http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2010/12/09/5617540-house-dem-caucus-votes-to-reject-tax-compromise
QuoteIn a non-binding vote Thursday, the House Democratic Caucus voted to reject the president's tax compromise.
This is significant in the sense that it shows how many House Democrats are angry about the compromise with Republicans to temporarily extend the cuts for the highest earners, but it is not binding in regards to legislation that goes to the floor.
Non-binding. :lulz:
I belong to no organized party. I am a Democrat.
Will Rogers
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NON-BINDING!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40587785/ns/politics-capitol_hill
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goddamn it
Fucking hope and change, bitches! :lulz:
I have a mental image of grown men laying on the floor pitching a big fit. No one hates to be rolled over a barrel, but really? To waste time on a non-binding vote like that?
Apparently, progressive Dems are thinking of using a primary challenge against Obama in 2012 to express their displeasure. Apparently, the mighty, mighty Tom Harkin is being considered. Though some Kossacks prefer George Clooney (yes, the actor) as their Candidate Of Rage.
Ah, impotent political posturing. This is why the Dems are a joke and a half.
Oh, I say. Bad show, bad show.
What, what? No, expressing mild displeasure is enough.
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also,
http://www.slate.com/BLOGS/blogs/weigel/archive/2010/12/08/why-the-liberals-can-mount-primary-challenge-to-obama-talk-makes-no-sense.aspx
(http://i.imgur.com/9cmpc.jpg)
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:lulz: Please tell me you made that.
If politics really is just professional wrestling in suits then the Dems are definitely the heels.
Sure they may win a few small battles, land a couple good blows, but its all for show. In the end the "good guy"(Reps) always wins.
Quote from: Cain on December 09, 2010, 05:29:03 PM
Apparently, progressive Dems are thinking of using a primary challenge against Obama in 2012 to express their displeasure. Apparently, the mighty, mighty Tom Harkin is being considered. Though some Kossacks prefer George Clooney (yes, the actor) as their Candidate Of Rage.
George Cloony is a fairly cool guy, down to earth. I've met him a few times.
He may be. He certainly seems to come across that way.
But he's hardly got the qualities a star political infighter needs. If you wanted to mount a primary challenge against Obama that wasn't a token gesture, you'd need an asshole roughly on a par with Lyndon B Johnson to make it count for anything. Someone who knows how to game the system, works incredibly hard and has an ego the size of a small planet.
But since the Dems had a spine-ecotomy around...1968 or so, their only member who even roughly comes up to those standards is one Rahm Emanuel, currently Chief of Staff of the White House and who favours a policy of beating up on hippies to impress Republicans. So the pwogs probably wont tap him for it. If indeed they ever stop equivocating about how this would give benefits to the Republicans, which they wont, because they lack spine. And everyone knows it, making it an empty threat, just like the non-binding vote.
Quote from: Cain on December 10, 2010, 07:34:44 AM
He may be. He certainly seems to come across that way.
But he's hardly got the qualities a star political infighter needs. If you wanted to mount a primary challenge against Obama that wasn't a token gesture, you'd need an asshole roughly on a par with Lyndon B Johnson to make it count for anything. Someone who knows how to game the system, works incredibly hard and has an ego the size of a small planet.
But since the Dems had a spine-ecotomy around...1968 or so, their only member who even roughly comes up to those standards is one Rahm Emanuel, currently Chief of Staff of the White House and who favours a policy of beating up on hippies to impress Republicans. So the pwogs probably wont tap him for it. If indeed they ever stop equivocating about how this would give benefits to the Republicans, which they wont, because they lack spine. And everyone knows it, making it an empty threat, just like the non-binding vote.
http://whitehousetapes.net/clips/1964_0809_lbj_haggar/ (http://whitehousetapes.net/clips/1964_0809_lbj_haggar/)
AMERICA! FUCK YEAH!
Quote from: Cain on December 10, 2010, 07:34:44 AM
He may be. He certainly seems to come across that way.
But he's hardly got the qualities a star political infighter needs. If you wanted to mount a primary challenge against Obama that wasn't a token gesture, you'd need an asshole roughly on a par with Lyndon B Johnson to make it count for anything. Someone who knows how to game the system, works incredibly hard and has an ego the size of a small planet.
Alan Grayson? Then again, he couldn't hold his seat in the House for more than one term.
Actually, Grayson does have the right temperment for it. The problem is, as you say, he was only in the House for a single term, which casts some doubt on his ability to backroom politick his way around DC.
On the other hand, Grayson is a Grade A asshole when he wants to be, so he'd make up for that in entertaining primary shenannigans.
Michael Bloomberg should run. As an Independent of course. Especially if it looks like Palin or Gingrich are going to be the nominee. In that environment, I think it would be the best chance since Perot for a third party candidate to make some noise and maybe actually win the Presidential Election.
What I want to know, is why Obama didn't push try to push the middle class tax cuts through in their own bill, not to get them passed, but just to have the republicans on record as trying to raise taxes. That seems like perfect ammo for the 2012 season to me.
Because the 2012 coiffers for re-election might be more meager if he pisses off the rich people who contribute to said coiffers. He's placating his money base.
There is also a very real possibility of voter backlash if he didn't fold on this one. Voters could blame Obama for no more unemployment benefits and the tax hike because he wouldn't play ball. This is a double edged sword and I predict no one will win.
Quote from: Charley Brown on December 10, 2010, 06:06:05 PM
There is also a very real possibility of voter backlash if he didn't fold on this one. Voters could blame Obama for no more unemployment benefits and the tax hike because he wouldn't play ball. This is a double edged sword and I predict no one will win.
Oh in my plan he still folds, he just takes an extra day to fold in order to make it clear that the republicans are the bad guys.