Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano on Friday canceled the controversial virtual fence along the U.S. border with Mexico, citing technical problems, cost overruns and schedule delays since its inception in 2005. The Secure Border Initiative-network, a high-tech surveillance system to reduce border smuggling, so far has cost taxpayers almost $1 billion for two regions in Arizona, covering just 53 miles overall on the 2,000-mile border, according to a homeland security report.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/01/14/bor...ex.html?hpt=T2
Go ahead, argue with my logic.
BUT AT THE COST OF WHAT CHARLEY? AT THE COST OF WHAT?
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OK, I can argue this:
BY USING TAXPAYERS MONEYS TO FUND THIS PROJECT YOU ARE ENGAGING IN SOCIALISM AND WILL HAVE TO RESORT TO SATANIC "TAX RISES" TO CARRY OUT THIS PROJECT, WHICH WILL BANKRUPT HARD WORKING AMERICAN BUSINESSMEN AND WOMEN, DESTROYING JOBS.
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A more convincing example of this argument could be made, but this one was funnier.
Quote from: Cain on January 15, 2011, 09:15:25 PM
OK, I can argue this:
BY USING TAXPAYERS MONEYS TO FUND THIS PROJECT YOU ARE ENGAGING IN SOCIALISM AND WILL HAVE TO RESORT TO SATANIC "TAX RISES" TO CARRY OUT THIS PROJECT, WHICH WILL BANKRUPT HARD WORKING AMERICAN BUSINESSMEN AND WOMEN, DESTROYING JOBS.
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A more convincing example of this argument could be made, but this one was funnier.
:lulz:
Yeah, if I really wanted to argue against this I'd say that the reason jobs are being created is that the government's making an effort to keep the immigrants out, but I don't particularly want to and it's amusing nonetheless.
Quote from: Charley Brown on January 15, 2011, 04:26:55 PM
Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano on Friday canceled the controversial virtual fence along the U.S. border with Mexico, citing technical problems, cost overruns and schedule delays since its inception in 2005. The Secure Border Initiative-network, a high-tech surveillance system to reduce border smuggling, so far has cost taxpayers almost $1 billion for two regions in Arizona, covering just 53 miles overall on the 2,000-mile border, according to a homeland security report.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/01/14/bor...ex.html?hpt=T2
Go ahead, argue with my logic.
WHAT'S
your logic? i'll argue with it.
Epic yuck at the term 'Illegals'. It's an adjective, not a person.
Quote from: Placid Dingo on January 16, 2011, 05:59:32 AM
Epic yuck at the term 'Illegals'. It's an adjective, not a person.
I committed no less than 3 illegals by logging on to Facebook today. I do not see how this concept is foreign to you. "illegal" is totally a noun.
Quote from: Doktor Phox on January 16, 2011, 06:03:04 AM
Quote from: Placid Dingo on January 16, 2011, 05:59:32 AM
Epic yuck at the term 'Illegals'. It's an adjective, not a person.
I committed no less than 3 illegals by logging on to Facebook today. I do not see how this concept is foreign to you. "illegal" is totally a noun.
What is an illegals?
Quote from: Nigel on January 16, 2011, 08:02:03 PM
Quote from: Doktor Phox on January 16, 2011, 06:03:04 AM
Quote from: Placid Dingo on January 16, 2011, 05:59:32 AM
Epic yuck at the term 'Illegals'. It's an adjective, not a person.
I committed no less than 3 illegals by logging on to Facebook today. I do not see how this concept is foreign to you. "illegal" is totally a noun.
What is an illegals?
Evidently joke fail. Sorry. :lulz:
My idealist side says there shouldn't even BE artificial borders that prevent free movement of people. Nationalism is one of the most destructive human creations IMHO.
That being said, accepting the reality that exists, until I see some reciprocation from the Mexican government, I find it hard to have sympathy on this subject. For all their talk, members of their own military murder illegals citizens in their own country traveling from south to north.
Hell, their own indigenous people, the descendants of the Mayan culture, are thought of the way blacks were here 40 years ago. I've seen and heard it.
If I go down to Mexico and get a job without jumping through all of the hoops they put you through, and get caught by Mexico's INM, my ass gets deported and there's no cry of derision or anyone stepping in to speak for me or the fact that I have a son that lives there.
It's fucking one sided and that's something no one ever thinks or talks about. I want to live and work down there to be with my kid, but the system favors their own citizens over any extrañeros. If the job can be done by a Mexican citizen, they wont hire a foreign national.
That just makes me work harder to get a degree in mechanical and electrical design for large systems, where hopefully I can find work with a company from here that WILL eventually move their manufacturing factories to Mexico.
It's little consolation to my son or myself at the moment though.
Indigenous people are treated worse than blacks 40 years ago...
As far as illegally working on a foreign country, thats the standard treatment one gets worldwide...
A significant proportion of my teachers in my highschool (private) were foreigners, so maybe thats an option?
Quote from: Joh'Nyx on January 16, 2011, 10:30:13 PM
Indigenous people are treated worse than blacks 40 years ago...
As far as illegally working on a foreign country, thats the standard treatment one gets worldwide...
A significant proportion of my teachers in my highschool (private) were foreigners, so maybe thats an option?
I've considered it. teaching software or sucking it up and learning a programming language. It's a more difficult move than I ever thought it would be, but I'm not discounting any possibility. Just trying to build up a cushion in case things don't quite work out for the first year or so.
Well you see the Mexican wall was too costly
So the job has been outsourced futher south
I got into an argument with one of my Hispanic neighbors today about shoveling and de-icing. They verbally attacked me en Espanol so I retorted with my finest knowledge of the language.
...Then they shut up. :?
Instead of constructing your own Great Wall of China.. did you guys ever think of just... suing the companies that hire illegals? I pretty sure what their doing is illegal.
Quote from: Thurnez Isa on January 24, 2011, 02:47:57 PM
Instead of constructing your own Great Wall of China.. did you guys ever think of just... suing the companies that hire illegals? I pretty sure what their doing is illegal.
But suing companies for using the resources available to them at obscenely exploitive low cost goes against every tenet of American capitalism.
Quote from: Thurnez Isa on January 24, 2011, 02:47:57 PM
Instead of constructing your own Great Wall of China.. did you guys ever think of just... suing the companies that hire illegals? I pretty sure what their doing is illegal.
But then they may stop making contributions to the political party and President who went ahead with that! Priorities, man.
Quote from: Cain on January 24, 2011, 02:52:24 PM
Quote from: Thurnez Isa on January 24, 2011, 02:47:57 PM
Instead of constructing your own Great Wall of China.. did you guys ever think of just... suing the companies that hire illegals? I pretty sure what their doing is illegal.
But then they may stop making contributions to the political party and President who went ahead with that! Priorities, man.
Yes, and if we start cracking down on immoral legal technicalities - what will become of us? :eek:
We didnt built this city on
rock & roll, but rather on lawyers!
Quote from: Joh'Nyx on January 24, 2011, 08:17:31 PM
Quote from: Cain on January 24, 2011, 02:52:24 PM
Quote from: Thurnez Isa on January 24, 2011, 02:47:57 PM
Instead of constructing your own Great Wall of China.. did you guys ever think of just... suing the companies that hire illegals? I pretty sure what their doing is illegal.
But then they may stop making contributions to the political party and President who went ahead with that! Priorities, man.
Yes, and if we start cracking down on immoral legal technicalities - what will become of us? :eek:
We didnt built this city on rock & roll, but rather on lawyers!
No, we built it on bones. Lawyers only became necessary later, to handle some bone donors who ungratefully decided that they didn't like the deal.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 24, 2011, 08:20:37 PM
Quote from: Joh'Nyx on January 24, 2011, 08:17:31 PM
Quote from: Cain on January 24, 2011, 02:52:24 PM
Quote from: Thurnez Isa on January 24, 2011, 02:47:57 PM
Instead of constructing your own Great Wall of China.. did you guys ever think of just... suing the companies that hire illegals? I pretty sure what their doing is illegal.
But then they may stop making contributions to the political party and President who went ahead with that! Priorities, man.
Yes, and if we start cracking down on immoral legal technicalities - what will become of us? :eek:
We didnt built this city on rock & roll, but rather on lawyers!
No, we built it on bones. Lawyers only became necessary later, to handle some bone donors who ungratefully decided that they didn't like the deal.
:lulz: