Something very close actually happened:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dom_Pedro_II
I can't find a single thing wrong with this guy.
I don't have time to read that at the moment ("Vagina waits for no man!" - Carrie Nation) - but it looks EPIC. Can't believe I've never heard of this guy! I have my evening reading all set up now, thanks Roger.
Quote from: Hoopla on December 21, 2010, 07:12:23 PM
I don't have time to read that at the moment ("Vagina waits for no man!" - Carrie Nation) - but it looks EPIC. Can't believe I've never heard of this guy! I have my evening reading all set up now, thanks Roger.
No problem.
There's nothing like an honest man that doesn't want to rule, as far as government goes.
Quote from: Douglas Adams
The major problem — one of the major problems, for there are several — one of the many major problems with governing people is that of whom you get to do it; or rather of who manages to get people to let them do it to them.
To summarize: it is a well known fact that those people who most want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it. To summarize the summary: anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job. To summarize the summary of the summary: people are a problem.
Quote from: PopeTom on December 21, 2010, 07:33:42 PM
Quote from: Douglas Adams
The major problem — one of the major problems, for there are several — one of the many major problems with governing people is that of whom you get to do it; or rather of who manages to get people to let them do it to them.
To summarize: it is a well known fact that those people who most want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it. To summarize the summary: anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job. To summarize the summary of the summary: people are a problem.
He got stuck with the job at age 5. He wanted to be a scientist.
:mittens:
This man is my hero.
I LIKE him! Wish there were more people like him over all, really.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 21, 2010, 07:34:20 PM
Quote from: PopeTom on December 21, 2010, 07:33:42 PM
Quote from: Douglas Adams
The major problem — one of the major problems, for there are several — one of the many major problems with governing people is that of whom you get to do it; or rather of who manages to get people to let them do it to them.
To summarize: it is a well known fact that those people who most want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it. To summarize the summary: anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job. To summarize the summary of the summary: people are a problem.
He got stuck with the job at age 5. He wanted to be a scientist.
That might be a good strategy; Find some kid who just wants to mind his own business, then force them into monarchy.
Quote from: Sigmatic on December 21, 2010, 08:50:28 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 21, 2010, 07:34:20 PM
Quote from: PopeTom on December 21, 2010, 07:33:42 PM
Quote from: Douglas Adams
The major problem — one of the major problems, for there are several — one of the many major problems with governing people is that of whom you get to do it; or rather of who manages to get people to let them do it to them.
To summarize: it is a well known fact that those people who most want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it. To summarize the summary: anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job. To summarize the summary of the summary: people are a problem.
He got stuck with the job at age 5. He wanted to be a scientist.
That might be a good strategy; Find some kid who just wants to mind his own business, then force them into monarchy.
Might wind up with someone like me.
Quote from: Sigmatic on December 21, 2010, 08:50:28 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 21, 2010, 07:34:20 PM
Quote from: PopeTom on December 21, 2010, 07:33:42 PM
Quote from: Douglas Adams
The major problem — one of the major problems, for there are several — one of the many major problems with governing people is that of whom you get to do it; or rather of who manages to get people to let them do it to them.
To summarize: it is a well known fact that those people who most want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it. To summarize the summary: anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job. To summarize the summary of the summary: people are a problem.
This seems to be a hit or miss strategy- that's also how Rome ended up with Nero.
He got stuck with the job at age 5. He wanted to be a scientist.
That might be a good strategy; Find some kid who just wants to mind his own business, then force them into monarchy.
Quote from: Vartox on December 21, 2010, 08:56:58 PM
This seems to be a hit or miss strategy- that's also how Rome ended up with Nero.
Claudius. Nero killed Britanicus for the job.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 21, 2010, 08:53:30 PM
Quote from: Sigmatic on December 21, 2010, 08:50:28 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 21, 2010, 07:34:20 PM
Quote from: PopeTom on December 21, 2010, 07:33:42 PM
Quote from: Douglas Adams
The major problem — one of the major problems, for there are several — one of the many major problems with governing people is that of whom you get to do it; or rather of who manages to get people to let them do it to them.
To summarize: it is a well known fact that those people who most want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it. To summarize the summary: anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job. To summarize the summary of the summary: people are a problem.
He got stuck with the job at age 5. He wanted to be a scientist.
That might be a good strategy; Find some kid who just wants to mind his own business, then force them into monarchy.
Might wind up with someone like me.
:lulz: I am okay with this.
Quote from: Sigmatic on December 21, 2010, 09:04:39 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 21, 2010, 08:53:30 PM
Quote from: Sigmatic on December 21, 2010, 08:50:28 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 21, 2010, 07:34:20 PM
Quote from: PopeTom on December 21, 2010, 07:33:42 PM
Quote from: Douglas Adams
The major problem — one of the major problems, for there are several — one of the many major problems with governing people is that of whom you get to do it; or rather of who manages to get people to let them do it to them.
To summarize: it is a well known fact that those people who most want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it. To summarize the summary: anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job. To summarize the summary of the summary: people are a problem.
He got stuck with the job at age 5. He wanted to be a scientist.
That might be a good strategy; Find some kid who just wants to mind his own business, then force them into monarchy.
Might wind up with someone like me.
:lulz: I am okay with this.
WHERE IS YOUR GOD NOW, AMERICA?
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 21, 2010, 08:59:04 PM
Quote from: Vartox on December 21, 2010, 08:56:58 PM
This seems to be a hit or miss strategy- that's also how Rome ended up with Nero.
Claudius. Nero killed Britanicus for the job.
Nero killed him after he already had the job, though. I thought he was mostly trust into the position of emperor because his mother thought she could manipulate him. Claudius was not a child at his ascension, and succeeded his own nephew (over 20 years his junior) to the throne.
Quote from: Vartox on December 21, 2010, 09:06:46 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 21, 2010, 08:59:04 PM
Quote from: Vartox on December 21, 2010, 08:56:58 PM
This seems to be a hit or miss strategy- that's also how Rome ended up with Nero.
Claudius. Nero killed Britanicus for the job.
Nero killed him after he already had the job, though. I thought he was mostly trust into the position of emperor because his mother thought she could manipulate him. Claudius was not a child at his ascension, and succeeded his own nephew (over 20 years his junior) to the throne.
Um, wat? What does that have to do with his willingness to be emperor?
Also, Nero was groomed for the throne by Claudius, and murdered Britanicus to maintain his grip on the throne. I fail to see how this means "he didn't want the job".
QuoteHowever, after the deaths of Caligula's wife and daughter, it became apparent that Cassius intended to go beyond the terms of the conspiracy and wipe out the imperial family. In the chaos following the murder, Claudius witnessed the German guard cut down several uninvolved noblemen, including many of his friends. He fled to the palace to hide. According to tradition, a Praetorian named Gratus found him hiding behind a curtain and suddenly declared him princeps.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claudius
Just saying.
Looking into it more, I will concede the point about Nero, but Claudius doesn't seem to have been entirely unwilling, if only because he wanted to get the throne out of Caligula's hands. He did pardon Caligula's assassins, and change his name to legitimize his role as emperor. Though my refutation of Claudius was actually based on the line
QuoteThat might be a good strategy; Find some kid who just wants to mind his own business, then force them into monarchy.
He may have been the Gerald Ford of Roman Emperors, but he was certainly not a kid.
I'll just point out that Claudius' last address to the Roman Senate admonished Britannicus to grow up fast (read, so that Nero would not be Emperor).
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 21, 2010, 07:04:14 PM
Something very close actually happened:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dom_Pedro_II
I can't find a single thing wrong with this guy.
That dude was fucking awesome. We need one of him.
I am actually starting to see some value in monarchy over democracy.
Quote from: Nigel on December 22, 2010, 10:24:34 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 21, 2010, 07:04:14 PM
Something very close actually happened:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dom_Pedro_II
I can't find a single thing wrong with this guy.
That dude was fucking awesome. We need one of him.
I am actually starting to see some value in monarchy over democracy.
We have no king but Elvis, baby.
Claudius was fucked in the head anyway. He was one of his uncle's minnows, after all.
QuoteHis name in full was Pedro de Alcântara João Carlos Leopoldo Salvador Bibiano Francisco Xavier de Paula Leocádio Miguel Gabriel Rafael Gonzaga
lol GREAT find Roger!
With a name like this how could he NOT end up being Emperor?
Quote from: Suu on December 22, 2010, 02:22:08 PM
Claudius was fucked in the head anyway. He was one of his uncle's minnows, after all.
Ugh, minnows....
:vom:
Yeah.
Imperial Rome was awesome.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 21, 2010, 07:04:14 PM
Something very close actually happened:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dom_Pedro_II
I can't find a single thing wrong with this guy.
I can't think of a better example of Ruling done properly. And I'd never heard of him until half an hour ago. I don't think I'm being too easily convinced either. The Bloke was a natural. A rare thing, these days, to see a Ruler, who knows the Art of Statecraft so well. (Or a Statesman, who knows how to Rule properly)
http://imdb.com/title/tt0118736/