6 ounces of gold I bought at $400, when the price went over the $1000 mark. It only took 20 years.
:lulz:
it's SUPPOSED to be a long term investment that grows slowly and is stable relative to stocks and other paper but (hopefully) outpaces inflation.
It's just another commodity. Someone finds a shitload of silver somewhere, and you're fucked.
well yeah, temporarily. I'm not as up on silver as I am on gold, so I don't know if any major ones have been found in recent years, but ive always seen the metals as providing a financial base you can pass on to your kids so they don't have to start from scratch.
[correction] may have been wrong about china holding largest, data from 4 years ago has them in 6th.
Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on December 03, 2010, 05:54:01 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 03, 2010, 05:47:38 PM
Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on December 03, 2010, 05:46:22 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 03, 2010, 05:43:20 PM
Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on December 03, 2010, 05:41:23 PM
I keep hearing this idea about driving up the price of silver get kicked around in libertarian circles.
Goldbugs. :lulz:
I know, I know.
but man I really do wish I'd have been in a position to buy a bunch 10 years ago and just sit on it.
I bounced 6 ounces of gold I bought at $400, when the price went over the $1000 mark. It only took 20 years.
:lulz:
it's SUPPOSED to be a long term investment that grows slowly and is stable relative to stocks and other paper but (hopefully) outpaces inflation.
It was a 4 1/2% annual return. He could have beaten that with a CD.
Quote from: Pastor-Mullah Zappathruster on December 03, 2010, 06:59:20 PM
Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on December 03, 2010, 05:54:01 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 03, 2010, 05:47:38 PM
Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on December 03, 2010, 05:46:22 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 03, 2010, 05:43:20 PM
Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on December 03, 2010, 05:41:23 PM
I keep hearing this idea about driving up the price of silver get kicked around in libertarian circles.
Goldbugs. :lulz:
I know, I know.
but man I really do wish I'd have been in a position to buy a bunch 10 years ago and just sit on it.
I bounced 6 ounces of gold I bought at $400, when the price went over the $1000 mark. It only took 20 years.
:lulz:
it's SUPPOSED to be a long term investment that grows slowly and is stable relative to stocks and other paper but (hopefully) outpaces inflation.
It was a 4 1/2% annual return. He could have beaten that with a CD.
yeah, but damn the taxes get you, and CD rates usually track inflation closely. good place to HOLD cash, not so much for making it relative to inflation.
Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on December 03, 2010, 07:05:29 PM
Quote from: Pastor-Mullah Zappathruster on December 03, 2010, 06:59:20 PM
Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on December 03, 2010, 05:54:01 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 03, 2010, 05:47:38 PM
Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on December 03, 2010, 05:46:22 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 03, 2010, 05:43:20 PM
Quote from: The Dancing Pickle on December 03, 2010, 05:41:23 PM
I keep hearing this idea about driving up the price of silver get kicked around in libertarian circles.
Goldbugs. :lulz:
I know, I know.
but man I really do wish I'd have been in a position to buy a bunch 10 years ago and just sit on it.
I bounced 6 ounces of gold I bought at $400, when the price went over the $1000 mark. It only took 20 years.
:lulz:
it's SUPPOSED to be a long term investment that grows slowly and is stable relative to stocks and other paper but (hopefully) outpaces inflation.
It was a 4 1/2% annual return. He could have beaten that with a CD.
yeah, but damn the taxes get you, and CD rates usually track inflation closely. good place to HOLD cash, not so much for making it relative to inflation.
A 4.5% return doesn't keep up with inflation. Period.
Copper's a better investment than gold or silver.
Or, if you can afford it, land. By far, over the long term, real property gives the best return on your investment.
Of course, the tinfoilhat point of buying any of these is not that you get a better return on your investment, but that you won't lose everything when the economy tanks.
However, all things considered having debt on a house makes you a winner when inflation is out of control. I essentially made $200k last year and I didn't do anything but have a debt that reflects what the dollar was worth when I bought the house.
The best investment in the world currently is shares in Goldman Sachs.
Quote from: Nigel on December 04, 2010, 08:17:29 AM
Copper's a better investment than gold or silver.
Or, if you can afford it, land. By far, over the long term, real property gives the best return on your investment.
Quote from: Nigel on December 04, 2010, 08:20:47 AM
Of course, the tinfoilhat point of buying any of these is not that you get a better return on your investment, but that you won't lose everything when the economy tanks.
However, all things considered having debt on a house makes you a winner when inflation is out of control. I essentially made $200k last year and I didn't do anything but have a debt that reflects what the dollar was worth when I bought the house.
Did you and my mom get the same lecture on managing personal finances?
My parents pulled their money out of other investments and bought a house in the 90s, right before that recession hit. So yeah, we wuz all poor and shit (not really, but we sure as hell didn't keep as high a standard of living as people seem to expect from a medical doctor's family), but as long as you can keep your job, a tanked economy or plummeting real estate values doesn't make the roof over your head any less effective at keeping out the rain. Sold that house a few years ago at a good price.
Then they pulled the same trick again, right before the 2008 crash. I think my mom has a 6th sense for market crashes: when she gets the urge to buy a house, the economy is due for another bust.
Quote from: Cainad on December 04, 2010, 05:12:51 PM
So yeah, we wuz all poor and shit (not really, but we sure as hell didn't keep as high a standard of living as people seem to expect from a medical doctor's family)
Wow, that kinda made me want to punch you in the face.
Quote from: Phox on December 04, 2010, 07:28:31 PM
Quote from: Cainad on December 04, 2010, 05:12:51 PM
So yeah, we wuz all poor and shit (not really, but we sure as hell didn't keep as high a standard of living as people seem to expect from a medical doctor's family)
Wow, that kinda made me want to punch you in the face.
:lulz:
Nigel is on the correct motorcycle. and this recession is the best time to buy property that's happened in my lifetime, except maybe the tail end of the 70's recession, when I was still sucking on nipples for sustenance and didn't know they'd serve a recreational function later in life.
that last part may have been unnecessarily graphic. it's been a strange day.
My girl and I have been considering incorporating as a church (to get credit as), and buying a house in PDX to half convert to a meeting space....
Quote from: Telarus on December 04, 2010, 09:05:35 PM
My girl and I have been considering incorporating as a church (to get credit as), and buying a house in PDX to half convert to a meeting space....
The First Discordian Church of PDX? :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
Quote from: Phox on December 04, 2010, 07:28:31 PM
Quote from: Cainad on December 04, 2010, 05:12:51 PM
So yeah, we wuz all poor and shit (not really, but we sure as hell didn't keep as high a standard of living as people seem to expect from a medical doctor's family)
Wow, that kinda made me want to punch you in the face.
:lulz: It was said very tongue-in-cheek, if you couldn't tell. We were never needy, but during the first ten years of my life we were paying off mom and dad's student loans. The other doctors' families would wonder why we didn't have nicer cars or a bigger house.
Quote from: Cainad on December 04, 2010, 11:57:53 PM
Quote from: Phox on December 04, 2010, 07:28:31 PM
Quote from: Cainad on December 04, 2010, 05:12:51 PM
So yeah, we wuz all poor and shit (not really, but we sure as hell didn't keep as high a standard of living as people seem to expect from a medical doctor's family)
Wow, that kinda made me want to punch you in the face.
:lulz: It was said very tongue-in-cheek, if you couldn't tell. We were never needy, but during the first ten years of my life we were paying off mom and dad's student loans. The other doctors' families would wonder why we didn't have nicer cars or a bigger house.
Oh, yeah, i got it. Still kind of a dick thing to say. Some of us did grow up poor. :wink:
It's hard to giggle your way around Miracle Whip sandwiches every day for lunch.