is it possible? anyone tried it? have any ideas?
background: before I decided to be a Discordian, I was a "LaVeyan Satanist." HAR HARHAR yeah I know but anyway, one thing I liked about that system was the ritual magic where the practitioner achieves (or tries to achieve) different mental states or insights into things by symbolizing a situation through ritual. It actually works... sometimes... if you don't take it too seriously. Anyway I'm curious as to whether anything like that exists for you Spags.
Never tried it myself. Go for it. Why the hell not? Make it up as you go along.
i don't have sufficient numbers of naked virgin girls.
Quote from: postvex™ on December 03, 2010, 05:46:08 AM
i don't have sufficient numbers of naked virgin girls.
We provide 73 of them if you die a martyr.
Wait, really? Why didn't anyone tell me? As the running Trans-Astral Para-Theo Ana-Meta-Mystik Inventory Keeper for the Erisian Soul Exchange, I think I ought to be told when we change the conditions to these things, cause you know, it would have been nice as it seems I have been wasting my time feeding those 73 martens for people that died a virgin.
Old wizards used pieces of wood to focus their energy,
discordians use pieces of paper to focus their fnords.
Both channeling trees
Isn't om a disritual? Like A sigil to charge our universe with the weird
I'm pretty sure my friend Klintron wrote this (or it may have been one of the other occultspags I know from that pool). I've always wanted to try some of these ideas out.
http://technoccult.net/archives/2004/04/13/magical-assault-on-corporations-version-235/
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This article began in response to Jason Louv's call for submissions for the coming book "Generation Hex." However, the current political climate, and the absurdity of writing an anti-corporate monogram for publication by a corporation, forced me to rethink submitting this work for publication. Instead, this piece needs to be preserved in its degrading, uncopyrighted, all rites reversed form. Eris said so.
Despite their non-corporeality, corporations are able to display a wide range of behaviors in a conceptual framework of legal reality. Disconnected from the material plane, except in the way their influence is manifested, these entities grow, absorb each other, competing, altering their identities, renaming themselves, creating and losing capital, sway political parties, own and oversee property, pay taxes, sue, and be sued. Yet because of the nature of their existence, they cannot be imprisoned, physically coerced, or killed. Immortal legally, corporations as they are currently, are something of an egregore brought into being through the collective vision of the founders, an egregore that manifests through the collective will of the governing body and given qi, given energy through the financial investment of its stockholders. The political activist, when confronted with such an insular system, is forced to either buy enough stock in a corporation to create a voice in its decisions, something most individuals are not equipped financially to do, or to petition the courts and their congressional members to modify the laws regarding that corporation's actions. The magical activist, however, has an entirely different perpective from which to work. And for a magical activist, those very attributes that make physical protest ineffectual to corporate growth are routes through which sympathetic associations can be formed.
In today's world, a corporation hides behind its logos, holdings, and subsidiaries. The franchising, outsourcing, and reselling of products further removes the consumer from the corporation, all of these abstractions that proceed from the corporate egregore's will through media. Thus constructing magical links through a corporate logo becomes highly ineffective if the intent of the ritual is to harm the corporation. The logos are the corporation's magical tools, each additional logo brought into existence thus feeds the corporation's overall energy base. What is needed is a magical link not generated from the egregore, but through which the egregore had been created.. it's true name, a sigil constructed from cut-ups of its articles of incorporation, or an astrological chart based on its moment on incorporation. Fortunately for the magical activist, all of these bits of information are freely available to anyone with a web browser, (the internet being the grand grimoire of our generation.)
Determining that an egregore is both the holy guardian angel/superego and the shadow/id, of a groupmind, I started out on this project with a vague idea that corporations could be manipulated through a demonological perspective, a kind of pseudo-goetia for the stock market. A serious re-evaluation of the ritual presented in that and other grimoires is certainly in order, but the premise is the same. Working with corporate egregores with the intent to subvert and/or otherwise disperse that manifestation is toxic magic, and certain steps are important in such work to protect the worker. Egregores such as these that are purely profit-driven are a kind of energy vampire, existing through the energy put forth both by those that work within the corporation, its investors, and its consumer base. If called into a hostile environment into a spiritual presence, it would not hesitate to drain an attuned magician of all available energy as well, for that is in its nature.
This raises the issue of attunement. Upon approaching this issue, I was confronted by the same problem as using the corporate logo. Both invocation and evocation involve the magician psychicly attuning to the entity to provide a conduit for manifestation, effectively feeding the entity gnosis. While this is important in the psychiatric deconstructionist view of demonic entities being gradiations of shadowy unconscious energies one is calling up and mastering by way of the superego, it does little good when the intention is lessening the influence of an entity.
What is needed then is a convocation, a calling of the entities in question to conference. Convocation allows a magician to interact with spiritual entities without manifesting that entity. But before the calling out can occur, the ritual space for the entity to be confined must be created. It is here that the 'narrowing of focus' trully begins. The more baroque temple would probably sport ritual space for the magician and a space for the egregore delineated with chalk or paint, sand or ink. The more ornate, the more baroque, the more prcise, the stronger the psychic focus becomes. As this focus intensifies, the circle itself begins to produce a void, an energy vortex unspecific in its attraction.
A short overview of grimoires and mandalic art reveals some standard forms magical circles can take. There should be at least one circle for the egregore's sigil to be placed at the point of convocation, and it is this circle which should be done last, should a second circle for the magician also be desired. This circle in summoning a demonic form would traditionally be ringed by three lines of holy and divine names, boundaries between the sigilic space in the center and the exterior or physical world. This is fine fore working within a religious paradigm, but corporations do not necessarily fear the same deities that a traditional demon would fear. Rather, I would suggest ringing such a circle with the names of the markets, NASDAQ, AMEX, or NYSE.. in the US, the SEC is the closest to a governing entity a corporate entity could fear, and an evocation of the SEC in such a ritual might also prove effacious. Franz Bardon's magical writings (http://lqairah.tripod.com/) suggest alternate routes through which to prepare the magic circle.
How, then, does one design a sigil by which to conjure? Sigils are a matter of taste and preference. Talismantic imagery can be mapped out on enochian tables using the stock symbol abreviations, transliterations of the corporation's name into Hebrew, or bindrunes of some sort, or through an astrologically derived geometric nest of lines.. "Pseudo-goetic sigils by Phil Legard" (http://psorcereezee.future.easyspace.com/pseugoet.html)was what I consulted in creating sigils for Halliburton(HAL) (http://www.geocities.com/zenwerewolf/HAL.html), ConocoPhilips(COP.N) (http://www.geocities.com/zenwerewolf/COP.N.html), Boeing Aerospace(BA) (http://www.geocities.com/zenwerewolf/BA.html), and General Electric(GE) (http://www.geocities.com/zenwerewolf/GE.html). Upon completion of the boundry and the edges of the magic circle, the inner portion is then designed, culminating in the sigil's presentation. The introduction of the sigil occurs not at the begining of the ritual, but at its midpoint. Finally, the circle and the sigil is ritually deconstructed, representing a release of the energy the entity has until now kept contained within itself. From this point on, energy must be allowed to slowly drain and defuse from the circle, a process that introduces entropy into the egregore. This ritual ends when there is no trace of the circle or the sigil, and the worker or workers have removed all trace of the corporate egregore's energy from the ritual environment.
In simpler terms, what is being performed is the charging and creation of energy traps for these egregore forms – energy is fed primarily into the circle in which the sigil is placed. Remember, the sole intent of these rituals is to degrade and undervalue the stock price. Keeping this foremost in mind insures success in the operations. What I've discovered in working with devaluation is that the operation should be returned to multiple times – there's a great deal of inertia. I performed two operations with the HAL sigil, one around Dec 25th or 26th, the second on March 9th, and in both cases the stock did seem to adjust itself after an initial drop. However, there was a drop (http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?t=6m&s=HAL&l=off&z=m&q=b&c=). And, even more important, the more people work within this paradigm, the more effective these magical assaults will eventually become...
(K) 2004 'All Rites Reversed'
if you read this, you must make a copy of it and give it to someone else to read.
Now, that's all super-abstract 'madgiquekal' terminology, but another article that ran with that idea involved:
- a group of hooded and robed people out front of a corporate headquarters drawing backwards corporate logos and runes and symbols
- while a hidden loudspeaker plays horrible demonic chanting intertwined with a recent commercial for the target company
- and you straight up admit to anyone passing by that you are:
"attempting to kill the entity with black magic, because obviously the government can't do anything to
stop it from <<insert raping the public/environment/etc argument here>>"
:lulz:
Quote from: Telarus on December 03, 2010, 08:38:05 AM
Now, that's all super-abstract 'madgiquekal' terminology, but another article that ran with that idea involved:
- a group of hooded and robed people out front of a corporate headquarters drawing backwards corporate logos and runes and symbols
- while a hidden loudspeaker plays horrible demonic chanting intertwined with a recent commercial for the target company
- and you straight up admit to anyone passing by that you are:
"attempting to kill the entity with black magic, because obviously the government can't do anything to
stop it from <<insert raping the public/environment/etc argument here>>"
:lulz:
This sounds fucking awesome.
That was really insightful, from the "occult/memetic" perspective! At least, the first half was. I don't quite know what to take from the whole description of the ritual in the second half.
Quote from: KlintronImmortal legally, corporations as they are currently, are something of an egregore brought into being through the collective vision of the founders, an egregore that manifests through the collective will of the governing body and given qi, given energy through the financial investment of its stockholders.
Important to note is that this manifesting is done mostly without the careful precautions and safeguards involved in the "traditional" creation of a powerful egregore.
Quoteif you read this, you must make a copy of it and give it to someone else to read.
Tweeted. Is that good enough? ;-)
Quote from: Triple Zero on December 03, 2010, 09:35:20 AM
Quoteif you read this, you must make a copy of it and give it to someone else to read.
Tweeted. Is that good enough? ;-)
To quote Mal2, "I don't know man, I didn't do it!"
Quote from: Telarus on December 03, 2010, 08:38:05 AM
Now, that's all super-abstract 'madgiquekal' terminology, but another article that ran with that idea involved:
- a group of hooded and robed people out front of a corporate headquarters drawing backwards corporate logos and runes and symbols
- while a hidden loudspeaker plays horrible demonic chanting intertwined with a recent commercial for the target company
- and you straight up admit to anyone passing by that you are:
"attempting to kill the entity with black magic, because obviously the government can't do anything to
stop it from <<insert raping the public/environment/etc argument here>>"
:lulz:
Dude. :fap:
Also, hxxp://wicca.com/forums/index.php?topic=4163.ne because I am a bad man.
Screenshots? They don't let filthy outsiders see the threads anymore.
Quote from: Requia ☣ on December 04, 2010, 05:54:50 AM
Screenshots? They don't let filthy outsiders see the threads anymore.
I reposted the blurb that Tel posted there. No one has bitten yet. When they do, I shall share.
This is basically what the Yippies did when they tried to 'exorcise' the Pentagon (if you've read the Illuminatus! trilogy, you know that all they did was let Yog Sothoth out).
But with current memetic knowledge, and people like ThirtySeven (Skilluminati), Wes Unruh & Ed Wilson (Art of Memetics), the Yes Men, Improv Everywhere, etc, etc....
:fnord: :1fap: All you need to do to affect a companies stock price is drag them into the 24hour news cycle.
Quote from: Telarus on December 04, 2010, 07:59:25 AM
This is basically what the Yippies did when they tried to 'exorcise' the Pentagon (if you've read the Illuminatus! trilogy, you know that all they did was let Yog Sothoth out).
But with current memetic knowledge, and people like ThirtySeven (Skilluminati), Wes Unruh & Ed Wilson (Art of Memetics), the Yes Men, Improv Everywhere, etc, etc....
:fnord: :1fap: All you need to do to affect a companies stock price is drag them into the 24hour news cycle.
I imagine that the bizarre angle of the black magic would make the more superstitious investors dump their stock first, which will then cause the cautious ones to drop their stocks, which will then cause everyone else to drop their stocks.
...and then when the stocks in said company are dirt cheap, we collectively buy up more than 50% and start calling the shots :)
Quote from: Doktor Blight on December 04, 2010, 12:42:21 PM
Quote from: Telarus on December 04, 2010, 07:59:25 AM
This is basically what the Yippies did when they tried to 'exorcise' the Pentagon (if you've read the Illuminatus! trilogy, you know that all they did was let Yog Sothoth out).
But with current memetic knowledge, and people like ThirtySeven (Skilluminati), Wes Unruh & Ed Wilson (Art of Memetics), the Yes Men, Improv Everywhere, etc, etc....
:fnord: :1fap: All you need to do to affect a companies stock price is drag them into the 24hour news cycle.
I imagine that the bizarre angle of the black magic would make the more superstitious investors dump their stock first, which will then cause the cautious ones to drop their stocks, which will then cause everyone else to drop their stocks.
...and then when the stocks in said company are dirt cheap, we collectively buy up more than 50% and start calling the shots :)
I think the HFT algos that do 99.9% of the trading would see the sell orders coming in from the superstitious investors and would frontrun them and cause a flash crash, the superstitious investors would end up selling at big losses, and then the algos close their short positions bringing the stock back up about to where it was before, all in a matter of minutes. So basically, profits for the Squid and little change otherwise.
These days, it wouldn't be enough to get superstitious people to sell, even though it would still be cool in an O:MF kind of way. If we wanted to do what you're talking about, we'd have to somehow affect the indicators that the algos use in such a way that they continue to exert downward pressure on the stock price.
It was more of an attempt at humor than anything else. But the idea of a majority of the stock in a company in Discordia's hands is a fairly intriguing idea.
More feasibly, we all buy 1 share in a bunch of different companies, and go to all of the shareholder meetings.
I believe they serve food, and in any event we'd have an opportunity to do the Turkey Curse.
I somehow doubt many companies allow small shareholders in at the meetings. Also, you have to buy in chunks of a hundred iirc.
Quote from: Requia ☣ on December 05, 2010, 05:35:19 AM
I somehow doubt many companies allow small shareholders in at the meetings. Also, you have to buy in chunks of a hundred iirc.
AFAIK the "buy in chunks of one hundred" thing is just a limitation of most brokers. Buying singletons would just require either finding a broker with nothing better to do or some kind of DIY.
US law requires our publicly traded companies to have Annual General Meetings and give notice to the shareholders so many days in advance of the meeting. I'd assume that the law also requires them to let shareholders in to the meetings, although it probably wouldn't stop them from kicking people out who were disruptive in some way.
Quote from: Telarus on December 03, 2010, 08:38:05 AM
Now, that's all super-abstract 'madgiquekal' terminology, but another article that ran with that idea involved:
- a group of hooded and robed people out front of a corporate headquarters drawing backwards corporate logos and runes and symbols
- while a hidden loudspeaker plays horrible demonic chanting intertwined with a recent commercial for the target company
- and you straight up admit to anyone passing by that you are:
"attempting to kill the entity with black magic, because obviously the government can't do anything to
stop it from <<insert raping the public/environment/etc argument here>>"
:lulz:
That sounds incredibly fun.
When I originally got into Discordia, I did think of it as a sort of pagan group. I did some "Discordian magic" at a young age which basically consisted of asking Eris for things and then being highly amused at how my intent got twisted around so that I got literally what I asked for but not what I wanted. Later, I got into chaos magic and other mystical wankery. In my experiences, a few techniques were actually useful, and a lot of it was merely interesting. Sigilization might be an exercise in confirmation bias, but it's a fun ride anyway, and if you haven't tried it out, it's worth a shot. I found automatic writing to be a good way to peek into my unconscious mind.
Those are the only two bits that come to mind at the moment. I am a bit more post-occult now -- my attitudes are best described on the first page of AoM
QuoteMagic, memetics, mastermind groups, egregores, and cybernetics are all discussed in the following chapters. We've relied on the terms above in developing this book to help you use these tools to achieve your own goals through the design and spread of memes across many different layers of networks. Before we get much deeper in, let's establish why we wrote this book, and what these terms mean to us.
Magic is perhaps the most loaded term we use throughout the text, and we propose the same definition Taylor Ellwood puts forth in his book Multi-Media Magic: "Magic involves making the improbable possible. It's learning how even the slightest change you make can have a radical effect on the internal system of your psychology/spirituality, and the external system of the environment and universe you live in."5 This definition corresponds directly to the overall intention behind this book, which is to show you how internal and external networks can be brought to operate at maximum efficiency on your behalf.
Memetics, the study of cultural evolution, can be used to help us better understand our lives and achieve our desires. We've noticed that memetics, when discussed in marketing circles, tends to be a kind of metaphysical reference point. The meaning of "meme" is somewhat distanced now from Richard Dawkins' very specific definition in The Selfish Gene, where he described the meme as a unit of cultural imitation.6 Susan Blackmore gives an inspired speech on Meme as 'That which is imitated' and can be viewed on the video reference page here. Knowledge of the theory of memetics is vital in understanding contemporary discussions on the effect of word-of-mouth advertising, or where viral videos get their cultural traction. However, memetics applies to many other areas, such as the transmission of information across language barriers, the effects of psychological operations in geo-political struggles, archetypal resonance in cultures, and the growth of internet piracy. We believe that understanding the theory of memetics brings us a new perspective on understanding ourselves and why we behave in the ways we do. We want to provide you with the understanding necessary to create memes that spread rapidly and support your direct intentions and goals...
Over the years, most of the ideas that were once confined to magical theory and practice have been isolated and reformulated in different fields of study. Magicians are left guarding only a few nuggets of practical application that remain unique to magic. For the most part, all that remains solely under the banner of Magick9 is: interaction with essences generated from patterns, the manipulation of belief to alter subjective experiences, and non-local action of thought and will. Even these few ideations are being carted away into other disciplines. So why not just study those other disciplines?
We feel there is still value in the study of magic; in particular, the language system that has been built up dealing with subtle connections, forces, and objects of the psyche. (The Apophenion by Peter J. Carroll is an excellent place to start.) We believe that with grounding in the theory and experience of causing the improbable to become possible, an individual becomes empowered to reverse-engineer the hyper-real world of post-modern discourse. We believe that magic is much more than sleight of hand or sleight of mind, and we know that what has been carted away into the sciences of harmonics, chemistry, and quantum physics still haunts the spectral core of this abstraction labeled sorcery, magic, thaumaturgy, mojo, hoodoo... and in precisely the same way, magic haunts sciences, both hard and soft. One doesn't need to dig far to find elements of wizardry in neuro-linguistic programming,10 or in marketing, or in psychology. We do not react directly to the world, but rather, the world as it is filtered by our nervous system's habits of punctuation. We break down the world according to what we expect to find. How we move indicates what is important to pay attention to and what our word systems point out or hide. This is what Kenneth Burke refers to as the terministic screen, and is very similar to what Robert Anton Wilson meant when he discussed Reality Tunnels in his work Quantum Psychology.11
Because it is difficult to observe the shape of things when one is within their midst, individuals coming to some sense of themselves from within this superorganism,12 from the center of the zeitgeist, must develop a kind of intellectually rigorous intuition13 to peel apart the symbolic structures and to prevent slipping under hegemonic control, and it is this expansive intuition which magic develops in the course of dedicated study. We are a world divorced from the superstitions of the past, and new myths are generated by those wielding media as a wand, one as powerful as the holly wood wands of ancient ceremonial magicians were rumored to have been. The Hollywood of today is the true sacred site of today's elite magician.
Quote from: Golden Applesauce on December 05, 2010, 05:27:10 AM
More feasibly, we all buy 1 share in a bunch of different companies, and go to all of the shareholder meetings.
I believe they serve food, and in any event we'd have an opportunity to do the Turkey Curse.
This or some other subtle stuff, mixed in with conversion attempts