That's right.
Each and everyone of the politically minded folks on PD. We're hipsters.
Especially when we laugh.
And someone wants to punch us all in the face.
My paidika and I were hanging with some of her friends from her speech class a few weeks ago. One was talking about how he's not sure if we will be able to take classes next semester, because he was in a program that paid for wounded veterans to go to school for four years was changing its policy to "trade schools only" or something of the sort. In my head, I felt it bubbling up. That hideous, irrepressible laughter.The conversation continued and my paidika said "I should pay more attention to politics, I have no idea what you are talking about."
One of her friends said, "No, you shouldn't because then you'll start to care, and then you'll realize how everything sucks, but you won't be able to stop watching."
The laughter was shrieking in my brain. I could barely contain it. The horrormirth was winning, and I knew it was going to come out. I said, "And then you start laughing..."
He looked at me and said, "No, hipsters laugh. I punch hipsters in the face. If I start laughing, I'll punch myself in the face."
And I laughed. Hysterically. Uncontrollably. Hideously, horribly, maniacally. The world was going to hell in a hand basket, and I couldn't... stop... laughing.
So, here's to you, PD. Here's to you, My good reverends and doktors. Fellow hipsters, I finally understand. And I'm still laughing.
Phox,
Just became a Doktor
Hm...hipsters are above laughing. At least their image of too cool for school seems to indicate that they are too ironic and life's too blase for laughter.
Laughter's for those of us who have no other avenue. It releases everything that's pent up and yet holds on to what's important, the drive to either listen some more, care some more, or indulge in slack.
The whole "we're all hipsters" line of thought is tired, stupid, and horribly inaccurate.
It seems to work on the same level as statements like "you are now playing The Game".
You are now doing <passive behavior>.
Nah, we're not hipsters for laughing. Your punch happy friend just doesn't know what hipsters are.
When the going gets unspeakably horrible, the unspeakably horrible laugh.
:mittens:
A lot of people seem to be under the vastly mistaken impression that hipsters are all the same. I know its funny to act that way, but come on, let's be smarter than that. We are smarter than that.
No "group" is all one way, none. Not hipsters, not Tea Baggers, not Democrats, not Republicans, not clowns, not Jews, not Discordians, not even conspiracy nuts. These are all groups which are full of individuals, in this case individuals which have some traits in common. So yes, some hipsters laugh, and some do not. Fucking deal with it. Jesus Christ.
It is an absurd world, why not laugh?
:lulz:
I'm so hipster I can hardly see over my pelvister.
I think that the meaning behind the thread is getting lost under the mentioning of hipsters.
Yes. Too right.
The meaning of this thread is that Phox has a friend who is potentially lulzworthy. We must convince him to punch himself in the face.
Quote from: Doktor Blight on December 09, 2010, 08:11:51 PM
I think that the meaning behind the thread is getting lost under the mentioning of hipsters.
This.
Quote from: Sigmatic on December 09, 2010, 08:15:46 PM
Yes. Too right.
The meaning of this thread is that Phox has a friend who is potentially lulzworthy. We must convince him to punch himself in the face.
Almost. :lulz:
There are no facts, Phox. Only interpretations. :)
Quote from: Sigmatic on December 09, 2010, 08:17:35 PM
There are no facts, Phox. Only interpretations. :)
Touché. :wink:
Discordians laugh becasue it's better than crying or screaming, and it's a great primer for maniacal will. Then they do something. They find out about their situation, and figure out how to work with it. Even when it's horrormirthy and fucked, it's still soemthign to work with or make buck off of.
A Hipster laughs in helplessness out of a sense of "irony", playing like they appreciate the bad situation. Then they do nothing, they learn nothing, just like your companions said, they purposefully keep themselves ignorant.
I've come to love the maniacal laughter, that you just can't control, and makes you feel like you're losing it. Haven't had it in a couple of weeks, just the regular run of the mill wholesome belly laugh. I've had the unwholesome sub-maniacal smirking, but it's just not the same. I'm going to have to get my cackle on again soon.
Quote from: Doktor Phox on December 09, 2010, 08:16:41 PM
Quote from: Sigmatic on December 09, 2010, 08:15:46 PM
The meaning of this thread is that Phox has a friend who is potentially lulzworthy. We must convince him to punch himself in the face.
Almost. :lulz:
I approve of this interpretation and I think it is almost just as meaningful as the meaning Phox meant to mean.
Quote from: Richter on December 09, 2010, 08:22:39 PM
Discordians laugh becasue it's better than crying or screaming, and it's a great primer for maniacal will. Then they do something. They find out about their situation, and figure out how to work with it. Even when it's horrormirthy and fucked, it's still soemthign to work with or make buck off of.
A Hipster laughs in helplessness out of a sense of "irony", playing like they appreciate the bad situation. Then they do nothing, they learn nothing, just like your companions said, they purposefully keep themselves ignorant.
Quote from: Doktor Blight on December 09, 2010, 08:25:11 PM
I've come to love the maniacal laughter, that you just can't control, and makes you feel like you're losing it. Haven't had it in a couple of weeks, just the regular run of the mill wholesome belly laugh. I've had the unwholesome sub-maniacal smirking, but it's just not the same. I'm going to have to get my cackle on again soon.
In retrospect: I'm fucked if I know what a Discordian would think or do, that was just an idea. Come to think of it, the Discordians are fucked if anyone knows what they would do either.
Quote from: Doktor Blight on December 09, 2010, 08:11:51 PM
I think that the meaning behind the thread is getting lost under the mentioning of hipsters.
Everyone here should know by now that if you are trying to make a serious point, there are a few things to avoid in the making of that point. Any mention of the following things will utterly obscure your point (and to mention one or more of them anyway suggests that your point isn't particularly important to you): Hipsters, the RIAA, anarchists, drug policy, copyright law/intellectual property.
*Adds hipsters to The List.
Quote from: Abraxas on December 09, 2010, 09:37:21 PM
Quote from: Doktor Blight on December 09, 2010, 08:11:51 PM
I think that the meaning behind the thread is getting lost under the mentioning of hipsters.
Everyone here should know by now that if you are trying to make a serious point, there are a few things to avoid in the making of that point. Any mention of the following things will utterly obscure your point (and to mention one or more of them anyway suggests that your point isn't particularly important to you): Hipsters, the RIAA, anarchists, drug policy, copyright law/intellectual property.
I agree in a general sense, but some guy using the word hipster is part of the anecdote.
I don't think I've ever met someone so emotionally crippled that laughter, not just a particular person's laugh, but
laughter in general is that intolerable.
You may have stumbled upon a lulz cow of epic proportions, Phox.
Your story reminds me of times when I accidentally discover someone's mild phobia and unintentionally keep trolling them about it.
Except that you should definitely milk this on purpose.
Quote from: Doktor Blight on December 09, 2010, 08:11:51 PM
I think that the meaning behind the thread is getting lost under the mentioning of hipsters.
It seemed pretty clear to me, though I'm in a highly horrormirthy type of place right now.
:mittens:
Phox gets it.
I disagree most strenuously.
Listen, the only people who give a flying fuck what a "hipster" is are hipsters who are looking down on other hipsters. Hipsters invented the term to describe other hipsters they don't think are as cool as they are. Someone saying that "only hipsters laugh" is a perfect illustration, and the only correct reaction is to laugh and say "OK, so I'm a hipster".
Hipsters are ancillary to the story. What I got out of it is that it's about the Horror, not about the definition of hipster, but of the way things are. This is, as far as I can tell, not a thread about hipsters.
I like the point, don't really give a shit about hipsters one way or another, and would suggest wrapping the point up in a different sort of story. "We are all hipsers" is a hard sell. And since the point isn't about hipsters it makes it even harder.
I love that horrible laughter so much.
Quote from: Alty on December 10, 2010, 12:59:58 AM
"We are all hipsers" is a hard sell.
The way I read it, Phox is calling us hipsters sarcastically, using the mistaken definition this humorless guy came up with to mock him and mock the idea that anyone should care if they're called a hipster.
Quote from: ☄ · · · N E T · · · ☄ on December 10, 2010, 01:35:09 AM
Quote from: Alty on December 10, 2010, 12:59:58 AM
"We are all hipsers" is a hard sell.
The way I read it, Phox is calling us hipsters sarcastically, using the mistaken definition this humorless guy came up with to mock him and mock the idea that anyone should care if they're called a hipster.
That's what I got too, and that this guy's other statements were filling her with horrormirth. The truth of what he was speaking was horrormirthy enough, but then suddenly he blows it by saying something stupid about hipsters. He knows how it is but can't laugh about it since it's all super serious. He would automatically disapprove of us laughing at the world, and so has to have some handy insulting term for people who don't take life as seriously as he does. He's a greyface rather than a cabbage.
Or, in other words, Discordian is listening to a Greyface tell a cabbage to stay a cabbage because it's better to be ignorant and not to care. Discordian says, yeah, because then you have to laugh, Greyface says only hipsters do that, so as to serious the Discordian into going back being a cabbage. Discordian laughs anyway, gets her Doktorate.
/usage of Discordian cliches
Quote from: Nigel on December 10, 2010, 12:52:16 AM
Listen, the only people who give a flying fuck what a "hipster" is are hipsters who are looking down on other hipsters. Hipsters invented the term to describe other hipsters they don't think are as cool as they are. Someone saying that "only hipsters laugh" is a perfect illustration, and the only correct reaction is to laugh and say "OK, so I'm a hipster".
Obviously that's not true, since I'm the furthest thing imaginable from a hipster and yet the only thing someone could call me that would offend me more is "nigger" (ask LGS about that one if she ever dares to show her face around here again).
Seriously, I fucking hate hipsters with a blind passion that nearly overwhelms me, and makes it impossible for me to focus on anything other than the fact that some asstard thinks "we're all hipsters".
Quote from: Abraxas on December 10, 2010, 02:18:00 AM
Quote from: Nigel on December 10, 2010, 12:52:16 AM
Listen, the only people who give a flying fuck what a "hipster" is are hipsters who are looking down on other hipsters. Hipsters invented the term to describe other hipsters they don't think are as cool as they are. Someone saying that "only hipsters laugh" is a perfect illustration, and the only correct reaction is to laugh and say "OK, so I'm a hipster".
Obviously that's not true, since I'm the furthest thing imaginable from a hipster and yet the only thing someone could call me that would offend me more is "nigger" (ask LGS about that one if she ever dares to show her face around here again).
Seriously, I fucking hate hipsters with a blind passion that nearly overwhelms me, and makes it impossible for me to focus on anything other than the fact that some asstard thinks "we're all hipsters".
What's a hipster?
Quote from: Epimetheus on December 10, 2010, 02:32:51 AM
Quote from: Abraxas on December 10, 2010, 02:18:00 AM
Quote from: Nigel on December 10, 2010, 12:52:16 AM
Listen, the only people who give a flying fuck what a "hipster" is are hipsters who are looking down on other hipsters. Hipsters invented the term to describe other hipsters they don't think are as cool as they are. Someone saying that "only hipsters laugh" is a perfect illustration, and the only correct reaction is to laugh and say "OK, so I'm a hipster".
Obviously that's not true, since I'm the furthest thing imaginable from a hipster and yet the only thing someone could call me that would offend me more is "nigger" (ask LGS about that one if she ever dares to show her face around here again).
Seriously, I fucking hate hipsters with a blind passion that nearly overwhelms me, and makes it impossible for me to focus on anything other than the fact that some asstard thinks "we're all hipsters".
What's a hipster?
Something this thread isn't about.
Here's the hipster thread:
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=26554.0
Quote from: Doktor Blight on December 10, 2010, 02:36:13 AM
Quote from: Epimetheus on December 10, 2010, 02:32:51 AM
Quote from: Abraxas on December 10, 2010, 02:18:00 AM
Quote from: Nigel on December 10, 2010, 12:52:16 AM
Listen, the only people who give a flying fuck what a "hipster" is are hipsters who are looking down on other hipsters. Hipsters invented the term to describe other hipsters they don't think are as cool as they are. Someone saying that "only hipsters laugh" is a perfect illustration, and the only correct reaction is to laugh and say "OK, so I'm a hipster".
Obviously that's not true, since I'm the furthest thing imaginable from a hipster and yet the only thing someone could call me that would offend me more is "nigger" (ask LGS about that one if she ever dares to show her face around here again).
Seriously, I fucking hate hipsters with a blind passion that nearly overwhelms me, and makes it impossible for me to focus on anything other than the fact that some asstard thinks "we're all hipsters".
What's a hipster?
Something this thread isn't about.
That's what I meant by hard sell. I realize what phox was saying, and I can dig it. But there's gotta be a cleaner way.
I had to make jokes about it, arguably I had no choice. But I must admit it is frustrating when one stray portion of a rant draws away the discussion.
Quote from: Alty on December 10, 2010, 02:55:25 AM
Quote from: Doktor Blight on December 10, 2010, 02:36:13 AM
Quote from: Epimetheus on December 10, 2010, 02:32:51 AM
Quote from: Abraxas on December 10, 2010, 02:18:00 AM
Quote from: Nigel on December 10, 2010, 12:52:16 AM
Listen, the only people who give a flying fuck what a "hipster" is are hipsters who are looking down on other hipsters. Hipsters invented the term to describe other hipsters they don't think are as cool as they are. Someone saying that "only hipsters laugh" is a perfect illustration, and the only correct reaction is to laugh and say "OK, so I'm a hipster".
Obviously that's not true, since I'm the furthest thing imaginable from a hipster and yet the only thing someone could call me that would offend me more is "nigger" (ask LGS about that one if she ever dares to show her face around here again).
Seriously, I fucking hate hipsters with a blind passion that nearly overwhelms me, and makes it impossible for me to focus on anything other than the fact that some asstard thinks "we're all hipsters".
What's a hipster?
Something this thread isn't about.
That's what I meant by hard sell. I realize what phox was saying, and I can dig it. But there's gotta be a cleaner way.
I know, I'm just (in all futility) trying to bring the thread back on topic.
Quote from: Doktor Blight on December 10, 2010, 03:03:55 AM
Quote from: Alty on December 10, 2010, 02:55:25 AM
Quote from: Doktor Blight on December 10, 2010, 02:36:13 AM
Quote from: Epimetheus on December 10, 2010, 02:32:51 AM
Quote from: Abraxas on December 10, 2010, 02:18:00 AM
Quote from: Nigel on December 10, 2010, 12:52:16 AM
Listen, the only people who give a flying fuck what a "hipster" is are hipsters who are looking down on other hipsters. Hipsters invented the term to describe other hipsters they don't think are as cool as they are. Someone saying that "only hipsters laugh" is a perfect illustration, and the only correct reaction is to laugh and say "OK, so I'm a hipster".
Obviously that's not true, since I'm the furthest thing imaginable from a hipster and yet the only thing someone could call me that would offend me more is "nigger" (ask LGS about that one if she ever dares to show her face around here again).
Seriously, I fucking hate hipsters with a blind passion that nearly overwhelms me, and makes it impossible for me to focus on anything other than the fact that some asstard thinks "we're all hipsters".
What's a hipster?
Something this thread isn't about.
That's what I meant by hard sell. I realize what phox was saying, and I can dig it. But there's gotta be a cleaner way.
I know, I'm just (in all futility) trying to bring the thread back on topic.
Meh, I anticipated that it would turn out this way. And i can't wrap it in a different story, since... he actually used the word "hipster". I'm not trying to sell anything, either. The people who get it, get it. The people who get distracted by "hipster", well, it's a shame really. But I get it, and that's the point. :wink:
Yeah, it's all good. But I'm glad you had this experience. Makes me want to capture the feeling in its original intensity again.
Quote from: ☄ · · · N E T · · · ☄ on December 10, 2010, 01:35:09 AM
Quote from: Alty on December 10, 2010, 12:59:58 AM
"We are all hipsers" is a hard sell.
The way I read it, Phox is calling us hipsters sarcastically, using the mistaken definition this humorless guy came up with to mock him and mock the idea that anyone should care if they're called a hipster.
That's pretty much what I got too. Who gives a flying fuck if something you do gets some asshole hipster to label you a hipster? If people want to call you a hipster, laugh in their faces and say "OK, I'm a hipster".
Quote from: Abraxas on December 10, 2010, 02:18:00 AM
Quote from: Nigel on December 10, 2010, 12:52:16 AM
Listen, the only people who give a flying fuck what a "hipster" is are hipsters who are looking down on other hipsters. Hipsters invented the term to describe other hipsters they don't think are as cool as they are. Someone saying that "only hipsters laugh" is a perfect illustration, and the only correct reaction is to laugh and say "OK, so I'm a hipster".
Obviously that's not true, since I'm the furthest thing imaginable from a hipster and yet the only thing someone could call me that would offend me more is "nigger" (ask LGS about that one if she ever dares to show her face around here again).
Seriously, I fucking hate hipsters with a blind passion that nearly overwhelms me, and makes it impossible for me to focus on anything other than the fact that some asstard thinks "we're all hipsters".
Then I'd say you have a problem.
Who the fuck cares what a hipster is? We all look like a hipster to somebody.
Ook ook, motherfucker.
After giving this some thought I realized that I totally got where phox was coming from, there was a certain emotion that had nothing to do with hipsters and everything to do with that awesome, unbidden laughter. This was communicated very clearly and I enjoyed it and that's more important than all that other shit.
Quote from: Nigel on December 10, 2010, 06:41:42 AM
Quote from: Abraxas on December 10, 2010, 02:18:00 AM
Quote from: Nigel on December 10, 2010, 12:52:16 AM
Listen, the only people who give a flying fuck what a "hipster" is are hipsters who are looking down on other hipsters. Hipsters invented the term to describe other hipsters they don't think are as cool as they are. Someone saying that "only hipsters laugh" is a perfect illustration, and the only correct reaction is to laugh and say "OK, so I'm a hipster".
Obviously that's not true, since I'm the furthest thing imaginable from a hipster and yet the only thing someone could call me that would offend me more is "nigger" (ask LGS about that one if she ever dares to show her face around here again).
Seriously, I fucking hate hipsters with a blind passion that nearly overwhelms me, and makes it impossible for me to focus on anything other than the fact that some asstard thinks "we're all hipsters".
Then I'd say you have a problem.
Who the fuck cares what a hipster is? We all look like a hipster to somebody.
Yes, I do. But it's one I'm OK with.
No, we don't. Unless that somebody genuinely has absolutely no idea what a hipster is.
And it has nothing to do with stupid clothing or bad taste in music. I find it absolutely unforgivable and repugnant that there's a subculture based around the idea that being genuine is undesirable.
And I'm completely unrepentant about derailing a thread over a minor and mostly irrelevant point when that point is that some turdburglar says "we're all hipsters".
Jesus christ I cannot believe this thread became about the h-word. Dkr. Phox's message of horror was spot on.
We're all hispters now.
No, wait, we're all emo kids. Or are we all anarchists? Environmentalists. We are all Christine O'Donnell. And Time Person of the Year 2006. We are being all that we can be. We believe we can make a difference. We're all in this together. We all live in a Yellow Submarine. We're all going on a summer holiday. We are family, I got all my sisters with me. We are sorry, but no lines are available to take your call at this time. We are the champions, my friends. We are sorry, but Windows has suffered an unidentified problem and has had to close this program.
Quote from: Cain on December 10, 2010, 01:21:57 PM
We're all hispters now.
No, wait, we're all emo kids. Or are we all anarchists? Environmentalists. We are all Christine O'Donnell. And Time Person of the Year 2006. We are being all that we can be. We believe we can make a difference. We're all in this together. We all live in a Yellow Submarine. We're all going on a summer holiday. We are family, I got all my sisters with me. We are sorry, but no lines are available to take your call at this time. We are the champions, my friends. We are sorry, but Windows has suffered an unidentified problem and has had to close this program.
Nice channeling of IOZ there.
It seemed like the only reasonable response.
Quote from: ϗ on December 10, 2010, 01:11:09 PM
Jesus christ I cannot believe this thread became about the h-word. Dkr. Phox's message of horror was spot on.
I can believe it. And thanks, Kai.
And thanks to all the other people who get it.
And thanks ECH, I love nothing more than causing a stir.
Quote from: Cain on December 10, 2010, 01:21:57 PM
We're all hispters now.
No, wait, we're all emo kids. Or are we all anarchists? Environmentalists. We are all Christine O'Donnell. And Time Person of the Year 2006. We are being all that we can be. We believe we can make a difference. We're all in this together. We all live in a Yellow Submarine. We're all going on a summer holiday. We are family, I got all my sisters with me. We are sorry, but no lines are available to take your call at this time. We are the champions, my friends. We are sorry, but Windows has suffered an unidentified problem and has had to close this program.
:lulz:
Quote from: Abraxas on December 10, 2010, 12:14:54 PM
And it has nothing to do with stupid clothing or bad taste in music. I find it absolutely unforgivable and repugnant that there's a subculture based around the idea that being genuine is undesirable.
Where is it written that a hipster, by definition, is not genuine?
I'm pretty sure it's in the first page of every issue of Vice Magazine.
But you know what, nevermind. I still hate hipsters and everything they stand for but it was stupid of me to derail Phox's thread over it. Apologies, Phox. And I DO get your point, and I think you should troll this individual until they either get it or start crying uncontrollably and/or break their own nose.
Quote from: Abraxas on December 10, 2010, 04:58:13 PM
I'm pretty sure it's in the first page of every issue of Vice Magazine.
But you know what, nevermind. I still hate hipsters and everything they stand for but it was stupid of me to derail Phox's thread over it. Apologies, Phox. And I DO get your point, and I think you should troll this individual until they either get it or start crying uncontrollably and/or break their own nose.
And if he does start punching himself in the face, do upload to youtube.
Quote from: Abraxas on December 10, 2010, 12:14:54 PM
And it has nothing to do with stupid clothing or bad taste in music. I find it absolutely unforgivable and repugnant that there's a subculture based around the idea that being genuine is undesirable.
Bullshit. That's some made-up shit right there. Hipsters spend 99% of their time proclaiming how "authentic" they are. How they were into that band before they were cool, etc.
Right?
Hipster is a completely meaningless term. It doesn't mean fuck-all. And yeah, if you walk into any bar in Portland, someone's going to look at you and decide you're a hipster. There's even a hipster category pre-cut-out for you, and all they have to do is glance at you, decide you fit in it, and dismiss you, alll while you're doing the same to them.
:horrormirth:
Got the horrormirth back, Phox.
Quote from: Nigel on December 10, 2010, 06:09:43 PM
Quote from: Abraxas on December 10, 2010, 12:14:54 PM
And it has nothing to do with stupid clothing or bad taste in music. I find it absolutely unforgivable and repugnant that there's a subculture based around the idea that being genuine is undesirable.
Bullshit. That's some made-up shit right there. Hipsters spend 99% of their time proclaiming how "authentic" they are. How they were into that band before they were cool, etc.
Right?
Hipster is a completely meaningless term. It doesn't mean fuck-all. And yeah, if you walk into any bar in Portland, someone's going to look at you and decide you're a hipster. There's even a hipster category pre-cut-out for you, and all they have to do is glance at you, decide you fit in it, and dismiss you, alll while you're doing the same to them.
I'm REALLY trying to let this go.
but..
"Authentic" and "Genuine" are NOT the same thing. Especially when said authenticity is just a pose meant to gain "cred points" in the scene. And if you REALLY think that EVERYONE can be shoehorned into some category of hipster, you're either wilfully devaluing the entire meaning of the term or you really need to broaden your social horizons.
Believe me, even in Portland there are hundreds of thousands of people who are not in any way, shape, or form anything even remotely resembling a hipster.
The title "We're All Hipsters" doesn't have anything to do with the actual point of the post. It's distracting, with the emotions that word elicits on the boards these days. Where once I would roll my eyes at the people the word represented, now I roll my eyes at the word itself. It's so fucking annoying just to hear it anymore, to the point where hating on hipsters, defining hipsters, etc. is just a chore.
Who are we? We're the Friendly People...
Quote from: Cain on December 10, 2010, 01:21:57 PM
We're all hispters now.
No, wait, we're all emo kids. Or are we all anarchists? Environmentalists. We are all Christine O'Donnell. And Time Person of the Year 2006. We are being all that we can be. We believe we can make a difference. We're all in this together. We all live in a Yellow Submarine. We're all going on a summer holiday. We are family, I got all my sisters with me. We are sorry, but no lines are available to take your call at this time. We are the champions, my friends. We are sorry, but Windows has suffered an unidentified problem and has had to close this program.
:lulz:
I'm not a hipster. I'm a Roger.
I'm as square as they come.
And I'm okay with that.
Quote from: Abraxas on December 10, 2010, 06:29:03 PM
Quote from: Nigel on December 10, 2010, 06:09:43 PM
Quote from: Abraxas on December 10, 2010, 12:14:54 PM
And it has nothing to do with stupid clothing or bad taste in music. I find it absolutely unforgivable and repugnant that there's a subculture based around the idea that being genuine is undesirable.
Bullshit. That's some made-up shit right there. Hipsters spend 99% of their time proclaiming how "authentic" they are. How they were into that band before they were cool, etc.
Right?
Hipster is a completely meaningless term. It doesn't mean fuck-all. And yeah, if you walk into any bar in Portland, someone's going to look at you and decide you're a hipster. There's even a hipster category pre-cut-out for you, and all they have to do is glance at you, decide you fit in it, and dismiss you, alll while you're doing the same to them.
I'm REALLY trying to let this go.
but..
"Authentic" and "Genuine" are NOT the same thing. Especially when said authenticity is just a pose meant to gain "cred points" in the scene. And if you REALLY think that EVERYONE can be shoehorned into some category of hipster, you're either wilfully devaluing the entire meaning of the term or you really need to broaden your social horizons.
Believe me, even in Portland there are hundreds of thousands of people who are not in any way, shape, or form anything even remotely resembling a hipster.
I'm not trying to. But people will, and do. And who's to judge who is using "authenticity" to score "cred points"? Are you the arbiter?
If you make it a point to point out how "authentic" you are, you're probably full of shit. real authenticity doesn't feel the need to trumpet itself.
Yeah, but again, who decides what's "trumpeting" and what's just saying as part of the conversation? Somebody rubs you the wrong way, you might say they're "trumpeting" rather than "just saying". So maybe that makes them an asshole. I just think "hipster" is a stupid, meaningless, burned-out term used by (usually young, hip) people to say, essentially "that person is not my kind and therefore it's cool to hate them".
I mean, if your schtick is going to be to hate hipsters, go over the top and be funny. Don't just be another hipster-hating hipster.
It's not a schtick. I really actually hate them.
And honestly, in what world is saying something like "oh, I was into them before they got popular" part of the normal flow of any conversation?
Hipster world, that's what world. That's not something people "just say".
Quote from: Abraxas on December 10, 2010, 08:53:58 PM
It's not a schtick. I really actually hate them.
And honestly, in what world is saying something like "oh, I was into them before they got popular" part of the normal flow of any conversation?
Hipster world, that's what world. That's not something people "just say".
I haven't heard anyone say that in ten years. It's some holdover stereotype. It's something some young kid might say, but I don't hang out with young kids other than my own.
Seriously, you hate "them". A whole category of people with a nebulous and shifting definition that most people disagree on, and those few sources that do agree define them as... well, as me and you and Net and LMNO and almost every other poster on the board.
So who, exactly, is this group of people that you hate indiscriminately? It kind of sounds to me as if you call everyone you hate "hipsters" and make exceptions for the ones you like.
I'm really done with this conversation. I'm pretty sure that you're being intentionally obtuse as a means to get my goat.
I get what Nigel is saying.
I myself overhear people referring to me as a hipster at least once a month, I guess because I sometimes where horned-rim glasses frames. I don't personally wear them because I am trying to impress anyone, or because they are in fashion, I wear them because I have ALWAYS liked horn-rim glasses since I can remember... I was always looking for a pair of frames I liked and finally found exactly what I was looking for. If that makes me a hipster in some people's eyes, fine.
She seems to me to be saying that its possible that some of the people you classify as hipsters might not consider themselves that, and that some people you like might be classified as hipsters by other people... including yourself.
Just because you think you aren't isn't enough these days to be immune to the accusation.
...I see both sides.
And I apologize for starting the poop fling in the first place. I'm the one that picked up what I disagreed with about "what is or isn't a hipster/laughing person"...sorry.
Phox, I do like your end message, if it's what Nigel described it as.
But like ECH, I'm more than meh about the h-words--they're not a buncha people I think I'd be associated with, but if it's as Nigel described, then yeah, fuckit.
Cain's response was appropo as well.
I'm going on the Potter Stewart argument.
"I can't describe it, but I know it when I see it."
When someone is doing something to generate an appearance, rather than because they like it, they're being a pink. Call it hipster, emo, or the guy with the skull on his t-shirt, whatever, it's still pink.
For example, Filthy Assistant has the Harley Davidson logo on everything he fucking owns...Every stitch of clothing, his lunch bucket, everything, just in case you didn't know he rides a fucking Harley. He's a fucking pinkboy. Hoops wears horn-rimmed glasses because he likes it, and ECH has that damned tutu, but it makes him feel good. They're in a state of Slack™.
And anyone who wants to say that "we're ALL hipsters" can do so all they like. It doesn't insult me, it's merely inaccurate, because I - for one - am not defined by what other people think my motivations are for dressing the way I dress, shaving my head, etc.
Or Kill Me.
PS: I was wearing jeans and a black t-shirt WAY before Richter made it cool.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paidika
umm, according to Wiki, Phox has some 'splaining to do.
Quote from: Abraxas on December 10, 2010, 11:52:22 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paidika
umm, according to Wiki, Phox has some 'splaining to do.
Yeah, that's kind of what I was thinking.
Quote from: Abraxas on December 10, 2010, 11:52:22 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paidika
umm, according to Wiki, Phox has some 'splaining to do.
OHFUK
Dude, almost wasted beer.
PHOX YOU GOT SOME FUCKING SPLAINING TO DO!!!!!!
In spite of the fact that I've never really liked Phox much, she definitely contributes here so I'm more than willing to let her explain before I jump down her throat, and I hope everyone else does the same. For all we know she could be misusing the word, or there could be a meaning/context which we're unaware of.
Quote from: East Coast Hipster on December 10, 2010, 11:52:22 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paidika
umm, according to Wiki, Phox has some 'splaining to do.
From Wiktionary.
"While παιδικά is the neuter plural of the adjective παιδικός, it is commonly treated as the masculine singular."
"παιδικός m, παιδική f, παιδικόν n; first/second declension; (paidikos)
1 Belonging to a child
2 having to do with children: childish"
http://open-dictionary.com/Paidika
According to this, it's the greek noun for "Beloved", with the connotation of a submissive sexual partner.
When used as an adjective it refers to "childish, boyish, frivilous".
Not surprised that some pedo journal used it as a moniker, but remember Phox is a language nerd...
Quote from: Telarus on December 11, 2010, 01:37:54 AM
http://open-dictionary.com/Paidika
According to this, it's the greek noun for "Beloved", with the connotation of a submissive sexual partner.
When used as an adjective it refers to "childish, boyish, frivilous".
Not surprised that some pedo journal used it as a moniker, but remember Phox is a language nerd...
Yeah, I just automatically assumed it was classical Greek for girlfriend or something like that.
Quote from: Telarus on December 11, 2010, 01:37:54 AM
http://open-dictionary.com/Paidika
According to this, it's the greek noun for "Beloved", with the connotation of a submissive sexual partner.
When used as an adjective it refers to "childish, boyish, frivilous".
Not surprised that some pedo journal used it as a moniker, but remember Phox is a language nerd...
This one. It also has connotations of a student and and protégé.
While it makes sense there is a pedo magazine with that name (damn that pederasty thing), I was not aware of its existence until today. :oops:
Quote from: Doktor Blight on December 11, 2010, 01:40:04 AM
Quote from: Telarus on December 11, 2010, 01:37:54 AM
http://open-dictionary.com/Paidika
According to this, it's the greek noun for "Beloved", with the connotation of a submissive sexual partner.
When used as an adjective it refers to "childish, boyish, frivilous".
Not surprised that some pedo journal used it as a moniker, but remember Phox is a language nerd...
Yeah, I just automatically assumed it was classical Greek for girlfriend or something like that.
Not quite girlfriend. Also a different girl...
Quote from: East Coast Hipster on December 10, 2010, 04:58:13 PM
Apologies, Phox. And I DO get your point, and I think you should troll this individual until they either get it or start crying uncontrollably and/or break their own nose.
No need to apologize, ECH. And I plan to. :lulz:
Quote from: Jenne on December 10, 2010, 10:09:25 PM
Phox, I do like your end message, if it's what Nigel described it as.
Thanks. It is. And you shouldn't apologize, since I defined neither, nor did I bother to define them after the debate started.. :wink:
Humorous PM incoming
Quote from: East Coast Hipster on December 11, 2010, 12:17:41 AM
In spite of the fact that I've never really liked Phox much, she definitely contributes here so I'm more than willing to let her explain before I jump down her throat, and I hope everyone else does the same. For all we know she could be misusing the word, or there could be a meaning/context which we're unaware of.
For the record, I know you and I don't get along, but I appreciate this sentiment, ECH.
Phox,
Now prepared to go back to trading insults
Quote from: Doktor Phox on December 11, 2010, 06:46:25 AM
Quote from: East Coast Hipster on December 11, 2010, 12:17:41 AM
In spite of the fact that I've never really liked Phox much, she definitely contributes here so I'm more than willing to let her explain before I jump down her throat, and I hope everyone else does the same. For all we know she could be misusing the word, or there could be a meaning/context which we're unaware of.
For the record, I know you and I don't get along, but I appreciate this sentiment, ECH.
Phox,
Now prepared to go back to trading insults
Twid likes this.
Quote from: Doktor Phox on December 11, 2010, 06:46:25 AM
Quote from: East Coast Hipster on December 11, 2010, 12:17:41 AM
In spite of the fact that I've never really liked Phox much, she definitely contributes here so I'm more than willing to let her explain before I jump down her throat, and I hope everyone else does the same. For all we know she could be misusing the word, or there could be a meaning/context which we're unaware of.
For the record, I know you and I don't get along, but I appreciate this sentiment, ECH.
Phox,
Now prepared to go back to trading insults
I don't actually dislike you either, I'm just cautiously pessimistic.
Well, that's a relief.
Says you.
My mental torpedo tubes are all loaded up and now I have no resolution on a target.
Quote from: East Coast Hipster on December 13, 2010, 05:07:50 PM
Says you.
My mental torpedo tubes are all loaded up and now I have no resolution on a target.
So send a vile email to Representative Boehner. That always works for me.
Aww, you'll make him cry.
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on December 13, 2010, 05:20:45 PM
Aww, you'll make him cry.
He cries anyfuckingway.
I have about 10 good pics of Boehner blubbering, all ready to shoop when my interbutts come on at the house.
Apparently he gave an epic blubber-fest on 60 Minutes last night.
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on December 13, 2010, 05:36:01 PM
Apparently he gave an epic blubber-fest on 60 Minutes last night.
He's trying to out-do Glenn Beck, I'm thinking. He cries at the drop of a fucking hat.
Prediction: He will be the Ernst Roehm of the Teabagger movement. Hello, night of the long knives, come soon.
Is Boehner as flamingly gay as Roehm?
Because oh my god the joke potential in his name...
Quote from: Cain on December 13, 2010, 10:28:09 PM
Is Boehner as flamingly gay as Roehm?
Because oh my god the joke potential in his name...
He's a morally upright republican.
Of course he's Gay.
What do the teabaggers and gays have in common?
A Boehner
LOL
*cough*fnord*cough*