Surprised? In my case, not about the drugs, but definitely about the human organs. Especially since they were not donated willingly.
http://assembly.coe.int/CommitteeDocs/2010/20101218_ajdoc462010provamended.pdf
Former KLA leader and current PM Hashim Thaçi is the head of a mafia-like group which emanates from the inner ranks of the Kosovo Libertation Army (connected to both the CIA and Islamist terrorism in South East Europe) and has support from major political backers in the country.
Dick Marty is a name some of you may recognize, he is the Swiss national chosen to investigate the CIA rendition flights in Europe. He is a very credible investigator, and his involvement in this case only lends weight to the evidence already obtained.
Serbs and Roma were captured, kept hidden from NATO troops, sent across the border to Albania and then sorted on the basis of sex, age, ethnicity and health. Some of the captives were sold by the KLA to the highest bidder. Once the transplant surgeons were confirmed to be in place, the KLA would drag the victim out, execute them with a shot to the head, and transport the corpse to the operating clinic.
Auctions were frequent, and this international network still exists and is currently in operation.
After Kosovo de facto broke away from Serbia in 1999, the trade only got worse, with traffickers setting up as legitimate businesses, luring travellers from both Eastern and Western Europe into their clinics with incredibly high prices (£76,400 for a kidney, for example). Those who escaped alive are the lucky ones.
The main players in this grisly trade appear to be, aside from the PM
- Moshe Harel, an Israeli said to have matched donors with recipients
- Yusuf Sonmez, possibly the world's most renowned organ trafficker
- The Medicus clinic just six miles away from Pristina, supposedly founded by university hospital urologist Dr Lutfi Dervishi, and a former permanent secretary of health.
- Shaip Muja, a former KLA "medical commander" who was based in Albania and currently serves as "a political adviser in the office of the prime minister, with responsibility for health".
International investigations have been shut down before by the Prime Minister and his close allies.
Additional links
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/14/kosovo-prime-minister-llike-mafia-boss
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7990984.stm
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/16/world/europe/16kosovo.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/14/illegal-organ-removals-charges-kosovo
Quote from: Cain on December 22, 2010, 06:39:11 AM
Serbs and Roma were captured, kept hidden from NATO troops, sent across the border to Albania and then sorted on the basis of sex, age, ethnicity and health. Some of the captives were sold by the KLA to the highest bidder. Once the transplant surgeons were confirmed to be in place, the KLA would drag the victim out, execute them with a shot to the head, and transport the corpse to the operating clinic.
Holy shit.
Oh oh oh! You know the very best part?
Most of the "nationalistic" leaders of the wars which led to the breakup of Yugoslavia in the first place aren't really nationalists at all. Most of the major factions are very chummy behind the scenes.
Quote from: Misha GlennyMost shocking of all, however, is how the gangsters and politicians fueling war between their peoples were in private cooperating as friends and close business partners. The Croat, Bosnian, Albanian, Macedonian, and Serb moneymen and mobsters were truly thick as thieves. They bought, sold, and exchanged all manner of commodities, knowing that the high levels of personal trust between them were much stronger than the transitory bonds of hysterical nationalism. They fomented this ideology among ordinary folk in essence to mask their own venality. As one commentator described it, the new republics were ruled by "a parastate Cartel which had emerged from political institutions, the ruling Communist Party and its satellites, the military, a variety of police forces, the Mafia, court intellectuals and with the president of the Republic at the center of the spider web...Tribal nationalism was indispensable for the cartel as a means to pacify its subordinates and as a cover for the uninterrupted privatization of the state apparatus.
So it wasn't even as if the KLA viewed the Serbs and Roma as untermenschen to be exterminated. This was
all about the profit.
This makes me ill.
Fuck.
:x
Hey kids, which three letter agencies with dodgy backgrounds and even more dodgy personnel were best buddies with the KLA and their band of merry thugs in the 1990s, when they were causing havoc and stress to a longstanding Russian ally in the Balkans?
I doubt very much the CIA, BND or MI6 were unaware of the kind of people they were doing business with.
Quote from: Cain on December 22, 2010, 06:20:34 PM
Hey kids, which three letter agencies with dodgy backgrounds and even more dodgy personnel were best buddies with the KLA and their band of merry thugs in the 1990s, when they were causing havoc and stress to a longstanding Russian ally in the Balkans?
I doubt very much the CIA, BND or MI6 were unaware of the kind of people they were doing business with.
Not that this is all that surprising... but. Motherfuck. :x
Oh yeah, we've got some great friends down that way. Like Alija Izetbegović, President of Bosnia, who helped orchestrate false-flag bombings against his own people, attributed to Serbs, so the Western media would report more sympathetically on his own government.
Or all those crazy Croat death-squad leaders who used Ustashe-era symbology and propaganda.
Great friends. Not really the sort of people you'd invite to a party though. Unless you wanted the dog shot and the party guests strangled with their own entrails.
Kind of makes Radovan look a little saintlier. Ok, not really, but damn!
Quote from: Cain on December 22, 2010, 07:51:46 PM
Oh yeah, we've got some great friends down that way. Like Alija Izetbegović, President of Bosnia, who helped orchestrate false-flag bombings against his own people, attributed to Serbs, so the Western media would report more sympathetically on his own government.
Or all those crazy Croat death-squad leaders who used Ustashe-era symbology and propaganda.
Great friends. Not really the sort of people you'd invite to a party though. Unless you wanted the dog shot and the party guests strangled with their own entrails.
The atrocities that have piled up on these particular plates is astonishing and sickening, even for those who are very very jaded. That high horse the West was riding about tyranny and backyard atrocities that other nations turn a blind eye to?
Yeah, that horse is dead. Shouldn't be around walking amongst the living for some time.
Holy crap. The people closely involved in this must be complete psychopaths. I mean, of course it's technically the same to order bombings regardless of civilian collateral or whatever, but I can sort of explain that by (twisted) military training to follow orders and being somewhat (twistedly) removed from the victims, but murdering people for their organs is a whole different ballgame (even though the outcome--innocent dead people--is the same).
Quote from: Cain on December 22, 2010, 06:39:11 AM
After Kosovo de facto broke away from Serbia in 1999, the trade only got worse, with traffickers setting up as legitimate businesses, luring travellers from both Eastern and Western Europe into their clinics with incredibly high prices (£76,400 for a kidney, for example). Those who escaped alive are the lucky ones.
Wait you mean that people came there for a transplant, they probably faked the operation went bad, and the
patients got harvested for (presumably other) organs??
That likely happened, yes.
Quote from: Triple Zero on December 23, 2010, 10:07:00 PM
Holy crap. The people closely involved in this must be complete psychopaths. I mean, of course it's technically the same to order bombings regardless of civilian collateral or whatever, but I can sort of explain that by (twisted) military training to follow orders and being somewhat (twistedly) removed from the victims, but murdering people for their organs is a whole different ballgame (even though the outcome--innocent dead people--is the same).
Quote from: Cain on December 22, 2010, 06:39:11 AM
After Kosovo de facto broke away from Serbia in 1999, the trade only got worse, with traffickers setting up as legitimate businesses, luring travellers from both Eastern and Western Europe into their clinics with incredibly high prices (£76,400 for a kidney, for example). Those who escaped alive are the lucky ones.
Wait you mean that people came there for a transplant, they probably faked the operation went bad, and the patients got harvested for (presumably other) organs??
All of this is fucked up, but that last part is kind of awesome, in it's fucked up way.
People came in to get an organ that had been harvested from someone transplanted into them, and instead their own organs got harvested. Pretending for a moment that they knew the organs were black market that has poetic justice quality to it.
Unfortunately they probably had no idea in most cases.
I'd guess many of them did, but really needed whatever organ it was.
The explant victim is already screwed over, and if they survived they sure aren't getting their kidney back. But my daughter is dying right now and the wait list is to long...
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on December 24, 2010, 05:03:35 AM
All of this is fucked up, but that last part is kind of awesome, in it's fucked up way.
People came in to get an organ that had been harvested from someone transplanted into them, and instead their own organs got harvested. Pretending for a moment that they knew the organs were black market that has poetic justice quality to it.
Unfortunately they probably had no idea in most cases.
No.
They advertised the clinics as legitimate businesses in foreign countries.
Sellers came to Kosovo thinking they were dealing with legitimate businesses, looking to sell their organs in order to raise cash for whatever reason.
The sellers were then killed, or at the very least not paid, while having their organs taken.
While buyers may have also been targeted, there is no information to say one way or another whether they were. Usually I would suspect the kind of people who knew who to go to in order to get black market organs, and could pay the price, are the kind of people who make arrangements in the event that they should die in unusual circumstances.
Quote from: Golden Applesauce on December 24, 2010, 05:14:53 AM
I'd guess many of them did, but really needed whatever organ it was.
The explant victim is already screwed over, and if they survived they sure aren't getting their kidney back. But my daughter is dying right now and the wait list is to long...
Indeed. These are exactly the kind of people the Drenica Group would be willing to screw, as if something does go wrong...what are they going to do?
How long could your body be using a failed liver before you just suddenly fall over?
Quote from: Able on December 24, 2010, 08:14:41 PM
How long could your body be using a failed liver before you just suddenly fall over?
A day or two I think. Not very long. Do you wan't to buy one?
I suspect this tells us more about how governments really operate than it tells us about the black market for human organs.
Quote from: BadBeast on December 25, 2010, 01:20:06 AM
Quote from: Able on December 24, 2010, 08:14:41 PM
How long could your body be using a failed liver before you just suddenly fall over?
A day or two I think. Not very long. Do you wan't to buy one?
Was thinking more mechanic selling a faultly part
then needing one myself... Besides I rather goto China
Quote from: Nigel on December 25, 2010, 01:47:22 AM
I suspect this tells us more about how governments really operate than it tells us about the black market for human organs.
Yeah, of course. You can't tell me that every Government doesn't have someone at top level who didn't know this shit was going on, or didn't have their own agent or fixer who could arrange quick, no question's asked transplants for cash. Brazil also has a bit of a reputation for this stuff too. But then, Both Brazil, and Kosovo have the required raw materials, of a quality that is marketable. Transient populations of people that no-one will miss, and a Government that has a Lassez faire attitude toward actual Governing. So Kosovo has the right Socio-economic climate for Organ Harvesting. So that will be the service it carries out for other Governments.
Switzerland has the ideal Socio-economic climate for sitting very quietly on huge sums of money for however long,
without asking too many questions. So if someone in Italy, or Finland has a large lump of cash they can't have knocking about in their own Country, because it's stolen, or Taxable, or "sleeping", Switzerland will look after it.
If, for instance your Swiss money was 4 times over-invested in your own Country, now you have to show some buoyancy to the investors, or it will cause a run on stock that will show you up for the cheating, fraudulent swindler that you really are. You need to invest what you have, in a blue chip stock, that will guarantee you a short term Tax free return of 3000%. Well, there aren't any International Stock Markets where you can just turn up and get that sort of business. Or is there? Someone must know someone, who knows someone else . . . . . So you look around, and you find someone who will give you that return. There will be no contracts signed, or plans submitted, no paper trail, everything will be arranged by word of mouth. And your money would go to somewhere, . . . like Afghanistan. Where it will buy you a shipment of top quality Brown Heroin. Which will yield the kind of return you need to keep your stock nice and buoyant, and your investors happy with your Brokering of their oversold stock. The reason Afghanistan can grow Poppy as their main export, is that the crop keeps them rich enough to carry on business as usual, no matter who the Coalition Forces have nominally set up to govern in Kabul. They just get on with the business in hand. They don't have to leave their Mountain homes, not when the West side of the Mountain is in Turkey, the East side in Afghanistan, the South slopes off to Pakistan, all of whom have vested interests in your product, and have established routes to the lucrative Markets of Western Europe. So you slope off back to Switzerland with your big sacks of cash, and refill your Secret Accounts. But the stress of all this hopping about has taken it's toll. You've been drinking like a complete Motherfucker, and your Liver is just about borked. So you arrange a meet with your Organ Harvesting Ex-Serbian Warlord friend, and arrange a nice quick Liver Transplant, for next Wednesday. They have a 15 year old Gypsy in their Detention Camp / Clinic, who is a match for you. So he gets harvested on the Tuesday night, you get refitted on Wednesday, back to business as usual the following Monday. Everyone is happy. Except, of course the Gypsy. Who will be dead. But who gives a fuck about a dead Gypsy? Especially when no-one gives a fuck about live Gypsys. This is what I mean by Kosovo's uniquely situated wealth of raw materials. The Gypsys get moved on from every other Country around. Until they get to the Balkans. Where they are rendered down to provide spares for corrupt Western Businessmen and Politicians.
And all this covertly sanctioned by our Elected Representatives, and Company CEO's. Subsidised by our Government's Aid programs, paid for by our Taxes, protected by our Secret Services, kept from us by our bought off and Tame News Agencies, and everything is kept sweet by having no-one to blame, or carry the can when it all goes tits up. But Julian Assange's leaky little Wiki dikki, is threatening to make it all go tits up at the same time. But everyone has their price, and the Game is very big business. So nothing much is going to change in the near future. Just that we will get to hear about worse and worse abuses of Power and privilige, which will make us feel more impotent in the face of the beast. And so it goes on. . . . .
ETA,
Merry fucking Christmas, you Spagganoonys, Lang may yer Breeks, reek!
http://www.monstersandcritics.com/news/europe/news/article_1607171.php/EU-launches-anti-human-trafficking-initiative-avoids-Kosovo-row
This is how Europe is just AVOIDING what they know to be their own back alley ghetto, and how they've avoided it for YEARS, DECADES. Women are kidnapped in alarming numbers and sold into prostitutional slavery in that area of the world, and they are lost to all humanity. The fact that it's so fucking corrupt that the police and the mob are in it together comes as NO surprise to ANYONE.
That, right THERE is the heart of the problem. But the avoidance in dealing with it is shameful in the extreme. It's tantamount to finding out that San Diego college kids who party in TJ are sold into slavery with the nod and wink of the border agents. Could you imagine the uproar? But no one gives a flying FUCK about the Balkans, right?
Fucking ridiculous.
Why should I care about the Balkans?
Uh, because what happens there is, by and large, endorsed by political leaders in America and Europe and if they're willing to let psychos run around and cut peoples organs out and then sell them, just think what else they might allow.
Oh, but it's not happening to you, right, so it must not be important? Yeah?
Quote from: Cain on December 27, 2010, 08:36:43 PM
Uh, because what happens there is, by and large, endorsed by political leaders in America and Europe and if they're willing to let psychos run around and cut peoples organs out and then sell them, just think what else they might allow.
Oh, but it's not happening to you, right, so it must not be important? Yeah?
In Charlie's defense, was there ever a time where they WEREN'T whacking peoples' organs out in the Balkans?
Quote from: Cain on December 27, 2010, 08:36:43 PM
Uh, because what happens there is, by and large, endorsed by political leaders in America and Europe and if they're willing to let psychos run around and cut peoples organs out and then sell them, just think what else they might allow.
Oh, but it's not happening to you, right, so it must not be important? Yeah?
Or it was sarcasm. Besides, on the serious side Glass House/Stones.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 27, 2010, 08:37:41 PM
Quote from: Cain on December 27, 2010, 08:36:43 PM
Uh, because what happens there is, by and large, endorsed by political leaders in America and Europe and if they're willing to let psychos run around and cut peoples organs out and then sell them, just think what else they might allow.
Oh, but it's not happening to you, right, so it must not be important? Yeah?
In Charlie's defense, was there ever a time where they WEREN'T whacking peoples' organs out in the Balkans?
Under Tito, after the war, there was considerable stability and political-economic progress.
The region also was fairly stable under the Austro-Hungarian empire, although to be fair it was stable in
opposition to the monarchy and for Pan-Yugoslavianism. Which may have occasionally involved throwing grenades at German-sounding people with royal titles. And caused a World War. Partially.